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Australia Air Travelers' Laptops To Be Searched For Porn

bluetoad writes "Australian customs officers have been given the power to search incoming travelers' laptops and mobile phones for porn. Passengers must declare whether they are carrying pornography on their Incoming Passenger Card. The Australian government is also planning to implement an Internet filter. Once these powers are in places, who knows how they will be used."

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  1. So... by epiphani · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So they can search for porn. What can they do if they find it? Is porn illegal in Australia now?

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    1. Re:So... by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Funny

      Who knows, but if you thought the lines were long now... On most geek laptops, this could take a while.

    2. Re:So... by Spazztastic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is porn illegal in Australia now?

      Nope. FTFA:

      Patten said if the question was designed to stop child pornography being smuggled into the country then the question should have been asked about "child pornography", without encompassing regular porn.

      Because you totally need to bring a hard drive into the country to bring along CP, you can't use those newfangled technologies like encrypted network connections and proxies to get around it.

      What a giant circle jerk of pretending they are helping the victims.

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    3. Re:So... by PincushionMan · · Score: 1

      What can they do if they find it?

      I dunno. Download it? Maybe they want to make sure your porn is on the up-and-up?

      So... Do you have to wait while they view it all? Some people in the SEC may have to wait there for a few months.

    4. Re:So... by Spazztastic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What can they do if they find it?

      I dunno. Download it? Maybe they want to make sure your porn is on the up-and-up?

      Maybe the guy who pushed this rule is actually addicted to porn and wants to create a giant archive of it all, print it out and then roll around in the pages. Who knows? Often these people who are so hellbent on getting rid of "offensive things" turn out to be even more deviant than the ones they are attacking.

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    5. Re:So... by Spazztastic · · Score: 1, Funny

      Who knows, but if you thought the lines were long now... On most geek laptops, this could take a while.

      No, they're just going to have a third booth for you to go to at customs. One for something to declare, one for nothing to declare, and a third for Pornography. The third one will have a line out to the tarmac.

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    6. Re:So... by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What a giant circle jerk of pretending they are helping the victims.

      Now how can you say that? They are ASKING you if you have porn on your computer. Surely no self respecting kiddie porn pervert would disgrace himself by LYING, would he?

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    7. Re:So... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Maybe the guy who pushed this rule is actually addicted to porn and wants to create a giant archive of it all

      We already have a giant archive of porn. It's called the internet ;)

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    8. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even with hard disk you can bring CP:

      Method1: encrypt the data, delete the encrypted files, drive looks empty. Then just any undelete tool to recover the data.
      Method2: encrypt the data, put in a AVI/WMV header, pretend it is a DRM expired video file ...

    9. Re:So... by deniable · · Score: 1

      It's hard to get in most states. You usually need to go to Canberra, the nation's capital, to get the hard stuff, but this may have changed. Given that customs are federal, I see a demarcation dispute here. Technically, interstate travellers should be checked as well. Maybe we should train the fruit beagles to sniff for porn too.

    10. Re:So... by dncsky1530 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is only the latest in a string of censorship proposals that the government claims are targeted towards protecting people from child pornography.

      As the article says, if child porn is the issue then why not just limit it to that? The same question has been asked about the proposed internet filter, which the government also claims is for protecting people from child porn but has been extended to cover all refused classification material.

      Just as filtering the internet as has been proposed isn't really feasible (at least with little impact on speed), I highly doubt customs agents would or can search the tons of laptops and phones coming into Australia. All it would take is one person with 10GB of porn to keep them busy for a couple hours.

    11. Re:So... by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I imagine this could have serious consequences for Japanese and other Asian travelers were images of child porn (i.e. anime and manga) are perfectly legal. In Australia such drawings are outlawed, even though there's NO victim in this so-called crime. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

      I don't know why our Aussie cousins put up with such nonsense, and do not demand repeal of these laws that infringe upon the individual rights of both artists and users of the art. Freedom of expression is given to us by our Creator (god or nature) and no government has legitimate authority to take away that right, anymore than it has a right to cut off our hands or gouge-out our eyes.

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    12. Re:So... by Bakkster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, when they're caught later, if you can prove they lied on their customs form you can put them away for even longer.

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    13. Re:So... by MrZilla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or just use TrueCryp and create a hidden partition.

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    14. Re:So... by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I imagine this could have serious consequences for Japanese and other Asian travelers were images of child porn (i.e. anime and manga) are perfectly legal.

      Tough shit. My handgun is completely legal the United States. If I take it into another country where it's not legal I'm going to be charged. Maybe the Japanese should leave their kiddie porn at home when they travel to the West?

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    15. Re:So... by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      Someone (i.e. not me) should film some really nasty bondage films with people dressed as Australian customs agents. Make sure it is the first file searched. Smile and wink often, as you slowly move closer to an agent, or make up your own way to have fun.

    16. Re:So... by Iyonesco · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes. Pictures of women over 18 with small breasts are illegal on the grounds that it is "virtual child pornography":

      http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/australia-bans-small-breasts/

      Drawings of girls under 18 are banned because that too is virtual child pornography:

      http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/01/simpsons-powerpuff-girls-porn-nets-jail-time-for-australian.ars

      Basically then if they want to arrest you I'm sure they could find something in your porn collection that's illegal, whether its a girl with small breasts or some cartoon porn.

      Much like Canada they're very concerned with "virtual" things down there and far less concerned about real crimes. No doubt they'll be banning virtual murder and virtual dangerous driving in computer games next.

    17. Re:So... by poetmatt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please. why does this have to be so complicated? A flash drive will do. Maybe a 16GB one which is like $30 US? Keep it in your pocket, and they won't even know you have it. Hell, keep one in each pocket, and you have 32GB of porn coming in the country.

    18. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I call rule 34 on tarmac pr0n.

    19. Re:So... by Spazztastic · · Score: 1

      Please. why does this have to be so complicated? A flash drive will do. Maybe a 16GB one which is like $30 US? Keep it in your pocket, and they won't even know you have it. Hell, keep one in each pocket, and you have 32GB of porn coming in the country.

      Very true. I was going through security in Guatemala City coming home and my USB drive set off the alarm. I took it out of my pocket and said "oh, forgot to put this through the xray." The guy just said to hand it to him around the detector and go through.

      No problem.

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    20. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe the Japanese should leave their kiddie porn at home when they travel to the West?

      you mean south right ? australia is south to japan.

    21. Re:So... by gzipped_tar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Since when has porn been measured in GB? Real Slashdotters (TM) measure it in Libraries of Congress.

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    22. Re:So... by thrawn_aj · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What can they do if they find it?

      I dunno. Download it?

      The simplest solution is to somehow get porn producers within the MPAA umbrella. Charge customs officers a licensing fee for being able to search travelers' porn stashes. Better yet, sue them for piracy for viewing legitimate users' porn. It would be worth it just to see the clash of the giant douchebags. Does opposing douchebaggery cancel out and leave the world a happy place?

    23. Re:So... by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      Australia has become the world's equivalent of Alabama in recent years. Every month, we get a new batch of batshit crazy shit from down under. I fully expect them to announce they're outlawing music any day now.

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    24. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed. This is a political play -- an agenda create by those who don't have a clue what they're doing and are too arrogant to consult technical folks that do. It will fizzle when they realize it's fruitless or the media winds no longer blow in a favorable direction.

      I've worked at quite a few businesses that promoted very similar -- doomed to failed because we're business people and don't have any idea what we're doing -- initiatives.

    25. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What if I tell them that under my clothes, I am pornographic? Will they strip-search me?

    26. Re:So... by kangsterizer · · Score: 2

      everyone has their morale, but i'm pretty sure europeans, australians and americans share this one alike:
      - a gun is dangerous
      - a manga with a nude teen poses no threat and not made anyone suffer either

      it's like.. lets outlaw pants. if you come with your pants on you'll go to jail. since it's a country wishe it's perfectly ok and must be respected! oh yeah!

    27. Re:So... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Anime and manga should be legal. They're cartoons; Fictional representations of a fabricated encounter, often between entities which do not even exist outside of a person's imagination.

      Or do you think there really are impossibly proportioned cartoon people in the real world, with emotions other than those that the artist has attributed to them at the exact time being pictured? Do they have a family history? Are they going to grow up in later life and abuse other cartoon people?

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    28. Re:So... by Enter+the+Shoggoth · · Score: 1

      So they can search for porn. What can they do if they find it? Is porn illegal in Australia now?

      Regardless of the government's hysterical raving about internet filtering it is worth noting that it has always been the case that any publication that has not been given a certification by the Australian Government's Office of Film and Literature Classifaction is technically illegal - porn or otherwise.

      Note that I'm not trying to justify the governments' position just pointing out how it works down here, I believe it's a similar situation in most Common Law jurisdictions.

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    29. Re:So... by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The third one will have a line out to the tarmac.
      Yes the real question is in the "declare" part.
      If you say "no" in good faith and they find you with "anything", things can get legally interesting as you lied on your paperwork.
      Citizen journalist, authors, speakers, protesters with story time limits can all face a long time wasting legal choke point.
      Sitting in detention as they appeal the fine point of "declare" and the material found on their computers.
      Days later they are released with a no comment due to privacy laws from the federal gov. Their story/work lost and reputations damaged.
      Buy a new HD/ssd before entering Australia and install only productivity apps.
      Encrypt anything in/out while networking in Australia and buy a new HD/ssd on exiting.

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    30. Re:So... by uncledrax · · Score: 3, Informative

      He probably meant "The West" as in "Locales of Westernized Culture", of which Oz is included.

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    31. Re:So... by purpledinoz · · Score: 1

      Wow, really? In Australia? It seems that Australians are striving to progress to 16th century. What's next? Suspected witches can be burned? People must acknowledge that the world is flat?

    32. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I measure it in gallons.

    33. Re:So... by FredFredrickson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So the problem with the small breasts ban? Most girls who end up with huge knockers usually have decent sized ones well before 18. And the flat chested ones? They're probably not going to increase much between the ages of 17 years, 364 days and 18.

      Ageism at its best. Puberty in women is usually between ages 15 and 17. There's not much happening at the age of 18.

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    34. Re:So... by Dekker3D · · Score: 3, Funny

      alright! i've heard people saying "fuck the world", but actually fucking the tarmac? ouch... forgive me if i don't think too much about the how and why of that one.

    35. Re:So... by XDirtypunkX · · Score: 1

      How many money-shots per Library of Congress?

    36. Re:So... by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      a gun is dangerous

      A gun is no more dangerous than a motor vehicle, but that's rather beside the point that I was trying to make. If you visit a foreign country you have to abide by the laws of that jurisdiction. I don't happen to agree with Saudi Arabia's laws regarding women but I wouldn't suggest that my sister fly there and try to rent a car as an act of civil disobedience.....

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    37. Re:So... by commodore64_love · · Score: 2

      >>>Maybe the Japanese should leave their kiddie porn at home when they travel to the West?

      Someone who doesn't know his geography probably doesn't know much about Individual Human Rights or Natural Law Philosophy either. No doubt that's why you ignored the rest of my posting - The Australian government has no more legitimate authority to outlaw art, then it does to cutoff the artist's hand, or to enslave the artist.

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    38. Re:So... by Dekker3D · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you don't want things like goatse, tubgirl or microsoft in your porn, do you?

    39. Re:So... by Cimexus · · Score: 3, Informative

      TFA is a bit of a beat-up. Basically, it's just clarifying that customs officers have the right to search your laptop. Just as they do in most other countries (including the US).

      The justification in this case is twofold:

      - Child porn (yes the old 'think of the children');
      - Commercial quantities of regular porn (porn is legal to own and view in Australia, but it is illegal to sell it outside of specific areas and circumstances)

      So this is targeted at people bringing in 50 shrinkwrapped XXX DVDs or child porn, rather than average joe who took some nude shots of his wife while on vacation overseas. You don't honestly think Customs has the time or resources to search everyone's laptop. I mean, EVERYONE travels with one these days. Half the time if you don't look suspicious and haven't declared anything they don't even bother putting you through the scanner ... they just say "go on through".

      Another case of Australia seeming to have scary laws on paper, but which in reality will have no real effect. They are just there so that there's a legal justification for a search of a laptop in extreme cases (previously I don't think there was a justification for this since the Customs laws hadn't been updated in a while).

    40. Re:So... by Dekker3D · · Score: 1

      i'm afraid douchebag against douchebag just means there's more of them to get rid of. but they'll be too distracted to bother anyone you or i care about, so sure. they "cancel out" in a way.

    41. Re:So... by LordLimecat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Encrypting and then deleting the files is pretty useless, sort of like using WPA2 and then setting up mac filtering. Whatever is the point? Not to mention you run the risk of dataloss, as the boot process could overwrite the deleted files.

    42. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Judging by his capitalization of the word West, he was referring to 'the West' as in 'the Western world', not as a cardinal direction. The West includes western Europe, North America, and Australia.

      Here is a map for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Clash_of_Civilizations_map2.png

      Wiki article on the West: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world

    43. Re:So... by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      How exactly would you be able to prove that?

    44. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a better answer would be to check always yes.

      but I see naked program code! and I fap with that!

      but I hope you'll never travel to australia with some foto of your totally of legal age but with small breast girlfriend.

    45. Re:So... by XDirtypunkX · · Score: 1

      It's illegal to sell, publicly show or distribute, but it's legal to bring into the country and possess for personal use. The problem with electronic media though is that you only need one copy to be be able to distribute it, so it's very hard to prove that you don't intend to.

    46. Re:So... by Shakrai · · Score: 2

      I agree with you (they should be legal), all I'm saying is that you are bound to follow the law of the countries that you visit.

      I like to drive through Canada to get to Detroit. It shaves two hours off my trip. I have a valid concealed carry permit in both New York State and Michigan. Can I lock up my handgun in the trunk without going through the proper channels to obtain a Canadian firearms license? It's not hurting anyone after all.....

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    47. Re:So... by Vectormatic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A gun is no more dangerous than a motor vehicle

      You try casually walking into a bank with a ford mustang concealed on your person before donning a clown mask and sticking the place up..

      Fact is, a gun's primary (and arguably only real) function is to shoot (at) people, a motor vehicle's primary function isnt running people over..

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    48. Re:So... by hackus · · Score: 1

      You mean like this guy?

      http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/nyregion/10cnd-spitzer.html

      What I like about it is he ran on the platform to clean up New York and prostitution.

      LOL.

      I think he has his own TV show now...or maybe he will be at CNN.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/19/AR2010051905338.html

      All in all...I see the end coming for a lot of countries. In debt, power hungry and greedy gigantic revolts will be happening and the world is gonna BURN.

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    49. Re:So... by torstenvl · · Score: 1

      Australia is about as far East as it gets. And anime/manga porn is legal in the United States, regardless of whether it depicts children or adults. That's not to say that most Americans think it's a good thing. Most, including me, condemn its existence. But a government can't prohibit books and text and illustrations unless it has the authority to prohibit books and text and illustrations, and a government that has that authority is an inherently dangerous one.

    50. Re:So... by hvm2hvm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      or change the extension of the files

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    51. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then don't do it on your boot partition :P

    52. Re:So... by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      *doublechecks his entire collection for cup-size*

      this might take a while.. any official word on which cup-size is the minimum?

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    53. Re:So... by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Informative

      You try casually walking into a bank with a ford mustang concealed on your person before donning a clown mask and sticking the place up..

      The actions of a few bad apples does not make the device itself dangerous. I could rob that bank with a knife or baseball bat if I was so inclined. Do you regard those items as dangerous?

      Fact is, a gun's primary (and arguably only real) function is to shoot (at) people

      I guess you've never heard of the shooting sports or hunting?

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    54. Re:So... by boxwood · · Score: 1

      that doesn't matter. When travelling you have to respect the laws of the nation you're visiting. For example, in Thailand its illegal to say anything bad about the King. This goes against the right to free speech. Maybe you don't like it but you have to abide by the law. If you don't like the laws of a country then don't go there.

      Australia is a sovereign nation and has the authority to make any laws it wants. Its up to Aussie citizens to vote in people to make the laws governing them. You may disagree with their laws, and their laws may be immoral and stupid, but if you visit their country you have to abide by them.

      If you can't live without your kiddie porn then you shouldn't go to Australia.

    55. Re:So... by rhp997 · · Score: 1

      Or football fields.

    56. Re:So... by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1

      Regardless of the government's hysterical raving about internet filtering it is worth noting that it has always been the case that any publication that has not been given a certification by the Australian Government's Office of Film and Literature Classifaction is technically illegal - porn or otherwise.

      Please stop spreading myths, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. RC material is generally not illegal to possess. Listen to Steven Conroy sometime, whenever he is asked a question about this he goes off on a long spiel about how RC material is not available in shops, can't rent it at the video store, etc etc which is all a distraction so he can avoid having to admit that it isn't actually illegal.

      Refused Classification ("RC") material is legal in most states and territories, except for material that falls under the definition of child porn. See here, for example, for more details, and stop spreading crap info!

    57. Re:So... by Nevynxxx · · Score: 1

      You must have some damned interesting tattoos

    58. Re:So... by v1 · · Score: 1

      Does opposing douchebaggery cancel out and leave the world a happy place?

      It's probably best compared with say, USA and Russia going to nuclear war. If they're going to go down, they're taking the whole planet with them.

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    59. Re:So... by Ihmhi · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've had this fetish for years, but searching any streaming porn site for "hot sticky black" just brings up wholly disappointing results.

    60. Re:So... by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      One man's art is another mans porn.

      You can be lucky that Australia isn't controlled by Islam - because then it would be illegal to portrait humans - regardless of if it's pornographic or not - it would be a depiction of God.

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    61. Re:So... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Photos of Iran from before the Islamic revolution of 1979. It's happened before and it could happen again.

    62. Re:So... by DirtyCanuck · · Score: 1

      My favorite this week:

      Anti-Gay Minister Busted Using RentBoy.com!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYDlXfaivD4

      You think they would focus on the actual sex trade (You know the people enslaving kids) rather than what deviant genre of porn people are into. Or what thumbnails from 1998 of child porn are cached on their computer.

      Even when they book these evil fucks who rape kids they are usually out on the street faster than crimes as hilarious as Marijuana possession.

      Remember kids, when faced with the dilemma to sell pot or rape somebody, think of the potential consequences and put on your rape face.

    63. Re:So... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Guns are dangerous? so are Kitchen Knives, Axes, Sledge hammers, cars, lawnmowers, chainsaws, motorcycles, and blenders.

      We should ban all those as well?

      Granted, they may look at me funny when trying to board a plane with a lawnmower..... Chainsaw? they will wave me through.

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    64. Re:So... by Duradin · · Score: 1

      "And anime/manga porn is legal in the United States, regardless of whether it depicts children or adults. "

      I'd check with a lawyer on this one. IIRC there was recently a case where someone got sex offender status from having lolicon or hentai mangas since those are "kiddy porn".

    65. Re:So... by Alarindris · · Score: 1

      Fact is, a gun's primary (and arguably only real) function is to shoot (at) people

      No, their primary function is to shoot. What you are shooting at dictates the type of gun.

      Shotguns are for birds and small mammals (or larger game at close range with a slug).
      Air rifles are for cans and targets.
      Rifles are for large animals (sometimes including humans).
      Handguns are for self defense.

      And so on and so forth.

    66. Re:So... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll help you get that legal the second you can get cartoons of Mohammed legal.

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    67. Re:So... by Rorschach1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Maybe the guy who pushed this rule is actually addicted to porn and wants to create a giant archive of it all, print it out and then roll around in the pages."

      Dude... all you need for that is Usenet and a printer.

      And on a completely unrelated note, make sure you wear gloves while refilling your printer's continuous ink supply system. Looks like I murdered a freakin' clown...

    68. Re:So... by russotto · · Score: 1

      Fact is, a gun's primary (and arguably only real) function is to shoot (at) people, a motor vehicle's primary function isnt running people over..

      Err, no. A gun's primary function is to shoot, but what they're made to shoot at varies.

    69. Re:So... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      You know that micro-sd cards are the ultimate smuggling device.

      slit your shoe heel, slip in the card and they will never find it. I have several friends that when they travel have all their important info on micro-sd cards encrypted with true-crypt and stuffed under their insole or in a money belt.

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    70. Re:So... by techoi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Given all the weird ass'd rules and laws coming out from the Land Down Under, I am not sure we can still keep them in the Westernized Culture Club. Shit, at times I think the USA is aiming to get kicked out as well.

    71. Re:So... by kd5zex · · Score: 1

      Project much?

      Fact is, a gun is designed for one purpose only; the expulsion of a projectile from its muzzle.

      What function it serves and the direction of its muzzle is a decision made by the operator.

    72. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is only the latest in a string of censorship proposals that the government claims are targeted towards protecting people from child pornography.

      The whole idea of protecting people from kiddie porn is just ludicrous. The laws are supposed to be about protecting the _kids_ from being exploited, not "protecting" adults from being exploiters (if you consider downloading free stuff from the internet to be "exploitive"... IMHO the exploitation has already happened and anyone downloading the content isn't doing anything to help the exploiters unless they are paying for it).

    73. Re:So... by kaiser423 · · Score: 1

      Rather than add this on as an extra charge that might also affect a not insignificant portion of the population, just add extra years to a child pornographers sentence?

      Oh wait, that sentence is already long enough to probably be life in prison? Then why do we need to tack on anything extra?

    74. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fact is, a gun's primary (and arguably only real) function is to shoot (at) people

      What kind of fantasy world do you live in? DO you even realize how wrong you are? I have a shotgun that was designed from the ground up to shoot Quail, Doves, Ducks and other birds. Not people. I have a couple of long rifles that were explicitly designed for shooting Elk, Deer and other game. I have a .22 LR that is designed for target shooting. I could go on and on. I have numerous guns, none of them were designed for shooting people.

      Now there are guns designed for shooting people (AK47, M-16, etc). But just because some guns are designed to shoot people does not mean that all guns are designed to shoot people.

    75. Re:So... by silentcoder · · Score: 3, Funny

      Heh, that reminded me of this:

      "Do you have any strong liquor, mind-altering herbs, pornography or material of a lewd and licentious nature ?"
      "No"
      "Would you like some ?" - Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies (I may not have the quotation 100% but it's close enough for slashdot).

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    76. Re:So... by networkBoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ha ha ha...
      I was thinking more along the lines of a nice open "porn" folder in "My Pictures" (because if you have linux they won't likely be able to search, and instead just confiscate your notebook). In said folder I'll place pictures of all the different dismembered electronics bits (Geek Porn), and one rick roll video.

      While I'm sure this will make my travel times longer, I also think it will be worth it :-)

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    77. Re:So... by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      For some reason, this is the first thing that popped into my mind. So sorry ...

    78. Re:So... by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      or store everything in folders that look like malware servers...

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    79. Re:So... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are over complicating this. They are not going to subject every computer that comes into the country to forensic analysis. Mac or Linux command line: "tar -czvf archive.tgz ~/porndir;rm -rf ~/porndir" or if you use Windows just use the built-in compression system. Better yet, put all your porn in your Dropbox or other cloud storage. Then when they ask if you any porn on your laptop you can honestly answer "no". Of course there was... and there will be again ten minutes after you get to your hotel room... but right now there is honestly no porn. A national firewall is clearly not going to block popular cloud storage providers.

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    80. Re:So... by bjartur · · Score: 2, Funny

      So they can search for porn. What can they do if they find it? Is porn illegal in Australia now?

      What do you usually do with porn you were searching for when you''ve found it?

    81. Re:So... by networkBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      so that those in power look "tough" on cp crimes?
      duh! ;)

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    82. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Swimming pools of... uh, nevermind :)

    83. Re:So... by Steauengeglase · · Score: 1

      Do they pay taxes?

    84. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, nobody ever hunts for food. Try leaving the city some time, jackass.

    85. Re:So... by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      You try casually walking into a bank with a ford mustang concealed on your person before donning a clown mask and sticking the place up..

      How about driving one through the front and jumping out with a bat?

      Fact is, a gun's primary (and arguably only real) function is to shoot (at) people, a motor vehicle's primary function isnt running people over..

      It could be argued that this guys cars primary purpose was killing. One could also argue that the primary purpose of the gun of a police officer is as a deterrence. Since they all have them and very few ever have to use it on a human.

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    86. Re:So... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      Actually, Alabama is getting better. We can have high gravity beer now. I'm still not sure what threat the old laws against high gravity beer were designed to thwart, but apparently they no longer need thwarting.

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    87. Re:So... by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      I would meet GP in the middle with the fact that some guns are clearly designed towards their being aimed at people (or people shaped targets), as they have little value as game rifles (i.e. AK47, AR15/M16, etc.) That said, however, the ultimate decision to shoot a person (with very rare and unfortunate exceptions) lies with another person.
      -nB

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    88. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool, so if they find an image containing titties on your hard drive, are you going to be required to provide documentation that they are 18 year old titties?

      What could possibly go wrong?

    89. Re:So... by e4g4 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I guess you've never heard of the shooting sports [wikipedia.org] or hunting?

      Handguns (with some exceptions, of course) are not typically used for either of those things.

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    90. Re:So... by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      only if you've drained the gas tank and chain oil reservoir. Also, gasoline can not be in your 3x1 Oz bottles...

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    91. Re:So... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      I believe it's a similar situation in most Common Law jurisdictions.

      Except the US, Canada, the UK, and Ireland? I mean I suppose I could be wrong about Canada, the UK, and Ireland, but I know enough people from all three to believe I'm not. Are there any other Common Law Jurisdictions?

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    92. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many people who bring up that story forget 1 very important point: He also had REAL child pornography in addition to the lolicon H-manga.

    93. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gun requires a license, anime and manga don't, silly comparison really.

    94. Re:So... by Nadaka · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know what you mean.
      My girlfriend has looked like a 14 year old for the last 12 years.
      We get odd looks all the time.
      I can't buy alcohol if they see her in line with me at the store.
      I'm not really complaining.

