furthermore a car must get around another car within 2 miles, in reality it shouldn't take much more then a 1/4 mile at most to get around a car. Maybe longer with a truck. This is why I hate cruise control, those people who have a differantial of.2 mph so they crawl past. When you come to a car, you either match their speed and tuck behind them, or you accel and get around them and get out of the lane. Everytime i went from parents home to universtiy I screamed at people the whole way. I just pass them on the right and hope they get a clue. I really wish their was more PA cops out for this.
This may be a silly question but, does she really want to program or have any need to do it. It's not really something many people are interested in or need to know how to do. I mean aside from just having some background in how apps work for her, unless she is planning to start writting some apps on those lazy afternoons this seams a bit silly. And yes, extremely boring.
Wouldn't she be more interested in apps she can actualy use to find new things for her to do?
few years ago their was some commanders or some shit that got drunk and took off in a b-52 and nose dived it right into the ground. Think this was out near Seatle. There is film of it, absolutely amazing seeing something like that crash.
The B-52 may be a bit goofy, but very effective, and definitly not something you want to have above you if your not on good terms with the US.
Well, yes there are these "roads" in the sky. But remember that people on the ground often can be seen cutting across parking lots, through feilds and so forth, basicly leaving the road. People are bound to go off these "roads" and go about their will. On the ground they are more limited since cars can't get anywheres on the ground without either not being able to go anywheres or hitting a house.
yeah, many of us know that you should keap your car for a long time since it will save you a lot of money. But so many people have this "need" to have a new vehicle every 3 years.
Keap a vehicle for 10 years that doesn't get the best mileage is far cheaper then replacing a vehicle every 3 years even for ones that get better mileage.
Really doesn't even take that long, just 6 years or so will do. When your not paying car payments for a few years, it frees up a lot of money.
Surveys have shown that mileage is pretty low on the list of issues considered when buying a vehicle for anyone. Sure if you ask them if mileage is important they will say yes. But when they go and actualy buy a car it's not much of a concern. Other things are more important. Like looks, cost, practicality and so forth. And in the end of the day gas is dirt cheap, consider how much you drive a year, how long you will keap that car, and the mileage gain for the more efficient car over something else, for most people going for the higher milage just isn't worth it. It's cheaper to have one all around vehicle that can do all you need when you need it, then to have multiple vehicles that don't fill all your needs.
Getting good mileage is a good thing, but it's not something you trade off things for.
Mileage and Emissions arn't connected completely except for CO2 which isn't currenlty a concern. Getting the highest mileage and getting the lowest emissions as the same time isn't possible. To run an engine at it's most efficient points has trade offs in emissions.
At any rate this is dumb. Since for one most SUVs do better then 20mpg (not all SUVs are huge things, most are small and do no worse then a bigger car, or a high end car).
Also, across the board this thing would get piss poor mileage, how often are you going to be going very fast, most the time you would eb going slow, or doing take offs, you mileage will be poor. Everyone knows planes crusing get good mileage, so what is the big surprise there. Also it's powered using a wankel engine, those engines even as improved as they have got still have worse emissions when gasoline powered then your typical piston engine.
Will people stop saying this. Commecial power plants are no where near an order of magnitude more efficent then an internal combustion engine. Few commercial plants are over 40% due to safety and cost. a car is 30-40 depending on type of engine gas vs diesel. Things like coal power plants all around suck, and have piss poor emmisons.
Nuclear and Wind is good, since it's extremely clean, thus efficiency isn't much an issue. But if you are compairing a car vs a coal powered plant, the car wins.
I've said it before and I will say it again. The insight and civic hybrids are lame hybrids and have very little to do with hybrids like the Prius. The Hondas are mild hybrids, they are a parallel design and used a intergrated flywheel/altanator/motor. Between the engine and transmission. It's a slapped on add in, that provides very little power. Honda's marketing is the one to blame. They shouldn't be hyping them as hybrids as they do. They are not a very good hybrid. Also newer cars often do worse then older models do to being bigger, having way more weight adding features, and way more steal in them so they pass crash test, a 10 year old car in a crash test today would do terrible, since the crash test get harder every year.
