the point was, the farmer was trying to make it sound like this is the solution to all of our future power problems; using cows as a our main resource.
I don't drink or eat cows. Yet I still eat... amazing eh?
~long term~
You're right. We won't stop till there's not enough land for cows. Just like we won't stop using oil until there's not enough oil left.
Of course there won't be enough land to produce vegetables either at some point, and we will have to use snythetic soil means, but cows will either be long gone before that, or the torture of them will increase.
Regardless... The sooner you become more efficient, and cleaner, the better for everyone.
I'm talking about longer term solution. This isn't one. The farmer is calling this the "way of the future".
I don't think cows enter into the "way of the future" in any fashion.
Even producing enough electricity to power their own farm and a few more homes doesn't make up for how inneficient it is compared to other solutions, namely ones that don't include drink milk.
They Earth will be fine. What you should be worrying about is animal and plant life. Namely, human life. Unless you are the type who doesn't care about the survival of his or her own species.
I agree. People label gentoo as newbie-unfriendly because you don't just pop in a CD and stare at pretty pictures for 30 minutes, then reboot straight into X and start browsing the web. A lot of people seem to think that a newbie-friendly linux should be a MS Windows desktop replacement.
Gentoo definitely gives the power user as much control as they need, but it's not as if a newbie has to utilize all of this from the getgo.
Someone who is truly interested in learning a unix-like os but not exactly ready to start configuring and compiling sources is given a break with gentoo.
For anyone not familiar with any kind of ports tree... They've developed a software tree based on (i think it's based on it at least) the BSD ports system. They have a set of autobuild scripts that will download, configure, compile, and install the software for you, automatically, just by using the emerge tool. Ex: #emerge vi
When it finishes you'll be able to run vi.
Anyhow, even if you are a newbie, give Gentoo a shot. read more about it here: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml
No, that's what they would do in the process of making an example. Their *reason* for making an example would be that the government doesn't have a grasp of computer technology and wants to scare people that it considers a threat in that sector; scaring them so they won't try anything. Too bad that doesn't do anything but hurt system security.
I think everyone involved with the screw up of the Mitnick situation should be charged.
In other words, you see the computer world made up of servers and laptops?
Doesn't your statement further verify what I said? Intel designed that architecture to uphold their margins, which means, they are impossible to put in anything but a server based on their extreme cost and extreme heat?
I find it amusing that, even though you think what I said was folly, you pile more folly on top of it.
I'm not saying he doesn't lie to the public or that he doesn't practice despicable business, but I don't see any reason to continue to repeat unaccredited quotes attached to his name.
Intel still wants to keep rediculous margins for their products. AMD's approach brings everything closer together. The fastest computers are being built out of cheap consumer level processors, so why have incredibly expensive "server" processors?
Separation of consumer and "server" processors is just marketing, which is Intel's strongest talent (like Microsoft).
I'd hate to think that OSX was designed to be as static and simple as something with pushbutton-results like a CD player. I guess you were just making an example of a solid operating system. I don't think that was a valid analogy though given the simplicity of a CD player's software, and the bad tangents created comparing a computer to a CD player.
You actually seem to make it clear why you are interested in OSX and not Linux though; because you expect the results that OSX gives, not the results that Linux gives. Some people want what Linux has. I disagree with you and the other people who are saying that Linux isn't ready for the desktop. I've been using Linux on my desktop since 95. It's my favorite and best suited desktop environment. It might not be right for you, but saying that it isn't right for everyone is too generalizing. Are you talking about what is the best environment for the average user who isn't interested in computers for anything beyond consuming media?
So are you honestly trying to say that everyone should be more interested in OSX than Linux? If so... you need to rethink that one.
I'm interested in hearing some more about OSX being a cheaper solution than Linux. If you feel like writing:)
Linux is also the approach to an operating environment, the Linux sprung OSS projects, and all of the communities built around it all. That is basically what I got out of his post. I'm not interested in any kind of apple community because it's closed off.