    95. Re:So... by T+Murphy · · Score: 1

      a motor vehicle's primary function isnt running people over

      Only if you haven't seen the rush hour drivers around here.

    96. Re:So... by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because the mpaa isn't for searching laptops for all media files. They are so pro privacy.

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    97. Re:So... by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      true, that stuff is even better, but it's a little more expensive too. 32GB is like $70. You're correct though. you could even bring a camera and leave it in the camera, and they'd probably not even look at it or even know how to do so.

    98. Re:So... by Enter+the+Shoggoth · · Score: 1

      Regardless of the government's hysterical raving about internet filtering it is worth noting that it has always been the case that any publication that has not been given a certification by the Australian Government's Office of Film and Literature Classifaction is technically illegal - porn or otherwise.

      Please stop spreading myths, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. RC material is generally not illegal to possess. Listen to Steven Conroy sometime, whenever he is asked a question about this he goes off on a long spiel about how RC material is not available in shops, can't rent it at the video store, etc etc which is all a distraction so he can avoid having to admit that it isn't actually illegal.

      Refused Classification ("RC") material is legal in most states and territories, except for material that falls under the definition of child porn. See here, for example, for more details, and stop spreading crap info!

      Eh... it may not be illegal to posess but I suspect that it is illegal to import without a license

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    99. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perfectly legal? I just flew to Japan. They list "Child Pornography" (capitalized) as a prohibited import, and have a box to check if you're carrying it.

      Sorry, child porn is _NOT_ legal in asia. Maybe North Korea...

    100. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More likely opposing douchebaggery explodes, leaving us all covered in douche water. It could be worse. It could be used douche water.

    101. Re:So... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Informative

      I guess you've never heard of the shooting sports [wikipedia.org] or hunting?

      Handguns (with some exceptions, of course) are not typically used for either of those things.

      Actually, competitive pistol-shooting is quite popular is some circles. Including the Olympic Games.

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    102. Re:So... by kalirion · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing he meant a handgun. When was the last time you'd gone hunting with a glock pistol?

    103. Re:So... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      No, the problem is that idiots are making the laws.

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    104. Re:So... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Never traveled around the world, have you? We have this thing called customs declarations.

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    105. Re:So... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Informative

      A gun is no more dangerous than a motor vehicle

      There are more guns than people in the USA.

      Their are fewer cars than people in the USA.

      There are more automobile-related fatalities in the USA (42,600 in 2004) than firearms-related fatalities (So, actually, motor vehicles are rather more dangerous than guns...

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    106. Re:So... by Unordained · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_by_governments
      The US does show up in the list, if not much. Even James Joyce's Ulysses was banned for a while.

    107. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, that's why they have so many different versions of the same kind and spend millions on R&D. To better shoot that bird or can! come on, don't be so naive!

    108. Re:So... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      - Child porn (yes the old 'think of the children');

      Yes, but Australia has banned any porn (including cartoon porn) of persons (real or imaginary) who even look to be under 18 (i.e. small-breasted adult models). I sure as hell wouldn’t want to try to sanitize my porn collection to comply with their ridiculous laws before I enter the country.

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    109. Re:So... by swb · · Score: 1

      That's all well and good over cocktails at the faculty mixer or over a joint at the grad student parties.

      Out here in the real world, Australia has whatever authority they can enforce out of a barrel of a gun. Debates over its moral authority and/or philosophical justification really don't matter.

    110. Re:So... by Dare+nMc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      even more deviant than the ones they are attacking.

      It does make sense. It is difficult for people to believe they are not normal (when it is in a bad way.) So they assume everyone else cannot control themselves either, and so try to impose the blame for there own lack of self control on others.

    111. Re:So... by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      I don't know, there are parts of Alaska, Canada and the Continental Northwest where having a rifle that can switch to full auto might be a better alternative to carrying a second higher caliber gun for bear defense.

    112. Re:So... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Handguns (with some exceptions, of course) are not typically used for either of those things."

      There are plenty of ranges that only allow small-caliber weapons on the hunting premises.

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    113. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Forever Nested.

      \pr0n\haha just kidding\ then a symlink back to \pr0n

    114. Re:So... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      And just what do you know about guns? My Colt AR-15 was a damned-fine hunting rifle. And when it comes to stopping tough game, like wild boar, an AK is almost EXACTLY what you want (Take off full-automatic fire mode.)

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    115. Re:So... by Khyber · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "I'll help you get that legal the second you can get cartoons of Mohammed legal."

      Start working, show me a law (outside of Muslim/Islamic countries) that makes it illegal to draw Mohammed.

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    116. Re:So... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Of course, Wikidiots IGNORE THE INTERNATIONAL DATE LINE, which FIRMLY puts Australia in the EAST.

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    117. Re:So... by hey · · Score: 4, Funny

      This post shows good understanding of Linux/Unix symlinks but not of slashes vs. backslashes. Weird.

    118. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      a gun is dangerous

      A gun is no more dangerous than a motor vehicle

      that's incorrect, a gun sole usage is destruction and is very easy to misuse, you just have to press the trigger of a charged gun. Any kid is going to play cowboy with it and kill people without even figuring out it is lethal.
      It's a lot more difficult to hurt someone with a knife than a loaded gun. That's why we made guns heh.

      Turn on a motor, nothing happens.
      Throw a knife, you'd better be damn good to hurt someone.
      Read a manga, nothing happens.

    119. Re:So... by Hawke · · Score: 2, Informative

      I expect, in terms of rounds fired, handguns are overwhelmingly used for harmless recreation.

    120. Re:So... by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

      The GP point is still valid they would have to prove that you had the files on your computer when you went through customs. As long as you kept the file dates current on your porn stash they couldn't prove a thing.

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    121. Re:So... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      False on both counts. The larger handgun calibers (.41/.44 magnum/.50 AE/.500 S&W/etc) were specifically designed for hunting. They are too powerful for effective self-defense and too expensive for routine target shooting. What they are good at is taking game and wilderness protection. The shooting sports are also filled with handgun disciplines, ranging from old fashioned target shooting to practical/defensive shooting to cowboy action shooting.

      If you live in a free country find a handgun range and go observe for awhile. You might be surprised at the range of applications for them.

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    122. Re:So... by Captain+Spam · · Score: 1

      You try casually walking into a bank with a ford mustang concealed on your person before donning a clown mask and sticking the place up..

      If you physically CAN conceal a Ford Mustang on your person when you walk into a bank, I certainly wouldn't try to stop you from robbing it.

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    123. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't even notice. I blame working on Windows machines all day then being too burnt out to use the (Linux) computer when I get home.

    124. Re:So... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Last year. I took a wild boar with a Glock 20 in 10mm. Next question?

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    125. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm sure with some modification the engine could run on other liquids.... like those bottles of flammable liquid they pimp at airports - perfumes, aftershaves, and booze.

      Hell, even if they take your chainsaw away you could probably cause plenty of problems starting a fire with the fuel (and lighters) they sell in duty-free!

      They managed to stop people bringing their own drinks off the back of an alleged attack, meaning people now have to buy drinks from the airports/airlines. Oh, and they increased the check in times too, so more time waiting about in hot, air-conditioned environments.

      I wonder if they will close their duty free shops if an attack is tried on a plane using stuff bought from DF. I seriously doubt it, and if this comes true, then it just highlights how customer safety will always come second to profits.

    126. Re:So... by AGMW · · Score: 1

      ... time wasting legal choke ...

      Time well spent legal choke

      Fixed that for ya

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    127. Re:So... by Dare+nMc · · Score: 2, Informative

      a motor vehicle's primary function isnt running people over..

      Which is what makes a vehicle a much better weapon. Hundreds of people are intentionally killed with vehicles monthly. The beauty is, failure to control your car is not a felony in it's self, so no one knows intent; and honestly not as much direct evidence of a crime. A gun implies a intent, leaves lots of evidence everywhere... Only the truly stupid or un-imaginative would use a gun for homicide. It is a real shame everyone isn't taught how to properly handle lethal tools; especially guns and vehicles. In places like Switzerland where (almost) every adult male is required to be trained in (and generally posses) Assult weapons, they have the lowest criminal use of those weapons in the world. (also they don't incite the same level of fear, and sense of power; which is what makes them so affective for control of people; like yourself, who are so uninformed to the world of firearms.)

    128. Re:So... by kangsterizer · · Score: 1

      A gun is no more dangerous than a motor vehicle

      There are more guns than people in the USA.

      Their are fewer cars than people in the USA.

      There are more automobile-related fatalities in the USA (42,600 in 2004) than firearms-related fatalities (So, actually, motor vehicles are rather more dangerous than guns...

      what matter is not the count but the usage
      the usage of the car compared to the usage of the gun is million.. billions times higher?

    129. Re:So... by Bakkster · · Score: 1

      And if you didn't, then they find a way to peg the guy. I never said it would be easy, but it is another way to catch criminals.

      Remember, Al Capone only went to prison for tax evasion. Maybe the child porn charges don't stick, but the one for lying on a customs form do?

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    130. Re:So... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "The GP point is still valid they would have to prove that you had the files on your computer when you went through customs"

      You do realize we've moved to journaling file systems for quite some time, now? It would be fairly trivial to find out when a particular file was around.

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    131. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're calling them idiots because they're putting a stop to idiots like yourself.

    132. Re:So... by AGMW · · Score: 0, Troll

      The whole idea of protecting people from kiddie porn is just ludicrous. The laws are supposed to be about protecting the _kids_ from being exploited, not "protecting" adults from being exploiters (if you consider downloading free stuff from the internet to be "exploitive"... IMHO the exploitation has already happened and anyone downloading the content isn't doing anything to help the exploiters unless they are paying for it).

      The point is well made that if there was no market for child porn (or indeed any sort of porn) then there would be far fewer people, if any, making it. Being a consumer of a 'good' creates a market that needs to be fed, hence it can be argued that by being a viewer of CP you are assisting the 'market' (as a consumer) and therefore encourage the creation of more 'product', which in this case involves the abuse of minors.

      Personally, I think it is indeed a valid argument but your mileage may vary.

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    133. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't have kiddy porn, they had animated depictions of it.
      The difference between kiddy porn and what they had is the same thing as the difference between a snuff film and a horror film and I don't exactly see anyone being jailed for watching "Saw".
      Just like I don't see anyone being sued for watching a rape video cause they saw the movie "The Last House on the Left"

    134. Re:So... by Bakkster · · Score: 1

      Rather than add this on as an extra charge that might also affect a not insignificant portion of the population, just add extra years to a child pornographers sentence? Oh wait, that sentence is already long enough to probably be life in prison? Then why do we need to tack on anything extra?

      See my post above. Al Capone went to prison for tax evasion because sharges on racketeering, conspiracy, etc never stuck. It's the old tactic of charging the defendant with a bunch of crimes, so that even if one or two get dismissed the guy still goes to prison.

      You may not be able to prove in court that the child porn is actually CP, but you might be able prove that he didn't declare it on a customs form.

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    135. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the argument has been raised in japan itself, and there is in act a group who believes that fictional characters themselves have "rights".

    136. Re:So... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Care to clarify that?

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    137. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cartoon of Mohammed crying at your blasephemous suggestion:

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    138. Re:So... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      The Australian government has no more legitimate authority to outlaw art, then it does to cutoff the artist's hand, or to enslave the artist.

      Depends on what you mean by legitimate. The Australian government has the full backing of a righteous mob hungry for blood. What do you have? A few pieces of paper and faith in the rule of law? Then I suggest you make sure you leave your laptop behind when visiting. Push it, and you may yet find out just how much of a right the Australian Government has to cut pieces off your flesh.

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    139. Re:So... by zill · · Score: 1

      If you declare that you're not bring any porn with you and they find the flash drives then you're going to be in big trouble.

      In the very least they can hold you without charge for 12 days just to ruin your vacation.

    140. Re:So... by TheNumberless · · Score: 1

      The entire point of the linked articles is that there is a widely used concept of "West" that has little to do with geographical position.

      I have no idea how that could make you so very angry.

    141. Re:So... by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Both of which I've been required to take off.
      Last time I traveled with info that I didn't want to share I used an SD card (16 gig) under one of those patch bandages that seals all the way around. Taped it to a relatively hairless part of by body that wouldn't pull when moving (small of my back FWIW). All done. Best part is even if I ended up shirtless, a flat bandage like that won't actually get much attention, yet is expected to be somewhat stiff from likely scabbing underneath.
      -nB

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    142. Re:So... by rishistar · · Score: 1

      Tarmac may not have a pulse but if its a sunny day, it can be warm....

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    143. Re:So... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I didn't forget that, I can't forget something that I never knew. The news reports it as "man gets child porn conviction for cartoons." If there was real CP in there, please provide me a link to that information.

    144. Re:So... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Depends on the definitions of porn. I mean, if a picture of a '69 Camaro or '70 Chevelle gives you a woody, do you have to declare it?

      What about an 8 core gaming rig with a cool case?

      I think everyone going in to Australia should list whatever makes them happy as porn.

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    145. Re:So... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      "All it would take is one person with 10GB of porn to keep them busy for a couple hours."

      I find the more porn I have, the shorter I last.

      I'd just underclock my processor something fierce, tell my machine to boot from a non existent drive, etc.

      If they ask me to boot it up so they can search, I'll say "it's broken". And then I can show them that it's "broken".

      Have it boot to a separate Windows partition, with NTLDR missing or some such. Boot, error, lol. Or boot, windows loading bar for 10 minutes, blue screen lol.

    146. Re:So... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      They say they didn't enter with it. The filter prevents them from getting it while there. So they either worked to circumvent the filter for the sole purpose of CP, or they lied on entry.

    147. Re:So... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Check out Lydia, the painted lady.

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    148. Re:So... by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      And just what do you know about guns

      Enough to know that banning guns won't solve anything, and that while you can point to a legitimate use for almost anything (i.e. BitTorrent and linux distros), there is no real doubt what the predominate use for certain firearms are.

      That said, location also matters. If you are hunting boar (or as another poster said, bear defense) then your ownership of said weapons makes more sense. If you live in downtown LA? Not so much.
      -nB

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    149. Re:So... by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 1, Troll

      Anime and manga should be legal. They're cartoons; Fictional representations of a fabricated encounter, often between entities which do not even exist outside of a person's imagination. Or do you think there really are impossibly proportioned cartoon people in the real world, with emotions other than those that the artist has attributed to them at the exact time being pictured? Do they have a family history? Are they going to grow up in later life and abuse other cartoon people?

      Many of the the right-wing fundies/idiots believe that thinking about sinning is the same as sinning.

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    150. Re:So... by kangsterizer · · Score: 1

      a gun is dangerous

      A gun is no more dangerous than a motor vehicle, but that's rather beside the point that I was trying to make. If you visit a foreign country you have to abide by the laws of that jurisdiction. I don't happen to agree with Saudi Arabia's laws regarding women but I wouldn't suggest that my sister fly there and try to rent a car as an act of civil disobedience.....

      i disagree. when a country morals are obviously wrong and against human rights, regardless of the laws in place this should not be tolerated or followed or even ignored.

      The fact that they are a different country does not matter. Countries are lines drawn by humans. Laws are texts written by humans. Most of this is made for power and control, and little is made for general happiness, safety and freedom. The past hundred years humans tried to change the balance with more or less success.

      a gun is made to shoot and does that well and easily, the danger is real and understandable. their usage is controlled, and you can't travel with it, it does not mean you can't use one, but you need a license a place to use it. Same for a car, actually, except you can cross countries boundaries in most cases.

      Since a country doesn't have direct file or control access to another, guns are usually forbidden to travel. (for personal travels, of course they still need to be shipped around..)

      Now, forbidding manga porn, there's no danger, it does not require a license or special conditions and you can't misuse it physically to kill someone.

      You sister should be able to also rent a car. Of course she's not going to do it. I'm not going to bring manga porn to Australia either.
      But I should be able to and I won't accept those laws just because they're made by another country.

      This debate could go on and on but I suppose you get the point even if you don't agree with it.

      And that's also why TFA does quite some noise, because it's against most people idea of freedom and most people do not accept it.

    151. Re:So... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      I saw that movie.

      --
      I drank what? -- Socrates
    152. Re:So... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      And anime/manga porn is legal in the United States, regardless of whether it depicts children or adults.

      No it's not.
      The Supreme Court said it was legal, but then they passed a law saying it wasn't just a few years ago.

      Yes, it's complete bullshit.
      Yes, it happened.
      Yes, it's been used against people.
      Yes, it's been used against people who ONLY had animated porn, when they claimed they would only use the law to tack on additional shit to people who had real child porn as well.

    153. Re:So... by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Actually there are 200 million guns, and 250 million motor vehicles for a population of 300 million. So there are not more guns than people, in fact there are more cars than guns. The overall statement that a motor vehicle is more likely to kill someone than a gun remains true however, until you take into account the length of time people spend using cars compared with guns.

    154. Re:So... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      No, the bigger problem is that idiots are getting elected into office, by idiots.. Expect much more of this. Idiocy is spreading faster than a flu virus. That's the problem with majority rule, stupid is hard to contain. It spreads like an oil slick mucking up everything..

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    155. Re:So... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Well, I’m not going to argue with that...

      --
      Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
    156. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OP your sister can ride with me /ducks

    157. Re:So... by Golddess · · Score: 1

      I can't buy alcohol if they see her in line with me at the store.

      Wait, what? Liquor stores around me never had a problem selling to my mom when I was in line with her and actually 14. Mind you, I was not allowed to help her carry the stuff since I was underage, but being in line was just fine and dandy.

      --
      "I'm not sure I like the fugnutish tone you used in your post!" -RogL (608926)-
    158. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you've never heard of the shooting sports [wikipedia.org] or hunting?

      Handguns (with some exceptions, of course) are not typically used for either of those things.

      Considing most handgun owners don't shoot people but many of them do shoot at targets on a firing range I'd have to say you are completely full of shit.

    159. Re:So... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Last year. I took a wild boar with a Glock 20 in 10mm. Next question?

      Was the boar sick? How many rounds did it take? Did you just manage to roll a double-20? ;)

    160. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "child porn (i.e. anime and manga)"

      There has never been and never will be a living anime or manga character. There is no "child" porn.

      Second, by child porn, do you mean the 16yo child porn, which pervades ABC Family like Life of an American Teenager (I don't watch the show, sorry if I messed up the title), or prepubescent porn? Under the law, "child porn" includes adolescents, which are functionally biologically capable of breeding (which some would call adults).

      Third, and a nitpick, that should be i..e. some anime and manga. The vast majority of anime and manga don't have child porn. Unless you are also saying the "sex" scene in _Titanic_ is child porn, and at least there, they involved actual human actors, not drawn artistic work.

      Fourth, isn't there an imported UK films with certain famous actress is topless and has admitted to being under 16yo at the timeof filming and sold in the US?

      "I don't know why our Aussie cousins put up with such nonsense, "

      Indeed. This is the same country where during the Sydney Olympics, US radio stations were calling up brothels in Australia (which at least in one of their major cities such brothers are legal) and interviewing the whores/servicers/fluffers.

      "Freedom of expression is given to us by our Creator (god or nature) and no government has legitimate authority to take away that right, anymore than it has a right to cut off our hands or gouge-out our eyes."

      Agreed. I've always been confused as to why the _drawn images_ are illegal, but the actual act is not (in the US, we prosecute teenagers texting their SOs images aka sexting). I'm not saying the actual act should be, just that it's worse to be the bearer of the images than the act. By some US state laws, 16yo is an age of consent, so those 2 can actually engage in sex and it's legal. In fact, many times, possession of the drawn images, because of their succession in a video or compilation in a graphic novel (such as an erotic porn), lead to sentences far longer than the actual rape (victim is involuntary, regardless of age) of an actual human being.

    161. Re:So... by westlake · · Score: 0, Troll

      Of course there was... and there will be again ten minutes after you get to your hotel room... but right now there is honestly no porn. A national firewall is clearly not going to block popular cloud storage providers.

      You are moving your child pornograpy "by wire" across international borders.

      Your cloud storage provider now has your hard core stuff on its servers - with every reason to rat you out the moment this becomes inconvenient or dangerous to them.

      Your traffic moves over channels that every intellenge service on the planet monitors routinely - and your encryption had better be damn good, because you looking at billion dollar investments in the tech needed to break it.

    162. Re:So... by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "Encrypt anything in/out while networking in Australia and buy a new HD/ssd on exiting."

      I'd boot from a live CD (Knoppix, whatever) using the "toram" option for speed, use the ssd for workspace, then wipe it thoroughly when done.

      I'd still have a usable machine thanks to the live CD.

      --
      "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
    163. Re:So... by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "print it out and then roll around in the pages"

      That would make a mess of the rectory...

      --
      "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
    164. Re:So... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Pervert. Was she really that tall as a 2-year-old? You really couldn't tell she was under 10?

      --
      Sleep your way to a whiter smile...date a dentist!
    165. Re:So... by koxkoxkox · · Score: 2, Funny

      man touch

    166. Re:So... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Actually there are 200 million guns,

      A quick googling suggests the number of guns is closer to 275 million than 200 million.

      The 200 million number is more than ten years old, and there have been a lot of guns sold in the last decade.

      --

      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    167. Re:So... by e4g4 · · Score: 1

      My apologies - everyone I know who owns a handgun explicitly owns it for their own self-defense, and they use it for target shooting such that they can be sure that they can defend themselves when they need it. I know, anecdotes do not data make; I withdraw my statement regarding the primary use of handguns. As to your racist claim - I (quite happily) live in a mostly black neighborhood, if I were so racist, I'd certainly have never made the choice to live where I do - so go fuck yourself and your projections.

      --
      The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. - Albert Einstein
    168. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All it would take is one person with 10GB of porn to keep them busy for a couple hours.

      And they wouldn't complain

    169. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You try plowing a gun into a crowd of cyclists, crippling or killing a dozen people in a second.

      Fact is, an object's "primary" function is orthogonal to how dangerous it can be.

    170. Re:So... by HungryHobo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So they don't have child porn but by that point nobody likes them and you can send them to jail for having the image from a popup in their temporary internet files.

      fantasic!
      you know what would be easier?
      if we just did away with these court things. they're really just a hassel anyway.

    171. Re:So... by e4g4 · · Score: 1

      Where I live - the _vast_ majority of people who fire handguns at a shooting range are police (the NYPD, to be specific). Handguns belonging to the police are the only handguns I see on a regular basis. I think you'll have a hard time arguing that those handguns are intended for sport shooting.

      --
      The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. - Albert Einstein
    172. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like in 'human_males_in_tender_age_getting_it_in.xls'?

    173. Re:So... by arekusu_ou · · Score: 1

      Uhm, you realize the crazy things that US, CND, OZ, Britain, etc. are the things that distinguish them from the Middle East and the East. This is simply another thing the East and Middle East look down the West on.

    174. Re:So... by ushering05401 · · Score: 2, Funny

      AK-47. The very best there is. When you absolutely, positively got to kill every motherfucker in the room, accept no substitutes.

      - Ordell Robbie

    175. Re:So... by adbge · · Score: 1

      A national firewall is clearly not going to block popular cloud storage providers.

      Tell that to China.

    176. Re:So... by YouWantFriesWithThat · · Score: 1

      put the micro-sd card in a hollow nickle and no one will ever know it is there. .5 Euro coins also available. pretty reasonably priced at $30.

      i have been trying to find an excuse to buy one because i think that they are cool as hell.

    177. Re:So... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Fact is, a gun's primary (and arguably only real) function is to shoot (at) people, a motor vehicle's primary function isnt running people over.

      I don't know what kind of guns you own, by all my guns have a primary purpose of shooting at animals.

      --
      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    178. Re:So... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Yes, but some anime/manga is fantasized and 'idealized' child rape for those who like such things.

      It doesn't matter that they look like a cartoon; the end fantasized result (within the human mind) is the same.

      --
      ~/ssh slashdot.org ssh: connect to host slashdot.org port 22: too many beers
    179. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd imagine the hunting rifle is not quite designed to be used for people first... sure, you can shoot for prey of the two-legged variety... but they are more meant for killing animals for food at a distance.

    180. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just rename them to nphhuatv.dll, bkwujzwb.dll, jntbpmhq.dll, ghvvpzxf.dll, zgnczrao.dll, cuhbhj32.dll, yzkheeqk.dll, siqfepcl.dll, gujhxqql.dll, osxvao32.dll, lrnnmjkh.dll, gzbkjm32.dll, mgqoey32.dll, nkcultpv.dll, fbcida32.dll, rovcerlj.dll, and so on and drop them in your system32 folder.

    181. Re:So... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      When did I ever say "child porn". I just don't want customs agents inquiring about my taste in porn. You never lied and you never violated a law.

      --
      I don't need a million points of light, just two points of multi-mode fiber and a 10 Gig-E router.
    182. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, this is just a question about force? Better use the same method as the Aulotian guy from Stephen Neilsson Snowcrash then.

    183. Re:So... by Alex777 · · Score: 1

      So a Transformer is robbing the bank?

    184. Re:So... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      China is a "special case" I'm not bringing any electronic media I own into China period. Porn, no porn, regardless. Maybe a completely clean laptop with an OS CD and a carefully checked "data" CD, if I absolutely must have a computer for some reason related to the travel. I admit I wasn't clear. I meant no Australian nation firewall will block popular cloud services.

      --
      I don't need a million points of light, just two points of multi-mode fiber and a 10 Gig-E router.
    185. Re:So... by cgenman · · Score: 1

      I'm really curious about the emotional state of people who seem to find illicit material everywhere they go. What exactly is going on at the state house in Australia?

    186. Re:So... by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      I'll grant that a gun is a more convenient means of killing people, but a car can kill people for HOURS if you do it right!
      And for the record, the lock on my front door isn't to keep out wildlife, it's my explicit acknowledgment that there are bad people out there. And I'm still curious why some people think only the bad people should be allowed to have guns (because they won't give them up just because you said it's against the law).