The prius and hybrid escape that is coming our powersplits. They have CVTs from the planetary gearset that is the heart of the hybrid. They work far better.
It should be notid that if you were only going to cruise down a highway, a hybrid would not be good for you. Since the energy transfers would cost you mileage, this varries on the design as well. Current hybrids are designed for city usage were they conserve power in stop and go driving.
Far as the Mileage numbers, the test is old 1977 last I knew was the model, it doesn't reflect newer driving at all. Look at the mileage listed for SUVs or trucks, anyone who owns one knows these numbers are low. SUVs get far better mileage then their attackers think (all the numbers you see on mileage charts are low for SUVs). On the flip side of things when you see very high mileage few cars actualy get that. Its because the driving cycle the test are done on doesn't match the current evolution of cars, the road infastructure, where and how we drive the most and on and on. The mileage comes out of a computer in the end. The arn't filling up the cars and driving them around and seeing how much fuel they used. It's all controlled in the non real world.
Also new cars have very tight emmissions regulations. If you want clean, it's going to cost you in fuel, you don't get both. This is why american cars historical haven't had as good of mileage, they were under stricter emmissions regulations. If your 13 year old car was forced to meet the regs a 2004 model does, it would be hurting.
Well, it might work, the crazier GreenPeace gets that just makes good environmental groups look better and more logical, so those groups may gain.
Green peaces goal obviously isn't to save the earth, since they have no freaking clue what they are doing, they are just a ploy to make the main stream and logical groups look good. I'm an environmentalist, but I hate greenpeace with a passion.
It's not a special method to them either. Look at politics, conservatives use Rush Limbaugh and Bill Oreilly as tools to make other conservatives seam less crazy, thus more appealing to the masses.
The system developed for the Prius was made by a 3rd party company which is partialy owned by toyota. Toyota took their works and continued the development of their system. Ford worked with the same 3rd party company, but largly designed their system theirself (ford by far leads in R&D on hybrids, just haven't put anything out till late summer). They did make a deal with toyota over some of the controls, mainly to avoid patent violations, but it does not share tech, just look at the 2 systems in person and it's obvious, or talk to someone who has worked on one them.
Honda does not use the same type of system at all. The use a integrated flywheel, motor, altenator. It's sandwiched between the engine and tranny. Its a crappy lame hybrid, same thing as GM is putting out in their trucks as an option. Most would not call it a hybrid, at most call it a mild hybrid. But Hondas marketing is at work.
The CVTs in the vehicles are differant. Ford and toyota get their cvt via the planetary gearset used for the powersplite between the engine, generator, motor/wheels. There is no tranny to speed of, just the powersplit unit. The insight and civic use a normal transmission or you can get it with a cvt that is of a complicated deal using cones and belts and what not. They are very differant.
Also there is no patent infringments with using the planetary for the powersplit since this idea is as old as gearing it'self.
Also though you said nothing, i doubt ovonic has any claim over nickel metal hydrid batteries. Since that tech has been around for long anough for any patents to expire, plus their is so many ways to make such batteries you could get around them, and ovonic is more active with lithium ion batteries. And the Ford escape hybrid uses Sanyo batteries if anyone cares.
My thoughts to, though that kind of thing is not new. They have been around for decades. I remember the bochure for my university for the engineering department had a guy working on one on the cover 5 years ago. They were also done on junkyard wars. Hell, even Gadget on chip and dale rescue rangers made one, with suction cups on the outside no less.
Really curious how this guy turns with that tire. Someplace there is a copper mine with a dump truck that lost a wheel, and it looks like the joker got away with the wheel and showed up at burning man.
