Now people that can't even master such a simple task like using Froogle get modded up with their rants on Slashdot.
You just click on a link list only a specific price range and then sort by prices. Did you really think you will get a serious (not ripoff) offer for an Ipod for under 50 bucks? Well, if you find it contact me, because I am not clicking through that stuff.
1. It will take a while! I think it is more a matter of centuries than decades.
2. It will be too expensive for most people. Look at the moon landings. They would never have happened if not the richest nation on earth would have poured so much money into it. Even now it is still too expensive to put people into near orbit. The few exeptions only go there, because the governments still spend A LOT of money on it. The few tourists (that still pay more than some thousand people in Africa spend their whole life just to survive) do not cover the investment at all. They just cover some of the running costs. So they actually travel on huge subsidies.
Was it called the Disney rule? Every time the Mouse comes close to loose its Coyright the law is extended. Guess what will happen to all your favourite patents.
This was covered earlier on Slashdot and I remember writing that not even Xubuntu would ever come close to Windows 95/98 in managing small resources. But I wouldn't think of trying Gnome or KDE fer cryin out loud.
I had a laptop that I ran Debian and IceWM on anyways, because when sitting idle Linux would only consume 1% processor power, whereas Windows 98 would be more at 20-30%. Add to that that the machine had a VERY noisy fan that would turn on ever so often on Windows because of it and you have a reason for running Linux (and that fact that Windows 98 is VERY insecure).
You have watched too many movies, man. Civillians don't like to get shot. So when they hear shots they get the hell out. After all, who says the shots from the crowd are not meant for them for whatever reason. Ever hear a shot in a crowd? Would you even know the general direction where it came from? But panic in those crowds is very dangerous. That's why it is an equally bad idea to either shoot or microwave some guys. Both could create a panic that may result in a lot of dead people.
Throwing rocks at soldiers is also not really a save thing to do. They do that a lot in Palestine. Then the IDF shoots rubber bullets and so on. Sometimes some kids get hurt really bad or die. But that is an altogether different story. Those kids are easily influenced and put up there by some older guys to provide a shield. Since this is very old I have not heard of a single IDF soldier getting killed in one of those setups for a very long time.
We all know that the performance crown (and certainly the performance per watt crown) went back to Intel with the Core 2 Duo. But at the medium and low price range the performance per $$ is contested. At the beginning the article says that you can't compare the product lines any more (so comparing simply by price would be best) and then make up their own comparison table where they put each AMD processor next to significantly more expensive Intel model. This BS to the highest degree.
64bit is a completely different story, but doesn't matter all that much, because almost all apps are still tuned for 32bit and that won't change for a while. After all hardware is made for software, not the other way around.
At the current price of paper, who is going to collect the pages and put them back into the printer? Just pulling a fresh load from the stack and inserting it is so much easier. Especially because used paper is not as easy to stack properly.
He also seems to have problems with Suse and RedHat as far as his homepage goes (they also include older versions) and with the Linux kernel itself. There seems to be some stuff he dislikes about the SCSI subsystem. And he seems to prefer the way Solaris handles SCSI. Maybe someone with some insight (if there are any left on/.) could comment on that one, since I am not a kernel hacker.
Joerg Schilling is doing excellent work. But as some others have commented there seem to be personal issues. So it is a shame that they had to use such a lame excuse to boot him. I am pretty sure the fork will go nowhere or at best use patches from Joerg Schilling proving that there never were incompatible licences.
Note that I don't argue that he might be a difficult character. Comments on/. as well as his problems with other distros and the kernel suggest that he is. I simply don't know. But I also heard that Linux Torvalds can be a very harsh himself. Anybody want to fork the kernel because of that?
"Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."
That's what Churchill had to say about such matters. Indeed many people still don't know how to deal with trolls. Some people just like to get all up in arms from time to time I suppose. Other than that maybe he should have just announced that he was ignoring some people and that replies to those people should be marked somewhere so that he can sort them as well automatically. So that those people that like to respond to trolls can do so and don't confuse the ones that don't.
The whole point why this would be inappropriate is that they were behind it and had an agenda but never reavealed their true intentions and the fact that the GOP was behind it. Like the swift boat vets or the allegations that McCain fathered an child with some black maid.
The Kana incident in Lebanon may have been staged to some extend. Even if you think that bombing Beirut to stop rocketes from southern Lebanon is insane a staged incident is still staged.
Those countries that torture people, throws them in jail without as much as a charge, monitor their citizen, prosecute children...
Oh wait, since torture is illegal in the US, maybe those countries can be of use after all. Better not get our agents in legal trouble. What countries are those anyways? Are they US allies in the fight against terror and for a free and democratic world, like Saudi Arabia, Turkmenistan and Columbia or rather evil countries like Venezuela and France?