      --
      Sure I'm paranoid, but am I paranoid enough?
    187. Re:So... by Khisanth+Magus · · Score: 1
      Sexual Offenses: Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 1466A

      18 U.S.C. 1466A – OBSCENE VISUAL REPRESENTATIONS OF THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN

      It is forbidden to knowingly produce, distribute, receive, or possess with the intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that
      • depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct and is obscene, or
      • depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex, and such depiction lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
    188. Re:So... by e4g4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You are, of course, quite correct. My presumption in that statement was that the average handgun owner bought the handgun with the intent of keeping it for self-defense (whether they use it for target shooting on the range as well is irrelevant, given that presumption, as owning a weapon for self defense does require that you keep up your skills in the event you should need to use it for self-defense). As I have no data to back up that presumption, I withdraw my statement.

      --
      The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. - Albert Einstein
    189. Re:So... by travisco_nabisco · · Score: 1

      How dare you go claiming there is a legitimate use for linux distros! Especially on /.

    190. Re:So... by dotgain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You've been watching the news too much - and when someone else says "porn" you only hear "child porn"

    191. Re:So... by 2obvious4u · · Score: 1

      Actually... The reason my family owns handguns is because of wild pigs. They are very dangerous, aggressive and a non-native species that is "kill on sight". They are also very tasty.

    192. Re:So... by dotgain · · Score: 1

      On the other hand you might confuse the customs officials, and make them wonder why you're transporting an ostensibly broken laptop computer. I wonder how that might work out for you?

    193. Re:So... by aunticrist · · Score: 1

      +1 Damn it I wish i had some points to give you right now.

    194. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I always hesitate with these customs questions. On the way home the question asked if I had any "milk products" and a variety of other food items. I did have a nice wheel of cheese I bought in Europe, so that's a "milk product" and I checked "yes". When I spoke with the customs person they said that they were interested only in milk, and unpasteurized milk at that, as a potential disease vector. A) What are the chances that someone would bring unpasturized milk on a plane heading into the country? B) so, in future, do I keep checking "yes" and waste my time going through the "something to declare" line, or do I answer "no", knowing that cheese isn't of interest, and technically lie on the form about having "milk products"?

      Some of the questions on these customs cards are maddeningly vague. I remember for one country the question was phrased "Have you ever had an infectious disease?" What, you mean ever in my lifetime? Obviously! How on Earth could someone legitimately answer "No" to that question, so why do they ask it that way? Is this like one of those "Have you ever lied?" questions? It turns out they were only looking for specific diseases such as AIDS or hepatitis -- if that's the case then why don't they freaking SAY that????

      So, I guess if I go to Australia and read the "Are you carrying any pornography?" question I'll answer "No", even though I'll be thinking "I'll bet there's someone somewhere in this bizarre world that regards something in my rather mundane photo collection as pornography." Come to think of it, I do have some pictures of the Venus de Milo on the laptop right now, so maybe I should answer "Yes"?

    195. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give me a bit and I'll see what I can do!

    196. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does opposing douchebaggery cancel out and leave the world a happy place?

      Oh, you poor little naive optimist, you.

    197. Re:So... by PolarIced · · Score: 1

      You are absolutely correct, sir!

      By uploading your porn to the "cloud," every government can easily catalog all of your collection for analysis later. This saves everybody a lot of time and hassle.

    198. Re:So... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      It took two. I screwed up the first shot and hit her in the spine about midway down her body. That kept her from running away but didn't put her down. The second shot was behind her ear and finished the job. She went down almost instantly after that hit. I paced it off once she expired -- it was 28 yards.

      That was my only experience with a Glock or the 10mm. I borrowed it from a friend so that I could give handgun hunting a try. I own a .45 but the research that I did suggested that it would be marginal for wild boar. I also have a .357, which is supposedly enough gun with the right load, but I'm not a good enough revolver shooter to ensure a clean kill with it.

      --
      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    199. Re:So... by vxice · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the instrumental part the gun played in the revolutionary war. Without guns Americans would have been able to only throw tea into the ocean. Guns aren't just meant to protect yourself from criminals who try to break into your home.

      --
      every anarchist is a baffled dictator. Benito_Mussolini
    200. Re:So... by aunticrist · · Score: 1

      Uhm, no. I was raised around rifles and handguns and never once got it in my head to ever "play" with them. I understood how lethal they are because i was -taught- about guns at an early age and was -taught- how to properly and safely handle them. Also, a knife is WAY easier to use than a gun and way easier to hurt someone with it. Don't believe me? Give a child an uncapped sharpie and tell them to go flail it around at someone and look at how many cuts they can deliver before the person gets the "knife" away from them. I will bet my life that they hit some vital points of the human body with no trouble. Now imagine that same knife in the hands of someone with intent to cause harm. Oh, and knives don't need to be reloaded, or jam.

    201. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > a motor vehicle's primary function isnt running people over..

      Tell that to Lindsey Lohan

    202. Re:So... by Duradin · · Score: 1

      "there is no real doubt what the predominate use for certain firearms are."

      I very much doubt that the predominate use for firearms is committing crimes if that was what you were alluding to.

      The predominate, by number of guns, use is most likely sitting in a gun safe, use at a shooting range, or hunting.

      The percentage of guns that are both legal and never been used in a crime is probably a lot higher than the percentage of torrents that are legal.

    203. Re:So... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      We don't have a problem with them around these parts but our DEC (Department of Environmental Conservation) still encourages hunters to shoot pigs on sight. I guess a few feral pigs have been seen in the wild but for the most part it's a non issue here.

      I have family in the Southeast and get the opportunity to hunt wild boar when I visit. I've bagged three of them -- one with the Glock and two with my trusty Model 70. The one I took with the handgun was probably the most fun -- stalked her for over an hour before I had the shot I wanted. The ones I got with the .30-06 just wandered into range and never knew I was there.

      What do you think of the .45 for wild boar? The research that I did suggests that it's not enough gun. I would love to take one with my 1911 though. I had a blast doing it with the Glock.

      --
      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    204. Re:So... by jonwil · · Score: 1

      If you say "cartoon" images of "child porn" are ok, where do you draw the line?

      You can do some pretty realistic looking computer imagery these days (just look at Lord Of The Rings or Avatar)

    205. Re:So... by aix+tom · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then don't tell them it's broken, just go "Oh, noesss!!! Those creepy scanner thingummajings destroyed my laptop!!!!" And break down in crying hysterics when they try to boot it up.

      Might keep them busy for a while, too.

    206. Re:So... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      You live in a part of the country that uses it's pistol licensing system in the same manner as the Southern States used to use poll taxes. $430 to apply for a NYC pistol license that needs to be renewed every two years. There is no possible justification for charging that much money other than to discourage handgun ownership. NYC also looks at factors that have no bearing on one's fitness to own a firearm -- they'll deny you if you've had one too many speeding tickets.

      Move to a free area and you'll find that handguns are owned for all manner of different reasons. You don't even need to leave New York State -- most Upstate jurisdictions make it as painless as possible under the Sullivan regime to get a pistol license. I live in Broome County and no issues getting one. We actually have more pistol licenses in our County (pop: 200k) than the entire City of New York (pop: 8.3 million)

      --
      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    207. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Choke Point!! (rimshot)

    208. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, what would really keep them busy are the people with multiple TB of non-porn files that they need to check through.
      Unless you're implying that 10GB of porn would keep the poor porn-starved customs agents "busy"...

    209. Re:So... by msimm · · Score: 1

      Shit, at times I think the USA is aiming to get kicked out as well.

      We'd been competing with Britain for this for a long time (who I think with the cameras had been winning) when out of nowhere comes under-dog Australia with boat-loads of crazy, which just goes to show, Kiwis are Western Cultures last hope (or was it Italy?).

      --
      Quack, quack.
    210. Re:So... by shentino · · Score: 1

      Not really.

      All they have to do is make up some bullshit excuse to confiscate it and into the sin bin it goes.

      Seizing is an order of magnitude faster than searching.

    211. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Buy netbook with 250 gig hard drive.

      2. Fill HDD with disgusting, yet legal porn videos and pictures. Think goatse, tubgirl, etc.

      3. Fly to Australia, declare your 250 gig porn stash. Encrypt it for funsies.

      4. ????

      5. Profit!

    212. Re:So... by msimm · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Repressing mans ability to express or otherwise sublimate his sexuality makes man dangerous, not better. See any large, dogmatic religious organization for further references.

      --
      Quack, quack.
    213. Re:So... by QCompson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So if I view pirated movies then I am assisting the market and encouraging the creation of more movies? Funny, the MPAA has been saying the exact opposite for years.

      But more to the point, if someone downloads CP from usenet (or similar service) and thus there is no indication to the producer/creator that it was being consumed, how is that encouraging more creation of the product?

    214. Re:So... by poptones · · Score: 1
      I could rob that bank with a knife or baseball bat if I was so inclined. Do you regard those items as dangerous?

      Sssh that's next. Actually, the UK has already taken on the task of outlawing chef's knives because no one really needs them except chefs...

      Once again australia makes the increasingly insane US look rational in comparison. What would we here in america do without you? Thanks again for proving no matter how nuts our society becomes there's another that's ready to prove things could be worse...

    215. Re:So... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      Where do you people get this stuff. First of all, do you really think that national intelligences services have nothing better to do with their time than browse my (fairly mundane) porn collection? My suggestion merely provides a perfectly honest and legal way for you to bypass having some customs good pawing through your perfectly legal pictures and movies of consenting adults performing sexual acts.

      In the second place Dropbox is located in the US, which means that to get access to my Dropbox a law enforcement agency will have to get a warrant. The PATRIOT act doesn't apply to stuff like Dropbox, that is considered my "personal" space and a warrant would be required. Since the contract I agreed to with them says that they won't give up my information unless legally required to, I can sue them if they give it up without a warrant. Regardless, of course, I still didn't recommend doing anything illegal.

      If you're suggesting that "national intelligence" services are going to crack into Dropbox in order to browse my porn collection... Well, I admit I can't control the security at Dropbox, but I rather doubt that if the CIA really wanted my data THAT badly I'd be able to protect my personal computer any better.

      Realistically, unless we're talking about storing stuff on an eternal storage device that I keep in a safe and only connect when I need the data on it, I don't see my cloud data as being any more vulnerable than any other data I own. My computer sits on the internet and is vulnerable to being cracked (not highly vulnerable, I take precautions, but vulnerable). My computer could be seized with a warrant.

      --
      I don't need a million points of light, just two points of multi-mode fiber and a 10 Gig-E router.
    216. Re:So... by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      I love shooting different types of handguns at targets. My targets are NOT people! It's a great sport.

    217. Re:So... by Digicaf · · Score: 1

      Actually, there are a lot of people who use handguns to hunt. I've known several.

    218. Re:So... by Monchanger · · Score: 1

      ...make them wonder why you're transporting an ostensibly broken laptop...

      I think you're giving security personnel a little too much credit. They're not detectives, they just follow procedures often written by some self-proclaimed "security expert" who at best has a decent understanding of physical security and at worst only convincing theater.
      It wouldn't be at all hard to convince the average customs agent you're just as clueless as them about technology. Just tell them it "broke" on vacation and you need to get it fixed ASAP because you need to turn in some work/school project. Ask if they can recommend a trustworthy local repair shop and you're set. They wouldn't suspect anything unless it becomes common for broken machines to come through and the "security expert" finally figures out it might actually be intentional. Until then they're not going to detain you while they get a geek to fix your laptop, nor are they going to confiscate your specific machine to search for contraband they have absolutely no reason to suspect it contains.

    219. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact, today is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day, so...

    220. Re:So... by QCompson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Uhh... draw the line when real-life children are involved in the production? Seems pretty common sense, since that was supposedly the reason child porn was made illegal in the first place.

    221. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In anime/manga there are adult aged women who look like little girls, maybe even act like it.... one example is Toaru Majutsu no Index. They joke about certain characters having loli bodies. How would that be classified?

    222. Re:So... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>If you don't like the laws of a country then don't go there.

      Okay. We Americans are good at this. :-)
      .

      >>>Its up to Aussie citizens to vote in people to make the laws governing them.

      Yes and as I SAID quite clearly - I don't understand why Aussies put-up with these anti-human-rights laws. I sure as hell wouldn't if I lived there. You setup a strawman argument that had nothing to do with what I originally said.

      --
      "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
    223. Re:So... by gknoy · · Score: 1

      Time well spent
      Legal choke
      Fixed that for ya
      Burma Shave. ;)

    224. Re:So... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Hence the need for a new amendment, since the Supreme Court is not doing a proper job of protecting our first, ninth, tenth, or State-level rights. "If a drawing looks like a child having sex, it's banned," should not even exist as a crime - there's no victim. Therefore we need this: The "Protect the 9th and 10th Amendments" Act. ----- Proposed Amendment XXVIII. Section 1. After a Bill has become Law, if one-half of the State legislatures declare the Law to be "unconstitutional" it shall be null and void. It shall be as if the Law never existed. Section 2. The Supreme Court will have the authority to review cases, and as part of the ruling declare these cases constitutional or unconstitutional, however the decision by the States (section 1) shall be superior. . With our current system, you first have to wait until some government arrests you for a crime (for example: owning a gun in Washington DC). Then you have to file in court to defend yourself against this unconstitutional law. In most cases you'll lose, but if you're lucky it can rise to the level of the United States' government court who may or may not declare it unconstitutional. That process took ~30 years to overturn D.C.'s unconstitutional banning of guns. With my proposed amendment, there'd be no need to wait. You (and your neighbors) could collectively instruct the State Legislature to declare the law "unconstitutional". Once 25 other legislatures have done the same, then the U.S. law would be voided. My proposed amendment would simplify the process, shorten the time that an unconstitutional law sits on the books (2-3 years, not 30), and most-importantly, not require citizens to sit in jail or waste time in the courtroom.

      --
      "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
    225. Re:So... by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

      And we thought we defeated the Taliban. Who knew they just outsourced their illiberal puritanism to the Western democratic governments?

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      Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. - Ambrose Bierce
    226. Re:So... by CorporateSuit · · Score: 0, Troll

      where do you draw the line

      He probably doesn't -- he's "progressive." If depicted, non-authentic childporn was legal, he'd argue that childporn should be legal. If childporn was legal, then he'd be spending his time arguing that having sex with children should be legal. I could even give him an argument for that! "I'm pro-choice! It's up to me to decide what to do with my body! If they let women kill babies as a woman's choice, then they should let men screw babies as a man's choice! Killing is worse than loving! Geez, what's with the social stigmas?"

      It's a poor argument, but stronger than any of his current ones. That's why it is important to use an old, common moral staple, such as the bible, to build the foundation of society's rules. Otherwise, those without a moral compass will argue for moral relativism and pretty much give you a very psychologically-disturbed (but free!) dystopia in a single generation.

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      I am the richest astronaut ever to win the superbowl.
    227. Re:So... by gknoy · · Score: 1

      The simplest solution is to somehow get porn producers within the MPAA umbrella.

      That won't sit well with many Slahdotters' decisions to boycott the MPAA. ;)

    228. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are Posix hard- and softlinks in Windows. The softlinks where introduced by Vista.
      (hehe, I said hard and soft in the context of porn, hehe. Now where did I left that My Brains folder, again? )

    229. Re:So... by caluml · · Score: 1

      "man touch", says koxkoxkox.

    230. Re:So... by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      let me re-phrase then.
      there is no real doubt what the predominate *design* use for certain firearms are.

      I'd wager that the majority* of AK47s are not in gun safes, nor used for game hunting. I'd wager they are being used for their designed purpose, shooting at people. Similar, any military weapon's designed use is combat, shooting at people.

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    231. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the second place Dropbox is located in the US, which means that to get access to my Dropbox a law enforcement agency will have to get a warrant. The PATRIOT act doesn't apply to stuff like Dropbox, that is considered my "personal" space and a warrant would be required.

      ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
      whew
      ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    232. Re:So... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      2nd attempt at post:

      Hence the need for a new amendment, since the Supreme Court is not doing a proper job of protecting our first, ninth, tenth, or State-level rights. "If a drawing looks like a child having sex, it's banned," should not even exist as a crime - there's no victim. Therefore we need this:

      The "Protect the 9th and 10th Amendments" Act.
      ----- Proposed Amendment XXVIII.
      Section 1. After a Bill has become Law, if one-half of the State legislatures declare the Law to be "unconstitutional" it shall be null and void. It shall be as if the Law never existed.
      Section 2. The Supreme Court will have the authority to review cases, and as part of the ruling declare these cases constitutional or unconstitutional, however the decision by the States (section 1) shall be superior.

      .

      With our current system, you first have to wait until some government arrests you for a crime (for example: owning a gun in Washington DC). Then you have to file in court to defend yourself against this unconstitutional law. In most cases you'll lose, but if you're lucky it can rise to the level of the United States' government court who may or may not declare it unconstitutional.

      That process took ~30 years to overturn D.C.'s unconstitutional banning of guns. With my proposed amendment, there'd be no need to wait. You (and your neighbors) could collectively instruct the State Legislature to declare the law "unconstitutional". Once 25 other legislatures have done the same, then the U.S. law would be voided.

      My proposed amendment would simplify the process, shorten the time that an unconstitutional law sits on the books (2-3 years, not 30), and most-importantly, not require citizens to sit in jail or waste time in the courtroom.

      --
      "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
    233. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interestingly you listed countries using a Common Law based legal systems. The "rest of the West" are using Roman Law based systems which have been adapted even in few countries in the Middle East and South America in the form of Napoleon's Code Civil and the German Bürgerlichen Gesetzbuch Deutschlands derived systems. Apparently, Japan was using the Roman Law based system as well, all the way to the end of the WW2.

    234. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Westernized Culture Club

      This just makes me think of Boy George in a cowboy outfit. *shudder*

    235. Re:So... by Dhalka226 · · Score: 1

      Because you totally need to bring a hard drive into the country to bring along CP, you can't use those newfangled technologies like encrypted network connections and proxies to get around it.

      Look, I don't support this rule at all. I think it's ridiculous on so many levels. But come on! You're giving the average criminal way too much credit.

      Can he use encrypted network connections and proxies to get around it? Of course. Will the average criminal even have any idea what encrypted network connections or proxies ARE, much less how to go about setting up and using one? I very much doubt it. "But but but we can't catch everybody, only 90%!" is a pretty lame reason for not doing something.

      This law/rule should be thrown out because it is invasive, time consuming, ineffective, has the potential to hurt them economically (business travelers with secure data, etc), ill-defined and any number of other things. A handful of people who could get around it with a proxy isn't one of them.

    236. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With quite a few exceptions.
      you obviously know very little about handgun use.

      Maybe you should take a glance at the United States Practical Shooting Association or the International Practical Shooting Confederation. And while you're at it, you can check into some local hunting laws and realize there are numerous people that use handguns to hunt, rather than long guns or archery.

      so quit getting your gun information from your copy of Red Dead Redemption.

    237. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose you've never heard of a tank? Albeit not a typical civilian vehicle, it's still a vehicle that has one specific purpose.

    238. Re:So... by toriver · · Score: 1

      Why do you think the strict interpretations present in Salafism, Wahhabism etc. are practiced in other Muslim countries? Apart from in Saudi-Arabia and Yemen there is hardly any such bans on portraying humans in the Muslim world. Heck, haven't you seen all the people waving placards with pictures of Khomeini in Iran?

    239. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention, most people who have visited porn sites on the internet either intentionally, by an errant click on some spam, or visiting /. without knowing what goatse means have images in their internet cache.

      You can confidently declare that you have no porn on your computer, only to find out after a thorough search that you have enough to get you into trouble without even meaning to.

      If I were working Aussie customs and saw the goatse guy, I would arrest the laptop owner as soon as I got finished cleaning up all the vomit.

    240. Re:So... by treeves · · Score: 1

      Reading comprehension failure. Her apparent age (that of a *14 yr old*) has not changed in the last twelve years.

      --
      ...the future crusty old bastards are already drinking the Kool-Aid.
    241. Re:SO... by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Oh, I know it when I see it. ;-)

      PS - I'm planning on being the next SCOTUS nominee, so I'm brushing up on my high court history.

      --
      Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
    242. Re:So... by John+Meacham · · Score: 1

      It depends on the jurisdiction. Some places have laws that say _everyone_ in a party buying alcohol must be 21, not just the person buying it. Pretty silly actually since it is trivial to work around. It really only catches people from out of town who are surprised by it.

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    243. Re:So... by access.name · · Score: 1

      What if I declare that I have no porn in my laptop, and then they find pictures of my kids taking a bath, and they happen to be (gasp!) naked? Simple nudity of minors is regarded as child porn if I'm not mistaken, (several parents had trouble with this in the past, when going to a photo-processing stores).

    244. Re:So... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      So, I guess if I go to Australia and read the "Are you carrying any pornography?" question I'll answer "No", even though I'll be thinking "I'll bet there's someone somewhere in this bizarre world that regards something in my rather mundane photo collection as pornography." Come to think of it, I do have some pictures of the Venus de Milo [wikipedia.org] on the laptop right now, so maybe I should answer "Yes"?

      Come to think of it, do you have your browser set up to cache images?

    245. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shit, at times I think the USA is aiming to get kicked out as well.

      /p

      We are. We are starting our own club and no one else is good enough to join it!

    246. Re:So... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      That's not what "journalling FS" actually means.

    247. Re:So... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      The point is well made that if there was no market for child porn (or indeed any sort of porn) then there would be far fewer people, if any, making it. Being a consumer of a 'good' creates a market that needs to be fed, hence it can be argued that by being a viewer of CP you are assisting the 'market' (as a consumer) and therefore encourage the creation of more 'product', which in this case involves the abuse of minors.

      What you describe still cannot in any way, shape or form be called "protecting people from child pornography", though.

    248. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cartoon images of "child porn" are treated in Australia as though they were photographs.

      see: http://machinegunkeyboard.com/?p=565

    249. Re:So... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Maybe the Japanese should leave their kiddie porn at home when they travel to the West?

      The problem with this law is that it's much easier to forget about some piece of what you call "kiddie porn" (which, TBH, isn't really that) around that it is with a gun. Among other things, there's stuff such as browser caches. Also, I wonder, if a file can be recovered using "undelete"-type programs, will it be treated as present under the law? After all, if they don't do that, then the obvious way to smuggle in porn would be to delete it before crossing the border, and then undelete after. But how many casual users would even be aware that deleting a file is not good enough?

      It's a bad and evil law, as simple as that. Yeah, Aussies have a right to enact such laws, being sovereign and all... which shouldn't stop anyone from pointing a finger at them and laughing out loud at the stupidity being demonstrated here.

    250. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In America, pictures of Mohammed are legal. People don't want to broadcast them because they are afraid of death threats, not because it is illegal. You would not go to jail for merely possessing them.

    251. Re:So... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I'd imagine they'll use the average for all underage female population at any given point to decide. Which means that the minimal permitted size will slowly be increasing, what with puberty coming earlier and earlier in every new generation and all.

      I also wonder when they'll start to classify any porn involving females of any age without pubic hair as child porn. It would be the next logical step along these lines.

      And, hey, any gay porn where the guys don't have hair on the chest? Perverts!

    252. Re:So... by the_one(2) · · Score: 5, Informative

      You should never do shit like: "tar -czvf archive.tgz ~/porndir;rm -rf ~/porndir". If the tar command fails (out of space, no permission and so on) you will lose your entire porn collection! Use && instead of ;

    253. Re:So... by gentlemen_loser · · Score: 1

      If you live in a free country find a handgun range and go observe for awhile. You might be surprised at the range of applications for them.

      Come again? You point the weapon at something, pull the trigger, and it makes a hole causing damage. There are other intended applications?

    254. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You casually walk in to a bank with a gun to rob the place. I casually pull my gun out and shoot you because you are now threatening my life with a gun. The difference is that I protected myself, the employees, and the other patrons of my bank, and you are a bad guy.

      In China, normal people can't get guns, and they have had 5 school mass stabbings in 2 months. It's not the guns, it's the criminals.

    255. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you think the strict interpretations present in Salafism, Wahhabism etc. are practiced in other Muslim countries?

      Because Islam is all one big monolithic and homogeneous belief system that's practiced identically everywhere worldwide, duh! Just like Christiani- hey, wait...

    256. Re:So... by orient · · Score: 1

      One should keep a softporn image (from Playboy, maybe) on the desktop and declare it. This way one will be covered for the eventual images from pop-ups cached by the browser.

      --
      Laudele lor desigur m-ar mahni peste masura.
    257. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cartoons of Mohammed are legal in all civilized countries.

    258. Re:So... by erkkituo · · Score: 1

      ...or leave everything on it but store anything considered illegal in a hidden encrypted volume. I find TrueCrypt quite useful for this purpose. I assume they don't want to spend months cracking your pc open.

      --
      Don't pursue an engineering degree. It'll only make all your elderly relatives think you can master any technology.
    259. Re:So... by Chess+Piece+Face · · Score: 1

      Your numbers logic is still crap. People drive every day, shoot much less often. Most auto fatalities are unintentional, reverse that for shooting deaths. The ratio of shooting deaths:guns fired is astronomically higher than auto deaths:miles driven.

      Also, very few people own more than two cars whereas gun collectors are much more prevalent.

    260. Re:So... by InfoJunkie777 · · Score: 1

      Slightly off topic. Guess I should check out Dropbox. MS Skydrive specifically prohibits porn and even nudity of any kind accoding to thier TOS.

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      Don't explain computers to laymen. Simpler to explain sex to a virgin. -- Robert A. Heinlein
    261. Re:So... by dwpro · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the original reply should have qualifed that. Handguns are not "typically" used for shooting people either (far more rounds are shot at inanimate objects and animals than humans), but that's apparently irrelevant, because guns are bad (except for the police, of course.)

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      Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon. -- Susan Ertz
    262. Re:So... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Yes. Pictures of women over 18 with small breasts are illegal on the grounds that it is "virtual child pornography":

      http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/australia-bans-small-breasts/

      Please note that in our country the Australian Classification Board does not have any legislative powers. They can exclusively ban material from sale and that's where their ability to regulate content ends. It is perfectly legal to own pornography depecting women over 18 with small breasts, and it is legal to buy it overseas and have it shipped in, as well bring it through customs.