Agreed, another thing so many miss is that over the past 2 decade emmissions has become King. In the big picture mileage isn't that important, nice, but not critical, what is important is emissions. And clean emissions and mileage to not go together very well. In the US the focus has been on emissions, in Europe and asia it was on mileage. Thats why you see high reving no torque engines from japan for mileage and diesels in Europe. But now those places have caught on that they went the wrong way. The are now making their engines more american like to reduce their emissions.
I work on HEVs and it's funny how many people talk about how great their mileage was on their 80s honda or toyota but there new one does worse. Then I have to point out emissions, that and you wouldn't want to see a new crash test on a 80s japanesse car. They had to add some steal. The japanese makers had to move away from high reving 4 bangers that make useless hp (hp where you don't use it but is good for advertising) and go to larger displacement slower speed engines.
You missed missed my point, this was a theoretical thing. As in the only differance was power, nothing about the way they made the power or type of engine. As in every single aspect was the same, just power differance, this means i'm not talking about differant engine types and how they made the power. Just pure theoretical.
Yes in reality it would be very difficult to produce two identical engines that one has twice the power. But that wasn't the point. The point was that so many people see something and it has 350HP "wow that must suck gas" that isn't true. I was boosting my point that the engine just gives a driver a potential to get bad mileage. I mean hell, on paper a manual will give you better mileage then an auto, but the reality is the way most people drive manual (myself included) drive it in a way they arn't going to get good mileage.
Sure I get 35mpg on the highway with my car, then i'm trying to get good mileage, in town i get 16-18 cause I don't care and am having more fun then anything. But if i wanted to i could be in the 20s in town.
Well if this is a problem for people who write GPL code then don't put it out there. By putting it out in GPL or similar your saying do what you want with it, just use it as the rules say. This is what happens. I'm sure SUN hasn't deleted all the required stuff from the code. But I don't think anywhere in the GPL it says anything like " those who use this software in the product must make giant pop ups, permanant wall papers, and other lables throughout a product informing the user this product is using GPL code and could not be done without the work of NAME, NAME, NAME......"
If you start having this kind of thing going on then even less people will use it. Linux, the GPL and FSF and so forth seam hell bent on making their OSS stuff, something no one wants to use.
I really wonder if Linus sleeps at night and wonders what if he had went with something other then GPL. He seams very logical. It's just as you get farther from him everything goes to hell.
yeah, that sorta my point. I honestly think linux serves itself better in the form of lindows and devices like you said where people arn't aware. It's just another product. Some day maybe they will find out and be like "oh hey thats cool"
As is, I'd have to say a lable on something saying "linux or GPL" doesn't exactly sell. Its not a nice name (honestly, you ever say it to someone who has never heard of it before, you feel stupid saying it) and also it doesn't matter. It's all about what it does or how it looks. Not what is inside.
Also most people still have never heard of linux and explaining it is no fun. I was in a lab of linux computers with a group just cause we had to meet, not because of the linux computers, members noticed the computers and asked what linux is, trying to explain it is a pain, trying to explain what an OS is hard anough, and this was explaining to engineers. The easy route was to say it's similar to windows, just a differant opperating system. But really they didn't care. If some day things like lindows or this get some ground where people have heard of it, it's easy to say, "whats linux, it's what your using right now"
at 250 mph, that means he is traveling 4.17 miles in one minute, or about 4 times what you do in a normal minute when on a highway.
I come up with 3.13 mpg at 250 mph for the thing. Thats damn good.
But if he is crusing it won't take all that power, remember that fuel number was at full power. The driver would only be pulling full power with foot to the floor. A SUV may come with a 300hp engine to get it moving good, but it only needs ~18 hp to cruise at 55mph, and a car only needs ~15 hp to go 55. So most the time this car will be getting much better milage since like any vehicle it will only take ~15 hp for it to go highway speeds (if he goes that slow). so you could multiply his milage by 4-5 times. Also the car is very areodynamic, so it very well could do better then most cars out there.