Knowing how bad security actually is in Microsoft products (a company with such resources should have come up with somthing like Tripwire combined with ACLs and maybe even better things a long time ago) the blurb sound like out of this world.
Seen Amarok? Friend of mine (happy XP user) wants to convert just to use it. Maybe soon there will be KDE for XP, then he will be happy. Another example would be GnuCash (maybe it has already happened for you Windoze lusers, but we got it earlier). I can't think of others right now, but then again I use console based stuff and I like the console apps in Linux much more than in Windows. But I suppose that would not fit your criteria of "killer apps".
Who will decide for them what is trustworthy and what is not? Are they going to have a backdoor? I suppose the BSA http://www.bsa.org/ just got a new enforcer!
I use Debian testing as my main desktop machine at home. They updated the Cupsys packages about a month ago. And now the bug list is so long that my machine hangs when I load said page into Firefox. I seriously doubt that all of them will be fixed before December. Most problems seem to be about GDI printers. But I have a trusty old Laserjet 4 and I need to reeinstall my printer every time I want to use it (I already filed the report). Sarge shipped with a bug in the printing system (most likely gs-esp was the culprit, but I don't know) that crashed the whole printing subsystem if you printed large sized pdf documents. I had a file server that I also used as print server that ran Sarge and because of a disc crash I reinstalled from scratch once and the problem was back.
So Etch would not be the first Debian that ships with a broken print subsystem.
It might be a bit offtopic here, but torture seems to be really have a comeback. And it IS popular, even by the average western voter. I guess for modern society it means back to square one: The middle ages (for people teaching evolution, please draw your inquisition card). Have fun!
Face it guys, a lot more "normal" people use the internet now compared to the 90s, when the last browser wars happened. And those people don't know what a browser is. They maybe have heard of the IE, but never of Firefox. They just click on the blue "e" to use the internet. I educate some, you educate some, but the userbase is growing faster than the number of people we can educate. Also Firefox is not faster or does anything better for said user than the IE, because all they do is click on links and take their time to use webmail and read some webpages. The only thing Firefox has going is that it is saver. But the only reason it is saver is because less people use it and malware writers target the largest userbase. Maybe Firefox is saver, but they have zero day exploits none the less. So it wouldn't make much difference IMHO.
Weaponizing civilian installations such as airports is a horrible idea. Sooner or later this system will accidentally shoot down a civilian aircraft. It's like weaponizing cars....
You realize that you are writing about the airports in the US, do you? Airports in the US will not be denied their second amendment right. I am not saying that this is good or bad, I am just stating a fact.
Or maybe stop international policies which cause people to want to commit homocidal acts against our airports.
While I agree that US foreign policy has become a little weird (I won't go into this right now, but every nation on earth has interest based foreign policy and tells everyone else that it is values based, so the US is doing what everyone else is doing. I just haven't figured what US interest is served in Iraq, because Saddam would have been more than happy to deliver oil and keep Iran down just like he did in the 80s, that's why I call it weird). The homocidal acts come no matter what. The people that commit them are completely nuts. No change in policy would stop those. The only ironic thing about this is that the CIA actually trained and financed these guys in the first place in Afghanistan (first against the Russians and then the Taliban, because they wanted to get to Central Asian oil and not go through Russia, Iran or China. The only door left is Pakistan/Afghanistan. So they bankrolled the Taliban through Pakistan).
Has anyone ever checked if Firefox on Xubuntu runs faster than IE on Win98 on an old machine? Because the current Ubuntu/Fedora/SuSe stuff sure as hell are slower and will likely crawl along on machines that would still have a reasonable speed to work on some old machines I have seen.
And what about Office 97 vs. OpenOffice 2.0?
Or does anyone have a better idea on which office suite to use on those "converted" machines.
Before some people actually ran some tests I doubt that Xubuntu a viable alternative on an old machine running Win98 and Office 97.
You are correct sir. The terrorists have won. Iraq, Patriot Act, Bush reelected, brought back torture, brought down the constitution (Guantanamo, read Amendments to the constitution 5 and 6), budget through the roof,... I could go on and on. They have been so successful AND escaped justice. That is quite an accomplishment I would say.
I don't know if those were the original goals, but if their goal was to weaken the US and their democratic system and values...
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Now people that can't even master such a simple task like using Froogle get modded up with their rants on Slashdot.
You just click on a link list only a specific price range and then sort by prices.
Did you really think you will get a serious (not ripoff) offer for an Ipod for under 50 bucks? Well, if you find it contact me, because I am not clicking through that stuff.