      The banning of media content is something that falls under the powers of the State not the Federation. For example the book of American Psycho was banned by the Office of Film and Literature Classification. Additionally the state of Queensland passed a law specifically putting this book on a restricted items register. The result is it's perfectly legal to buy the book overseas, even just on Amazon and have it shipped to you providing you don't live in Queensland. If you travel to Queensland with the book and you get sprung by an unusually switched on cop then you're screwed for carrying a restricted item.

    263. Re:So... by InfoJunkie777 · · Score: 1

      Checked out the link. Muy interesante. It is SO sad about the 1979 revolution. Yeah, the Shah was a dick but life for the Iranian people was FAR better. I feel sorry for the Iranians. They need a new government and new leaders, and to throw the asshole Mullahs back to the 7th century where they belong!

      --
      Don't explain computers to laymen. Simpler to explain sex to a virgin. -- Robert A. Heinlein
    264. Re:So... by westlake · · Score: 1

      Because you totally need to bring a hard drive into the country to bring along CP, you can't use those newfangled technologies like encrypted network connections and proxies to get around it.

      To take this idea a step further:

      Tell me why you need or want to access anything as toxic as your child pornography stash while traveling abroad.

      You risk charges of possession. You risk charges of smuggling.

      You just might be asked if you have been in town shopping around for something more than a photograph.

      The geek tends to approach a problem like this with narrowly technical solutions, which he trusts altogether too much.

      They need to be air-tight.

      If you caught moving anything of this sort "by wire" you will probably be escalated to a "federal" charge. That is not good news in the states. In the fundamentalist Islamic Republic....
         

    265. Re:So... by EdIII · · Score: 1

      Are they going to grow up in later life and abuse other cartoon people?

      I dunnnooo. Look at SpongeBob Squarepants. Flips burgers for a living, can't get a driver's license, and has a retarded pink starfish for a friend. I think the whole thing is an act and we will eventually find him abusing small anchovies in the park in a couple of years.

      Seriously. Something wrong with that dude.

    266. Re:So... by alexo · · Score: 1

      Actually, competitive pistol-shooting is quite popular is some circles. Including the Olympic Games.

      That's five circles right there!

    267. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They aren't searching for porn, they are searching for anything that goes against whatever it is that our Jewish 'masters' want.
      Who is behind all these laws? The eternal Jew.
      Who wants to silence all dissent? The eternal Jew.
      Who wants to put you in prison for merely saying the word "Jew"? The eternal Jew.

      Just start a conversation with anybody you know, and say "What's the first thing that comes into your head when I say the following word? Jew." and watch their face. We have all been conditioned, by the media, to be in awe and also terrified of the word "Jew".

    268. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if you do declare you have some porn on your laptop?

    269. Re:So... by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      They are a sovereign nation (OK lets ignore that Queen they have in living on the other side of the planet) can outlaw whatever art they feel like. They can cut off the hand of someone who breaks their laws and they can send someone break rocks in jail for breaking their laws.

      That they are a democracy only further legitimizes their authority to do so.

    270. Re:So... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Now you say that, I checked Dropbox's policy and I'm not clear. The way I originally read it you aren't supposed to put porn in your "public" folder (Dropbox allows you to put files in a public folder that the world can see, for stuff you want to share), but I could have misread the legalese. On the other hand, since everything in your non-public folders is private and they specifically state that they don't look at it, I don't suppose anyone could tell. Probably more like one of those "we aren't going to look, but if we find out later we'll cancel your account" situations.

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      I don't need a million points of light, just two points of multi-mode fiber and a 10 Gig-E router.
    271. Re:So... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Religion says no != illegal.

      If it IS so, then I say said religion/government relationship ITSELF is illegal.

      --
      For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
    272. Re:So... by Danse · · Score: 1

      They say they didn't enter with it. The filter prevents them from getting it while there. So they either worked to circumvent the filter for the sole purpose of CP, or they lied on entry.

      That assumes that the filter actually works, and we all know that there's really no filter out there that actually does.

      --
      It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
    273. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thing about the pedobears is, they don't care. They consider it a public service, like the day zero scene releasers in the torrent world. Also, I think the reason people like yours truly keep evoking the piracy metaphor is beacuse that's what this will inevitably be used for at some point. God forbid you should have pirated porn, they'll put you away for life.

    274. Re:So... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      No, you don't have to accept and obey the local law.

      You do, however, have to accept the consequences for your decision.

      --
      For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
    275. Re:So... by bbn · · Score: 1

      Which is why in many countries, you are allowed to own a gun for harmless recreation. Of course, you are required to leave the gun at the shooting range, and can not bring it with you when you go shopping.

    276. Re:So... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I've been to Australia and talked to some people who run ISPs there. Their response was "it prevents you from accidentally running across it, so if you have it on your computer, even in cache, you should go to jail." They know you can get around it, but they think that trying to get around it should itself be criminal, and they do have a large amount of faith in it.

      So "should" arguments are irrelevant when compared with the actual mental states of the people who are there. They are the ones making the filter, enforcing the filter, and prosecuting those who are found to have content they shouldn't and had to go around the filter to get it.

    277. Re:So... by MortimerGraves · · Score: 1

      And one man's porn is another man's art....

      Which lead the additional scenario of:

      1) Declaring "Yes, I have porn" on the form.
      2) Having Customs search your laptop.
      3) Having Customs decide that the artistic nudes on said laptop do NOT constitute porn.
      4) Discovering that you have falsified your customs declaration. :)

    278. Re:So... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      as they have little value as game rifles (i.e. AK47, AR15/M16, etc.)

      The AR-15 fires the .223 Remington, which is just what the doctor ordered for many types of varmint hunting. Ever hunted woodchucks?

      --
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      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    279. Re:So... by MortimerGraves · · Score: 1

      "leads to"... *sigh* and after previewing several times... :)

    280. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (hehe, I said hard and soft in the context of porn, hehe. Now where did I left that My Brains folder, again? )

      Holy crap! You're writing LISP :)

    281. Re:So... by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing he meant a handgun. When was the last time you'd gone hunting with a glock pistol?

      Actually a Glock over .35 caliber, even being semi-auto, can be legally used for deer hunting in Michigan in the appropriate portion of the season.

      From: http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10366_37141_37706-31578--,00.html

      "A conventional (smokeless powder) handgun must be .35 caliber or larger and loaded with straight-walled cartridges and may be single- or multiple-shot but cannot exceed a maximum capacity of nine rounds in the barrel and magazine combined."

      Much deer hunting in Michigan occurs at ranges less than 50 yards in dense, heavily-overgrown copses with thick underbrush that makes a pistol a better hunting tool. It's hard to swing a full-length rifle or shotgun around when you're in thick underbrush or in a small hunter's tree-stand, and the shorter range also makes a pistol a good hunting choice in those scenarios.

      Strat

      --
      Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
    282. Re:So... by Danse · · Score: 1

      And just what do you know about guns

      Enough to know that banning guns won't solve anything, and that while you can point to a legitimate use for almost anything (i.e. BitTorrent and linux distros), there is no real doubt what the predominate use for certain firearms are.

      Predominant use? Do you have any idea how many handguns there are in the US alone? Now how often are they used to kill people? Do the math. They're kept for self defense primarily, and rarely have to actually be fired at another person.

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      It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
    283. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'll help you get that legal the second you can get cartoons of Mohammed legal."

      Pictures of mohammed (oh great and wondering dickhead!) are legal. Just because some idiot myth-believers say otherwise does not magically make it law.

    284. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Mohammed was a PAEDOPHILE. Does that make a cartoon of him doubly bad?

      (Clue: www.prophetofdoom.net)

    285. Re:So... by Danse · · Score: 1

      I don't consider mere anecdotal evidence to be sufficient to prove that the filter can always prevent an unwanted image from appearing on your screen. With all the tricks and changes in technology we see on the net, it's just a matter of time before someone figures out how to slip ads or emails past this filter.

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      It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
    286. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I were doing a quick search of traveler's laptops, the very first thing I would type into a bash shell on a linux laptop would be "history".

    287. Re:So... by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      ha ha ha... I was thinking more along the lines of a nice open "porn" folder in "My Pictures" (because if you have linux they won't likely be able to search, and instead just confiscate your notebook). In said folder I'll place pictures of all the different dismembered electronics bits (Geek Porn), and one rick roll video.

      I was thinking more along the lines that Goatse, Lemonparty, and Hitler's face photoshopped onto naked women's bodies all constitute porn. Really, after an eyefull of that, they're not gonna go looking for my real porn folder.

    288. Re:So... by InfoJunkie777 · · Score: 1

      I DID read the legalese, one of the side-benefits of my job as a mortgage originator. Dropbox can monitor ANY folder. One cannot put of copyrighted material. Nor SPAM. Nor "obscene, pornographic of offensive" material.

      --
      Don't explain computers to laymen. Simpler to explain sex to a virgin. -- Robert A. Heinlein
    289. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Porn is legal in Australia. This is a ruse by our government to get you to lie on your forms.

      You know how China does business? Everything is illegal. In doing business you are sure to cross an obscure line of law, then they have leverage over you (potential jail term).

      A bit disturbing that a popup ad image in your temp cache could land you in hot water.

    290. Re:So... by Skapare · · Score: 1

      (Score:-2147483648, Stupidest post ever seen on Slashdot)

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      now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
    291. Re:So... by fabs64 · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure the small breasted thing is just RC, ie not to be imported, not child porn.

      The classification board comes out with weird shit like that every now and then just to remind us they're still there.

    292. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Obviously, it's not. That's merely a justification used for the laws.

    293. Re:So... by Skapare · · Score: 1

      My guns have been shot 99+% of their shooting time at pieces of hanging paper with circles drawn on them. But I guess that will just piss off the tree huggers because of all the paper wasted.

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    294. Re:So... by yukk · · Score: 1

      "I'll bet there's someone somewhere in this bizarre world that regards something in my rather mundane photo collection as pornography." Come to think of it, I do have some pictures of the Venus de Milo on the laptop right now, so maybe I should answer "Yes"?

      Yep. Better be careful. Venus De Milo too racy

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    295. Re:So... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I don't consider mere anecdotal evidence to be sufficient to prove that the filter can always prevent an unwanted image from appearing on your screen.

      And if you aren't in Australia, your personal opinion about what their legal system should and shouldn't consider is irrelevant. You seem to be arguing about what "should" happen when I'm telling you what *is* happening.

    296. Re:So... by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Apparently so. But that's why god made encryption.

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    297. Re:So... by quantumphaze · · Score: 1

      They wouldn't suspect anything unless it becomes common for broken machines to come through and the "security expert" finally figures out it might actually be intentional.

      Say it's running Vista and they won't even blink an eye.

    298. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All it would take is one person with 10GB of porn to keep them busy for a couple hours.

      Imagine the fun you could have with a planeload of people carrying shopping bags of SD cards full of jpg's :)

      But in seriousness, this is just a political stunt from the federal government. There's an election coming up and KRudd needs to win the support of enough interest groups to get himself another term in government. Same thing with the interenet filters... doesn't matter if it works, just matters if it wins the support of the conservatives. He's using whatever policies he can to convince retirees and people who believe in the all powerful easter bunny that he's the right congenial figurehead for the nation.

    299. Re:So... by Danse · · Score: 1

      I don't consider mere anecdotal evidence to be sufficient to prove that the filter can always prevent an unwanted image from appearing on your screen. And if you aren't in Australia, your personal opinion about what their legal system should and shouldn't consider is irrelevant. You seem to be arguing about what "should" happen when I'm telling you what *is* happening.

      Now you're not making any sense. You said that the filter keeps you from seeing any porn while you're in Australia, but there's really no reason to believe that.

      Filters don't work. They never have. You're trying to say that this one does. I'm saying there's no real evidence of that, and given the track record of filtering software, it's going to take more than anecdotal evidence to prove that it works.

      What's the point? The point is that if you're making the assumption that porn can't be accidentally viewed in Australia, you need some basis for that assumption. I haven't seen one.

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    300. Re:So... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Tough shit. My handgun is completely legal the United States. If I take it into another country where it's not legal I'm going to be charged.

      I cant speak for all nations on earth but...

      If you accidentally bring your 100% legal in the US handgun into Australia in your luggage AQIS (Australian Quarantine and Inspection Services) will just confiscate it, they wont arrest or charge you. People accidentally bring in things that are illegal in Australia all the time, it's AQIS's job to remove the threat, which more often then not are the items not the person. If you bring in 10 handguns then you'll be charged. If you would like to bring your handgun, contact the Australian Customs Service for assistance and details on how to legally import a firearm (handguns are not illegal here but you will need a permit to bring one into the country).

      The same may happen with Porn but in truth, this law has been around for decades but hasn't been enforced in almost as long. AQIS doesn't give a crap about porn or "Refused Classification" material. These guys deal with 100's of tourists from Bali, Thailand and other SE Asian destinations who bring back untold numbers of pirated DVD's including hardcore porn (like that's hard to find in Thailand). AQIS is more concerned about finding illegal drugs, illegal firearms and foreign diseases and pests.

      Personally I've gone through customs where they've pulled out prescription drugs like Xanax which I didn't declare (let alone have a script for) with the only repercussion was to be told "these aren't illegal". This is a political thing, with each government seemingly becoming more and more extremist. I've written to Customs and to my MP but I doubt anything will come of it, the law will continue to be ignored as it always have.

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    301. Re:So... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Handguns (with some exceptions, of course) are not typically used for either of those things.

      As much as I disagree with the GP, in Australia a handgun is a popular choice for "sport shooting". Granted in Australia this definition ranges from competitive pistol shooting to the guy who just likes to squeeze off a few rounds every now and then.

      Sport shooting is all good and well, I used to and to some extent still fit in this category (sold my guns years ago when I started studying again but I can hire one at the range with no problems). It's the "I need my gun for defence" idiocy that I disagree with. I'm quite happy to say that I have never felt I needed a firearm for defence, if you feel otherwise then perhaps you are living in the wrong kind of society.

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    302. Re:So... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Now you're not making any sense. You said that the filter keeps you from seeing any porn while you're in Australia, but there's really no reason to believe that.

      No. I'm arguing that the belief is that it does. If you have something on your computer, you either lied to get it in, or you got it while there. Since you can't (according to the Australians) accidentally run across it on the Internet because of the filter, then you had to specifically work hard to get the illegal material, and so you should go to jail.

      What's the point? The point is that if you're making the assumption that porn can't be accidentally viewed in Australia, you need some basis for that assumption. I haven't seen one.

      Again, what you think is irrelevant to Australia. If they believe it, it's true. Just like radar speed measures in the US. Unless you can prove the device is broken, it is assumed to be perfect. Perfect is obviously not an obtainable state, yet the courts in the USA have determined that radar speed measure is beyond reproach, unless there is some specific problem with some specific unit which the defendant can prove in a court of law. It's not a logical or realistic state of affairs, but it is the reality of the state of affairs.

      This is similar. It doesn't matter if it's true, it just matters if the people who matter believe it to be. That your opinion disagrees with theirs is irrelevant. Their opinion is law, and yours is inconsequential.

    303. Re:So... by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      In the US, our right to guns is so we can have them to kill people, not sports or hunting.

    304. Re:So... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. She looks 14 now, and is age 14, and looked 14 12 years ago, when she was 2.

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    305. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why was this modded "informative?" This is the funniest fucking post I've seen on slashdot in several years!

    306. Re:So... by garaged · · Score: 1

      I feel much better not being the only one with the WTF kind of look to the parent's post

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    307. Re:So... by rabiddeity · · Score: 1

      Nah dude, \pr0n is a new escape character.

    308. Re:So... by Danse · · Score: 1

      What's the point? The point is that if you're making the assumption that porn can't be accidentally viewed in Australia, you need some basis for that assumption. I haven't seen one. Again, what you think is irrelevant to Australia. If they believe it, it's true. Just like radar speed measures in the US. Unless you can prove the device is broken, it is assumed to be perfect. Perfect is obviously not an obtainable state, yet the courts in the USA have determined that radar speed measure is beyond reproach, unless there is some specific problem with some specific unit which the defendant can prove in a court of law. It's not a logical or realistic state of affairs, but it is the reality of the state of affairs. This is similar. It doesn't matter if it's true, it just matters if the people who matter believe it to be. That your opinion disagrees with theirs is irrelevant. Their opinion is law, and yours is inconsequential.

      The radar gun example is not the same thing. They have been overwhelmingly demonstrated to work when used properly. Internet filters have been demonstrated, repeatedly, to be significantly flawed, even when used properly.

      Australians can think what they want. It doesn't make them right, it just means they can arrest you anyway.

      Depending on how their justice system works, it may be possible to prove that the filter failed by simply determining where the image was downloaded from and then visiting that same link and showing that the image gets displayed again, despite the filter. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see that happen, as we've seen such demonstrations with every filter that's come before.

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    309. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, my porn collection actually consists of videos of strip searches.

    310. Re:So... by thebagel · · Score: 1

      Whoosh!

    311. Re:So... by John+Saffran · · Score: 1

      I imagine this could have serious consequences for Japanese and other Asian travelers were images of child porn (i.e. anime and manga) are perfectly legal.

      Maybe in japan child porn anime is legal, I doubt it'd be the same elsewhere ..

    312. Re:So... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The radar gun example is not the same thing. They have been overwhelmingly demonstrated to work when used properly. Internet filters have been demonstrated, repeatedly, to be significantly flawed, even when used properly.

      You are wrong. I've seen a number of web filters that work great. When you have a white-list web filter, you get things from those sites and nothing else. Have you ever seen one of those that failed? You seem to drift in and out of talking about the specifics of the situation vs theoretical stances. Sure Australia's filter will let things through, but it makes the difference to them of whether it's accidental or purposeful for running across something.

      Australians can think what they want. It doesn't make them right, it just means they can arrest you anyway.

      And you can think whatever you like. That doesn't make you right either. Oh, and RADAR is fundamentally flawed. Ever try to get a reading from a motorcycle in front of a large truck? Doesn't work. And two adjacent vehicles will often return the faster speed, even if the slower vehicle is the one being directly aimed at, leading to a report of an incorrect speed for the targeted vehicle. But no, it's obviously perfect, both theoretically and practically, and filters can't ever work, no matter how they are implemented.

      Depending on how their justice system works, it may be possible to prove that the filter failed by simply determining where the image was downloaded from and then visiting that same link and showing that the image gets displayed again, despite the filter. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see that happen, as we've seen such demonstrations with every filter that's come before.

      Like I said, it's like a radar gun. The filter is presumed perfect until you prove otherwise. You've never said anything that contradicts me, just things that agree with me. You just agree violently or change the subject to your opinion about how things should work, rather than my discussion about how things actually work.

    313. Re:So... by DeathElk · · Score: 1

      Hmm, most geeks I know couldn't possibly wait the 192 hours required to untar their collection once they get to the hotel :(

    314. Re:So... by laddiebuck · · Score: 1

      Just try sticking the place up with a baseball or a knife. Seriously, listen to yourself.

      And to the clown who brought up shooting sports: you do know those got started shooting animals? For that matter, guns were developed for killing people. It's not a case of ploughshares into swords, face facts: guns were always intended for violence.

    315. Re:So... by Meski · · Score: 1

      Let's all say yes, and make them look at endless family slideshows, scripted to run slowly through powerpoint only.

    316. Re:So... by Meski · · Score: 1

      Which state? This would be federal, most likely.

    317. Re:So... by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1

      Eh... it may not be illegal to posess [sic] but I suspect that it is illegal to import without a license

      Huh what? Sorry, but I think you have not thought this through. Exactly what do you think you need a license for? Naked photos of your wife or girlfriend? Really? Why don't you do a bare minimum of research, or even apply some common sense, before you 'suspect' things on a public discussion board.

    318. Re:So... by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1

      Ignore the GP. The situation in Australia, with a "Refused Classification" status that is in a no-mans land of being not illegal but cannot be bought, shown publically etc is quite bizarre and probably unique in the civilized world.

    319. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not far off. Melbourne, the city where I live, have recently introduced wildly inaccurate liquor licencing fees which are forcing a lot of low key live music venues to shut down. Yet more batshit insane laws that try to 'Take back our streets' and 'curb violence' but it's just nonsense. One that had to shut down (that is thankfully reopening but under a new licensee) was the Tote. Since it opened 30 years ago there have been as few as 3 violent incidents in the whole time, the local police love the place as a virtual haven of safety, yet it has been judged as a high-risk venue by the Liquor Licencing Board... the same as violent strip clubs in the city that see people stabbed nigh on every weekend.

      So don't think they haven't TRIED to ban music here. 20,000 live musicians and supporters rolled up to Parliament's doorsteps... granted that has done nothing at all, it was quite a peaceful and clear message.

    320. Re:So... by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1

      Come to think of it, I do have some pictures of the Venus de Milo on the laptop right now, so maybe I should answer "Yes"?

      No, unlike the USA, Australia doesn't subscribe to a paranoid fear of naked breasts. If it was in an explicitly erotic pose then perhaps it might hit some soft-core porn classification, but it would have to be quite provocative. Unless it is in a sexual context, bare breasts are fine.

      It is quite funny, in the periodic "laugh at those crazy Americans and their breast hysteria" segment on the Australian TV news, they have no hesitation in showing the details up close, in prime time.

      Of course, Australia is quite middle-of-the-road here. In Scandinavia you'll often see full frontal (male as well as female) nudity on prime time TV. Some cultures have a better grasp of the difference between nakedness and sex than others.

    321. Re:So... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      You do realize we've moved to journaling file systems for quite some time, now? It would be fairly trivial to find out when a particular file was around.

      You're thinking of versioning file systems, which aren't in mainstream use. Journaling file systems are merely those that don't need lengthy recovery in case of failure, since all updates are done in atomic transactions.

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    322. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you drew your handgun? your analogy is FAIL

      lol guns = manga = child porn

    323. Re:So... by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1

      I've been to Australia and talked to some people who run ISPs there...

      Very interesting. Can you remember which ISP's? it is very curious, because while many of the large ISP's are going along with it because they don't want to upset the Government, many of their own technical people, and some smaller ISP's, have come out firmly against it.

      So "should" arguments are irrelevant when compared with the actual mental states of the people who are there. They are the ones making the filter

      No, the people making the filter are not ISP's, it is ACMA.

      enforcing the filter,

      Ok, that is probably the ISP, but not through choice.

      prosecuting those who are found to have content they shouldn't and had to go around the filter to get it.

      That would be the police, who are generally clueless. But as far as I know there is no suggestion that circumventing the filter will be illegal. The vast bulk of "Refused Classification" material that the filter will trap is not, in fact, illegal to possess, and if anyone can work around the filter and get at this stuff then there is nothing that the authorities can do about it.

    324. Re:So... by Lunzo · · Score: 1

      I don't think it ever went to a vote. It's just non-elected bureaucrats coming up with this nonsense. If it was voted on there was absolutely no media coverage before the vote.

      Both major parties in Australia are socially conservative. It's only in monetary policy that they differ, and even then not substantially. There are currently only The Greens and some independents that actively stand up for civil liberties in their parties' platforms.

    325. Re:So... by Danse · · Score: 1

      The radar gun example is not the same thing. They have been overwhelmingly demonstrated to work when used properly. Internet filters have been demonstrated, repeatedly, to be significantly flawed, even when used properly.

      You are wrong. I've seen a number of web filters that work great. When you have a white-list web filter, you get things from those sites and nothing else. Have you ever seen one of those that failed? You seem to drift in and out of talking about the specifics of the situation vs theoretical stances. Sure Australia's filter will let things through, but it makes the difference to them of whether it's accidental or purposeful for running across something.

      Oh, my mistake. I thought it was understood that I was referring to the type of filter that is actually being used rather than a type that would be utterly infeasible for the purposes of filtering the net for an entire country (aside from, say, N. Korea). White lists are not content filters, they're content source filters.

      Australians can think what they want. It doesn't make them right, it just means they can arrest you anyway.

      And you can think whatever you like. That doesn't make you right either. Oh, and RADAR is fundamentally flawed. Ever try to get a reading from a motorcycle in front of a large truck? Doesn't work. And two adjacent vehicles will often return the faster speed, even if the slower vehicle is the one being directly aimed at, leading to a report of an incorrect speed for the targeted vehicle.

      Like I said, they work when used properly. Thanks for pointing out situations in which they should not be relied upon.

      But no, it's obviously perfect, both theoretically and practically, and filters can't ever work, no matter how they are implemented.

      Not with the technology we have today, no. White lists are what you fall back on when you realize you can't make a real working content filter. In a case like this white lists are completely unmanageable and not an option.

      Depending on how their justice system works, it may be possible to prove that the filter failed by simply determining where the image was downloaded from and then visiting that same link and showing that the image gets displayed again, despite the filter. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see that happen, as we've seen such demonstrations with every filter that's come before.

      Like I said, it's like a radar gun. The filter is presumed perfect until you prove otherwise. You've never said anything that contradicts me, just things that agree with me. You just agree violently or change the subject to your opinion about how things should work, rather than my discussion about how things actually work.

      Radar guns aren't presumed perfect though, since, as you say, they have well-known weaknesses. If you're in such a situation, you can easily make the argument that the gun should not be relied upon, and you'll likely win in the absence of other evidence against you.

      When it comes to internet filters, they should certainly not be relied upon, as it's been shown time and again that they can't reliably block all unwanted content. Anyone that claims it is perfect is a liar or an idiot, since there's never been a content filter shown to actually work properly and completely. Never. So it's just your word that it is presumed perfect. I'd like to see what Australian government officials make that claim, just so I'll have an idea of who to point out as the major problems within the Australian government. Anyone that dumb or corrupt should be called out as such.