Big powerfull engines only give you the potential to waste full, they do not cause the full usage. If you had 2 identical cars, but one has twice the HP they will both get the same mileage, but people being people many would get worse mileage with the more HP version since they would use it more and accel. faster. But for a driver who knows what they are doing they would get the same either way.
Still to say this thing sucks fuel based on peak power is not correct.
Oh and if you live in the US, gas is cheap, it's one of the cheapest substances on earth. Cheaper then milk, cheaper then water depending on how you purchase water, and gives you more of a return on your investment then damn near anything. Try going 30 miles (to and from any location) in a decent time frame for less then 2 bucks, only a car with a gallon of gas can do it that cheap.
"'You really could get the CD and run it without every knowing it had anything GNU/Linuxy in it or that the GPL provides you with guaranteed freedoms that Sun would like you not to know you have.' "
Yeah, why should they know, does it really matter, no. Sun can put it in there if they want. People companies are using linux for what it's worth. Why do some think that if someone is using linux they must spread the virtures of it and be a sales person for it. Also not having mention fo GNU, or GPL doesn't change what it is. In the end it's the software that matters. If you base how good something is on the if it's GPL or not your pretty much out of it.
Does Intel need to show in their end product what brand chairs the engineers at intel sit in? Does GM need to put stickers all over there cars saying what brand steel was used for the fenders?
I agree, i was saying it in the sense that Fred is not going to be interested in anything from it. It doesn't have common new parts they regularly go through. That car would be set asside for those looking for one. Really it was the first car that popped in my mind, don't know what, well Nova that is, i was thinkin 70s at first, but realized those should be crushed no question (sorry, 70s, and 80s where dark ages to me, and i'm not a GM fan asside from a few, like Chevy II novas). But from a shear part value you will probably get much more from a wrecked taurus then a well used nova.
Far as collecting, I agree to a point. But really we just don't know at this point. I don't see FWDs and such becoming collectable. But really it's all taste driven. I'm not down with many cars post 1965ish. There are a few cars that pop in my mind as collectable, like a lincoln mark VIII, that was a nice car for it's time and still looks impressive 12 years after they came out.
Far as looking the same, sorta. Like some companies live on dull, like Honda, and japanesse in general. Ford, GM, and Dodge have done a decent job of putting otu some interesting cars lately.
You can tweak them plenty, maybe not the same tweaking, but hey, their complexity has their gains, I wouldn't want to be stuck in 1960s tech. That and I work on hybrids for a living, so staying in the 60s would be bad. I can't say you are limited though. People make a focus into a RWD v8 beast with no problem, mustangs and vettes still have plenty of aftermarket. It all depends what you are into. If you love carburators, well then sure, times have changed, but people like myself don't see their death as a bad thing. Things arn't bad now, just differant. There are also lots of throw away cars. Kia, Hyundi, Dawoo etc. and crap models from companies. Unfortently that problem is driven by people thinking they need a new car, so they buy a new cheap POS instead of buying a good solid low mileage used car for less. I spent less on my focus then i would to buy a new kia. Hell of a lot better car. But so many refuse to buy a used one.
your a bit right. Typicaly auto salvage places are two sides. You'll have your Bubba's you pull it on one side, and Freds used auto parts on the other. Cars will come in to Bubba's. There if the car has no massive value, say it's a 67 chevy nova, good for parts but no modern stuff, it will go straight to the yard. Now say a 97 Ford Taurus comes in that got rear ended real bad. The will take it in, rip the engine out, many some other sub-componets, tranny seats, glass and so forth, since these are still very common cars. Those parts going over to Freds and people come in and buy them. Typical your local garage thats fixing a car. The rest of the car will go to the yard for U-pull it use. After a period of time if it's been stripped of most that was left over time by people, then they crush them. If there wasn't much after the first strip they will just crush them. Very few yard stack cars. Those are places that are just crushing. U-pull it places lay them out and keap them sorta by brand and type, usualy put them up on old rims so you can get under them. They have limited space, so they will crush the least useful ones as time goes buy. But if say its a classic, but all stripped, but has a good body they will keap those for people looking for project cars.