On the other hand, if all you care about are the applications that work in just about any UNIX environment, why not at least stick with an OS that isn't controlled by a company who also controls the hardware it runs on?
I'd only consider OSX in this case (if I was so inclined) because of the obvious reasons (designed for the architecture etc).
You could pass it through the field of a powerful magnet. I'm a physics tard, so I don't know if you could pass it through a magnet strong enough to damage any of the electronics in it or anything.
"I've said some stupid things and some wrong things, but not that. No one involved in telegraphy would ever say that a certain amount of cable is enough for all time. The need for cable increases as telegraphs get more potent and morse code gets more powerful. In fact, every couple of years the amount of cable physical length needed to run whatever morse code is mainstream at the time just about doubles. This is well-known." Sandford Fleming (not really)
People really need to get past that penis car joke BS. It's just too obvious to even approach being witty, and it never was all that funny. I don't know anyone that seems like they had to buy a big car to make up for some lack of genital size, or insecurity in genital size. Funny thing is that, the guy I know with the nicest car has a hugest schlong too. And before someone comes ou with some kind of "oh so you've been checking schlong size?" He's "the friend with big schlong." Like you have the smart friend, the asshole friend, the in jail friend, the drinks 3 cases riend, and so on.
My point wasn't that we need to stop vaccinating, just that it's a possible cause and should be investigated. I've seen studies that say there are no connection, and studies that say there are.
Did you verify the doctors in those quotes? Or did you immediately assume that they were not accredited?
Here are more links. The one I put in my initial post was just one I pulled one off the top of my search at google, with intent of making people aware, not to assume that I meant that vaccination should be stopped.
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/autism.html
http://www.this-is-health.com/
http://www.inetplus.net/~autism/link/vaccinations. html
http://www.altcorp.com/autismvaccines.htm
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Relative to any food you can buy. By "lowest" I meant the worst food in comparison to all other food available.
Fast food isn't healthy. Just because the FDA says it isn't poisonous doesn't mean it's healthy.
It has almost no fiber. You need fiber to keep your colon moving efficiently. If your colon blocks up, you aren't efficiently eliminating disease from the most massive route of your elimination system.
The meats used are the lowest quality legally sold. The animals are the most heavily treated with antibiotics and steroids, the food they eat has the highest quantities of pesticides and insecticides, and the conditions the animals live in are the most unhealthy, of meat legally sold. The same goes for the dairy products in fast food as well.
It's loaded with cholesterol. The fat in the food is like a drug. It draws people back to the food. And the cholesterol in the fat causes blockage in your arteries.
Thus the worst food you can buy.
You are a zombie if you think the AMA has nothing but your best interests in mind. Money making organizations have their best interest in mind. Your best interests just sometimes collide with theirs. They don't shut down people who are healing the sick with means other than AMA accepted because they think they're hurting people. How can they have our best interest in mind if they shut down clinics people went to after their doctors repeatedly failed? Doctors are ran out of business just by use natural methods that can have absolutely NO negative side effects, in combination with their normal treatment. The AMA exercises a monopoly of healthcare in the country. I can't go to a natural clinic because the AMA shuts them all down. I can't buy a bottle of herbal extract, that is nothing but food, without seeing a label that says "consult your doctors before consuming this." That should be on all food then. If I can't eat a bottle of garlic extract (which I don't, just an example) without seeing "consult your physician" why can I go to McDonalds and buy a piece of trash called food that doesn't have it on the wrapper as well, even though it's fact that the continued consumption of that garbage causes health problems?
It's true that the AMA has finally been saying to eat healthier. But they aren't saying how important eating healthy is. If your body can't eliminate disease, your immune system can't keep you healthy. The AMA is slowly starting to come around to telling us what kind of foods to eat, but the doctors who actually say it get ridiculed by other doctors.