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    326. Re:So... by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      That is true. But again, unless you have some kind of commercial quantity of the stuff sitting completely on physical media in your luggage, you aren't even going to get searched in the first place. Take a trip here and see what I mean - customs is really only interested in making sure you aren't bringing in food that could be harbouring pests and disease that we don't have on this continent. They don't have the time to care about this kind of stuff. Hell, they barely even enforce the import duty/duty free allowances.

    327. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone who doesn't know that words can have more than one popular meaning should cut back on the snark. That the word "west" was capitalised should have been a clue as to which meaning the original poster intended.

    328. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You try casually walking into a bank with a ford mustang concealed on your person before donning a clown mask and sticking the place up..

      That's one use for a gun.

      How about the task of simultaneously killing a large group of people? A silly hand-gun isn't of much use for that task. Much more effective to acquire a large van with a nice engine and run the people over.

      The degree of dangerousness in a particular item depends on the intended use for it in combination with the determination of the user.

      Fact is, a gun's primary (and arguably only real) function is to shoot (at) people, a motor vehicle's primary function isnt running people over..

      True. And utterly irrelevant.

      Fact is, a typical motor vehicle's potential destructive power is vastly greater than that of a typical gun, in general.

    329. Re:So... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Sad, and incomplete, but true ...
      There has been one of those weird-but-true stories going around for a number of years now of a Briton (I think) being charged for committing an indecent act with the pavement. I forget the details, but it was something like being caught by the police masturbating himself against the footpath, again.
      Googling the complete story (or even Snopes-ing it), is left as an exercise for the prurient reader.

      (I'm almost glad that I spelt prurient wrongly! The first time.)

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    330. Re:So... by stub667 · · Score: 1

      The article is not 'just clarifying that customs officers have the right to search your laptop'. It is also pointing out that now you need to declare if you have pornography when entering the country, and if you say yes, will need to go through the 'something to declare' lanes and answer questions about your pornography.

      Do I want customs officials to be asking me leading and ambiguous questions like 'Where did you obtain your pornography?', 'Are you sure your pornography contains no images of people under 18 years old?', 'Is any of your pornography of a violent nature, simulated or real?', 'Does your pornography depict sexual acts with animals, living or dead?', 'Does your pornography contain images of people who look under 16 years of age?'. And I certainly don't want people poking through my porn collection. Sure, now I'm aware of this I can avoid it but a) that just points out how silly it is and b) I shouldn't have to go to the bother and c) don't like where these laws are leading.

      And if you say no, and your laptop is searched anyway, there is now grounds to keep you out of the country.

      As an Australian citizen, I certainly don't want to be interrogated like this. As an Australian citizen, I don't want guests visiting my country to be interrogated like this.

    331. Re:So... by caroboom · · Score: 1

      >A national firewall is clearly not going to block popular cloud storage providers. eh, actually, I just noticed China seems to be blocking dropbox now....

    332. Re:So... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      This thread is old now, so I don't expect any moderation on this post. This is for your benefit only.

      I despise the idea of any kind of sexual abuse. Adult, child, animal, whatever. It's your body, your right to do with it as you see fit, and nobody should be able to take that right from you. Sexual offences are some of the worst imaginable, and I wish nothing but harm to those who force themselves on another being.

      Now, please tell me which of the fictional, imaginary, non-corporeal, totally digital images has the ability to be emotionally, mentally, or physically distressed by anything else occurring within the scene. Are imaginary characters even capable of an emotional response?

      You're anthropomorphising an imaginary being. They are not real. The act is not real. CGI movies, drawings, cartoons are not real. Nothing in the picture is real. If you have a problem with this concept, you're not living in reality, and should probably seek professional help.

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    333. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is still not the primary purpose of a handgun, nor anything approaching a common purpose for a handgun. Stop being deliberately obtuse.

    334. Re:So... by one+cup+of+coffee · · Score: 1

      I think you're comparing apples and oranges. Your gun can be used directly to commit possibly the worst violation of of a human's rights; the right to be alive. I think the argument is at least somewhat reasonable that there be restrictions on such items. Anime, and legal Porn for that matter, as far as I know can't really be used to commit crimes. And, what constitutes CP in anime is really difficult to surmise. First of all it's from a completely different culture, and it's written in a language few outside Japan can actually read. So how would some guy in Australia know for sure? Obviously some is, but depending on how austere the person checking you is, just about any thing could be considered porn. For example, some fundamentalist Christian groups not to mention many Muslims consider showing a girl's ankles to be porn. This brings up an even more important question. What is their criteria they're using for determining what is "Porn?"

    335. Re:So... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>If depicted, non-authentic childporn was legal, he'd argue that childporn should be lega

      Bullshit.

      Child sex means there's a victim, and the perpetrator should be arrested. Just because I think ALL hand-drawn art should be legal, does not mean think children should be raped, you fucking Republican retard. (And by the way, I'm Republican myself. I'm allowed to insult members of my own party. Now get the hell out, because we don't want shitheads like you in our party.)

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    336. Re:So... by CorporateSuit · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'm not a republican, and as long as republican leaders are shoring up the "tea party", I'm no tea party member either. There are perhaps a handful of good republican leaders in the entire United States, and there are even fewer good democratic leaders in the entire United States. The party itself, however, is a cesspool of corruption that is about as pious as the Richard Dawkins.

      Now let me put it this way: Lust is the identical twin of Greed. It is never satisfied with what it has, it always wants more.

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    337. Re:So... by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      TrueCryp

      NOT to be mistaken for TrueBlood, which has a red logo.

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    338. Re:So... by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      You're more likely to be able to use a gun on somebody more than once. Good luck if you run over someone with a car, doing it multiple times without incurring damage.

      Not that I've ever *cough* thought about doing such a thing...

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    339. Re:So... by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      I think his point was kind of about in Islamic countries...

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    340. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do we really need a pile of "put them away for even longer!" laws on the books?

      The punishment for child porn should be the same regardless of whether you happened to fly on an airplane. This is yet another junk law that will be unenforced, and then used selectively on whoever the DA has a grudge against.

    341. Re:So... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Oh, my mistake. I thought it was understood that I was referring to the type of filter that is actually being used rather than a type that would be utterly infeasible for the purposes of filtering the net for an entire country (aside from, say, N. Korea).

      Oh, my mistake. I thought that your pattern of inventing irrelevant comparisons and opinions to be taken as facts which are irrelevant went right in line with me mentioning an unrelated "filter" in response to your general statements about filters. Perhaps if you want people to stay on topic, you should practice that yourself first, rather than coming across as a hypocritical whiner.

      Thanks for pointing out situations in which they should not be relied upon.

      There are tons of such situations, yet even with such limitations, they are taken to be 100% accurate in court. Just as filters fail and could be taken to be 100% accurate in court as well. Both have limitations, and both could be taken to be 100% correct in court. I still don't get the distinction between them you are trying to draw. Both are fallible, but taken to be 100% correct in court. So what's your issue? That you like one better than another?

      Radar guns aren't presumed perfect though, since, as you say, they have well-known weaknesses. If you're in such a situation, you can easily make the argument that the gun should not be relied upon, and you'll likely win in the absence of other evidence against you.

      You are either lying or ignorant. Go get a ticket. Get up in court and state "There was a faster car passing me, and the reading must have come from him because I was not speeding." The cop will say "he was the one I was aiming at, it's my professional opinion I got the reading from him" and the judge will say "guilty." It's that simple. Yet that's ok with you, but the same thing happening with a filter is somehow objectionable? I don't understand the distinction you are making.

      Anyone that claims it is perfect is a liar or an idiot, since there's never been a content filter shown to actually work properly and completely.

      Ah, I get it now. You are too narrow minded to understand words. Assumed perfect for the purposes of prosecution and claimed actually perfect are independent and unrelated statements. You are taking my words in a manner unrelated to their actual meaning and objecting to implications I didn't directly state. The court assumes they are perfect. That's not a declaration they are. You aren't objecting to courts assuming radar detectors are perfect, despite the obvious limitations of them, so why are you whining so much when the same is applied to something like a filter that similarly has limitations as well?

    342. Re:So... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I spoke to Australian people who run ISPs (probably the largest one that buys content from the tier-1 ISPs, but I didn't talk to any in the tier-1s like Telstra). I spoke to other Australians involved in tech, selling network equipment, supporting and installing and such. They seemed to all agree that you "could" get around a filter without problems, but doing that would be proof of nefarious intentions.

      But as far as I know there is no suggestion that circumventing the filter will be illegal.

      My perception was that everyone had a great confidence that the filter would prevent unintended viewing of illegal material. so anyone found with illegal material downloaded must have worked actively to get it, removing the "it was a pop up" or "I didn't mean to" arguments. So it's not going to stop those that want to find things they shouldn't, but it means that anyone with illegal material must have specifically known what they were looking for and worked hard to get it.

    343. Re:So... by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1

      99% of the material covered by the filter is likely to be legal anyway, and the remaining 1% of actual child porn etc isn't the kind of stuff that you typically get by accident. But even if this does happen by accident, the presence of the filter might actually help your defence. There are at least a few judges in Oz that are quite tech savvy. Court cases involving the filter might get very interesting, for example I can imagine a workable defence of "I didn't know that document contained illegal material, if it was illegal then the filter should have stopped it, therefore I'm not guilty". This would be particularly hilarious if it was received by email or P2P ;-)

    344. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is porn illegal in Australia now?

      Depends on the porn.

      Anything involving animals, children or violent fetishes is illegal (and has been for quite some time). Sale of any X18+ video, are illegal in the Australian states. (Though not in the territories - which is why so many young men from Sydney and Melbourne visit the Australian Capital Territory where all the politicians reside so they can get these things).

      John Howard tried to get the lot banned at one stage but failed.

    345. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't honestly think Customs has the time or resources to search everyone's laptop. I mean, EVERYONE travels with one these days.

      Sounds like Customs has a good argument for a budget increase is all.

      "All passengers with electronics must arrive 3 hours before boarding in order to allow sufficient time for storage imaging. In the event the imaging cannot be completed before your flight departs, your storage medium will be shipped to your destination once completed. At your expense, of course. Have a wonderful day!"

    346. Re:So... by Danse · · Score: 1

      Oh, my mistake. I thought that your pattern of inventing irrelevant comparisons and opinions to be taken as facts which are irrelevant went right in line with me mentioning an unrelated "filter" in response to your general statements about filters. Perhaps if you want people to stay on topic, you should practice that yourself first, rather than coming across as a hypocritical whiner.

      That makes no sense at all in the context of my previous posts. What are you even talking about?

      There are tons of such situations, yet even with such limitations, they are taken to be 100% accurate in court.

      [citation needed]

      You are either lying or ignorant. Go get a ticket. Get up in court and state "There was a faster car passing me, and the reading must have come from him because I was not speeding." The cop will say "he was the one I was aiming at, it's my professional opinion I got the reading from him" and the judge will say "guilty." It's that simple. Yet that's ok with you, but the same thing happening with a filter is somehow objectionable? I don't understand the distinction you are making.

      If your defense is that incompetent, then yeah, that'll probably happen. What you should be asking is for all the specific details (which you have a right to do as part of discovery before the case), such as the certification and calibration info for the radar, exact conditions during the incident, such as weather, traffic, officer's position and speed, etc.

      When they have to provide actual evidence, the cases can fall apart. Traffic attorneys pick these things apart all the time. Assuming they were actually wrong to begin with, and sometimes even if they were just lazy with their procedures, you can get it dismissed.

      You are taking my words in a manner unrelated to their actual meaning and objecting to implications I didn't directly state. The court assumes they are perfect. That's not a declaration they are. You aren't objecting to courts assuming radar detectors are perfect, despite the obvious limitations of them, so why are you whining so much when the same is applied to something like a filter that similarly has limitations as well?

      Again, what are you talking about? You still haven't shown a single thing from an Australian official or court that claims 100% effectiveness or even implies that they believe that. Like I said, I'd love to know who actually makes such a claim. They certainly fall under the liar or idiot header.

      It should be a rather trivial task to prove that false anyway. Even under essentially ideal conditions, content filters are never 100%, and usually not even close to that. If an image shows up as a result of caching of ads or through a malware issue, it would be pretty easy to show that it is entirely possible for the ads or malware to be missed by the filter.

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    347. Re:So... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Wasted paper? Hey, the paper targets attacked you -- it was clearly a case of self defense!

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    348. Re:So... by pacinpm · · Score: 1

      So they can search for porn. What can they do if they find it? Is porn illegal in Australia now?

      More important question is: how they define porn?

    349. Re:So... by AGMW · · Score: 1
      GP Post (by me) a Troll? How so? [brought to you by the letters W, T, and F]

      Anyway...

      So if I view pirated movies then I am assisting the market and encouraging the creation of more movies?

      ... if you are arguing that people who view pirated movies never pay for any movies then I guess that's a valid argument. It is, IMHO, more likely that the pirator of movies also, on occasions (eg pay day?) will also fork out the five bucks and occasionally splash out on watching a legitimate copy.

      The point is that if there were no market (AKA demand) for CP people wouldn't be making CP. If you are a consumer of CP then you are, by definition, the market, regardless of whether or not you manage to get free access or if you, ahem, splash out for it.

      The point about not "protecting people from child pornography" is well made though.

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    350. Re:So... by dotar · · Score: 1

      pornography depicting-small breasted women is illegal in australia now. Wife got small breasts? Better not take naked photos of her!

  2. Foiled again. by Dyinobal · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well there goes my plans to smuggle porn into Australia and use it in a terrorist attack.

    1. Re:Foiled again. by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well there goes my plans to smuggle porn into Australia and use it in a terrorist attack.

      Gives 'blowjob' a whole new meaning...

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    2. Re:Foiled again. by fatalwall · · Score: 1

      no, you can still do it! You just need balloons that can safely stretch large enough for hard disks and learn how to swallow one hole.

    3. Re:Foiled again. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      I wonder if region 1 copies of Satisfaction count as pornography over there... [rolls eyes]

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    4. Re:Foiled again. by ElKry · · Score: 1

      I really hope you mean "swallow one whole"

    5. Re:Foiled again. by deniable · · Score: 1

      Check out 'Not Quite Hollywood' or any collection of '70s Australian cinema. That's Australian culture, not porn.

    6. Re:Foiled again. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      I wonder if region 1 copies of Satisfaction count as pornography over there... [rolls eyes]

      This is Australia. A DVD of Lambert the Sheepish Lion would be considered pornography.

    7. Re:Foiled again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You better use SD-card. Much more orifice-friendly.

    8. Re:Foiled again. by durrr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Aquiring the precursors and manufacturing it on site sounds like an easier plan.
      Don' tell this to the feds, but even if you can't get the optics normally used for it you should always be able to get paper and pencils, and even if you can't find that, i can assure you that you'll always manage to get wood.

    9. Re:Foiled again. by purpledinoz · · Score: 1

      So that's why there was so much traffic to goatse lately. Stock piling some goatse WMDs I see?

    10. Re:Foiled again. by Eddie+Deguello · · Score: 3, Funny

      I really hope you mean "swallow one whole"

      What do you mean? An African or European swallow?

    11. Re:Foiled again. by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      Can we send you our prudes? You can give them jobs in the anti-porn bureaucracy. Since when did Australia become so tight-assed?

    12. Re:Foiled again. by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      never underestimate the bandwidth of an intercontinental flight full of guys hiding their porn?

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    13. Re:Foiled again. by ElKry · · Score: 1

      Depends. I would have to research the average flying speed needed to enter Australian airspace undetected, possibly carrying a hollow coconut with a hard drive inside, before I decide on an specific sub-species.

    14. Re:Foiled again. by swb · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the movie tip! Looks hilarious and is now in my Netflix queue!

    15. Re:Foiled again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well there goes my plans to smuggle porn into Australia and use it in a terrorist attack.

      Welcome to the no flight list of the FAA!

    16. Re:Foiled again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the movie tip! Looks hilarious and is now in my torrent queue!

      It'll be here faster than Netflix could ever provide too, and I'm only on a 512K line.

  3. Ok by Spazztastic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, I hope the guards are really desensitized because once they search my laptop they will most likely vomit.

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    1. Re:Ok by MarkGriz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Damn, where's the "overinformative" mod when you need it

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    2. Re:Ok by Spazztastic · · Score: 1

      Damn, where's the "overinformative" mod when you need it

      I was saying that as sarcasm, but if I travel to Australia in the near future I think I will start keeping adult content on my desktop. "What? You don't like SWAP.AVI? Sorry, pal. Here's a bucket."

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    3. Re:Ok by slick7 · · Score: 1

      Well, I hope the guards are really desensitized because once they search my laptop they will most likely vomit.

      They should be desensitized after viewing everyone with the scanners that reveal the really gross bodies.

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    4. Re:Ok by Spazztastic · · Score: 1

      Well, I hope the guards are really desensitized because once they search my laptop they will most likely vomit.

      They should be desensitized after viewing everyone with the scanners that reveal the really gross bodies.

      Or aroused... *shudder*

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    5. Re:Ok by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      If you're quick with your camera, you may be able to add to your collection!

    6. Re:Ok by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Come on, it is just pictures of your mum. We all have them.

    7. Re:Ok by shadowknot · · Score: 1

      That would be hilarious but I doubt they would actually watch anything. They'll probably hash every file on your machine and compare it to a hash database of known files. We do a similar thing in the computer forensics field but with hashes of known CP. This whole thing just seems overarching and a waste of time to me. I would applaud anyone who fills their drive with porn before going to Oz just to waste their time.

    8. Re:Ok by laejoh · · Score: 1

      Rule 34 of the internet! I'm going to register vomitguards.com. Let's get onto this!

    9. Re:Ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There Has to be a Goatse tie to this one ........

    10. Re:Ok by robot256 · · Score: 1

      That's why they need to look at hot porn stars. To get their minds off the ugly fat people.

    11. Re:Ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, can you screw up the hash checking by adding a single byte onto the end of a file? From what I can tell, video files & jpegs etc. still work perfectly fine if you add a single byte onto the end of them and it would give the file a new hash code.

    12. Re:Ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SWAP.AVI
      a shock scat movie (50 minutes long) in which 4 brazilian sluts shit into each others anuses, shit back out the shit, eat the shit, vomit onto each other, vomit into their assholes, suck the vomit out of their assholes, etc. far worse than 2girls1cup OR 2girls1finger. Taken from urbandictionary.com

    13. Re:Ok by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Then again, youtube will have another 2 girls one (finger|cup|*) reaction video. ^^

      What about the pain series? (Except for the guro stuff.) (See Encyclopedia Dramatica’s “offended?” page... if you must...)
      That should nuke their brains in an instant.

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    14. Re:Ok by xOneca · · Score: 1

      If you're quick, you can download porn after customs using airport's Wi-Fi...

    15. Re:Ok by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Everybody who goes to Australia should preload their laptops with the freakiest stuff. Like the 2 girls 1 cup video. Then, they should declare it when they go through.

      Then it's just a matter of waiting to see how long before the border guards stop checking for porn altogether.

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    16. Re:Ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you and a buddy are quick, you can leapfrog the porn past customs.

    17. Re:Ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't suppose you ever get to...umm...you know...declare what counts and doesn't? As in for /.ers that are curious? Is the database maintained nationally, or internationally? If the index is created by a software firm in Saudi Arabia--to the hits prove anything?

      Is the Scorpions "Virgin Killer" cover on the list? If so, in .gif, .jpg or .png ?

      What about the models of questionable age all over the internet?

      What about content of 4chan--does somebody go through that once a night and archive posts?

      What about nudist art--e.g. hegre?

      Do you maintain hashes of mange/anime... la blue girl screenshots?

      What about the Australian issue--"small breasted women"--I gotta say, one of my favorite pornstars was Kristina Fey...and she sure *looked* 16.... When people create these "hash databases"--do they contact the victim to verify they were underage, or just say "they look ambiguous but tending toward the unlawful side" ? How is it classified? What percentage of error do you encounter? Does it tend toward false acceptance, or false rejection? How many tests are applied against it, and what fraction of "false positives" does this result in versus legitimate catches?

      Curious parties want to know...

    18. Re:Ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't a person who has CP and all of them have hashes of 'known CP' be 'less guilty' than one with new CP? Considering that in that case s/he probably has not participated in producing any?

  4. Who is pushing for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    In the US this kind of thing would usually be blamed on politicians pandering to the Christian right. Are there really a lot of fundies in Australia too? I always thought it was a very laid back sort of country.

    1. Re:Who is pushing for this? by curmi · · Score: 3, Informative

      It used to be. But the Christian groups seem to have the current government by the balls. And the opposition leader is a fundamentalist as well, so we are fucked either way.

    2. Re:Who is pushing for this? by Spazztastic · · Score: 3, Informative

      Have you not been reading in the past few years since Stephen Conroy assumed office? He's been spearheading all of these censorship efforts.

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    3. Re:Who is pushing for this? by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      Wasn't it Hilary Clinton leading the way in the 'think of the children' laws a few years ago? There's quite a bit you can blame on the far right, but thinking of the children has been one of the few topics that has been bi-lateral.

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    4. Re:Who is pushing for this? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      You obviously haven't been paying attention lately.

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    5. Re:Who is pushing for this? by kingturkey · · Score: 1

      And don't forget, one of the cross-benchers holding the balance of power in the Senate is a Creationist nut-job, "Family First" Senator Steve Fielding.

    6. Re:Who is pushing for this? by AHuxley · · Score: 2, Informative

      Australia has its own faith issues. A low profile, long term plan was used to inject their view deep into both main parties.
      Try this http://www.abc.net.au/compass/s1358912.htm
      "Family First: A Federal Crusade" gives a basic guide into a few decades of political left and right infiltration by a powerful, tax free well funded, faith based network.
      The part about "comment at a pre-polling booth that lesbians like Ingrid Tall should be burnt at the stake along with all the other witches. " and "implored Christians to pray to bring down Satan's strongholds including bottleshops, brothels and Buddhist Temples. " should be rather clear to most slashdot readers.

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    7. Re:Who is pushing for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It used to be. But the Christian groups seem to have the current government by the balls. And the opposition leader is a fundamentalist as well, so we are fucked either way.

      Thank God for that.

    8. Re:Who is pushing for this? by GoChickenFat · · Score: 1
      Thank God for that.

      It used to be. But the Christian groups seem to have the current government by the balls. And the opposition leader is a fundamentalist as well, so we are fucked either way.

    9. Re:Who is pushing for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought fucking either way was also banned in Australia?

    10. Re:Who is pushing for this? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Are there really a lot of fundies in Australia too? I always thought it was a very laid back sort of country.

      Where have you been?

      "australian censorship law" - 935,000 results
      "banned in australia" - 390,000 results
      "australia bans" - 265,000 results

      ...and that is only searching for those exact phrases – with the quotes included.

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    11. Re:Who is pushing for this? by Syberz · · Score: 1

      [...]so we are fucked either way.

      Make sure you don't have any pics of that with you next time you're at the airport...

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    12. Re:Who is pushing for this? by the_one(2) · · Score: 1

      Hmm... I can't find the moderation option for "+1 Fucking Scary"

    13. Re:Who is pushing for this? by FyreWyr · · Score: 1

      Clicking through, it appears that Mr. Conroy lets his personal feelings on morality override the legal system, which sets a precedent for tricky problems. From the wikipedia article you linked:

      "Conroy and his wife, Paula Benson, have a daughter born in November 2006 with the assistance of an egg donor and a surrogate mother, both friends of the Conroys. The procedures were performed in New South Wales instead of their home state Victoria, where altruistic surrogacy is banned."

      So, if I understand that right, if you DO come from, e.g., Japan, where your actions were legal, into Australia (yes, ignorance of the law is no excuse, that's not my point), you'll be held to a different standard by a man who went somewhere else to make what he wanted to do legal. Perhaps it's more an issue of federal (country) vs. state (territory) governments, but to me that seems like a fine line; furthermore, if he returned to his home state, aren't there usually laws for crossing a border in the commission of a crime?

      In any case, while it once was, it appears to no longer be criminalised, on Feb 21, 2010. Oh, well that's okay then, right?

    14. Re:Who is pushing for this? by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      Are the majority of Australians actually in favor of Conroy's actions, or are they rather apathetic to whats going on?

      The US seems to have its share of crazy right-wing folks, some of which actually make it into office, but it hasn't seemed to turn into actual laws or policies. Why is Australia different in this regard? Like, in terms of the whole internet filtering thing, I'm pretty positive American's wouldn't stand for it. Is freedom of speech and expression not held in high regard in Australia?

    15. Re:Who is pushing for this? by fonitrus · · Score: 1

      he is an idiot. plain and simple. its what happens when your parents disalow you and confiscate all your porn when you are a kid and you are bitter at the world who is more free in that respect. so once in power he wants to stop porn on a grand scale. not knowing a single thing about how computers work and how easy is to bypass a filter he got few small ISPs to participate in a "national filter pilot". out of teh 6 only 1 was a big ISP and it pulled out early and did not endorse the filter. Its like going down to the park and asking the 10 year old kids basketball team to sign of on a $50 salary cap and applying it on the professional basketballers in that country. RETARD... but as to the OP. I think these powers are nothign more but enabling the polie to hook into pedofiles intering the country if they dont know any better. They will not likely ever execute these power of going through the full 1TB or more of data and sifting through all the files and anyone that has ever had people use their computer knows how to conceal his porn effectively. they will not do it on the average joe blogs. However when they get an alert from say a thailand or vietnam etc that a suspected pedo is on the next incoming flight to sydney the Federal police will use the customs to get into the laptop of the pedo and then potentialy be able to arrest and prosecute him. if they dont find anything they will most likely piss him off by having him delayed so much that he may lose his cool and get arrested for other things :) also the more time his mates spend waiting for him at the airport means they are paying alot more than $12.50 per half hour for the parking. not to mention his mate may be a pedo too so if he gets agitated he may be pulled in for questioning too. However. Few years back they busted a massive pedo ring and this stretched from every high rank in almsot all circles to your local garbo. very sophysticated methods of concealing, some crazy ways for becoming a member and preety much run tight and secretive for many years. Details elude me but it had something to do with a slip that happened at one airport that helped break the case(s). so yea. its more of an extended tool for the AFP than customs interested in your porn. hmm how do u edit these paragraphs. this thing looks like them WALL-O-TEXT-CRITS-YOU-FOR-OVER-90000 posts.