Like the poster said, cars are worth a lot in parts. Thats why you see Push Pull Drag in deals where they will give you 1000 bucks for a POS, it's worth it to them.
These places keap prices for repair down. If you need a big part for your car like an engine or tranny this is where it comes from, or a fender or hood. When a body shop or garage goes fixing your car they will always use these parts first unless they can't find them. Insurance company price out for these parts. You wouldn't want to pay for OEM fenders or a brand new engine. Even if they say they are new it is very unlikely they are new.
The reality of it is, if you bought a brand new car, or maybe a year old model cheap, then took it to a salvage yard, they could probably turn around and turn a profit on parting it out.
The giant car eaters are good for stuff that is crap. But those programs also raise the cost of used parts for your car. They are mainly pushed because the car companies get emmissions credits for getting old clunkers destroyed. Not a bad thing, just has it's serious draw backs. Since if your a car collector it will be come very hard to find that car you always wanted or parts for it.
It should be noted that in some places in Europe now car companies have to set up a EOL plan for the car that includes it's disposal, thats why those scredders are coming into play.
hey, I've picked that one up when going through Ohio and commented how it's good station and damn good for a college one. Pretty sure its the one you mention, I know it was a college on in that area, akron sounds right. Ohio really sucks to try and find a good station.
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Do you have a RAID 5 array of iPods?
Someone must be able to do this, people RAID'ed floppy drives on a mac, why not iPods.
furthermore a car must get around another car within 2 miles, in reality it shouldn't take much more then a 1/4 mile at most to get around a car. Maybe longer with a truck. This is why I hate cruise control, those people who have a differantial of .2 mph so they crawl past. When you come to a car, you either match their speed and tuck behind them, or you accel and get around them and get out of the lane. Everytime i went from parents home to universtiy I screamed at people the whole way. I just pass them on the right and hope they get a clue. I really wish their was more PA cops out for this.
This may be a silly question but, does she really want to program or have any need to do it. It's not really something many people are interested in or need to know how to do. I mean aside from just having some background in how apps work for her, unless she is planning to start writting some apps on those lazy afternoons this seams a bit silly. And yes, extremely boring.
Wouldn't she be more interested in apps she can actualy use to find new things for her to do?
Ok, I wasn't completely sure, for some reason them being drunk was stuck in my mind. either way, the plane when boom.
few years ago their was some commanders or some shit that got drunk and took off in a b-52 and nose dived it right into the ground. Think this was out near Seatle. There is film of it, absolutely amazing seeing something like that crash.
The B-52 may be a bit goofy, but very effective, and definitly not something you want to have above you if your not on good terms with the US.
Well, yes there are these "roads" in the sky. But remember that people on the ground often can be seen cutting across parking lots, through feilds and so forth, basicly leaving the road. People are bound to go off these "roads" and go about their will. On the ground they are more limited since cars can't get anywheres on the ground without either not being able to go anywheres or hitting a house.
yeah, many of us know that you should keap your car for a long time since it will save you a lot of money. But so many people have this "need" to have a new vehicle every 3 years.
Keap a vehicle for 10 years that doesn't get the best mileage is far cheaper then replacing a vehicle every 3 years even for ones that get better mileage.
Really doesn't even take that long, just 6 years or so will do. When your not paying car payments for a few years, it frees up a lot of money.
Surveys have shown that mileage is pretty low on the list of issues considered when buying a vehicle for anyone. Sure if you ask them if mileage is important they will say yes. But when they go and actualy buy a car it's not much of a concern. Other things are more important. Like looks, cost, practicality and so forth. And in the end of the day gas is dirt cheap, consider how much you drive a year, how long you will keap that car, and the mileage gain for the more efficient car over something else, for most people going for the higher milage just isn't worth it. It's cheaper to have one all around vehicle that can do all you need when you need it, then to have multiple vehicles that don't fill all your needs.