My experience with this is this: I've had recurring lung problems since I was a kid. And I've had a cold nearly once a month since I was a kid. No doctor that I've seen out of the dozen or so suggested that I adjust my diet beyond what I was already eating. They just diagnosed me and gave me pills, and told me to rest through the current symptoms at the time. *I* healed those problems on my own. My last case with my lungs was an infection in late February. In March I got mononucleosis. I had finally started learning about how food affects your health, so I asked the doctor, after she diagnosed me with mono, if I should adjust my diet to help get over this disease. My diet consisted generally of the occasional salad, the occasional steak, the occasional plate of pasta, meatball sub, vegetable pasta, Thai dishes, Indian dishes, Mexican dishes, a lot of water, a little juice, and so on. She said my diet was ok and that it wouldn't make any difference. That was the last time I've seen a doctor. She said I would be sick for 6 months to a year due to my past record in responding to sickness and responding to medicine. I said to hell with that and started looking into natural ways of healing mono. I immediately went on a juice fast and started taking colon corrective pills. I didn't take the steroids she gave me to reduce the swelling of my tonsils. After the first week I stopped only drinking juice and started eating raw fruits and vegetable as well. That has been the majority of my diet ever since. I was back in the park running after 6 weeks of being sick. That was 6 weeks starting from when I began feeling a little weaker, through the stage of my tonsils swelling and my body was shutting down, and through the chronic fatigue part of the sickness. I also started seeing a chiropractor after she disagnosed me, and I found out that my immune system nerves were challenged, which would have resulted in a longer time being sick. Regardless, I haven't been sick since; no cold, no lung infection, no stuffy nose, no sore throats, no swollen glands, etc. I haven't even gotten sick when the viruses were passing around at work. Before March, I always got sick when viruses went around the office. This has made me a bit of an acknowledger that eating purely healthy is the key to not getting sick. The AMA hasn't said that. The AMA isn't making a lot of effort to address the pesticides on foods, or the foods animals eat, or the chemicals we put into animals to promote their growth and production.
I never said that it's in the fast food industries best interest to kill us off. You are actually the first person I've ever seen say that. It's just not in their best interest to offer you quality food. They offer food that is as cheap as possible to make. That's why they are moving their food production out of the country so they can get cheaper labor, have lower standards of production, less costly work conditions. That's why everything you state in a fast food restaurant like McDonalds comes out of a perfume plant, because it costs a lot produce food that actually has flavor. That's why they market to children, who can't responsible make purchasing decisions on their own, can whine their parents into going to McDonalds, and why they have playgrounds at McDonalds. Can you think of some less healthy food available in the country than McDonalds? It really bothers me that these places have a playground at them. And, their need to make as much money as possible, and to please their share holders, is why they have such strict labor situations. They will shutdown stores that get close to forming unions. They try to keep labor as young as possible because they cost less. They try to keep non-fulltime labor as much as possible, because you don't have to pay them benefits. And so on. The last thing on their mind is quality food, or your health.
What's more ridiculous is an empty claim. How about backing it up with something? Pointing at someone and attempting to insult, instead of criticize or offer any kind of valid disagreement whatsoever is pretty irresponsible. It doesn't help anyone except perhaps you, if you have some degenerated personality disorder. Or maybe you just disagree, but you don't know why you disagree. You gave me so little to work with, but you seem to be a product of the media and just another drone that doesn't have either the mind power or education to have a clue about reality beyond what has been sold to you.
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the point was, the farmer was trying to make it sound like this is the solution to all of our future power problems; using cows as a our main resource.
I don't drink or eat cows. Yet I still eat... amazing eh?
~long term~
You're right. We won't stop till there's not enough land for cows. Just like we won't stop using oil until there's not enough oil left.
Of course there won't be enough land to produce vegetables either at some point, and we will have to use snythetic soil means, but cows will either be long gone before that, or the torture of them will increase.
Regardless... The sooner you become more efficient, and cleaner, the better for everyone.
Or the cow ate the average american diet, which includes dairy.
