I've read the new Nokia post as well now, and the guy not only wrote a lot of crap "haha Nokia you can't get me etc" on the net, but on top of that he's working for Samsung and gives away the Nokia prototypes there. (it's all in the comments here http://thenokiablog.com/2010/07/07/nokia-n8-property-eldar-murtazin/ )
Yes, that's what I'm thinking. They want to shut down the leaks, not to punish the bloggers or whichever tech site end up getting the devices. That's why there's no lawsuit, they don't care going after the tech fans, they know it's a bad move. Eventually they'd rather not make noise about it.
The guy who leaks stuff at Nokia will prolly get fired and stuff however.
Actually in it's blog I believe Nokia wrote "please return our babies" or something like that. No lawsuit etc. They just want the phones back and avoid bad press.
And yes, the phone is an early N8 prototype (from march). The reviewers named it N9 and started a lot of false rumors on it, despite (at least my) posts indicating it was a N8 and early Symbian ^3 on it.
The N8 that will ship soon is slightly different hardware wise, and vastly improved software wise.
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ISDN is some digital phone line, its very wide spread in some countries such as Germany. (Integrated Services Digital Network)
The ITU G.992.1 Annex B ADSL standard specify the ADSL modulation that works over ISDN. It's quite "recent", from 2005.
By poster I meant story poster;) I realized later its also from TFA anyway. I just meant to bring more precision/information to what you wrote basically.
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ADSL maximum is 8mbit over copper and 12mbit over ISDN. ADSL2+ is 24mbit maximum
So, 25mbps is not standard ADSL, *it does not even exist.* Moreover, reaching ADSL2+ maximum theoretical speed (24mbit) is extremely unlikely. Most of us have a speed between 1mbit and 20mbit in most cases (depending on line quality, modulation type, line distance to central, etc).
Disclaimer: that's sync speed (IP bandwidth is therefore LOWER)
using Linux as "OS" is just a language abuse and I hope you know it and you're just playing on words.
*buntu are different OS variants yes. Windows Server version XX is a different OS from Windows Server version YX and from Windows 7, even between 7's versions.
It's like that:)
Gentoo is a GNU/Linux based OS, where each and everyone creates their own OS. Meta-OS and meta-distribution (same linux LFS and other modifiable source based distros). So an OS can be a Linux distribution and a vice-versa. I'm not a language specialist (INALS ?!) but a Linux distribution is just a refinement from a GNU/Linux based OS. (note that by *based* it means it allows possible non-GNU software)
I can understand the confusion, but I don't know what's so shocking about it
Slight conclusion about packages: a package can be or not be part of an OS. It's usually an optional component. If it's distributed with the OS, then it's part of the OS.
It's not like the OS had functionality requiring a horde of daemons, or a core technology change using all your memory and swapping. I would even expect it to actually use less than the previous version, otherwise, they kind of blew it.
People enabling jail break wallpaper report enormous slowdown and battery life loss. That's not even animated its just an image displayed. While it makes sense it is disabled by default, there's something totally wrong there. It sounds like the OS memory requirements doubled and just adding a wallpaper is causing the phone to SWAP stuff out already (constant swapping around would explain the huge battery loss). One could easily say they just did that on purpose to force upgrades.
Anyone with a jail broken 3G cares to run "free" or "top" and check the memory status? It would be interesting to have the same output from the 3GS and 4 too, just to compare if something artificially uses more memory in the 3G.
Actually, Ubuntu is an operating system and a Linux distribution too. Linux is a kernel, not an operating system.
The operating system is composed of the kernel and all the applications necessary to run and use the system. (and sometimes -always these days- more additional applications)
Well you see I don't put words into your mouth:P I know only of the Nexus one has other phone that really has a problem with this, other phones have a much lower attenuation.
All phones have the "issue" because it's how radio waves work, however, the iPhone 4 has a real design flaw. It's a shame, since the receiver is actually good otherwise.
My "theory" is not really one, it's just data you can lookup and actually agrees with Anandtech.
Simply, many people think it's really a software issue and 24db is not much, but it's huge, and Anandtech didn't really emphasize that in a clear manner (well, they're not flamebait like me haha)
In my example @ 500m you would probably still see 5 bars on the iPhone while your range has been cut by 8x.
Since they are (24db) the measured db from Adnandtech, it's actually pretty precise and not much a of a theory vs practice thing.
