I honestly think that/. should put michael on the criticising block, and let the community have at him. Maybe an interview with him.
That way we can ask him about censorware.
Ask him about the truth behind the rumors of him being a "moderating gustapo".
And ask him about his insulting to various slashdot readers.
Quickest way to kill rumors/conspiracy theories?
Get it out in the open.
I don't understand why anyone is still installing Kazaa, given their track record.
You get free sharing across a network, at the price of some advertising.
Lemmie put it into terms slashdotters will understand, at the cost of my karma (cause michael will slap this down in a matter of seconds):
I logged into slashdot today to find that there are LARGE ads in the middle of their articles! I don't understand why people use this site, after their trackrecord of ignoring their users, abusing their power, and insulting the users!
Is that example a troll? A flamebait?
Then so is the article explanation by michael!
So now you are assuming that all the users of the software can code, understand the source, and modify it?
I thought the idea of open source was to build the source and not care about what the user does with the software, except selling it.
Now, if the user REALLY cared about security, you think she/he'd check for updates from time to time?
Hehehe... This is funny... the YRO guy publishes an article that takes "free" out of "free software" (you are being "forced" to do something). LOL! Only on slashdot...
Lets not even get into all the nice open source programmers spending time putting in something that some 1337 d00d will remove in a matter of seconds upon release.
If the sysadmin CARED about security, he'd upgrade his software, wouldn't he?
Open source software. I thought the idea was to make it free and not care about what people do with it (except sell it for money). Now we care? Come on!
Open Source is about not forcing you to do anything
EXACTLY.
You're taking the "Free" out of "Free software".
Only evil proprietary companies force you to do stuff, right?;-)
Re:Perl isn't unreadable - some Perl programs are
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To add a touch to your point: write a "well written" program in perl and a "well written" program in Java, and find a random non-programming person.
Which can he read easier?
Probably the one without the freaky symbol thingies.
A lesson learned from Perl5
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I think you're seeing a lesson learned from perl5.
Before perl5, Larry was told "people want OO in perl", so Larry slapped OO onto perl, instead of resetting and adding OO elegantly. You've already mentioned the result( *wince* ).
Now stuff like Parrot and exception handling needs to be added to perl. But Larry says "Woo! Lets do it right this time" and resets the language.
I think its just a lesson learned (for all language developers, I hope), and hopefully the last reset in perl.
Yeah, this is offtopic, and will get modded down... but...
Taco, if you are looking for a replacement for Katz, might I suggest the author of the parent post (Ars-Fartsica)?
Just check out his journal. Not only is it a nice set of original content that is well written, it is all technical and written for the "nerd population."
Personally, I'd much rather read what Ars has to say on the frontpage, than Katz.
...CmdrTaco gets the absolute shit beaten out of him by disgruntled readers. He should of listened to his audience when they complained of the uselessness of the fourth April Fools article, but Taco preceeded to post an addition twenty-three articles.
Re:You can fry an egg on my head right now...
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Good Lord! Have you used Java?
I'm a J2EE consultant.
Granted Perl can be a bit cryptic if you want, but at least Perl lets you do what you want!
Yeah, perl's great for scripting admin type stuff, but an enterprise website?
I can't do operator overloading in Java, because SUN DECIDED I'M TOO STUPID AND MIGHT SCREW IT UP. WELL THANK YOU SUN FOR SAVING ME FROM MYSELF!
God is typing "object.equals( object )" that much harder than "object = object"?
And don't get me started on the performance of any java implementation (sans the jikes compiler, which isn't really an implementation obviously).
Have you tried Java after version 1.2? Yeah, 1.1 stank something aweful, but the newer versions fly (on all platforms). And since you are so apt to perl, find some comparisions on large enterprise websites in Perl vs. large enterprise websites using J2EE. Then talk to me about performance.
Perl lets you get the friggin job done, however you want. Just like any reasonably designed language should. Java tries to save the programmer from him/her self and ends up getting in the way of getting anything done.
Yeah, like "saving" the programmer from memory leaks and deconstruction. Cause making destructors is what programming is about!
Lemmie guess, you're just an old-time programmer afraid that his job is at stake, because of these "new fangled" languages cut out difficult stuff like deallocation, and put more of the emphasis on the actual application...
Don't worry, most of your slashdot friends are elitests also...
Transmeta has a better chance of delivering the world ubiquitous cross-platform applications than Java.
First of all, apples and oranges. Transmeta was doing it hardware-wise, and Sun is doing it software wise.
Second of all, Sun gives away the compilers and VMs, where you'd have to BUY the Transmeta hardware.
And that's not saying much.
No, you aren't saying much. You sound like a regular bigot/elitest. You can't stand stuff like "Java", because you tried it when it first appeared, hated it cause it wasn't mature, and insult it to this day (when was the last time you tried it?), and you only go by hearsay about the newer versions.
I suppose you are a Linux bigot, also. Think MS SUX0RS D00D! when you last tried windows was 98 (not 2k nor XP).
