As far as I know Chrome does not encrypt the bookmarks at all. It's also only the bookmarks afaik that are saved
As for the memory, several tests have been made with what seemed to be accurate measurements, although it's not been made vs FF4 I expect results to be similar at least. Eg http://dotnetperls.com/chrome-memory
Can anyone give a quick explanation of the relative pros/cons of Firefox4 vs. Chrome?
Although I find Chrome's interface a little uncomfortable (as a long-time Firefox user), I don't really know if there's a big reason to prefer one over the other. So a big delay of FF4 seems kind of irrelevant to me: I'd just use FF3 or Chrome.
Let's have a real one:
Chrome uses one process per tab - it uses a lot of memory Firefox uses one process per plug, the rest is threaded - it uses way less memory (by a large difference if you start opening tabs)
Chrome starts very quickly Firefox starts slower
Chrome updates silently in the background, its rather bad if you like to be in control of your PC (if Google decides evil or someone hack their update service, you get your trojan served silently) Firefox downloads in the background but prompt for update - it's less convenient
Firefox allows you to store all your settings (bookmarks, history, tabs open, passwords, etc) strongly encrypted on mozilla's servers, or on your own personal server. You can even retrieve them from Firefox for Android and other platforms Chrome, not
Chrome extensions do not require a browser restart and are instantly useable Firefox extensions require restart
Chrome calls home in various ways, sending statistics to Google Firefox does not
Firefox & Chrome rendering speed including javascript are feeling equivalent
Chrome is updated far more often, with small updates Firefox has large updates, but more rarely
I don't really think the rest matters. I use Firefox because they stick to their ideals, it's fast enough and it's promising. I don't care about having "the newest thing around" (which is the only real reason people use Chrome and despise Firefox. It always happen that way)
Fact is, both are good browsers. Even IE9 and Opera are. And that's all thanks to Mozilla for pushing for standards and sticking to ideals.
The thing is, Firefox 4 is still beta and they complain about the bugs already. Complain about stuff like the titlebar.. yet clicking the bugtraq reference results in "VERIFIED FIXED" and they fear it won't be fixed in Firefox 4.0 final.. wtf?
And I mean come on. A development version has bug. End of the world.
I too see these random bouts of "Not Responding" from time to time on the recent 4.0 betas. I can't even seem to find a bug filed for it.
Because it means nothing. Not responding can happen for a million of different reasons (which usually are not related to Firefox itself, by the way) and it's very hard to find out the reason if it's unreproducable (aka you need a way to consistently reproduce to post a bug report)
This should be "fixed" when the interface is in it's own process like Fennec. That is, you won't get the message even if you have crap going on that lock up the interface (like Chrome).
But you shouldn't have that crap to begin with - regular Win 7 and FF Minefield here, it never hangs up.
To many people, like is about recognition. many, many people. So you actually are lucky. Being happy with what you have and of what you do, it's a blessing
that's kinda true. it's not that you get dummer or something. but when you are around 30, you start having a family (that takes a lot of time..), look back at life, get bored by many other things, wanna enjoy your time before your life ends, in short, you have less time to learn and think about a bright future. it's not always true, but certainly holds itself in general.
clicked edit too slow! My manager is paid 2.3x my salary. he told me, i saw it on his papers too.
Negotiating my salary with the boss, i told him that i'm really paid low. He said i'm paid nearly as much as the manager above me.. (yes i'm going, lol)
yeah i really never understood how people keep it quiet about their salaries. it's all the benefit of the company and the loss of the employees, unless they're really high ranked.
it's ok to have a manager that knows his stuff. it's better than a manager who never coded, that is for sure. so while urging them up to management and having no good coder is a mistake, having management who doesn't know what their workers are doing is another
Gee.. Job hopping. There is this REALLY neat thing called benefits (that you get ONLY after you've been at a company for some amount of time). This cool thing called a "Paid Vacation" is something else you only get after some amount of time.
I'll tell you this, when I interview I see someone who has been job hopping, I'll avoid them like the plague they are.
it depends what you define hopping. A job a year is still hopping? Maybe. A job in two year? Certainly not. After years (6) in a company i personally have no benefits and the salary is low (had zero bonus ever and I apparently i'm a cornerstone developer of the company) so i switch. if its the same in the next company i'll switch much faster (2 years probably). I bet what you call job hoppers started just the same as me. Companies exploit them and after a while they're fed up so they go get their money. And if they're worth it anyway, there will always be companies to take them at the higher salary.