1 phone is not some phones.. it's 1 phone and it's been critized as well when it was released.. The iphone4 has 24db loss. This is considerable:p
Every 3db you double the range. 24/3 = lose 8x range. 18/3 = 6x range
So, unless you're right next to the antenna you actually don't get a signal at all, that's why so many are affected!
Think about it:
When you have the best reception, you are at around -50dbm.
When you are at the worse reception you are at around -110dbm (which is pretty good reception capabilities by the way)
when you remove 24db that's between 1/3 and half of the phone possibilities (which is more than half the range of course, as said higher)
Still sounds little to you?
Let's make a small example that looks a little more shocking maybe. The base number is random, I do get signal over 15km with some phones and towers, it depends on the area and the tower's power, and the phone sensitivity, but it gives an idea. Inside cities, the range is much less so the impact is bigger.
iPhone "holding it wrong": 500m range Nexus 1 "holding it wrong": 666m (ops, the beast) iPhone "holding it right": 4km
I'd just thought i'd mention how Nokia idiots packed Gecko into the N900 and suddenly it was the best browser. Gecko is Firefox's engine. Just sayin'. Symbian's browser does suck and Opera mini is indeed a savior there.
I don't like the browser specific code as much as the next guy but sometimes you don't have a choice. Why? Cause the browsers simply don't render the same, or don't adhere to standards. At the end of the day, if you need your pages to work on all browsers, you often need a little trick here and here.
Now, most of these tricks are done using other detections than the user-agent (actually most of these are just CSS)
"You don't even have TRIM, we've had it for years. What's this platform?" "Look it's ok, without TRIM will still perform just as good as without because Mac OS X _is pure magic_ !!"/blindfolds on
Let's try another one:
"Your antenna hardware has a design fault, signal drop very significantly when held with the left hand, dropping call or connection instantly" "Look it's ok, Apple said they'll make a software patch cause it's a _bar display issue_ signal doesn't really drop!"/blindfolds on
Might be flamebait, but that's very much how it always sounds like to me:P Actually, it often sounds worse..
These guys have been using their proprietary software for decades, they're used to every single button. Then they switch over to radicaly different software interface (hi Gimp!) for a single day... of course they're way less efficient.
Certainly some software might lacks polish, but the conclusion that if they didn't adapt in ONE day the software isn't as efficient.. that's really quite flawed uh.
Most of these devices don't use frequency hopping (FHSS) or even DSSS or any kind of interference resistance algorithm. Also, they run on 2.4ghz band because it's license free. All you need is a dumb laptop running Linux, or even any other OS, with a wifi card. All you have to do is set the card into raw mode (on Linux, usually setting monitor mode) to be able to inject packet. Once done, inject packets as fast as you can on the same frequency. The packet contents doesn't matter at all. And done, jammed.
Works well against my Logitech G7, my Spektrum DX7 and a few other 2.4ghz "stupid" devices.
Of course, that's a DoS, and it's dumb, no exploits here. But the point is Bluetooth resists it. Still, I've a feeling such DoS will get more widespread, especially during demos. Jamming everyone's wifi with your own card is harder but possible, especially if you got a powerfull card, say 1W and others are running at 100mW tops.
his card actually support capture on Linux (not on Windows)
So live cd and start airodump, and hope the overpowering signal is actually wifi, else he won't see anything. if it's wifi, it's easy to track down even without triangulation. Just check the signal quality with a laptop as you move until you get close to the source.
but to interfere it must be a very high power signal, so i'm doubting this is the direct problem. something to test this easily, is to change the wifi channel completely, eg if you're channel 1 go to channel 11. that is because no device is using such a wide frequency range (unless its some custom crap running at a few whats just made to kill all wifi channels of course, but that's unlikely too).
finally, the most likely issue is something like that: there's some electronic system, heating, alarm, whatever, very nearby the router/access point that emit a strong enough signal (it doesnt even need to be on the same frequency range if its close enough) which enables at this time of the day..
or.. someone injects deauthentication packets to annoy you at this time everyday lately;P
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I've read the new Nokia post as well now, and the guy not only wrote a lot of crap "haha Nokia you can't get me etc" on the net, but on top of that he's working for Samsung and gives away the Nokia prototypes there. (it's all in the comments here http://thenokiablog.com/2010/07/07/nokia-n8-property-eldar-murtazin/ )
Quite of a bad guy actually :P
Yes, that's what I'm thinking. They want to shut down the leaks, not to punish the bloggers or whichever tech site end up getting the devices. That's why there's no lawsuit, they don't care going after the tech fans, they know it's a bad move. Eventually they'd rather not make noise about it.