Getting good mileage is a good thing, but it's not something you trade off things for.
Mileage and Emissions arn't connected completely except for CO2 which isn't currenlty a concern. Getting the highest mileage and getting the lowest emissions as the same time isn't possible. To run an engine at it's most efficient points has trade offs in emissions.
At any rate this is dumb. Since for one most SUVs do better then 20mpg (not all SUVs are huge things, most are small and do no worse then a bigger car, or a high end car).
Also, across the board this thing would get piss poor mileage, how often are you going to be going very fast, most the time you would eb going slow, or doing take offs, you mileage will be poor. Everyone knows planes crusing get good mileage, so what is the big surprise there. Also it's powered using a wankel engine, those engines even as improved as they have got still have worse emissions when gasoline powered then your typical piston engine.
Will people stop saying this. Commecial power plants are no where near an order of magnitude more efficent then an internal combustion engine. Few commercial plants are over 40% due to safety and cost. a car is 30-40 depending on type of engine gas vs diesel. Things like coal power plants all around suck, and have piss poor emmisons.
Nuclear and Wind is good, since it's extremely clean, thus efficiency isn't much an issue. But if you are compairing a car vs a coal powered plant, the car wins.
I've said it before and I will say it again. The insight and civic hybrids are lame hybrids and have very little to do with hybrids like the Prius. The Hondas are mild hybrids, they are a parallel design and used a intergrated flywheel/altanator/motor. Between the engine and transmission. It's a slapped on add in, that provides very little power. Honda's marketing is the one to blame. They shouldn't be hyping them as hybrids as they do. They are not a very good hybrid. Also newer cars often do worse then older models do to being bigger, having way more weight adding features, and way more steal in them so they pass crash test, a 10 year old car in a crash test today would do terrible, since the crash test get harder every year.
The prius and hybrid escape that is coming our powersplits. They have CVTs from the planetary gearset that is the heart of the hybrid. They work far better.
It should be notid that if you were only going to cruise down a highway, a hybrid would not be good for you. Since the energy transfers would cost you mileage, this varries on the design as well. Current hybrids are designed for city usage were they conserve power in stop and go driving.
Far as the Mileage numbers, the test is old 1977 last I knew was the model, it doesn't reflect newer driving at all. Look at the mileage listed for SUVs or trucks, anyone who owns one knows these numbers are low. SUVs get far better mileage then their attackers think (all the numbers you see on mileage charts are low for SUVs). On the flip side of things when you see very high mileage few cars actualy get that. Its because the driving cycle the test are done on doesn't match the current evolution of cars, the road infastructure, where and how we drive the most and on and on. The mileage comes out of a computer in the end. The arn't filling up the cars and driving them around and seeing how much fuel they used. It's all controlled in the non real world.
Also new cars have very tight emmissions regulations. If you want clean, it's going to cost you in fuel, you don't get both. This is why american cars historical haven't had as good of mileage, they were under stricter emmissions regulations. If your 13 year old car was forced to meet the regs a 2004 model does, it would be hurting.
yes it has been adressed, new hybrids have lifetime or 125,000 mile pack warrenties.
Well, it might work, the crazier GreenPeace gets that just makes good environmental groups look better and more logical, so those groups may gain.
Green peaces goal obviously isn't to save the earth, since they have no freaking clue what they are doing, they are just a ploy to make the main stream and logical groups look good. I'm an environmentalist, but I hate greenpeace with a passion.
It's not a special method to them either. Look at politics, conservatives use Rush Limbaugh and Bill Oreilly as tools to make other conservatives seam less crazy, thus more appealing to the masses.