I get your point, but:
1. It will take a while! I think it is more a matter of centuries than decades.
2. It will be too expensive for most people. Look at the moon landings. They would never have happened if not the richest nation on earth would have poured so much money into it. Even now it is still too expensive to put people into near orbit. The few exeptions only go there, because the governments still spend A LOT of money on it. The few tourists (that still pay more than some thousand people in Africa spend their whole life just to survive) do not cover the investment at all. They just cover some of the running costs. So they actually travel on huge subsidies.
Was it called the Disney rule? Every time the Mouse comes close to loose its Coyright the law is extended. Guess what will happen to all your favourite patents.
This was covered earlier on Slashdot and I remember writing that not even Xubuntu would ever come close to Windows 95/98 in managing small resources. But I wouldn't think of trying Gnome or KDE fer cryin out loud.
I had a laptop that I ran Debian and IceWM on anyways, because when sitting idle Linux would only consume 1% processor power, whereas Windows 98 would be more at 20-30%. Add to that that the machine had a VERY noisy fan that would turn on ever so often on Windows because of it and you have a reason for running Linux (and that fact that Windows 98 is VERY insecure).
for all the poor chaps that didn't pay up and got busted. I guess it helps if you know someone working for the police.
You have watched too many movies, man. Civillians don't like to get shot. So when they hear shots they get the hell out. After all, who says the shots from the crowd are not meant for them for whatever reason. Ever hear a shot in a crowd? Would you even know the general direction where it came from? But panic in those crowds is very dangerous. That's why it is an equally bad idea to either shoot or microwave some guys. Both could create a panic that may result in a lot of dead people.
Throwing rocks at soldiers is also not really a save thing to do. They do that a lot in Palestine. Then the IDF shoots rubber bullets and so on. Sometimes some kids get hurt really bad or die. But that is an altogether different story. Those kids are easily influenced and put up there by some older guys to provide a shield. Since this is very old I have not heard of a single IDF soldier getting killed in one of those setups for a very long time.
We all know that the performance crown (and certainly the performance per watt crown) went back to Intel with the Core 2 Duo. But at the medium and low price range the performance per $$ is contested. At the beginning the article says that you can't compare the product lines any more (so comparing simply by price would be best) and then make up their own comparison table where they put each AMD processor next to significantly more expensive Intel model. This BS to the highest degree.
64bit is a completely different story, but doesn't matter all that much, because almost all apps are still tuned for 32bit and that won't change for a while. After all hardware is made for software, not the other way around.
At the current price of paper, who is going to collect the pages and put them back into the printer? Just pulling a fresh load from the stack and inserting it is so much easier. Especially because used paper is not as easy to stack properly.
Thank you, that was the answer I was looking for. Maybe forking IS the best idea. For both technical and other reasons. Good to know.
Why didn't the author include Joerg's position on this? He didn't even provide a link to his hompage:t ml
/.) could comment on that one, since I am not a kernel hacker.
/. as well as his problems with other distros and the kernel suggest that he is. I simply don't know. But I also heard that Linux Torvalds can be a very harsh himself. Anybody want to fork the kernel because of that?
http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/cdrecord.h
He also seems to have problems with Suse and RedHat as far as his homepage goes (they also include older versions) and with the Linux kernel itself. There seems to be some stuff he dislikes about the SCSI subsystem. And he seems to prefer the way Solaris handles SCSI. Maybe someone with some insight (if there are any left on
Joerg Schilling is doing excellent work. But as some others have commented there seem to be personal issues. So it is a shame that they had to use such a lame excuse to boot him. I am pretty sure the fork will go nowhere or at best use patches from Joerg Schilling proving that there never were incompatible licences.
Note that I don't argue that he might be a difficult character. Comments on
"Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."
That's what Churchill had to say about such matters. Indeed many people still don't know how to deal with trolls. Some people just like to get all up in arms from time to time I suppose. Other than that maybe he should have just announced that he was ignoring some people and that replies to those people should be marked somewhere so that he can sort them as well automatically. So that those people that like to respond to trolls can do so and don't confuse the ones that don't.
I am pretty much against all kind of military things. I am not a nutjob and I do know that we need it.
My point is that if we had more people like this engineer the world would be a better place (and have less wars, for example). Thank You!
The whole point why this would be inappropriate is that they were behind it and had an agenda but never reavealed their true intentions and the fact that the GOP was behind it. Like the swift boat vets or the allegations that McCain fathered an child with some black maid.
The Kana incident in Lebanon may have been staged to some extend. Even if you think that bombing Beirut to stop rocketes from southern Lebanon is insane a staged incident is still staged.
Those countries that torture people, throws them in jail without as much as a charge, monitor their citizen, prosecute children...