Compare the definition of redundant with the number of times this joke showed up, and you might be able to answer your own question.
I'm talking about longer term solution. This isn't one. The farmer is calling this the "way of the future".
I don't think cows enter into the "way of the future" in any fashion.
Even producing enough electricity to power their own farm and a few more homes doesn't make up for how inneficient it is compared to other solutions, namely ones that don't include drink milk.
Other than the fact that burning manure has nothing to do with the article, coal doesn't come out of cow ass.
800 cows to power 80 homes. That's 10 cow per home. That's amazing efficiency.
I'll just go out back and feed the 10 cows, each of which who consumes more than my entire family.
I hope no one really thinks this is a good idea.
We'd be better off using the land wasted on the cows, to produce biodiesel.
Not that I expected a cow farmer to be the oracle of economic efficiency or anything...
They Earth will be fine. What you should be worrying about is animal and plant life. Namely, human life. Unless you are the type who doesn't care about the survival of his or her own species.
I agree. People label gentoo as newbie-unfriendly because you don't just pop in a CD and stare at pretty pictures for 30 minutes, then reboot straight into X and start browsing the web. A lot of people seem to think that a newbie-friendly linux should be a MS Windows desktop replacement.
Gentoo definitely gives the power user as much control as they need, but it's not as if a newbie has to utilize all of this from the getgo.
Someone who is truly interested in learning a unix-like os but not exactly ready to start configuring and compiling sources is given a break with gentoo.
For anyone not familiar with any kind of ports tree... They've developed a software tree based on (i think it's based on it at least) the BSD ports system. They have a set of autobuild scripts that will download, configure, compile, and install the software for you, automatically, just by using the emerge tool. Ex:
#emerge vi
When it finishes you'll be able to run vi.
Anyhow, even if you are a newbie, give Gentoo a shot.
read more about it here:
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml
You're right, it's in the 2.5 Kernel, just like support for ext2 is in the 2.5 Kernel.
Do you mean that it requires the 2.5 Kernel? Cause there you are just wrong. It's running fine on my 2.4 kernel.
No, that's what they would do in the process of making an example. Their *reason* for making an example would be that the government doesn't have a grasp of computer technology and wants to scare people that it considers a threat in that sector; scaring them so they won't try anything. Too bad that doesn't do anything but hurt system security.
I think everyone involved with the screw up of the Mitnick situation should be charged.
In other words, you see the computer world made up of servers and laptops?
Doesn't your statement further verify what I said? Intel designed that architecture to uphold their margins, which means, they are impossible to put in anything but a server based on their extreme cost and extreme heat?
I find it amusing that, even though you think what I said was folly, you pile more folly on top of it.
I'm not saying he doesn't lie to the public or that he doesn't practice despicable business, but I don't see any reason to continue to repeat unaccredited quotes attached to his name.
Ockhamm's Razor is your friend.
No you are thinking of the 640K quote aren't you? And Bill Gates never said that 640K quote anyway.
Intel still wants to keep rediculous margins for their products. AMD's approach brings everything closer together. The fastest computers are being built out of cheap consumer level processors, so why have incredibly expensive "server" processors?
Separation of consumer and "server" processors is just marketing, which is Intel's strongest talent (like Microsoft).
Nothing, as long as you don't mind slaughtering animals, using the land less efficiently, and getting colon, and other lovely cancers
We could just grow the calculator in their head...
I'd hate to think that OSX was designed to be as static and simple as something with pushbutton-results like a CD player. I guess you were just making an example of a solid operating system. I don't think that was a valid analogy though given the simplicity of a CD player's software, and the bad tangents created comparing a computer to a CD player.
:)
You actually seem to make it clear why you are interested in OSX and not Linux though; because you expect the results that OSX gives, not the results that Linux gives. Some people want what Linux has. I disagree with you and the other people who are saying that Linux isn't ready for the desktop. I've been using Linux on my desktop since 95. It's my favorite and best suited desktop environment. It might not be right for you, but saying that it isn't right for everyone is too generalizing. Are you talking about what is the best environment for the average user who isn't interested in computers for anything beyond consuming media?