BTW - If you were trolling, it was a good one. If you weren't you're a bigot/elitest.
Now, seeing that all the "unlimited point" moderators (read: Editors) start slamming people complaining about April Fools, will they have the nuts to mod down Bruce Perens for being fed up??
Hehe, April 1st might be the start of a movement for moderation reform (similar to a bowel movement).
You can fry an egg on my head right now...
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This should be a great boon to Java, a language renown for, well, sucking. But at the expense of the greatest of all languages? It's just to sad for me to express in words. I mean, who uses java anyway?
For Gawwwwds Sake!
Don't even get me started at how much faster, how much cleaner, how much easier to add to, and how much more efficient an enterprise site, like slashdot, would benefit from the full use of J2EE, including EJB's and a nice webcontainer (You can even stay with OpenSource and use Tomcat and JBoss.
Wow, this is the first troll I bit on in a loooong time...
Re:Stopping light altogether?
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ohhh... k
Thanks for clearin that up for me:-)
Re:Stopping light altogether?
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but if light is energy
Haven't had this discussion in years, so I, too, may be wrong. But IIRC Einstein proved that light is particles that moved like energy (in a waveform).
how trolling the web is not nearly as much fun as it used to be.
No, I think the "page widening posts" have been the reason there aren't any good trolling around here, as described in this journal entry... Now that its finally fixed, maybe we'll see an increased amount of activity on the net.
Oh wait, I dunna think ita means what youa think ita means (Princess Bride quote, for you lame-o moderators):-P
First, the assumption. We are assuming that there is a sea under Europa's Ice Sheet, aren't we? Do we have any proof that there is a sea underneith?
The ethical question (with the assumption)... should we crack open the ice sheet to get to the sea? This is a sea that hasn't been exposed to anything above the ice for a looong time. We have no idea what effects this could cause....
Slashdot Mirror
I honestly think that /. should put michael on the criticising block, and let the community have at him. Maybe an interview with him.
That way we can ask him about censorware.
Ask him about the truth behind the rumors of him being a "moderating gustapo".
And ask him about his insulting to various slashdot readers.
Quickest way to kill rumors/conspiracy theories?
Get it out in the open.
I don't understand why anyone is still installing Kazaa, given their track record.
You get free sharing across a network, at the price of some advertising.
Lemmie put it into terms slashdotters will understand, at the cost of my karma (cause michael will slap this down in a matter of seconds):
I logged into slashdot today to find that there are LARGE ads in the middle of their articles! I don't understand why people use this site, after their trackrecord of ignoring their users, abusing their power, and insulting the users!
Is that example a troll? A flamebait?
Then so is the article explanation by michael!
So now you are assuming that all the users of the software can code, understand the source, and modify it?
I thought the idea of open source was to build the source and not care about what the user does with the software, except selling it.
Now, if the user REALLY cared about security, you think she/he'd check for updates from time to time?
Hehehe... This is funny... the YRO guy publishes an article that takes "free" out of "free software" (you are being "forced" to do something). LOL! Only on slashdot...
Lets not even get into all the nice open source programmers spending time putting in something that some 1337 d00d will remove in a matter of seconds upon release.
If the sysadmin CARED about security, he'd upgrade his software, wouldn't he?
Open source software. I thought the idea was to make it free and not care about what people do with it (except sell it for money). Now we care? Come on!
Open Source is about not forcing you to do anything
;-)
EXACTLY.
You're taking the "Free" out of "Free software".
Only evil proprietary companies force you to do stuff, right?
To add a touch to your point: write a "well written" program in perl and a "well written" program in Java, and find a random non-programming person.
Which can he read easier?
Probably the one without the freaky symbol thingies.
I think you're seeing a lesson learned from perl5.
Before perl5, Larry was told "people want OO in perl", so Larry slapped OO onto perl, instead of resetting and adding OO elegantly. You've already mentioned the result( *wince* ).
Now stuff like Parrot and exception handling needs to be added to perl. But Larry says "Woo! Lets do it right this time" and resets the language.
I think its just a lesson learned (for all language developers, I hope), and hopefully the last reset in perl.
Heh... reminds me of a simpsons episode:
This tastes horrible! What's in it?
We've resorted to using Grade F meat.
Grade F meat: Circus animals, mostly filler
Isn't it funny. All the editors think this is just a personal site of theirs, and they don't need to have a perfessional manner.
The fact is, they are a professional website, they get paid for running it, and they should act like professionals.
Don't even get me started on how rude Michael really is, either...
Yeah, this is offtopic, and will get modded down... but...
Taco, if you are looking for a replacement for Katz, might I suggest the author of the parent post (Ars-Fartsica)?
Just check out his journal. Not only is it a nice set of original content that is well written, it is all technical and written for the "nerd population."
Personally, I'd much rather read what Ars has to say on the frontpage, than Katz.
Every religion has fanatics/fundamentalists.