Actually FF4 has been extremely well worked on. There are issues but in general its a huge step forward, especially the performance. It's a whole different animal in that regard, they did a good job.
i often have this status bar over actually text i wanna read, especially when theres javascript activity. It's better than FF4 but.. i prefered the FF3 status bar. Or that status goes into the url completely (not just partially like FF4)
I never understood the removal of the status bar to replace it with this crap either. I've read their bug report and how they say "its like that live with it". But I'm pretty sure it'll change in FF 4.1, 4.5 or 5 or 6 or whatever. Because it SUCKS.
You can see anything when you over a link unless your window is 4000 pixels wide (and that's not sarcasm, it *needs* 4000 pixels).
At *least* they could have made the link take the whole url bar when you go above it. It would even actually make sense as it shows the "next URL if you click".
As for SSL, you still get the box, simply it prefetch the certificate for you. That's fine in my book - in fact, that's better. Previous one was boring.
well if you judge a browser by the number of versions it releases, by all means keep Chrome.
If you think a little bit more, you'll see that FF4 features and changes is approximately as big as all the Chrome features changed between like 4 versions.
I find that Firefox 4 is actually a pretty good browser right now. The only place it loses to chrome is the application startup speed. Mozilla knows this and its what make users think it's slow *most* of the time.
But hey Chrome is a decent browser too. In fact even IE is not that bad anymore, thanks to Firefox competition mostly.
Well that make you sound like you need a lot of assistance in your life:p I pretty much like being able to decide if I should buy pizza with the cash or another thing and if I wanna take the car or not. I'm old enough!;) And that's also why I prefer Android (while far from perfect) to iOS on an ideological point of view
Actually you can upgrade via heimdal, odin or even just "self update" it - read XDA forums for details. I never use KIES - it's really really bad software:p The Galaxy S also has GingerBread through community ports but it's not fully functional for now. (Froyo 2.2.1 is through Samsung updates)
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As far as I know Chrome does not encrypt the bookmarks at all. It's also only the bookmarks afaik that are saved
As for the memory, several tests have been made with what seemed to be accurate measurements, although it's not been made vs FF4 I expect results to be similar at least. Eg http://dotnetperls.com/chrome-memory
Can anyone give a quick explanation of the relative pros/cons of Firefox4 vs. Chrome?
Although I find Chrome's interface a little uncomfortable (as a long-time Firefox user), I don't really know if there's a big reason to prefer one over the other. So a big delay of FF4 seems kind of irrelevant to me: I'd just use FF3 or Chrome.
Let's have a real one:
Chrome uses one process per tab - it uses a lot of memory
Firefox uses one process per plug, the rest is threaded - it uses way less memory (by a large difference if you start opening tabs)
Chrome starts very quickly
Firefox starts slower
Chrome updates silently in the background, its rather bad if you like to be in control of your PC (if Google decides evil or someone hack their update service, you get your trojan served silently)
Firefox downloads in the background but prompt for update - it's less convenient
Firefox allows you to store all your settings (bookmarks, history, tabs open, passwords, etc) strongly encrypted on mozilla's servers, or on your own personal server. You can even retrieve them from Firefox for Android and other platforms
Chrome, not
Chrome extensions do not require a browser restart and are instantly useable
Firefox extensions require restart
Chrome calls home in various ways, sending statistics to Google
Firefox does not
Firefox & Chrome rendering speed including javascript are feeling equivalent
Chrome is updated far more often, with small updates
Firefox has large updates, but more rarely
I don't really think the rest matters. I use Firefox because they stick to their ideals, it's fast enough and it's promising. I don't care about having "the newest thing around" (which is the only real reason people use Chrome and despise Firefox. It always happen that way)
Fact is, both are good browsers. Even IE9 and Opera are. And that's all thanks to Mozilla for pushing for standards and sticking to ideals.
And why would I want to have to click three times?
it's macos way of select.
single click: insert cursor
double click: select word
triple click: select line
to be honest, i think it's smart
The thing is, Firefox 4 is still beta and they complain about the bugs already. Complain about stuff like the titlebar.. yet clicking the bugtraq reference results in "VERIFIED FIXED" and they fear it won't be fixed in Firefox 4.0 final.. wtf?
And I mean come on. A development version has bug. End of the world.
Pure troll topic - thanks M Taco.
I too see these random bouts of "Not Responding" from time to time on the recent 4.0 betas. I can't even seem to find a bug filed for it.
Because it means nothing. Not responding can happen for a million of different reasons (which usually are not related to Firefox itself, by the way) and it's very hard to find out the reason if it's unreproducable (aka you need a way to consistently reproduce to post a bug report)
This should be "fixed" when the interface is in it's own process like Fennec. That is, you won't get the message even if you have crap going on that lock up the interface (like Chrome).