Oh wait, since torture is illegal in the US, maybe those countries can be of use after all. Better not get our agents in legal trouble. What countries are those anyways? Are they US allies in the fight against terror and for a free and democratic world, like Saudi Arabia, Turkmenistan and Columbia or rather evil countries like Venezuela and France?
Knowing how bad security actually is in Microsoft products (a company with such resources should have come up with somthing like Tripwire combined with ACLs and maybe even better things a long time ago) the blurb sound like out of this world.
Seen Amarok? Friend of mine (happy XP user) wants to convert just to use it. Maybe soon there will be KDE for XP, then he will be happy. Another example would be GnuCash (maybe it has already happened for you Windoze lusers, but we got it earlier). I can't think of others right now, but then again I use console based stuff and I like the console apps in Linux much more than in Windows. But I suppose that would not fit your criteria of "killer apps".
Cheers
If the current administration will pass any laws on journalism it will most likely look more like the laws Mr. Bush's special pal Putin passes.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K1H7omJW4TI&search=trus ted%20computing
Who will decide for them what is trustworthy and what is not? Are they going to have a backdoor? I suppose the BSA http://www.bsa.org/ just got a new enforcer!
I use Debian testing as my main desktop machine at home. They updated the Cupsys packages about a month ago. And now the bug list is so long that my machine hangs when I load said page into Firefox. I seriously doubt that all of them will be fixed before December. Most problems seem to be about GDI printers. But I have a trusty old Laserjet 4 and I need to reeinstall my printer every time I want to use it (I already filed the report). Sarge shipped with a bug in the printing system (most likely gs-esp was the culprit, but I don't know) that crashed the whole printing subsystem if you printed large sized pdf documents. I had a file server that I also used as print server that ran Sarge and because of a disc crash I reinstalled from scratch once and the problem was back.
So Etch would not be the first Debian that ships with a broken print subsystem.
It might be a bit offtopic here, but torture seems to be really have a comeback. And it IS popular, even by the average western voter. I guess for modern society it means back to square one: The middle ages (for people teaching evolution, please draw your inquisition card). Have fun!
Face it guys, a lot more "normal" people use the internet now compared to the 90s, when the last browser wars happened. And those people don't know what a browser is. They maybe have heard of the IE, but never of Firefox. They just click on the blue "e" to use the internet. I educate some, you educate some, but the userbase is growing faster than the number of people we can educate. Also Firefox is not faster or does anything better for said user than the IE, because all they do is click on links and take their time to use webmail and read some webpages. The only thing Firefox has going is that it is saver. But the only reason it is saver is because less people use it and malware writers target the largest userbase. Maybe Firefox is saver, but they have zero day exploits none the less. So it wouldn't make much difference IMHO.
Weaponizing civilian installations such as airports is a horrible idea. Sooner or later this system will accidentally shoot down a civilian aircraft. It's like weaponizing cars. ...
You realize that you are writing about the airports in the US, do you? Airports in the US will not be denied their second amendment right. I am not saying that this is good or bad, I am just stating a fact.
Or maybe stop international policies which cause people to want to commit homocidal acts against our airports.
While I agree that US foreign policy has become a little weird (I won't go into this right now, but every nation on earth has interest based foreign policy and tells everyone else that it is values based, so the US is doing what everyone else is doing. I just haven't figured what US interest is served in Iraq, because Saddam would have been more than happy to deliver oil and keep Iran down just like he did in the 80s, that's why I call it weird). The homocidal acts come no matter what. The people that commit them are completely nuts. No change in policy would stop those. The only ironic thing about this is that the CIA actually trained and financed these guys in the first place in Afghanistan (first against the Russians and then the Taliban, because they wanted to get to Central Asian oil and not go through Russia, Iran or China. The only door left is Pakistan/Afghanistan. So they bankrolled the Taliban through Pakistan).
now get back to your cage, there are bananas waiting for you
Has anyone ever checked if Firefox on Xubuntu runs faster than IE on Win98 on an old machine? Because the current Ubuntu/Fedora/SuSe stuff sure as hell are slower and will likely crawl along on machines that would still have a reasonable speed to work on some old machines I have seen.
And what about Office 97 vs. OpenOffice 2.0?
Or does anyone have a better idea on which office suite to use on those "converted" machines.
Before some people actually ran some tests I doubt that Xubuntu a viable alternative on an old machine running Win98 and Office 97.
You are correct sir. The terrorists have won. Iraq, Patriot Act, Bush reelected, brought back torture, brought down the constitution (Guantanamo, read Amendments to the constitution 5 and 6), budget through the roof, ... I could go on and on. They have been so successful AND escaped justice. That is quite an accomplishment I would say.
I don't know if those were the original goals, but if their goal was to weaken the US and their democratic system and values...