    16. Re:Who is pushing for this? by Lunzo · · Score: 1

      Apathetic. Most people don't realise this sort of thing is even happening and if they did the thought tends to be "that doesn't affect me so I'm ok with it", even if it does affect them.

    17. Re:Who is pushing for this? by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      Failure of media to accurately portray the ramifications of new laws I guess?

      America is heading that way. Media conglomeration/concentration into the hands of small pool of ultra-rich conservatives.

  5. Errr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am embarrassed to be Australian

    1. Re:Errr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No citizen should hold himself responsible for the errors of their government. If it were true, then as I'm French, I'd be screwed!

    2. Re:Errr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should be. Why not move somewhere else?

      captcha: nonlocal

    3. Re:Errr by earls · · Score: 1

      You'll be really embarrassed after they find your stash.

    4. Re:Errr by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      Yes because it is just so easy to move to another country. Countries all over the world just issue you permanent residence visas without ANY reason or justification... /sarcasm

      It's VERY difficult to (permanently) move to another (first world) country unless you have family there or your employer is willing to sponsor you.

    5. Re:Errr by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      I hear it is pretty easy to move to Canada if you have $100,000 and agree to keep it in a Canadian bank... I've always thought the US should use that system as well.

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  6. Wow... And all this is for our own good... by viraltus · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Always remember that all this fascist measures is for our own good. Politicians are intelligent people that know better than us and, if you disagree, you are probably a criminal.

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    1. Re:Wow... And all this is for our own good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're Australians. They're all criminals.

    2. Re:Wow... And all this is for our own good... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Fascist leaders always want to keep all the really good stuff for themselves -- porn, guns, drugs, rentboys...

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    3. Re:Wow... And all this is for our own good... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Always remember that all this fascist measures is for our own good. Politicians are intelligent people that know better than us and, if you disagree, you are probably a criminal.

      Well they started in the right country...

      The MPIAA have declared all Australians to be filthy downloading pirate criminals despite a complete lack of interest from our courts.

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  7. SD card by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    Everyone should start carrying an SD card filled with variations on goatse and 2 girls 1 cup

  8. Censorship by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Censorship is not only morally wrong, it is ineffective. You chase your tail wasting time and money often to accomplish nothing.

    When will people learn?

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    1. Re:Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Censorship is not only morally wrong, it is ineffective. You chase your tail wasting time and money often to accomplish nothing.

      When will people learn?

      Chasing tail wasting time and money often to accomplish nothing? Sounds like the guys on the other side of censorship are doing the same thing.

    2. Re:Censorship by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      When will people learn?

      (in the same voice that Mel Gibson used to cry out 'Freedom' in the last minutes of Braveheart)

      NEEEEVEEEEEEEEEERR

    3. Re:Censorship by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      Sometimes it works. Most Chinese people don't know about the American landing on the moon, or about the Tienanmen Square massacre.

      Censorship does not need to be perfect to be politically effective.

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    4. Re:Censorship by mike449 · · Score: 1

      Censorship is never about effectively suppressing the thought or speech. It is always about politicians pretending to care about "order", "moral health of the nation" and other such big words. It earns them some reelection points (in democratic societies) or support of some part of the population (in dictatorships).

    5. Re:Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Seriously.

      Step 1. Download TrueCrypt
      Step 2. Set up a plausible denial archive with two partitions
      Step 3. Put bland, clearly legal pr0n on one partition. Make the password something easy like "naughty1"
      Step 4. Put the nasty, illegal, immoral stuff on partition 2.
      Step 5. Fight with the Australian authorities for one minute, then give then the "naughty1" password
      Step 6. There is no step 6. Enjoy trafficking illicit material down under!

    6. Re:Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Censorship is not only morally wrong, it is ineffective. You chase your tail wasting time and money often to accomplish nothing.

      When will people learn?

      It's a matter of incentives. Anti-porn crusades are vote-winners for the "shriveled balls/saggy boobs" demographic, which also happen to be the most diligent about voting. If only the freedom-loving youth showed that their votes count for more. So, yes. Censorship accomplishes a whole lot of stuff - just nothing constructive as far as the public is concerned and definitely none of the goals usually ascribed to it.

      A lot of the child porn crusades are the authorities trying to divert the public's attention from the horrific fact that they are piss-poor when it comes to catching the creators of CP. Which means they haven't shown the ability to do shit to save the abused kids. That's the most deeply disturbing thing about the whole issue. All that effort (in a good cause I agree), but the actual victims are rarely (if ever) helped. How many stories have we read in the past decade about people arrested for CP found on their PCs or some such thing? Now consider how many stories we've seen about actual CP producers arrested. The latter is too difficult, so they do the easier thing and conflate the lesser crime of possession* with the worse and submit that they have captured a child molester. And the peasants rejoice ...

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      *(which is morally wrong to be sure and quite disgusting but essentially victimless unless money changed hands, in which case it's as bad as usually portrayed)

    7. Re:Censorship by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Did it occur that that was not the point of the whole thing?

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    8. Re:Censorship by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Censorship is not only morally wrong, it is ineffective. You chase your tail wasting time and money often to accomplish nothing. When will people learn?

      History disagrees with you. As little as 20-30 years ago if you managed to stop it at the border, if you managed to kill off any organized operations, if you kept it out of the local communities it sure as hell worked. If you think those that control the mass media today are powerful, you don't know what they used to be.

      Internet has completely and utterly changed that. Combined with digicams, digital video and multimedia phones the so-called "closed regimes" are leaking like a burst hose. It's not just the powers that be who still haven't really taken it in that nobody cares anymore, it's just as much the bible thumpers and their "local community standards". If you don't like it, go online and you get everything you want uncensored.

      It will take a long, long time for everyone to adjust to it. Maybe in 50 years we will consider taht "natural" but right now I only think 20 year olds and younger consider this "normal". Certainly those in power don't.

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    9. Re:Censorship by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      If there were boobies on the Moon or in Tiananmen Square they never would have been able to keep them a secret.

    10. Re:Censorship by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Most Chinese people don't know about the American landing on the moon, or about the Tienanmen Square massacre.

      And how do you know that?

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    11. Re:Censorship by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would argue that the proportion of the Chinese population that knows about the American moon landings or Tienanmen Square protests is the same as Americans that know about McCarthyism.

      Censorship does not need to be perfect to be politically effective.

      Don't confuse apathy or poor education with censorship. There was an article in the last Time that was with someone paralyzed at Kent State. What proportion of those born after that in the US know anything other than having heard the name once?

    12. Re:Censorship by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      You chase your tail wasting time and money often to accomplish nothing.

      Not true. Often you can frighten people into living by the moral standards you set. Some people consider that well worth the time and effort.

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    13. Re:Censorship by BerryMadness · · Score: 1

      You chase tail wasting time and money often to accomplish nothing.

      Thats what I feel like every weekend when I check my bank account after visiting my local gentelmans club. I never seem to learn my lesson:)

    14. Re:Censorship by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Don't confuse apathy or poor education with censorship. There was an article in the last Time that was with someone paralyzed at Kent State. What proportion of those born after that in the US know anything other than having heard the name once?

      Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming
      We're finally on our own
      This summer I hear the drumming
      Four dead in Ohio

      Gotta get down to it
      Soldiers are gunning us down
      Should have been done long ago
      What if you knew her and
      Found her dead on the ground
      How can you run when you know

      (It's still played on the radio.)

      Mal-2

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    15. Re:Censorship by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      In .edu, you encounter a lot of Chinese. Chat them up about history sometime.

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    16. Re:Censorship by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      I think you're wrong. McCarthyism is taught in US public school history classes. No attempt is made to hide it. If you talk to educated Chinese at universities, you will find that many historic world events which don't jive with Chinese politics have been wiped from the media. Chinese academics who really should know better unaware of extremely common and important events known to intellectuals in every developed country.

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    17. Re:Censorship by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      If you talk to educated Chinese at universities, you will find that many historic world events which don't jive with Chinese politics have been wiped from the media.

      Well, I've spent a few weeks at a Chinese university in Beijing and talked to students there, and at least the ones that know English do not have the problem you assert. How many Chinese people who have never left China have you personally talked to? Because your observations do not match mine. They know about Tienanmen Square. They also know it's something they aren't supposed to know. But that doesn't stop them from knowing.

  9. ...and? by KlausBreuer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What is it with these nutcases and pornography?
    "Eeeeeeek, a woman showing a naked boobie! How horrifying!" ...but sending your own people to an obscure war on the other side of the world to involve them in shooting at civilians, that's okay?

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    1. Re:...and? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Eeeeeeek, a woman showing a naked boobie! How horrifying!" ...but sending your own people to an obscure war on the other side of the world to involve them in shooting at civilians, that's okay?

      Good old-fashioned christian values.

    2. Re:...and? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they are going to 'confiscate' copies of every-ones porn. what better way to expand their own collection!

    3. Re:...and? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is it with these nutcases and pornography?
      "Eeeeeeek, a woman showing a naked boobie! How horrifying!"

      FYI, prostitution is legal in Oz. And you got lots of topless hotties on the beaches.

    4. Re:...and? by deniable · · Score: 1

      No, prostitution is legal in some Australian states, but not others. Here it's illegal, but the police /government tolerate it if certain rules are followed. Try legalising it and you'll be swarmed by the interest groups.

    5. Re:...and? by golden.radish · · Score: 1

      Sending people off to war while remaining publicly puritanical has a long and glorious history. Western European nations have been doing this for as long as Western Europe has been around. The "gift" of colonialism granted such ideas to North America.

      Some bad habits are hard to change. Pr0n and war being two of them. Hypocrisy being a third.

    6. Re:...and? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pr0n and war being two of them. Hypocrisy being a third.

      Religion being the common denominator among the three.

    7. Re:...and? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're setting up a straw man argument... no one is saying that sending people around the world and shooting civilians are okay. Just letting you know, sometimes the internet blinds reason.

    8. Re:...and? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fake morality.

    9. Re:...and? by dotgain · · Score: 1
      Oh, look, another person who thinks he just learned what 'Straw man' means.

      You don't think the act of a government sending its soldiers to war (keep me out of the morality of this, I'm just pointing out your logical failing) is an implicit declaration of "We're okay with this"?

    10. Re:...and? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is OK. Naked boobies will corrupt the morals of society and cause things like rape, murder, drug use, and theft, while sending people overseas to fight will earn them money because they're in the army, and then they'll come home as physically and mentally healthy as they were when they left, as well as feeling great about themselves because they were protecting their countrymen. Don't you know anything?

  10. Bounding up excitedly by rugburner · · Score: 2, Funny

    What's that you say skippy?
    The porn is trapped in the free world!

    Back to dream time.

  11. PCI compliance and encryption by Enderandrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What if my laptop is encrypted because of PCI compliance? What if it is against the law in my country for me to compromise confidential information, but now Australia demands to see it? Does this mean American businessmen can't travel ao Australia with company laptops?

    Or will Australia not search encrypted laptops?

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    1. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by NevarMore · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why the hell are you browsing porn on a laptop that has PCI information on it!

    2. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by schmidt349 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Probably it just means corporate and national security outfits will have all sensitive data pass through a nice strong VPN connection. The laptop you carry through customs will be freshly formatted and ready for any amount of probing.

      If you're not afraid of retribution you could have a text document sitting on your computer's desktop explaining the situation and advising their nanny state to please sod off. Include a link to here.

    3. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by Bakkster · · Score: 1

      What if my laptop is encrypted because of PCI compliance? What if it is against the law in my country for me to compromise confidential information, but now Australia demands to see it? Does this mean American businessmen can't travel ao Australia with company laptops?

      It just means American Businessmen can't keep porn on their company-issued laptops. Let's hope the SEC doesn't have any business in Australia, they'd be even more ineffective!

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    4. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by Xugumad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Does this mean American businessmen can't travel ao Australia with company laptops?

      That would be my reading of this law, yes.

      Personally, I already have a travel netbook, with a very limited set of data on it. Partly because it means a search isn't going to find anything interesting, partly because it means if I lose the laptop it's a lot less of an issue.

    5. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by Enderandrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It isn't an issue of whether or not I'm carrying porn on the laptop. If I have an encrypted laptop, I can't hand over the password to anyone, and yet Australia will demand I do exactly that.

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    6. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by MrShaggy · · Score: 1

      It is the same thing with people travelling into the US.

      They can take your laptop give it back years later.
       

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    7. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yea, because they only search your laptop if you answer yes... /facepalm

    8. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by ledow · · Score: 1

      Incidentally, the US have had something very similar for a long time, albeit related to "terrorism" rather than "porn" - they still reserve the right to examine my laptop, force me to reveal my passwords, copy my harddrive without any legal assurance of what will happen to that data etc. So the situation hasn't changed any, I've just added another country to my blacklist where I won't even take a mobile phone, let alone a laptop, should I ever go visit there. Of course, that prompts me to assign an "inconvenience" factor to all my trips and just means I'll avoid both.

      Seeing as I have a valid Austrlian Working Holiday Visa waiting for me to use still, I think this is just another nail in its coffin (the first was that stupid mandatory Internet filter crap) and that particular piece of paper will never see any use at all. Shame. I wasted quite a bit of money on the application process for that.

    9. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by deniable · · Score: 1

      We're just mirroring American Customs.

    10. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      "Does this mean American businessmen can't travel ao Australia with company laptops?"

      You'd check "No" on the questionnaire asking if you have porn on your laptop. If you have porn on your business laptop, well, you have a whole set of other problems to worry about.

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    11. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by francium+de+neobie · · Score: 1

      Maybe get around that with TrueCrypt hidden partitions and even hidden OSes? You give them one password for laptop searches. But you actually use another for your real corporate work.

    12. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by corbettw · · Score: 1

      Between Citrix, VPNs, and bootable CDs and flashdrives, there's no reason to travel abroad with a laptop that contains any data at all. Unless you're going to some far-flung location with negligible Internet connectivity, that is. Other than that, why risk having something important seized by an over-eager customs officer?

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    13. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Huh? Nobody knows whether or not it has porn, until after it's decrypted.

      "Do you have porn on this computer?"

      "No."

      "I don't believe you. What is this pile of ciphertext?"

      "Confidential information. You'll just have to take my word for it."

      Impasse. Value of the new law: Zero, or less.

    14. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      If I have an encrypted laptop, I can't hand over the password to anyone, and yet Australia will demand I do exactly that.

      Or turn around and go back to where you came from.

      There is nothing unusual about Australia in this. Every country in the world sets the terms upon which you can enter. If you can't agree to those terms, you don't come in.

    15. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Why the hell are you browsing porn on a laptop that has PCI information on it!

      It's not necessarily the result of browsing. If he works in the adult industry, he could have work-related porn on his laptop.

    16. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by radarsat1 · · Score: 1

      He's not. The point is that he can't prove that he's not.

    17. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      I agree. I really do. This is what everyone SHOULD do.

      Sadly, I haven't seen a Fortune 500 company that operates like this yet.

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    18. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      And you think that makes it OK?!?

      That's just all the more reason to call it out as idiotic!

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    19. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      When you enter Australia ... you are in Australia, the laws there apply, not the laws of your country of origin, I fail to see the difficulty in understanding this and if you don't, traveling to foreign countries is probably not a good idea.

      You can simply not take the data with you. You don't really have a reason to be carrying data that requires PCI compliance on a laptop anyway do you? If you just answered Yes, I've got a $50 bill here that says you're already violating the rules in multiple ways since you're still trying to continue this discussion using that argument.

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    20. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      Uh, missing the point much?

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    21. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by fostware · · Score: 2, Informative

      What if my laptop is encrypted because of PCI compliance? What if it is against the law in my country for me to compromise confidential information, but now Australia demands to see it? Does this mean American businessmen can't travel ao Australia with company laptops?

      Or will Australia not search encrypted laptops?

      Karma for this:-
      Border Agents Can Search Laptops Without Cause, Appeals Court Rules
      and
      Taking your laptop into the US? Be sure to hide all your data first

      But the US is not alone. British customs agents search laptops for pornography. And there are reports on the internet of this sort of thing happening at other borders, too.

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    22. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by fostware · · Score: 1

      Something to add...

      Both those articles are from 2008

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    23. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      Don't worry. They're smart enough to know that the law is only really for plebs.

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    24. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by zill · · Score: 1

      Whoever issued you the laptop should probably contact the Australian embassy to get special clearance.

    25. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

      Or you could rename your perfectly innocent family photos things like "Kevin Rudd anal fucked by wallbe.jpg" and "Barely legal dingo deep throats Kevin Rudd's tiny cock.jpg".

    26. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by Spykk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A better question might be why do you have PCI data on a laptop at all? Something tells me that the airport is not part of your cardholder environment...

    27. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      What if it is against the law in my country for me to compromise confidential information, but now Australia demands to see it? Does this mean American businessmen can't travel ao Australia with company laptops?

      What, as opposed to all of the people traveling to the USA who have their own encrypted laptops? Because, surely you're aware of the fact that someone can't come into the US without having their laptop searched, encrypted or not. Why should an American businessman have more rights abroad than anyone visiting the US does?

      I can't fly to the US without being fingerprinted, scanned, likely having my biometrics recorded, and fuck knows what else. I simply won't fly to the US any more. Any US businessmen who can't deal with this can equally refrain from flying to Australia. These are your options. An encrypted laptop from another country isn't some magical free pass, nor is being an American.

      Now, as to if I agree with them searching your laptop for something which is legal, no. That makes no frigging sense.

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    28. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      "We're just mirroring American Customs."

      And you think that makes it OK?!?

      That's just all the more reason to call it out as idiotic!

      No, it doesn't make it OK, or any less idiotic.

      But listening to Americans whining about receiving effectively the same treatment when they travel abroad as everyone flying into the US is friggin' hilarious. Because, quite frankly, the rest of the world has been pointing out the same thing for several years now.

      A non-US citizen gets fingerprinted, can have their laptops searched, and (depending on your current AG and administration) can be held indefinitely without charge or recourse upon arrival in a US airport. Do you really expect people to be concerned that some poor American with encrypted data should be special when he travels abroad?

      Get over it -- you can't cross someone's border without being subject to their laws. Being an American doesn't make you special.

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    29. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by aix+tom · · Score: 1

      Brilliant. He has to keep the porn encrypted to be PCI compliant. ;->

      "And what happens when we have bent the rules so far that they stab us in the back?"

    30. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      You are under the mistaken assumption that because I dislike other countries customs laws, I must not intensely dislike my own as well. That is a very silly assumption to make, especially on slashdot... I'm particularly puzzled why you might think this after I made a comment that pretty heavily implied I disapprove of both.

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    31. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by dotgain · · Score: 1

      I like the idea of TrueCrypt but what I find horrifying is how my (hypothetical) Judge / Jury will understand it, how the media will portray it, and ultimately Joe Sixpack's understanding of it, which will probably wind up being something along the lines of "It's a devil's homo machine"

    32. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      You are under the mistaken assumption that because I dislike other countries customs laws, I must not intensely dislike my own as well.

      On the contrary. Your post made it obvious that you disagree with your own laws. It doesn't make it any less hilarious to me that you are complaining about the immigration law in another country.

      I'm not accusing you of being a hypocrite. I'm just saying that the rest of the world has more or less been told "too bad, shut up, and if you don't like it, don't fly to the US." We don't have any recourse either.

      But when I see people (not you) saying stuff like "but what about an American business man with an encrypted laptop", it's just damned amusing that some people actually believe that it's unfair to search an American when they travel.

      It's good that you disagree with your country's law -- but it doesn't change the fact that everyone else is still stuck with more or less the same situation when they fly to the US.

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    33. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by NiteShaed · · Score: 1

      What if it is against the law in my country for me to compromise confidential information, but now Australia demands to see it?

      How is that relevant? In this instance, you're not in *your* country, and therefore your country's laws don't apply, the laws of the country you're in are the only ones they're bound by. Your only choice is, don't bring anything into Australia that you can't have seen by others, and quite frankly, that really goes for *any* other country. Nobody cares what the laws are "back home", you're expected to comply with the laws of where you are, not where you're from.

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    34. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Australia couldn't give a shit about the laws in your country. You are in their country, all that matters is their laws - if you don't like that don't go there.

      Just like always, you don't bring such data across borders. America is one of the worst offenders in this anyway, so it's far more likely your laptop will get seized at the US end on your way back.

    35. Re:PCI compliance and encryption by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      What if my laptop is encrypted because of PCI compliance? What if it is against the law in my country for me to compromise confidential information, but now Australia demands to see it? Does this mean American businessmen can't travel ao Australia with company laptops?

      Or will Australia not search encrypted laptops?

      What if I have a medical marijuana prescription and carry some amount of it on me while in Oregon (legal). What happens if I travel to a state that does not allow it?

      Answer: busted.

      You must always respect the laws of the place you are traveling to. That aside, if I hadn't heard of this law being an actual thing, upon entering Australia and being asked, "Hey Mate, got any child porn on your computer?" I would have been pretty offended. It isn't something you'd expect to be asked in any business or professional setting. And while of course I don't have any cp (nor would I bother to put regular p on a travel laptop), I just crossed Australia off the list of places I want to visit.

      So I guess in addition to business folks with encrypted laptops, you can add tourists to the list of people that might not travel to Australia.

      Can someone from Australia please explain why your country seems to be leading the charge in crazy 'right-wing' land? Is the Australian population actually that conservative? If we went out and surveyed average Australians in medium to small towns, are they actually agreeing with this?

  12. Note to self by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When travelling to Australia, remember to use drive-level encryption and turn off my laptop before passing through customs. I could also keep a LiveCD in the CD drive to keep customs happy since they'll have something to search.

    1. Re:Note to self by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Make sure that the Live CD is a BartPE Windows XP disc so that the customs officials will know how to search it.

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    2. Re:Note to self by noidentity · · Score: 1

      When travelling to Australia, remember to use drive-level encryption and turn off my laptop before passing through customs. I could also keep a LiveCD in the CD drive to keep customs happy since they'll have something to search.

      Thank you for notifying us, Mr. The MAZZTer. We'll be sure to give you special accommodations when you visit.

      - Australian Customs Agents

    3. Re:Note to self by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Ok, unless the LiveCD thing finds your hard disk, and they because of that also do, which causes them to “ask” you for the password. I recommend making two partitions on your HDD, and removing the second one from the partition table. Then on the first partition put an OS that is just a realistic honey pot. (So there are no links of any king suggesting there might be another drive. Like entries in your recent files and registry, linking to D:\Porn\...)

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  13. Are they tech savvy enough though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't see this going well. From experience working with all sorts of security guards and the like, I can say that the vast majority of them had little to no computer skills whatsoever. They could log in, log out, browse the internet, use Word and Excel, and respond to emails in Outlook.

    With the highly obscure folder structure some people create to hide their porn stash, I can't see them being able to find anything on people's laptops. What are they going to do? Do a search for dirty keywords?

    1. Re:Are they tech savvy enough though? by kramulous · · Score: 1

      Ahh, if you have linux and use that window with the text you must be worth investigating. That'll be fun.

      Better tell people to wait a few more hours after arrival to pick me up.

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    2. Re:Are they tech savvy enough though? by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      ASCII PORN...

  14. Think of the children and make them remember you! by muckracer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    So next time I go to Australia, I'll set my background picture to the goatse dude and when quizzed about porn I'll be happy to turn on my laptop for the immigration officer. Preferably when large groups of minor travellers and christian bible students are congregating around the security point. Once they have collectively fainted, I'll smile at the officer and mention, that these kind of pictures are, of course, vital study-material for my Urology-degree and can I go now?!

  15. Customs Inspectors by deniable · · Score: 5, Funny

    With the new filter, they need to get their porn somehow. This was the best option.

  16. It's as if 1,000 /. geeks screamed "TrueCrypt"...! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And then were silent.

    (Bonus: captcha = "hookup")

  17. They shouldn't need any porn. by earls · · Score: 0, Troll

    Their government is full of dicks and their citizens are nothing but pussies. Bondage, Domination, Sadism and Masochism strictly enforced. Their country is perverted far beyond any porn ever could be.

  18. travel effects? by rainmayun · · Score: 1

    Well, Australia just came off my honeymoon list.

    1. Re:travel effects? by deniable · · Score: 0

      If you need to take porn on your honeymoon, you have bigger problems.

    2. Re:travel effects? by xorsyst · · Score: 1

      If you need to take your laptop on your honeymoon, you have bigger problems.

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    3. Re:travel effects? by rotide · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe you were hoping for a +Funny mod, I don't know, but what you _think_ a healthy sexual relationship should consist of is entirely irrelevant.

      Now, in case you also didn't bother to RTFA, here are a few choice quotes for you:

      "Australian customs officers have been given new powers to search incoming travellers' laptops and mobile phones for pornography, a spokeswoman for the Australian sex industry says."

      "If you and your partner have filmed or photographed yourselves making love in an exotic destination or even taking a bath, you will have to answer 'Yes' to the question or you will be breaking the law."

      Customs confirmed the new reference to "pornography" on the Incoming Passenger Cards and the search powers, acknowledging that searches conducted by officers may involve the discovery of "personal or sensitive possessions".

      So if you and your significant other decide to take nude photos and you say "no" to having pornography, that could mean an arrest. Not to mention answering "yes" and having to show it off to strangers, low rent strangers at that.

      And I don't even want to think about what happens if you do declare "yes" to be law abiding and a particularly conservative guard/cop/agent happens to uncover a few pictures of your 3 year old son running naked through a sprinkler on a summer day.