But you shouldn't have that crap to begin with - regular Win 7 and FF Minefield here, it never hangs up.
Firefox's complete interface engine is in Javascript. (have you ever looked at an XPI?)
So.. actually Javascript speed matters ESPECIALLY MUCH in Firefox. But hey.
I haven't got a clue how much anyone else gets paid
isn't hard to find out if you're getting the current average rate or not
so you actually got a clue ^^
To many people, like is about recognition. many, many people.
So you actually are lucky. Being happy with what you have and of what you do, it's a blessing
My workstation is 5y old you insensitive clod!
(and much less comfortable than my home pc to work on)
not sure if money is all that good in IT anymore
that's kinda true. it's not that you get dummer or something. but when you are around 30, you start having a family (that takes a lot of time..), look back at life, get bored by many other things, wanna enjoy your time before your life ends, in short, you have less time to learn and think about a bright future. it's not always true, but certainly holds itself in general.
clicked edit too slow!
My manager is paid 2.3x my salary. he told me, i saw it on his papers too.
Negotiating my salary with the boss, i told him that i'm really paid low. He said i'm paid nearly as much as the manager above me.. (yes i'm going, lol)
yeah i really never understood how people keep it quiet about their salaries. it's all the benefit of the company and the loss of the employees, unless they're really high ranked.
it's ok to have a manager that knows his stuff. it's better than a manager who never coded, that is for sure.
so while urging them up to management and having no good coder is a mistake, having management who doesn't know what their workers are doing is another
Gee.. Job hopping. There is this REALLY neat thing called benefits (that you get ONLY after you've been at a company for some amount of time). This cool thing called a "Paid Vacation" is something else you only get after some amount of time.
I'll tell you this, when I interview I see someone who has been job hopping, I'll avoid them like the plague they are.
it depends what you define hopping. A job a year is still hopping? Maybe. A job in two year? Certainly not. After years (6) in a company i personally have no benefits and the salary is low (had zero bonus ever and I apparently i'm a cornerstone developer of the company) so i switch. if its the same in the next company i'll switch much faster (2 years probably). I bet what you call job hoppers started just the same as me. Companies exploit them and after a while they're fed up so they go get their money. And if they're worth it anyway, there will always be companies to take them at the higher salary.
A Cortex A8 based CPU. Yep, lol. (FPU is heavily modified)
click Firefox=>Options=>menu bar and you're back to the 3.6 interface (except for the status bar..)
Actually FF4 has been extremely well worked on. There are issues but in general its a huge step forward, especially the performance. It's a whole different animal in that regard, they did a good job.
i often have this status bar over actually text i wanna read, especially when theres javascript activity. It's better than FF4 but.. i prefered the FF3 status bar. Or that status goes into the url completely (not just partially like FF4)
I never understood the removal of the status bar to replace it with this crap either. I've read their bug report and how they say "its like that live with it".
But I'm pretty sure it'll change in FF 4.1, 4.5 or 5 or 6 or whatever. Because it SUCKS.
You can see anything when you over a link unless your window is 4000 pixels wide (and that's not sarcasm, it *needs* 4000 pixels).
At *least* they could have made the link take the whole url bar when you go above it. It would even actually make sense as it shows the "next URL if you click".
As for SSL, you still get the box, simply it prefetch the certificate for you. That's fine in my book - in fact, that's better. Previous one was boring.
well if you judge a browser by the number of versions it releases, by all means keep Chrome.
If you think a little bit more, you'll see that FF4 features and changes is approximately as big as all the Chrome features changed between like 4 versions.
I find that Firefox 4 is actually a pretty good browser right now. The only place it loses to chrome is the application startup speed. Mozilla knows this and its what make users think it's slow *most* of the time.
But hey Chrome is a decent browser too. In fact even IE is not that bad anymore, thanks to Firefox competition mostly.
Work 8H a day.. but for free until the company is profitable!
Well that make you sound like you need a lot of assistance in your life :p ;)
I pretty much like being able to decide if I should buy pizza with the cash or another thing and if I wanna take the car or not. I'm old enough!
And that's also why I prefer Android (while far from perfect) to iOS on an ideological point of view
Actually you can upgrade via heimdal, odin or even just "self update" it - read XDA forums for details. I never use KIES - it's really really bad software :p
The Galaxy S also has GingerBread through community ports but it's not fully functional for now. (Froyo 2.2.1 is through Samsung updates)
Let's say atom-based device vs arm-based devices. But i'm pretty sure the author meant CPU's as "devices based on CPU x" ;-)
Doesn't make ARM's any less impressive. I'm pretty much fan of the OMAP4 actually -