These are the violent ones. Islam is a peaceful religion, but terrorists are fanatics that twist the religion to do their bidding, which is violent.
Think of David Coresh. He was a Christian fundamentalist. He killed cops, and got a whole load of people to kill themselves.
Is Christianity not a peaceful religion?
maybe you should tell Katz that either he comes up with original material
Funny thing is... wasn't that the reason Katz was hired?
Original Content.
Someone should tell him that rehashing old original content doesn't make the new article original content...
Funny point #2... Taco has considered it before...
Goddamnit... first time I was really trolled in a looong time. Nice one ;-)
...CmdrTaco gets the absolute shit beaten out of him by disgruntled readers. He should of listened to his audience when they complained of the uselessness of the fourth April Fools article, but Taco preceeded to post an addition twenty-three articles.
Good Lord! Have you used Java?
I'm a J2EE consultant.
Granted Perl can be a bit cryptic if you want, but at least Perl lets you do what you want!
Yeah, perl's great for scripting admin type stuff, but an enterprise website?
I can't do operator overloading in Java, because SUN DECIDED I'M TOO STUPID AND MIGHT SCREW IT UP. WELL THANK YOU SUN FOR SAVING ME FROM MYSELF!
God is typing "object.equals( object )" that much harder than "object = object"?
And don't get me started on the performance of any java implementation (sans the jikes compiler, which isn't really an implementation obviously).
Have you tried Java after version 1.2? Yeah, 1.1 stank something aweful, but the newer versions fly (on all platforms). And since you are so apt to perl, find some comparisions on large enterprise websites in Perl vs. large enterprise websites using J2EE. Then talk to me about performance.
Perl lets you get the friggin job done, however you want. Just like any reasonably designed language should. Java tries to save the programmer from him/her self and ends up getting in the way of getting anything done.
Yeah, like "saving" the programmer from memory leaks and deconstruction. Cause making destructors is what programming is about!
Lemmie guess, you're just an old-time programmer afraid that his job is at stake, because of these "new fangled" languages cut out difficult stuff like deallocation, and put more of the emphasis on the actual application...
Don't worry, most of your slashdot friends are elitests also...
Transmeta has a better chance of delivering the world ubiquitous cross-platform applications than Java.
First of all, apples and oranges. Transmeta was doing it hardware-wise, and Sun is doing it software wise.
Second of all, Sun gives away the compilers and VMs, where you'd have to BUY the Transmeta hardware.
And that's not saying much.
No, you aren't saying much. You sound like a regular bigot/elitest. You can't stand stuff like "Java", because you tried it when it first appeared, hated it cause it wasn't mature, and insult it to this day (when was the last time you tried it?), and you only go by hearsay about the newer versions.
I suppose you are a Linux bigot, also. Think MS SUX0RS D00D! when you last tried windows was 98 (not 2k nor XP).
BTW - If you were trolling, it was a good one. If you weren't you're a bigot/elitest.
Now, seeing that all the "unlimited point" moderators (read: Editors) start slamming people complaining about April Fools, will they have the nuts to mod down Bruce Perens for being fed up??
Hehe, April 1st might be the start of a movement for moderation reform (similar to a bowel movement).
This should be a great boon to Java, a language renown for, well, sucking. But at the expense of the greatest of all languages? It's just to sad for me to express in words. I mean, who uses java anyway?
For Gawwwwds Sake!
Don't even get me started at how much faster, how much cleaner, how much easier to add to, and how much more efficient an enterprise site, like slashdot, would benefit from the full use of J2EE, including EJB's and a nice webcontainer (You can even stay with OpenSource and use Tomcat and JBoss.
Wow, this is the first troll I bit on in a loooong time...
I feel bad for any "REAL" news issues today. Cause I haven't taken anything seriously at all today.
Cancer could be solved today and everyone would think it was a joke...
Mad propz to the editor that forgot to !
Your an inspiration to us all!
ohhh... k
:-)
Thanks for clearin that up for me
but if light is energy
Haven't had this discussion in years, so I, too, may be wrong. But IIRC Einstein proved that light is particles that moved like energy (in a waveform).
I was able to stop time!
But only for a second...
how trolling the web is not nearly as much fun as it used to be.
:-P
No, I think the "page widening posts" have been the reason there aren't any good trolling around here, as described in this journal entry... Now that its finally fixed, maybe we'll see an increased amount of activity on the net.
Oh wait, I dunna think ita means what youa think ita means (Princess Bride quote, for you lame-o moderators)
Yeah, which book?
(I'm a late SciFi reader, so I haven't read any of his novels, but I have read a few of his novellas).
First, the assumption. We are assuming that there is a sea under Europa's Ice Sheet, aren't we? Do we have any proof that there is a sea underneith?
The ethical question (with the assumption)... should we crack open the ice sheet to get to the sea? This is a sea that hasn't been exposed to anything above the ice for a looong time. We have no idea what effects this could cause....