    4. Re:travel effects? by MRe_nl · · Score: 1

      "If you need to take porn on your honeymoon, you have bigger problems."
      a: I disagree.
      b: It's not just "taking", but "making" too.
      FTFA;
      "If you and your partner have filmed or photographed yourselves making love in an exotic destination or even taking a bath, you will have to answer 'Yes' to the question or you will be breaking the law."
      Customs confirmed the new reference to "pornography" on the Incoming Passenger Cards and the search powers, acknowledging that searches conducted by officers may involve the discovery of "personal or sensitive possessions".
      A spokesman said officers were trained to apply "tact and discretion" in their dealings with passengers."

      Ignorant, Puritanical, Authoritarian and Untruthful.
      Well done.

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    5. Re:travel effects? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, if you need to bring porn on your honeymoon, something is wrong.

    6. Re:travel effects? by rainmayun · · Score: 1

      If you think that only people who have porn (or even laptops) should be worried about this, YOU have bigger problems.

    7. Re:travel effects? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Maybe it’s to set the mood. Or did you think women don’t like porn?

      --
      Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
  19. What exactly is the criteria for such searches? by John+Saffran · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How bored the rent-a-cops at airports are? I still remember the two idiots who deliberately attempted to make me miss my flight .. somehow I don't think that type of person is the most qualified to make judgement calls.

    And what exactly is this hoping to achieve anyway? If someone wanted to smuggle illegal porn into Australia a laptop isn't exactly the most efficient means, just use public email systems and some basic encryption. Unless the government is going to demand that all home PCs have monitoring software enforced there's no way that stopping the 'smuggling' of software can even be considered.

    Or maybe that's actually what they want .. welcome to 1984!

    1. Re:What exactly is the criteria for such searches? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Male, 18+ yo with a laptop.
      Re And what exactly is this hoping to achieve anyway?
      Votes for been seen to do something.
      Hidden away in budget documents, they defunded the Australian federal police from doing real on line multi year investigations.
      http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/fight-to-filter-out-evil-leaves-bad-guys-to-do-their-worst-20100514-v4cq.html
      .."Online Child Sexual Exploitation Team, a unit of the Australian Federal Police .. - A$2.8 million.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    2. Re:What exactly is the criteria for such searches? by John+Saffran · · Score: 1

      The criteria as it appears to stand is very loose and very open to abuse.

      If it's the case that they'll be doing searches on suspected pedophiles only, then that'd be a search police can do already with search warrants issued after proper examination of the facts by a judge.

      Such airport staff will more often than not lack the judgement or qualification. It's both open to abuse from people's prejudices and their lack of judgement and knowledge will lead to the real material being missed.

      I appreciate that there's a voter buying scheme underway to pander to the family-first type parties, but the scenario begs many many questions.

  20. Check true. What is the legal definition? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check true even if you don't think you have any since someone you know has probably borrowed your PC for 30 seconds and visited http://boobpedia.com/ .

    What is the legal definition of "porn" in Australia?

  21. Eye of Sauron by earls · · Score: 1

    And change your wallpaper to goatse.cx.

  22. Why does this shock you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at Fox News. The owner/operator is from Australia and look at the holier than thou attitude on that network. Fox is just an export from the uptight right.

  23. Where to 'draw' the line?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey...does that now include Michelangelo and Davinci in the loop?? I mean, the statues or David and the Venus De Milo as well as the paintings on the chapel ceilings are too risque for many people.

  24. Wow. by AMSmith42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not being Australian, I have to ask, "What does the Australian government have against business and tourism?"

    1. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's part of the Cabal's new world order. They're working their way through the alphabet and Australia comes after Arizona.

    2. Re:Wow. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Dunno but I've crossed it off my backpacking tour list.

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    3. Re:Wow. by ekhben · · Score: 1

      Current government is strongly influenced by extreme nutbag religious folks.

      Current opposition is strongly influenced by same extreme nutbag religious folks.

      Yes, we're fucked, no, there's nothing we can do about it, any vote we cast at all is a vote for religious insanity.

    4. Re:Wow. by blai · · Score: 1

      porn tax.

      --
      In soviet Russia, God creates you!
  25. Yes, sir, officer by paiute · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now just define 'porn' for me.

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    1. Re:Yes, sir, officer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wanted to post an url to wikipedia, but the antipornproxy won't let me.

    2. Re:Yes, sir, officer by Devoidoid · · Score: 1

      In the U.S., porn is that which if it were child porn would be illegal, and therefore the government requires all porn producers to keep massive databases of every image produced and the id's of all the performers in them and where these images can be found, so the FBI can inspect these records for mistakes, and that's how we keep the children safe. So, as a visitor to Australia, do you have anything on your computer that would be illegal if it were child porn? I'll have to see that, please.

    3. Re:Yes, sir, officer by danger42 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure he'll know it when he sees it.

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    4. Re:Yes, sir, officer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      porn (n): Whatever the man or woman with the gun, authority to detain and/or shoot you*, short temper, low tolerance for smug and/or smartass geeks, and lots of co-workers or other associates with similar guns, similar authority, similar opinions, and similar temperament says it is.

      *: Neither of which the company you work for will reimburse you for once they find out that the reason you have been away from work and out of contact for the past X months was because you were detained and/or shot for carrying illegal porn around and making smug and/or smartass remarks to customs officials, as per said customs official's sworn statement.

    5. Re:Yes, sir, officer by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Informative

      Anything that makes the censoring officer aroused.

      --
      May the Maths Be with you!
    6. Re:Yes, sir, officer by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      We better hope the censoring officer swings both ways then, otherwise half the point out there isn't going to do it for him!

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      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    7. Re:Yes, sir, officer by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Now just define 'porn' for me.

      "A naked sheep."

      Oh wait... that's "shorn."

      Damn... I'm always confusing my bilabial plosives and my palato-alveolar fricatives. (And no, despite their naughty sound, those aren't porn terms.)

    8. Re:Yes, sir, officer by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Now just define 'porn' for me.

      Any depiction of a sexual act.

      Hustler is,
      Playboy is borderline,
      Boris Vallejo isn't,
      Neither is Cleo.

      --
      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    9. Re:Yes, sir, officer by ekhben · · Score: 1

      Any media that no longer interests you after ejaculation.

  26. How does this work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So how does this work anyway?
    If I check off YES, do I just get to walk through?
    And if I check off NO, I wait in line to be searched?

    I have nude pics of my wife, and no you can't look at them, fuck off, and have a nice day!

  27. copyright vs material by DiveX · · Score: 1

    The mostly likely 'reason' is that the vast majority of porn s probably captured and snippets (who has time to watch the entire plot of the production) and tends to be a violation of copyright. If you cannot prove that you own the copyright , then you can probably be charged with that 'crime' until it is proven that you do have a legit copy, Even if you have the DVD with you, that fact that it is one your computer probably means you violated some standard or assumed to be present licensing agreement. So unless you starred in the production yourself, they will probably use that angle to charge you with something.

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    1. Re:copyright vs material by deniable · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uh huh, and why do they let people through with the usual stash of 'Bali disks?' It's not about copyright.

    2. Re:copyright vs material by thrawn_aj · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Copyright violation is a civil matter. The copyright holder has to sue, not the government (which it would if it was a criminal matter - is it? I'm not sure).

  28. Sad day to be an australian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It’s become a political thing over here, every second phase is 'we are protecting the children' and it’s being used to justify everything. Funny thing is that from a tech perspective we are getting a porn filter that only dose ip address filtering... p2p anyone. And laptop searches which anyone here could probably find a million issues with.
    The funniest one, one of our most handsomest politicians declaring that the filter will protect children from finding child porn, clearly his kids are seriously f’d up.

    1. Re:Sad day to be an australian by victorhooi · · Score: 1

      heya,

      Huh, which politican said this? You don't mean Tony "mad monk" Abbott, do you?

      And yeah, I agree, if you need a filter to protect your children from "finding" child pornography, something in your household is seriously stuffed up. It's not our fault you're a lazy/incompetent parent).

      You don't "accidetanlly" find this stuff, ok (although with Australia's dodgy definition of child porn, I can see this changing - heck, I've seen friends with joke emails filled with naked Simpsons characters, that would apparently now count as child pornography - gross, and poor taste, but illegal? I mean, really...).

      cheers,
      Victor

  29. This week on Border Security by deniable · · Score: 1

    A special adults only episode...

  30. Not a waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You chase your tail wasting time and money often to accomplish nothing.

    Don't think about that. Think of the millions, possibly billions of dollars this will rake through the business of government, and the precedent it will set for the next expansion of power and revenue. At the top of the power pyramid, it doesn't matter where the money ends up -- what matters is that it passes through your hands, giving you a chance to exploit it for personal gain.

    Make no mistake, they don't give a damn whether you have child pornography on your hard drive. What they are interested in is money.

    You're not in the business of government, are you?

  31. In Soviet Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    porn searches for you!

  32. Imagine this... by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Scenario 1:
    You have a drive full of happy family pictures, with your 2yo running around naked on the beach.

    Scernario 2:
    You lend your laptop to your 14-15yo something teen for homework or an assignment, who ends up collecting sexy pictures of current love-interest or webcamfling, or whatever. You walk through security with a confident smile because you don't look at pron (on that laptop).

    You're jolly entering Australia for a nice warm vacation or business, but you did not get in because you're now in jail for childpornography.

    "Sir, did you leave your laptop unguarded? Did you pack your laptop yourself?"

    Australia, it could happen to you!

    --
    I think we can keep recursing like this until someone returns 1
    1. Re:Imagine this... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Scenario 1:
      You have a drive full of happy family pictures, with your 2yo running around naked on the beach.

      It ain't xkcd, but it's close: Kitty Photographer

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    2. Re:Imagine this... by balbus000 · · Score: 1

      I think we can keep recursing like this until someone returns 1.

      if (!isSigShown) showSigs()
      return Re:Imagine this... (Score:-1, Offtopic)

    3. Re:Imagine this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or worse yet those drunken bachelor party photos of you naked wrestling the dog. Maybe spraying whipped cream all over the dog wasn't such a good idea after all. ...

    4. Re:Imagine this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha you weren't modded down as you expected. Recursion fail!

    5. Re:Imagine this... by kafka47 · · Score: 1

      Scenario 3:

      What about the saucy pics I took of myself?

  33. You better run, you better take cover. by kstahmer · · Score: 1

    Gives a new meaning to the words: Do you come to a land down under? Where women glow and men plunder? Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder? You better run, you better take cover.

    --
    HRH The Duke of Windsor
    1. Re:You better run, you better take cover. by nietsch · · Score: 1

      Where women blow and men chunder. That is the lyrics as I recall them at least. Blow as in sexual act, chunder as in projectile vomit. But your version with pirates and radio active booty is fun too. Can't get many of them sheilas to blow anyway.

      --
      This space is intentionally staring blankly at you
    2. Re:You better run, you better take cover. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blow as in Chunder, ya drongo.

  34. Australopolitics by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    Are there really a lot of fundies in Australia too? I always thought it was a very laid back sort of country.

    There may not be a lot of them there, but they are loud and have money. See: Rupert Murdoch.

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  35. Your papers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your papers... ah I mean... Your Porn please

  36. Re:Think of the children and make them remember yo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    goatse

    That's not porn. That's art.

  37. "We cannot afford a porn gap!" by Minwee · · Score: 1

    Is Australia _that_ short of porn that they need to resort to this? Surely there must be an easier way.

  38. That Should Work... by Aaron.SD · · Score: 1

    ... Works for Drugs right? Oh, wait... Well at least they'll see a drop in imported pornography and, err, people visiting Australia.

  39. As an Australian, what a joke... by victorhooi · · Score: 1

    heya,

    As an Australian, I have to say...what the? This is the first I've heard of this, but it sounds bloody ridiculous.

    I mean, seriously, this would be the same Labor party that say....just had their road/transport minister resign for visiting gay s*x clubs?

    http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ncl=dm89TYq5QNgdQeMwGfI6gmxCykKlM&topic=h

    Now, I don't support chlid pornography any more than the next person, but this just sounds like some more ridiculous pandering to the religious right, and stupid government posturing that will only waste our (taxpayer's) money. I mean, yes, I know we Christians have a reputation to maintain, of being all show and bluster, and nothing more, but this is getting absurd.

    Firstly, what idiot carrying actual child pornography is going to tick yes on the form, then brazenly hand over his laptop? It'll be encrypted, for crying out loud, or they'll just sent it over the damn network, why on earth would they store it in the clear on their laptop. And yes, say they are completely retarded and didn't know how to go to www.truecrypt.org, at the very least bury it deep within the filesystem, it's not exactly going to be on their desktop in a folder entitled "CHILD PORNOGRAPHY - CUSTOM OFFICIALS, DO NOT LOOK HERE" is it, now?

    If you look at this SMH article (as a background, SMH is a fairly left-wing paper, normally)

    http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/travellers-to-be-searched-for-porn-20100520-vh09.html

    they ask the very good question of why the heck does it say "pornography", as opposed to "child pornography"? It's like they wanted to make it intentionally vague, and catch out people who were not carrying illegal material as well. Seriously, pornography may be a terrible evil and all, but it's hardly your right to impose your own moral values on the public to this level.

    And if you read the comments, one apt observers notes it'll probably be the customs officials themselves who'll make a copy of and distribute this stuff ("normal" pornography), that is. Seriously, if you know the sort of people that work these jobs...probably a bit like those clowns at the TSA, who beat each other up, over jokes about the size of their you-know-whats...

    This is nearly as hypocritical, and pathetically absurd as say, Thailand's whole two-faced "we're prudes" on the one hand, yet we allow a thriving s*x industry on the other. I mean, they make pornography illegal (http://www.thaipulse.com/cautions/laws-against-pornography-and-indecency/), and then basically have legallised child prostitution? These people are a joke. It's nearly as bad as their whole barbaric Lèse majesté laws - all bluster and face, and no real substance underneath.

    Have any Australians actually encountered this policy? Experiences? Next time I fly, if it weren't for their rumoured lack of a sense of humour, even if I don't actually possess any pornography, I'd be sorely tempted to write something vaguely amusing on the form, or possibly boot up my laptop, and play one of those indecent scat videos. I'm sure the Slashdot community would be happy to suggest things to play here...lol.

    Cheers,
    Victor

    1. Re:As an Australian, what a joke... by boxwood · · Score: 1

      In thailand's case, its easy to make laws, but difficult to enforce. All the brothels have to pay regular bribes to the police to stay open.

      And they have prosecuted pedophile foreigners. Really the problem is the disparity between to wealth of the foreigners vs. the income of the local people and police.
      You blame the Thai government for allowing this stuff to happen, but the only way they could really stop it would be to no longer allow any tourists into their country.

      Tourism and prostitution go hand in hand. I guess they could do like Australia and ask on the immigration card "Are you here as a sex tourist?" and not allow entry to those that check it. LOL

      In Thailand I haven't seen any child prostitution, but then I didn't go looking for it. The only mention I've seen are numbers posted that you can call to report it. In Jamaica it was much more rampant. Pre-teens working the streets like any other prostitute. So why does Thailand get the bad rap for being a destination for pedophiles? Because they actually prosecute tourists when they catch them while the Jamaican government does absolutely nothing.

      You should really be putting blame on the nasty farang that travel to Thailand to do despicable things. But this being slashdot we gotta blame everything on some government or another.

    2. Re:As an Australian, what a joke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Now, I don't support chlid pornography any more than the next person

      I refuse to acknowledge that child porn is a problem worthy of special attention.

      It's just the latest item in a long line of hysterical garbage. Nothing more than an emotional manipulation tool for politicians and a set of attention-seeking tools for the media. As if they even care about the problem. Addressing the symptoms is so much more useful to them.

      I won't accept it. I won't prefix my comments with, "I'm not a paedophile" like some pathetic scared cow.

      Let's be frank. Men women and children alike get raped every single day. Sometimes the sick fucks who do this capture it on video. There's nothing you can do about it. We can get revenge afterwards but we can't prevent it. Ever.

      Now you're thinking, "There must be something we can do." NO. No there isn't. This isn't a videogame or a TV show - some problems cannot be solved. You can attack the symptoms all you want but you'll never change human nature and you'll hurt plenty of innocent harmless people in the process. That's the ugly truth.

      I don't say this out of lack of compassion. My girlfriend was raped. I know the terrible psychological damage it does. I know what it does to a person more than any dipshit who prattles on about it on a news show.

      Actually there is one way to stop child rape: the total elimination of freedom and self-determination. All you have to do is compromise the fundamental, time-worn and proven ideals of western civilisation. Drop it all for a police state or worse. With omnipresent paranoia and control, you can completely protect some classes of individuals.

      You don't want that. It isn't worth it to sacrifice all of our lives and values so that a few can be spared from suffering. It isn't an improvement.

      Sounds disgusting right? That's reality. Some people will die or suffer horribly no matter what. We can only make a choice to minimise the suffering, and history has shown us the necessary decision: Live free or die.

    3. Re:As an Australian, what a joke... by Enigma2175 · · Score: 1

      I mean, seriously, this would be the same Labor party that say....just had their road/transport minister resign for visiting gay s*x clubs?

      Maybe it isn't the politicians. Maybe the populace is so ridiculously backwards that they censor themselves when writing the word "sex" and the politicians are passing laws that represent the values of their constituency.

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    4. Re:As an Australian, what a joke... by access.name · · Score: 1

      Said the brave Anonymous Coward.

  40. There is now way this can be done for everyone by cntThnkofAname · · Score: 1

    I don't see how this is feasible by any means. There is so much ambiguity involved... For example: Does looking at porn online and not clearing my cookies or browser data constitute as porn? If the porn is in a temp folder does that count because as soon as I turn of my computer then the will no longer be there. If I delete the porn it's still recoverable with some tools... does that count?

    I can also see this being bad for geeks. What happens if they doubt me and force me to turn on my laptop and it boots to a CLI? They'd probably confiscate it and tear it appart to find out what sort of commy-porn-smuggeling-system I'm using...

    What if I have the porn stored in a vm on my machine? Do those guys even know what a vm is? What if I have a totally unsuspecting laptop and I'm actually trying to smuggle porn by store in on a disc partition and clearing the disc information from fstab (or windows equivalent so as not to be suspicious)?

    There is so much grey area, and like so many of you said this will be a giant waste of time. I believe the most this will do is infuriate many of us who use unfamiliar systems and get them confiscated because of it.

  41. The WHAT Party?!?! by Mr_Perl · · Score: 1

    I just want to know where I can sign up for that Australian Sex Party mentioned in TFA...

    I don't even live in Australia, but I'm going if the party is still on.

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    My poetry site welcomes the unusual.
  42. Some Corrections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just to clear up a few things, "illegal porn" could always be searched for (under normal search procedures of prohibited items) and confiscated it's only now they've added it to the declarations card so they can also charge you if you lie about it. Fact is, Australian Customs is fairly bad now anyway, I know of cases where people from countries in the middle of SARS outbreaks were so ill from matching symptoms they could barely walk but were let through without too much drama, think they're going to bother searching your hard drive? It's mostly magazines and printed material they search and care about currently, they neither have the time or resources to do much more.

    Anonymous because I work in Aviation Security in Australia.

  43. I be teh biggest villain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "sudo mount internet"

    Then they search, and search, and search...

    I be teh worlds biggest convicted porn-villain...until someone does the same thing 5 minutes later...

  44. *offline* rights by Draque · · Score: 1

    Am I splitting hairs here, or is this the exact *opposite* of online rights? These are offline, traditional rights that are being violated/reneged on.

  45. Customs Workers Collections by Windows+Breaker+G4 · · Score: 1

    Guess the customs workers need more porn eh? Figure they'll work just like some of the IT people do right? (Copy what you find?) But in all seriousness, what happens if someone says they don't have any? Are they then going to then spend hours and hours looking?

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  46. The scene at an Australian airport. by Gaian-Orlanthii · · Score: 1

    Customs Officer: "Anything to declare, mate?"
    Educated liberal-minded international traveller: "Why, as Oscar Wilde once said: 'I have nothing to declare except my genius!'"
    Customs Officer: "OSCAR WILDE?? He's a slim-hipped pillow of a pommie quincie bastard! Get 'im!"

    Traveller is beaten, tasered and dragged off to a sideroom by six large men.

    Customs Officer: (Glaring at a line of nervous children) "Awright, who's next? Any of you little ankle biters carrying computer games, eh?"

  47. Re:It's as if 1,000 /. geeks screamed "TrueCrypt". by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    TrueCrypt detection software is used :)
    Decrypt or its 5 years for not giving a password.
    In 5 years, your asked again .... 5 years later ...

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    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  48. Hidden Drive by klwood911 · · Score: 1

    1. Why not just setup a dual boot system. Hide the offending partition and boot into a clean OS. They're not CS majors and most won't have a clue anyways.

    2. What if I have bath shots of my kids on my laptop. You know, blackmail for when they are in their teens or getting married. Many of my customers have swapped over to laptops from desktops and keep this kind of material on them. Are they instantly child porn offenders when they walk in the country?

    3. As far as encrypting the drive goes, that may be counterproductive. I'm sure the minute they see a drive that is encrypted, they pull you aside and get a manager involved. Flip side is like I said with #1, they're not CS majors and may figure the drive is blank.

    1. Re:Hidden Drive by ledow · · Score: 1

      1) That's outright evasion of an immigration security procedure. You'd probably go to jail for longer, and more easily, for doing that - more than anything else you do short of stabbing the customs officer in the head. 99% of people are honest and want to abide by the law... this makes the law-abiding person into a criminal because the only "sensible" choice is to hide the potentially-illicit material. The other choices are "Lie about not having pornography" and/or "Admit to having pornography and be subjected to a search for such". Has your business-supplied laptop ever viewed a pornographic pop-up by accident, by any user, at all, ever, in its entire history? Then, technically, it contains pornography. So *almost* everyone who's brought over a laptop should be ticking "Yes" to that box, or at least querying the definition at the borders. How many people have done that since September when this question was introduced? Exactly - you're *MAKING* otherwise innocent people lie on a customs form because your question is so ridiculous, ill-defined, intrusive and pointless.

      2) Probably. You'd have to either a) admit they are there (or claim ignorance of what they define as pornogrpahy, the history of the machine, etc.), submit to a search and then suffer the consequences if they are deemed "pornographic", b) pretend they are not there and float through customs in the hope they won't notice or c) deliberately hide/obscure them. Australia just turned every right-minded civilian who has such things into a "customs criminal".

      3) Encryption would again be seen as evidence of obfuscation. Additionally you may be forced to give up the keys in a court of law. That might mean compromising information which you've been deemed guardian of, if you're a businessman from an EU state for example.

      Well done, Australia. I've just torn up my (already authorised) visa and I've not even set foot in your country yet.

  49. Interesting... by Thraxy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, if I ever go to Australia, I'll have to remember downloading 1000+ pictures from icanhascheezburger.com, answer "yes" on the pornography question and claim to have a huge furry fetish. I would probably get fined, but it would totally be worth it :D

    1. Re:Interesting... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Lolcats... I get off on Lolcats!

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    2. Re:Interesting... by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      If porn stories count, this one would do splendidly : food porn

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  50. pAussies by shipbrick · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Australia is like the Arkansas of the world

  51. More to it than porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When searching for porn it's amazing what you can find. Given the fact the majority of laptops are going to have something that can be loosely defined as porn you can easily grab any suspicious machine. Let's say today you are looking for terrorist. History shows most bombers indulge in decadence before they blow themselves up so odds are there would be porn on their machines. Suspect some one? Simple way to grab their machine without a court order, one is needed in the US. The problem is you can search for anything with that excuse. Even with porn you have to wonder how many husband and wife sex tapes are going to wind up in private collects after being ceased.

  52. Protest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The proper protest to this is not to avoid Australia.

    The proper protest for this is to put a folder on the desktop of your laptop named "Porn", and put the raunchiest porn you can find (that is legal in Oz,) in it.

    And rig your laptop so that the speaker is at maximum volume, mute disabled, with the headphone jack disabled, so that it can't be made quieter at all.

  53. How is it best then to encrypt your docs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well I don't think I need to point out how wrong this all is here on /. But that has brought the question to mind that if I was to travel through Aust customs and didnt particularly want someone sifting through all my files and documents, what is the best way of encrypting your documents without reinstalling everything on a partition/disk level type crypt system? Zipping stuff seems a little to easy.

  54. Tech vs Government Should Be Easy by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    It sounds like there's an excellent market for a backup app that just sucks all data off a mobile PC, stores it on someone's home PC, then wipes the mobile PC and installs an empty, quickly searchable OS and storage. Then later, the mobile PC hits a website that redirects to the home PC, from which the mobile PC is restored intact. Network transfers all encrypted.

    Business and other travelers would backup before leaving, then restore when arriving. No way for customs to mess with that. And it would give backups for restoring anyway. Like if you want to leave your mobile PC at home entirely, and just get a temporary one in the place you're going. Or if your mobile PC is damaged, or lost in luggage transfer, or stolen...

    This kind of stupid privacy invasion, that anyone who's really a threat to a country can easily evade with cruder tools doing what I described, ought not to be a worry. SW is stronger than the government here.

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    1. Re:Tech vs Government Should Be Easy by chefmonkey · · Score: 1

      It sounds like there's an excellent market for a backup app that just sucks all data off a mobile PC, stores it on someone's home PC, then wipes the mobile PC and installs an empty, quickly searchable OS and storage. Then later, the mobile PC hits a website that redirects to the home PC, from which the mobile PC is restored intact.

      That doesn't really make sense, at least with today's technology. Downloading the contents of my relatively modest 250 GB main hard drive over the fastest connection I can get at my home -- a measly 768 kbps upstream -- would take just over a solid month of downloading, under ideal conditions. Throw in the reality of network overhead and unpredictable slowdowns, and it probably takes twice that.

      Now, once we all have 40 Gbps last mile links, and backbones that can support them, it might become more reasonable. (That 250 GB drive would take just under a minute -- but it would also probably be laughably small). It's hard to predict the relative growth of data one might want to reasonably keep on their laptop versus the growth of network connection speeds.