So are you honestly trying to say that everyone should be more interested in OSX than Linux?
If so... you need to rethink that one.
I'm interested in hearing some more about OSX being a cheaper solution than Linux. If you feel like writing
Linux is also the approach to an operating environment, the Linux sprung OSS projects, and all of the communities built around it all. That is basically what I got out of his post. I'm not interested in any kind of apple community because it's closed off.
On the other hand, if all you care about are the applications that work in just about any UNIX environment, why not at least stick with an OS that isn't controlled by a company who also controls the hardware it runs on?
I'd only consider OSX in this case (if I was so inclined) because of the obvious reasons (designed for the architecture etc).
You could pass it through the field of a powerful magnet. I'm a physics tard, so I don't know if you could pass it through a magnet strong enough to damage any of the electronics in it or anything.
"I've said some stupid things and some wrong things, but not that. No one involved in telegraphy would ever say that a certain amount of cable is enough for all time.
The need for cable increases as telegraphs get more potent and morse code gets more powerful. In fact, every couple of years the amount of cable physical length needed to run whatever morse code is mainstream at the time just about doubles. This is well-known."
Sandford Fleming (not really)
People really need to get past that penis car joke BS. It's just too obvious to even approach being witty, and it never was all that funny. I don't know anyone that seems like they had to buy a big car to make up for some lack of genital size, or insecurity in genital size. Funny thing is that, the guy I know with the nicest car has a hugest schlong too. And before someone comes ou with some kind of "oh so you've been checking schlong size?" He's "the friend with big schlong." Like you have the smart friend, the asshole friend, the in jail friend, the drinks 3 cases riend, and so on.
2^10 Chickens in SMC configuration.
But Bill Gates would have said:
"640 KC ought to be enough for anybody"
My point wasn't that we need to stop vaccinating, just that it's a possible cause and should be investigated. I've seen studies that say there are no connection, and studies that say there are.
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Did you verify the doctors in those quotes? Or did you immediately assume that they were not accredited?
Here are more links. The one I put in my initial post was just one I pulled one off the top of my search at google, with intent of making people aware, not to assume that I meant that vaccination should be stopped.
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/autism.html
http://www.this-is-health.com/
http://www.inetplus.net/~autism/link/vaccinations
http://www.altcorp.com/autismvaccines.htm
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Relative to any food you can buy. By "lowest" I meant the worst food in comparison to all other food available.
Fast food isn't healthy. Just because the FDA says it isn't poisonous doesn't mean it's healthy. It has almost no fiber. You need fiber to keep your colon moving efficiently. If your colon blocks up, you aren't efficiently eliminating disease from the most massive route of your elimination system.
The meats used are the lowest quality legally sold. The animals are the most heavily treated with antibiotics and steroids, the food they eat has the highest quantities of pesticides and insecticides, and the conditions the animals live in are the most unhealthy, of meat legally sold. The same goes for the dairy products in fast food as well.
It's loaded with cholesterol. The fat in the food is like a drug. It draws people back to the food. And the cholesterol in the fat causes blockage in your arteries.
Thus the worst food you can buy.
You are a zombie if you think the AMA has nothing but your best interests in mind. Money making organizations have their best interest in mind. Your best interests just sometimes collide with theirs. They don't shut down people who are healing the sick with means other than AMA accepted because they think they're hurting people. How can they have our best interest in mind if they shut down clinics people went to after their doctors repeatedly failed? Doctors are ran out of business just by use natural methods that can have absolutely NO negative side effects, in combination with their normal treatment. The AMA exercises a monopoly of healthcare in the country. I can't go to a natural clinic because the AMA shuts them all down. I can't buy a bottle of herbal extract, that is nothing but food, without seeing a label that says "consult your doctors before consuming this." That should be on all food then. If I can't eat a bottle of garlic extract (which I don't, just an example) without seeing "consult your physician" why can I go to McDonalds and buy a piece of trash called food that doesn't have it on the wrapper as well, even though it's fact that the continued consumption of that garbage causes health problems?