The guy who leaks stuff at Nokia will prolly get fired and stuff however.
Actually in it's blog I believe Nokia wrote "please return our babies" or something like that. No lawsuit etc. They just want the phones back and avoid bad press.
And yes, the phone is an early N8 prototype (from march). The reviewers named it N9 and started a lot of false rumors on it, despite (at least my) posts indicating it was a N8 and early Symbian ^3 on it.
The N8 that will ship soon is slightly different hardware wise, and vastly improved software wise.
ISDN is some digital phone line, its very wide spread in some countries such as Germany. (Integrated Services Digital Network)
The ITU G.992.1 Annex B ADSL standard specify the ADSL modulation that works over ISDN. It's quite "recent", from 2005.
By poster I meant story poster ;) I realized later its also from TFA anyway. I just meant to bring more precision/information to what you wrote basically.
ADSL maximum is 8mbit over copper and 12mbit over ISDN.
ADSL2+ is 24mbit maximum
So, 25mbps is not standard ADSL, *it does not even exist.* Moreover, reaching ADSL2+ maximum theoretical speed (24mbit) is extremely unlikely. Most of us have a speed between 1mbit and 20mbit in most cases (depending on line quality, modulation type, line distance to central, etc).
Disclaimer: that's sync speed (IP bandwidth is therefore LOWER)
Believe it or not, I'm at work and theres a 8 month old baby here as well. he's funny but that's not very productive. so i end up posting on slashdot.
I'm not supposed to have a baby in the office anyway right!
(Now i'm on my way for -1 offtopic)
using Linux as "OS" is just a language abuse and I hope you know it and you're just playing on words.
*buntu are different OS variants yes.
Windows Server version XX is a different OS from Windows Server version YX and from Windows 7, even between 7's versions.
It's like that :)
Gentoo is a GNU/Linux based OS, where each and everyone creates their own OS. Meta-OS and meta-distribution (same linux LFS and other modifiable source based distros). So an OS can be a Linux distribution and a vice-versa. I'm not a language specialist (INALS ?!) but a Linux distribution is just a refinement from a GNU/Linux based OS. (note that by *based* it means it allows possible non-GNU software)
I can understand the confusion, but I don't know what's so shocking about it
Slight conclusion about packages: a package can be or not be part of an OS. It's usually an optional component. If it's distributed with the OS, then it's part of the OS.
Sorry, it's rainy outside, lot of writing time :)
Ubuntu includes non-free software.
It's not like the OS had functionality requiring a horde of daemons, or a core technology change using all your memory and swapping. I would even expect it to actually use less than the previous version, otherwise, they kind of blew it.
People enabling jail break wallpaper report enormous slowdown and battery life loss. That's not even animated its just an image displayed. While it makes sense it is disabled by default, there's something totally wrong there. It sounds like the OS memory requirements doubled and just adding a wallpaper is causing the phone to SWAP stuff out already (constant swapping around would explain the huge battery loss). One could easily say they just did that on purpose to force upgrades.
Anyone with a jail broken 3G cares to run "free" or "top" and check the memory status? It would be interesting to have the same output from the 3GS and 4 too, just to compare if something artificially uses more memory in the 3G.
Actually, Ubuntu is an operating system and a Linux distribution too. Linux is a kernel, not an operating system.
The operating system is composed of the kernel and all the applications necessary to run and use the system. (and sometimes -always these days- more additional applications)
You'll notice Ubuntu is referenced as operating system for that reason (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system) )
Well you see I don't put words into your mouth :P
I know only of the Nexus one has other phone that really has a problem with this, other phones have a much lower attenuation.
All phones have the "issue" because it's how radio waves work, however, the iPhone 4 has a real design flaw. It's a shame, since the receiver is actually good otherwise.
My "theory" is not really one, it's just data you can lookup and actually agrees with Anandtech.
Simply, many people think it's really a software issue and 24db is not much, but it's huge, and Anandtech didn't really emphasize that in a clear manner (well, they're not flamebait like me haha)
In my example @ 500m you would probably still see 5 bars on the iPhone while your range has been cut by 8x.
Since they are (24db) the measured db from Adnandtech, it's actually pretty precise and not much a of a theory vs practice thing.
1 phone is not some phones.. it's 1 phone and it's been critized as well when it was released.. The iphone4 has 24db loss. :p
This is considerable
Every 3db you double the range. 24/3 = lose 8x range. 18/3 = 6x range
So, unless you're right next to the antenna you actually don't get a signal at all, that's why so many are affected!