  55. Re:Customs officers and encrypted corporate laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My employer instructed us to not cooperate with foreign customs officials wishing to decrypt a company laptop. My personal policy was, if Tel Aviv airport security wished to examine the laptop, fantastic! They are one ones with guns in a country that I would like to really really leave. Please, take my computer, take my luggage. Just let me get on the damn plane back to, at a minimum, a land with ASCII in the signs. English signage is better, and the ideal destination is a place where I pay for the cops and have a slight say in their behavior.

  56. are you a refluxophile? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    http://www.portlandmercury.com/columns/savage-love/Content?oid=25486

    I'm a single man in my 30s who loves to throw up on my partner during sex, and I love it even more when she (my partner) throws up on me. I have a hard time meeting other refluxophiles in my area. Most people run away screaming when I mention it. What's the best way to meet women into this? Also, I was wondering if you could tell me about some of the health risks of this activity.

    Better Coming Up Than Going Down

    Let's look at the health risks first, BCUTGD. People who throw up a lot tend to have rotten teeth; there's a certain amount of blood in vomit, so you might want to avoid ingesting someone else's vomit or letting it come into contact with any open cuts or orifices; and playing with the vomit of someone who has a bug or the flu is a good way to get yourself sick. So it's a good refluxophile rule of thumb (or rule of index finger) not to play with the vomit of someone who needs to vomit. Only play with the vomit of someone who has to induce vomiting.

    So how does a puke fetishist meet women? Very carefully. A man with a disgusting sexual fetish (shit, blood, puke, extreme acts of consensual violence, etc.) should NOT abuse any woman he might meet through regular dating channels (work, bars, through friends) by subjecting them to a date. The realization that her date sat across the table at dinner fantasizing about being thrown up on is enough to make most women puke, ironically enough, and she'll probably blab to any friends you have in common.

    So I would urge you not to date, BCUTGD, but to advertise. While there are women out there who share your fetish (the only other letter I've ever received from a refluxophile was from a woman), they're very rare, and the odds that you will run into one by chance are slim. Before you meet the love of your life, you'll probably have to spend a few years taking out personal ads, maintaining a personal website, and surfing chat rooms. Good luck.

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  57. Sad for the mile high club by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What if I take some pictures with my phone during a mile high session in flight to Australia ?

  58. SO... by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have they worked out a good, legal definition of what constitutes 'porn'? If they haven't then you;d better not take *any* gadget into Australia.

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  59. 32GB? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    so i can only bring 0.03% of my porn collection to australia?

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  60. I am so going!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was going to say something silly about not being able to go, but then I read the article. Critical snippet: "Fiona Patten, president of the Australian Sex Party, is demanding an inquiry into why ..."

    Australian sex party...!? Can we get one of those here? Is it legal to take photos?

  61. Yep, that's exactly right by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Probably it just means corporate and national security outfits will have all sensitive data pass through a nice strong VPN connection. The laptop you carry through customs will be freshly formatted and ready for any amount of probing.

    That's exactly the way we do it. We send people to France with some regularity and it's illegal to take an encrypted device into that country. Thus, we wipe the machine and put a base, unencrypted image on it. User flies to France. Once inside, an encypted blob of user data is VPN'd to the local IT guy who puts it on the laptop. User does his job. Before flying out, local IT guy wipes the machine.

    If Australia is going to start insisting on poking around in our machines, we'll have to do the same for employees going there.

    Of course, if it's optional I imagine our folks won't be subjected to it. Those red passports open a lot of doors. :-)

    (Actually, I've never seen one of our "official business only" passports. International travelers have their official passports stored in a safe in Washington D.C. and only get them issued right before departure. So I'm not sure they're red but that's what I've been told.)

    1. Re:Yep, that's exactly right by swb · · Score: 1

      Do explain who you work for that gets special passports but does not have the ability to put their items in a diplomatic pouch immune from customs searches.

    2. Re:Yep, that's exactly right by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

      Link is in the post you replied to.

    3. Re:Yep, that's exactly right by swb · · Score: 1

      Whoops, missed that. Why wouldn't the IRS use normal secure diplomatic/government channels/resources?

      Ie, travel to France or whatever country, pickup laptop at the US embassy/consulate with disk image pulled via secure sources, do business, return laptop to embassy/consulate.

    4. Re:Yep, that's exactly right by Iamthefallen · · Score: 1

      Why are you making users haul empty laptops back and forth?

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    5. Re:Yep, that's exactly right by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Some of that I can answer, some I can't.

      Generally, we don't get any sort of diplomatic treatment when we travel abroad. Yes, tax attaches are housed at embassies. (The Paris assignment is much coveted.) But we're not diplomats in any legal sense. No diplomatic pouches for us.

      As for the actual mechanics of the process, it's a part of the culture. The IRS doesn't put sensitive data on any computer that's not owned by the IRS. (At least, as far as field workers are concerned this is true.) We also don't (again, a deeply-ingrained cultural thing) issue multiple computers to one person for extended periods nor do we leave spares in any place outside certain centralized equipment depots. We don't let our hardware be held by third parties except when absolutely necessary. The notion of picking up a computer in-country from the embassy and using it for day-to-day business falls completely outside our security culture.

      Remember, after Richard Nixon misused the agency, the IRS got severely slapped in many ways. We're more secure than most agencies. We pay far more attention to customer privacy. We're subject to far more oversight than most. Our people get led away in handcuffs for leaking information that wouldn't even get you fired in private industry. Given that background, our security folks insist that we keep control in-house to the extent possible, even when doing so is pretty darn inconvenient.

    6. Re:Yep, that's exactly right by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1
  62. You're totally missing the point by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    The point of this is for politicians to claim to be doing something.

    The only argument is whether that 'something' is 'making an idiot of themselves', because hardly any voters will vote for them afterward.

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  63. hey Austrailia, by spidercoz · · Score: 5, Funny

    go fuck yourself, but don't film it

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    1. Re:hey Austrailia, by zill · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, they already destroyed all the cameras within the country, lest they be used for the production of pornography.

  64. Commonwealth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's interesting to me that it seems like members of the Commonwealth of Nations are going in this direction. At least the UK and Aus it seems are becoming more police-state-like everyday.

    Am I wrong?

    What about Canada, NZ, SA and the rest?
    Are they far behind?

    Is there some historical/social precedents for this sort of totalitarian leaning?

  65. mixed feelings by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    As a practicing Muslim I, of course, support anti-porn actions. But also as a practicing Muslim, I oppose this particular action as an invasion of privacy.

    The Prophet Muhammad, sal Allahu 'alaihi wa sallam, said that anyone who peeks throw the hole into somebody's house deserves to be poked in the eye.

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  66. the smurfs by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    are having intercourse with the teddy ruxpins, while the cabbage patch kids are fellating the my little ponies

    the tamagotchi orgy centers on aang the last airbender and spongebob square pants is using the tentacled kate gosselin dildo on adam lambert and dick cheney ...

    oh i'm sorry, you meant define porn IN GENERAL, not my specific porn, sorry

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  67. This should be amusing... by H0p313ss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These days my personal laptop has a copy of my family photo archive. (All perfectly innocent... unless you find sunsets and landscapes arousing...) I'm sure this is true of a LOT of people, perhaps even the majority of people who travel with laptops. I suspect my current archive is smaller than average, a few thousand images, under 5GB if I recall. Skimming quickly through this meagre archive is not a quick exercise

    If they really intend to inspect every single image on every single incoming laptop then they had better have lots of employees who are not likely to fall asleep...

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  68. Like some third world countries by cpghost · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A friend of mine usually puts a couple of Penthouse mags in his suitcase when traveling to some third world countries (North Africa in this case) on purpose to bribe local customs officers. Works like a charm every time: they "confiscate" the material and wave him through with a big grin without bothering him anymore with his electronic gadgets, netbooks, video cam etc... I guess Australia is finally catching up with those countries.

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    1. Re:Like some third world countries by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

      Pretty clever, thanks for the tip! Those border guards must have quite the international collection of porn!

    2. Re:Like some third world countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      North Africa is clearly suffering from soft core porn deficiency. We must act now! Lets get the leading publications of soft core porn to support the Brown Bag campaign: "When your church says no, when the mullah blows, just get your act together for your soft core woes. When the wife says njet, when there is nothing really offensive jet, just get your get your act together and join the Brown Bag grew! Brow Bag, Brown Bag!
      disclaimer: this is not an endorsement of Gordon Brown's policies"

  69. External Hard Drive ?= Computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they ask you to declare porn on your computer and you have it all on an external hard drive with truecrypt, can you answer 'no' and what are the odds of encountering any problems?

  70. Psst, Australia... by sootman · · Score: 1

    ... I'm totally naked under my clothes.

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  71. Based on recent news by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

    Are they actually looking for porn, or saying they're looking for child porn and actually looking for documents that could end up embarrassing the government?

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  72. Got to have that protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Got to have that protection for the Australian porn industry

  73. some operating systems are more sophisticated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with linux a file's type is determined with a program called file, which uses more sophisticated tests, in some order (i cant remember exactly). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_(command)

    one of the stages actually examines the contents of the file and or its header, making use of a database of 'magic numbers' in this way you can rename a jpg, mp4, or wav to anything you like, and in your gui file shell of choice (eg i use gnomes' nautilus) the file previews, and mime type, will be correct, independent of those 3 letters that microsoft cant get rid of back from their very beginning with dos.

    and unix only developed the file command in 1973. hrm, i wonder if microsoft knew about the more sophisticated ideas and just went with whatever was quick and dirty enough to get out the door and sell as fast as possible. do the users of windows suffer to this day because of the attitude and methods of their chosen operating systems' creator? perhaps, but you dont have to. ubuntu is pretty damn good. the only practical reason for using windows today is an app or game which is only avail on that platform because of their past api and dev lock in strategies. ah what do i know. ive also heard programmers defend microsoft when compared with os2 and said that in the early 90's ms allowed them to meet deadlines on budget. but today, opensource is likely the more dev friendly and sophisticated. the fruits are to be seen in the flexible and humane interfaces avail.

  74. this is bound to be a fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOOPHOLE! Everyone just bring your desktop PC's. Take that Australian government. But seriously, how are they going to search a computer for porn? If they're anything like Americans, most won't be very computer literate. Looking for a folder named "porn" in My Documents probably won't turn up much on anyone. They treat porn like it's a disease that needs to be contained and that isn't already loose in their country. If I were the one checking bags, I'd demand that the Australian Government pay me extra for the psychological damage I'd have to endure as a result of searching through vast amounts of international pornography.

  75. for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its also partly cause its so cheap to get a couple of TB in sata form, and via the magic of esata its just about as good as a local drive. it also helps that this laptop dock has extra esata ports.

  76. So.. by rcuhljr · · Score: 1

    We keep hearing endlessly about everything Australia is doing to combat CP, once a week a new story comes along about them. I'm left to wonder, how bad exactly is their CP problem? It's starting to seem like it's a national epidemic over there.

  77. This is about two things: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1 - creating an industry that the lobbyists for these laws can profit from.
    2 - putting in place the mechanisms to stop information on things such as governmental corruption, corporate corruption, and sites like wikileaks and whatreallyhappened.

  78. Well, then don't watch the Pope by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    He is our example, nobody can smooch tarmac like the pope.

    Be fair, where else is a celibate nazi pedophile going to get some action?

    Burn karma burn

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  79. This doesent apply to phone or ipad right? by patrixx · · Score: 1

    This does not apply to iphone or ipad right?
    Steve has liberated them from pr0n you know

  80. We need a special Goatse for the occasion! by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

    I would love to have someone organize the absolute sickest (but legal) porn content on a website so that travelers to Australia could inflict this on the customs agents. I'm talking about morbidly obese men being fisted by dwarves in kangaroo outfits, stuff in that league. If you can get enough of these state employees to lose enough lunches, this policy will be reconsidered.

    1. Re:We need a special Goatse for the occasion! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Hey, if they didn't get off on pictures of morbidly obese men being fisted by dwarves in kangaroo outfits, they wouldn't be porn inspectors on the first place! This is kind of like wrestling a pig in the mud... it accomplishes nothing, and the pig likes it!

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  81. Oh goody, nice one by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    And I suppose all those Jews were just fools for telling the Germans they were Jews? Silly buggers.

    Are you REALLY suggesting that a draconian law is okay because you can always attempt to break the law?

    Good news everyone, the anti-drug laws are not an issue, just keep your drugs in your pocket when you pass customs.

    Bad news for the zoophilia lovers, horses stretch your pockets out.

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  82. it's not porn. it's just really sexy art! by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    porn is in the eye of the beholder. some images of naked people do NOTHING for me. intravenus demilo.

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  83. Customs Inspector, where is your laptop sir? by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 2, Funny

    These inspectors should be required to keep their laptops on site, so that I may search their private information whilst they search mine. It's only fair.

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    1. Re:Customs Inspector, where is your laptop sir? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pr0n swap, they've heard of it.

  84. Re:Think of the children and make them remember yo by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    You seem to be confusing Urology with Proctology...

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  85. Very fascist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I will definitely be rebuilding my laptop with an encrypted file system, if I take it to nazi countries like America or Australia. Who wants all that effort building a good porn collection, to benefit the simple minded halfwit who typically works in American customs? He can collect his own damn porn.
    On a serious note, there is no justification for searching people's private data in a democratic country. Once you start doing that, the terrorist has won. The terrorist generally wants a fascist religious state. Is a fascist capitalist state really any better?

  86. How do they fit it on the card? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Passengers must declare whether they are carrying pornography on their Incoming Passenger Card."

    How is there any space left on the card for a declaration after customs provide a clear and thorough definition of what constitutes "pornography"?

  87. Simpsons = Child Porn in Oz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm You better watch out and make sure you don't have the simpsons movie with you..
    OR ELSE:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7770781.stm

  88. Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The former prisoners from Europe (australians) build higher and higher walls around themselves.
    The irony is great.
    I like you Australians, but how could you bread such a bullying crowd.
    One just have to watch your imigration series.

  89. You know what this means... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    Porn in Australia will have to be local.

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  90. Wow by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would never have guessed the Aussies (of all people) would be as terrified of human sexuality as Steve Jobs.

    1. Re:Wow by Sasayaki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Australian here- It's pretty simple really.

      We have a political system where, instead of directly voting for a prime minister, we instead vote for our local representative; the party with the most seats gets to elect the prime minister. Essentially.

      The problem comes when the two main political parties own almost equal seats, but many seats are "safe" seats. Think Texas. Is a Democrat ever going to be elected in a landslide in Texas? Nah. Is a Republican going to take San Fransisco in a landslide? Nah.

      So, politicians focus on the marginal seats. Think Florida, which could go either way.

      It just so happens a number of those seats are, currently, in and around Adelaide; a highly religious, conservative city known as "The City of Churches". So, politicians on all sides of the political spectrum are metaphorically sucking the bible belt's dick in order to get those precious one or two seats, which means they can keep/gain government.

      Which means our current administration is pushing through knee-jerk think-of-the-children legislation while the opposition is basically screaming "US TOO BUT BIGGER, BETTER, MORE KNEE-JERKY."

      It's pure horseshit and doesn't represent the will of the Australian people at all.

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  91. really by NetNed · · Score: 1

    Really is this that shocking? It's Australia!!! They impose some of the dumbest laws and love to impose on the privacy of their own citizens and visitors as often as they can. Hey I am all for stopping the use of or existence of child porn, but it's just another case of making everyone criminals till proven innocent. The RIAA model to justice.

    I know this isn't the US, but similar things happen here, not quite as stupid or overbearing but, when is it that the people will be listened to or at least innocent till proven guilty?

  92. What can they do? Tax it of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's pretty obvious where they're going with this. Once they force you to declare it, they can make you pay heavy importation duties on it. No different to alcohol and tobacco really. :-/

  93. History repeating itself by isobvious · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They are just respecting their history as a penal colony. It stands to reason, all visitors will be searched for contraband on entry or exit of the facility.

  94. Simple: Uninstall X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really doubt any of those meat-headed morons at airport security could do much without a gui. Uninstall X before leaving, then reinstall it once in the country.

    For that matter, just set the default WM to something like ratpoison or xmonad...

  95. stupid link by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    The moronic thing about this website that you link is that, apart from the goofy Welcome Back Kotter fashions, you could get very similar photos of people in Tehran today. Of course the mullahs are reactionary thugs who control the country with a desperate and paranoid iron fist, but the Iranian people themselves are not so monolithic.

  96. Is this really Australia? by Maclir · · Score: 1

    I've been out of Australia for nine years. It is almost impossible to believe it is the same country that I grew up in and lived in for 40 years until 2001. During most of that time - well, since the cultural changes that swung through in the early and mid 1970's (strange - that corresponded to a time of left wing federal government), the puritanical fringe were just that - Fred Nile and his "Festival of Blight" fighting a losing battle against sensible approaches in "live and let live" - what people did in private was their own business.

    Now, we have the these social conservatives / bible thumpers / puritans taking over. I don't think it's my country any more.

  97. New Invention - the Terrorbyte drive by ratboy666 · · Score: 1

    Fill one of them new-fangled "terrorbyte" drivers with goatse.jpg HotBlowjob.jpg lemonparty.jpg tubgirl.jpg
    Over and over. With randomized names and sizes.

    Declare it, give 'em the drive, and a card with the name of a good psychiatrist.

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  98. I'm sorry sir by Bysshe · · Score: 1

    Does your laptop contain porn? Yes? I'm going to have to search this. I'll be back in 10 minutes.

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  99. Who elected these blokes? by lythander · · Score: 1

    Even with our flirtation with radical conservatism here in the States, we didn't manage to elect people who'd go this far off the reservation. What the hell happened down there? Are we really the only country in the world who believes in ture freedom of speech except for very limited special cases?

  100. No need by jDeepbeep · · Score: 1

    No need for them to strip search. They've already got you naked on their 'turrist' backscatter scanner machines.

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  101. What's Wrong With P0rn ANYWAY??? by InfoJunkie777 · · Score: 1

    Sure I can understand that child porn is horribly wrong. I can agree also that sexual violence is wrong. But ordinary porn? Who does it hurt? No one is forcing you to watch it or buy it. In fact, these days you have to buy it to see it on the Internet. The whole thing stinks. It is CENSORSHIP plain and simple and goes against everything the 'Net stands for. Governments are always trying to control it and rarely succeed. China does the best, as it is a police state, and controls all the ISP's. But even then, crafty folks have invented ways to get around the filters and access the REAL internet. I agree with some of the other posters. What is up with AU this days?

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  102. chumppi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good luck getting through my 128kbit encryption key.

  103. Porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's next? Brain scans to search for porn memories..

  104. Lack of imagination by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    You've forgotten at least two other possibilities: they produced it themselves after entry, or they obtained it from someone else who produced it within Australia.

  105. 2girls1cup coming in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    May I suggest that every single traveler puts 2girls1cup pictures & videos on their laptops and declares them? There's probably other, similar content out there too that they would really enjoy over there...

  106. Please get your facts straight. by mjwx · · Score: 1

    Yes. Pictures of women over 18 with small breasts are illegal on the grounds that it is "virtual child pornography":

    This was only discussed in parliament, like many things that get discussed in parliament nothing at all happened. The actual story is about female ejaculation if you bothered to follow the link.

    depictions of girls under 18 are banned because that too is virtual child pornography:

    There fixed that for you. The law relates to depictions. I'm sorry if this doesn't jive with the groupthink but cartoon pornography is still pornography (defined under Australian law as a depiction of a sexual act, hint a naked breast is not a sexual act in Australia, that is just nudity and often falls under the M15 rating). Most Anime that is 18+ in the US is considered 15+ in Australia. As far as pornography goes, in Australia 18 is the limit. An adult actress must be 18 or over in order to be in a pornographic movie or image made in or sold in Australia, no distinction is made between a cartoon or a photograph (because they are both "depictions").

    Basically then if they want to arrest you I'm sure they could find something in your porn collection that's illegal

    Whaaaa...

    Stop the presses, you can be arrested if you posses something illegal.

    But AQIS wont be arresting you. They don't have that power, as the AFP proper is required at that point. AQIS however can confiscate anything from your luggage if it is suspect. As I've indicated before, AQIS is not interested in your porn collection, they are more interested in any foreign pests or diseases you might bring to Australia.

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    1. Re:Please get your facts straight. by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 1

      in Australia, no distinction is made between a cartoon or a photograph (because they are both "depictions").

      And for your next trick, Mr. Rabid Foaming At The Snout "Think Of The Children" Puritan, you will no doubt explain how one determines the "age" of the "actress" in a cartoon, without using words like "it seems to me" or "anyone can tell" or "cause I or my buddy judge just say so!". Any minute now.

      But then again all "porn" laws have nothing whatsoever to do with reason, logic, justice or "protection" of "sexual victims" (or victims of "witches" or "heretics" or "satanic cults" or whatever other bogeyman seems convenient at the moment). They have on the other hand everything to do with dim-witted would be tyrants looking for means to create some kind of imbecilic "moral panic" amongst those who abhor thought, on the back of which they can ride to power and wealth, or just derive petty satisfaction in their pitiful minds that they are controlling what others can do and can "punish" anyone who disagrees.

  107. Big Brother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Big Brother has a hard on but can't get any porn so he wants yours.

  108. Once again please get your facts straight. by mjwx · · Score: 1

    you will no doubt explain how one determines the "age" of the "actress" in a cartoon

    By looking.

    Mr. Rabid Foaming At The Snout "Think Of The Children" Puritan

    Wow, projecting much.

    Examine my post history Mr Rabid Foaming at the Snout Fear Monger.

    I've admitted to being a sex tourist. Only one of us is frothing at the mouth good sir and it isn't me and nice way of ignoring all the points about Australia being less sexually repressed then the US, a bare naked breast at the AFL grand final will not cause national outcry here, quite the opposite, we'd ask for an encore. Sexually suggestive materiel that is often restricted to 18 yr olds often given the M15 (mature, 15+) rating this includes infrequent nudity, sexual suggestion, sexual references and simulated sexual activity.

    But then again all "porn" laws have nothing whatsoever to do with reason,

    Explain that one, I doubt you could have chosen a more appropriate nick. So in no way could the production of pornography be linked to any harm.

    The idea is that cartoon pornography is still pornography the same as a cartoon drama is still a drama. Same same but different na? Because the word "pornography" describes the content not the medium.

    But then again I live in a nation where a naked breast does not cause national outcry. In fact they are quite common. AQIS will not arrest you for having porn, they don't have that power only the AFP (Australian Federal Police) agents (not the AQIS agent) can arrest you and you have to be charged for that to happen where you have rights under Australian law to a trial and representation. Unlike the US you cant be thrown into a room just for having Thailand and Philippines stamps on your passport.

    I'm really sorry if you're having trouble with this concept, and that it upsets you so much but please, get your facts straight and do not project your fears onto other people.

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    Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    1. Re:Once again please get your facts straight. by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 1

      By looking.

      Really? I say she is 25. My buddy says she is 180 (after all she is a cartoon character). You say she is 12. Of course you expect your (backed by a friendly to your opinion mob) choice to prevail and for us to be "punished" for not kowtowing to your arbitrary (as there is no objective determination possible with a cartoon) choice. Naturally.

      So in no way could the production of pornography be linked to any harm.

      No more (and in actuality far less so) then making of, say, Nike shoes, complete with "factories" full of 12-year olds with iron bars in the windows and padlocks and armed thugs at every exit, forced confinement to "workers dorms" etc and so on.

      But when contrasted with inanimate things like cartoon characters, whose creation involved no live subjects of any kind, any inane blabbering about "harm" truly becomes a hallmark of utter, rabid lunacy.

      The idea is that cartoon pornography is still pornography the same as a cartoon drama is still a drama. Same same but different na? Because the word "pornography" describes the content not the medium.

      Since pornographic imagery in itself causes no harm (and I dare you to present objective, scientific evidence otherwise) your rant is quite pointless and only illustrates the depths of your indoctrination.

      But then again I live in a nation where a naked breast does not cause national outcry. In fact they are quite common. AQIS will not arrest you for having porn, they don't have that power only the AFP (Australian Federal Police) agents (not the AQIS agent) can arrest you and you have to be charged for that to happen where you have rights under Australian law to a trial and representation. Unlike the US you cant be thrown into a room just for having Thailand and Philippines stamps on your passport.

      And now onto another area of brainwashing: misguided "national pride". US is overrun by insane, hypocritical, power-mad Puritans even more then Australia. But whining that "we are not as bad as those other idiots! (although we are catching up, heehee)" does not really serve your arguments much.

      I'm really sorry if you're having trouble with this concept, and that it upsets you so much but please, get your facts straight and do not project your fears onto other people.

      What concept? That the insane cretins that are slowly overtaking the industrialized world with their bigotry and ever more draconian organized witch-hunts are growing ever more powerful and all voices of reason opposing them are being muzzled? That an age of hysterical neo-puritan oppression is dawning upon us? If so, I will always be having trouble with these kinds of developments. As should anyone who values liberty more then mega-corporate fast food.

  109. I think about fucking women... most of the time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are these dick heads going to pull next? Mind scans for people who have fond memories and thoughts of their trip away or the way the air hostess bent over in front of them? OOooooooo the NAZI thought police.

  110. Bigger hard drives... by Sunnz · · Score: 1

    How exactly do they plan to search through, laptop has like 500 GiB hard drives, and I'd constantly be upgrading to the biggest 2.5" I can get in my machine.

  111. The internet is for porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Luckily, Broadway has seen Australia's distress and sent their experts to Brisbane in the first quarter of this year. (ps. Avenue-Q is quite a decent show, well worth the ticket.)

  112. Soon sexual organs will be illegal by libcrypto · · Score: 1

    Day is not far when people will have to do something about the sexual organs they are carrying around. I am sure it will be illegal.

  113. adfasdf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only thing I have on my laptop is Abby Winters, ah, those Aussi women are the best!!!

  114. The best way to respond to the question by multiplexo · · Score: 1

    "Do you have pornography on your computer" is to reply "Do naked pictures of your mom count?"

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    cheap labor conservatives - they want to keep you hungry enough to be thankful for minimum wage.