It's true that the AMA has finally been saying to eat healthier. But they aren't saying how important eating healthy is. If your body can't eliminate disease, your immune system can't keep you healthy. The AMA is slowly starting to come around to telling us what kind of foods to eat, but the doctors who actually say it get ridiculed by other doctors.
My experience with this is this: I've had recurring lung problems since I was a kid. And I've had a cold nearly once a month since I was a kid. No doctor that I've seen out of the dozen or so suggested that I adjust my diet beyond what I was already eating. They just diagnosed me and gave me pills, and told me to rest through the current symptoms at the time. *I* healed those problems on my own. My last case with my lungs was an infection in late February. In March I got mononucleosis. I had finally started learning about how food affects your health, so I asked the doctor, after she diagnosed me with mono, if I should adjust my diet to help get over this disease. My diet consisted generally of the occasional salad, the occasional steak, the occasional plate of pasta, meatball sub, vegetable pasta, Thai dishes, Indian dishes, Mexican dishes, a lot of water, a little juice, and so on. She said my diet was ok and that it wouldn't make any difference. That was the last time I've seen a doctor. She said I would be sick for 6 months to a year due to my past record in responding to sickness and responding to medicine. I said to hell with that and started looking into natural ways of healing mono. I immediately went on a juice fast and started taking colon corrective pills. I didn't take the steroids she gave me to reduce the swelling of my tonsils. After the first week I stopped only drinking juice and started eating raw fruits and vegetable as well. That has been the majority of my diet ever since. I was back in the park running after 6 weeks of being sick. That was 6 weeks starting from when I began feeling a little weaker, through the stage of my tonsils swelling and my body was shutting down, and through the chronic fatigue part of the sickness. I also started seeing a chiropractor after she disagnosed me, and I found out that my immune system nerves were challenged, which would have resulted in a longer time being sick. Regardless, I haven't been sick since; no cold, no lung infection, no stuffy nose, no sore throats, no swollen glands, etc. I haven't even gotten sick when the viruses were passing around at work. Before March, I always got sick when viruses went around the office. This has made me a bit of an acknowledger that eating purely healthy is the key to not getting sick. The AMA hasn't said that. The AMA isn't making a lot of effort to address the pesticides on foods, or the foods animals eat, or the chemicals we put into animals to promote their growth and production.
I never said that it's in the fast food industries best interest to kill us off. You are actually the first person I've ever seen say that. It's just not in their best interest to offer you quality food. They offer food that is as cheap as possible to make. That's why they are moving their food production out of the country so they can get cheaper labor, have lower standards of production, less costly work conditions. That's why everything you state in a fast food restaurant like McDonalds comes out of a perfume plant, because it costs a lot produce food that actually has flavor. That's why they market to children, who can't responsible make purchasing decisions on their own, can whine their parents into going to McDonalds, and why they have playgrounds at McDonalds. Can you think of some less healthy food available in the country than McDonalds? It really bothers me that these places have a playground at them. And, their need to make as much money as possible, and to please their share holders, is why they have such strict labor situations. They will shutdown stores that get close to forming unions. They try to keep labor as young as possible because they cost less. They try to keep non-fulltime labor as much as possible, because you don't have to pay them benefits. And so on. The last thing on their mind is quality food, or your health.
What's more ridiculous is an empty claim. How about backing it up with something? Pointing at someone and attempting to insult, instead of criticize or offer any kind of valid disagreement whatsoever is pretty irresponsible. It doesn't help anyone except perhaps you, if you have some degenerated personality disorder. Or maybe you just disagree, but you don't know why you disagree. You gave me so little to work with, but you seem to be a product of the media and just another drone that doesn't have either the mind power or education to have a clue about reality beyond what has been sold to you.