Think about it:
When you have the best reception, you are at around -50dbm.
When you are at the worse reception you are at around -110dbm (which is pretty good reception capabilities by the way)
when you remove 24db that's between 1/3 and half of the phone possibilities (which is more than half the range of course, as said higher)
Still sounds little to you?
Let's make a small example that looks a little more shocking maybe. The base number is random, I do get signal over 15km with some phones and towers, it depends on the area and the tower's power, and the phone sensitivity, but it gives an idea. Inside cities, the range is much less so the impact is bigger.
iPhone "holding it wrong": 500m range
Nexus 1 "holding it wrong": 666m (ops, the beast)
iPhone "holding it right": 4km
I'd just thought i'd mention how Nokia idiots packed Gecko into the N900 and suddenly it was the best browser. Gecko is Firefox's engine. Just sayin'. Symbian's browser does suck and Opera mini is indeed a savior there.
I don't like the browser specific code as much as the next guy but sometimes you don't have a choice.
Why? Cause the browsers simply don't render the same, or don't adhere to standards. At the end of the day, if you need your pages to work on all browsers, you often need a little trick here and here.
Now, most of these tricks are done using other detections than the user-agent (actually most of these are just CSS)
Are you being sarcastic or just proving my point?
24db loss is FAR from a slight loss. It means the range you can get an equivalent signal has just been divided by 8!
It's the traditional Mac news in my eyes.
"You don't even have TRIM, we've had it for years. What's this platform?" /blindfolds on
"Look it's ok, without TRIM will still perform just as good as without because Mac OS X _is pure magic_ !!"
Let's try another one:
"Your antenna hardware has a design fault, signal drop very significantly when held with the left hand, dropping call or connection instantly" /blindfolds on
"Look it's ok, Apple said they'll make a software patch cause it's a _bar display issue_ signal doesn't really drop!"
Might be flamebait, but that's very much how it always sounds like to me :P Actually, it often sounds worse..
These guys have been using their proprietary software for decades, they're used to every single button.
Then they switch over to radicaly different software interface (hi Gimp!) for a single day... of course they're way less efficient.
Certainly some software might lacks polish, but the conclusion that if they didn't adapt in ONE day the software isn't as efficient.. that's really quite flawed uh.
Most of these devices don't use frequency hopping (FHSS) or even DSSS or any kind of interference resistance algorithm. Also, they run on 2.4ghz band because it's license free.
All you need is a dumb laptop running Linux, or even any other OS, with a wifi card.
All you have to do is set the card into raw mode (on Linux, usually setting monitor mode) to be able to inject packet.
Once done, inject packets as fast as you can on the same frequency. The packet contents doesn't matter at all. And done, jammed.
Works well against my Logitech G7, my Spektrum DX7 and a few other 2.4ghz "stupid" devices.
Of course, that's a DoS, and it's dumb, no exploits here. But the point is Bluetooth resists it. Still, I've a feeling such DoS will get more widespread, especially during demos. Jamming everyone's wifi with your own card is harder but possible, especially if you got a powerfull card, say 1W and others are running at 100mW tops.
end of 2010 is a while for me :) :P
Especially as i'd like a new phone and am not satisfied with current offerings
(and i change phone rarely enough)
France is probably the most "big brother like" european country. the government is also quite corrupt.
Actually you can find most stuff in english here: http://www.laquadrature.net/en
there's also not directly france related stuf there.
coincidence! i have my birthday this year too!
xD
don't lie, the reason is just being human :)
his card actually support capture on Linux (not on Windows)
So live cd and start airodump, and hope the overpowering signal is actually wifi, else he won't see anything. if it's wifi, it's easy to track down even without triangulation.
Just check the signal quality with a laptop as you move until you get close to the source.
but to interfere it must be a very high power signal, so i'm doubting this is the direct problem. something to test this easily, is to change the wifi channel completely, eg if you're channel 1 go to channel 11. that is because no device is using such a wide frequency range (unless its some custom crap running at a few whats just made to kill all wifi channels of course, but that's unlikely too).
finally, the most likely issue is something like that:
there's some electronic system, heating, alarm, whatever, very nearby the router/access point that emit a strong enough signal (it doesnt even need to be on the same frequency range if its close enough) which enables at this time of the day..
or.. someone injects deauthentication packets to annoy you at this time everyday lately ;P
yes, yes the cpu, i think you're tracking my posts lol
yes they say the next one will be on meego but that's in a while
i'm aware of the lower cpu ^^