No no no,
this thread is going into miss-information fast
The system developed for the Prius was made by a 3rd party company which is partialy owned by toyota. Toyota took their works and continued the development of their system. Ford worked with the same 3rd party company, but largly designed their system theirself (ford by far leads in R&D on hybrids, just haven't put anything out till late summer). They did make a deal with toyota over some of the controls, mainly to avoid patent violations, but it does not share tech, just look at the 2 systems in person and it's obvious, or talk to someone who has worked on one them.
Honda does not use the same type of system at all. The use a integrated flywheel, motor, altenator. It's sandwiched between the engine and tranny. Its a crappy lame hybrid, same thing as GM is putting out in their trucks as an option. Most would not call it a hybrid, at most call it a mild hybrid. But Hondas marketing is at work.
The CVTs in the vehicles are differant. Ford and toyota get their cvt via the planetary gearset used for the powersplite between the engine, generator, motor/wheels. There is no tranny to speed of, just the powersplit unit. The insight and civic use a normal transmission or you can get it with a cvt that is of a complicated deal using cones and belts and what not. They are very differant.
Also there is no patent infringments with using the planetary for the powersplit since this idea is as old as gearing it'self.
Also though you said nothing, i doubt ovonic has any claim over nickel metal hydrid batteries. Since that tech has been around for long anough for any patents to expire, plus their is so many ways to make such batteries you could get around them, and ovonic is more active with lithium ion batteries. And the Ford escape hybrid uses Sanyo batteries if anyone cares.
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My thoughts to, though that kind of thing is not new. They have been around for decades. I remember the bochure for my university for the engineering department had a guy working on one on the cover 5 years ago. They were also done on junkyard wars. Hell, even Gadget on chip and dale rescue rangers made one, with suction cups on the outside no less.
Really curious how this guy turns with that tire. Someplace there is a copper mine with a dump truck that lost a wheel, and it looks like the joker got away with the wheel and showed up at burning man.
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Agreed, another thing so many miss is that over the past 2 decade emmissions has become King. In the big picture mileage isn't that important, nice, but not critical, what is important is emissions. And clean emissions and mileage to not go together very well. In the US the focus has been on emissions, in Europe and asia it was on mileage. Thats why you see high reving no torque engines from japan for mileage and diesels in Europe. But now those places have caught on that they went the wrong way. The are now making their engines more american like to reduce their emissions.
I work on HEVs and it's funny how many people talk about how great their mileage was on their 80s honda or toyota but there new one does worse. Then I have to point out emissions, that and you wouldn't want to see a new crash test on a 80s japanesse car. They had to add some steal. The japanese makers had to move away from high reving 4 bangers that make useless hp (hp where you don't use it but is good for advertising) and go to larger displacement slower speed engines.
You missed missed my point, this was a theoretical thing. As in the only differance was power, nothing about the way they made the power or type of engine. As in every single aspect was the same, just power differance, this means i'm not talking about differant engine types and how they made the power. Just pure theoretical.
Yes in reality it would be very difficult to produce two identical engines that one has twice the power. But that wasn't the point. The point was that so many people see something and it has 350HP "wow that must suck gas" that isn't true. I was boosting my point that the engine just gives a driver a potential to get bad mileage. I mean hell, on paper a manual will give you better mileage then an auto, but the reality is the way most people drive manual (myself included) drive it in a way they arn't going to get good mileage.
Sure I get 35mpg on the highway with my car, then i'm trying to get good mileage, in town i get 16-18 cause I don't care and am having more fun then anything. But if i wanted to i could be in the 20s in town.
Well if this is a problem for people who write GPL code then don't put it out there. By putting it out in GPL or similar your saying do what you want with it, just use it as the rules say. This is what happens. I'm sure SUN hasn't deleted all the required stuff from the code. But I don't think anywhere in the GPL it says anything like " those who use this software in the product must make giant pop ups, permanant wall papers, and other lables throughout a product informing the user this product is using GPL code and could not be done without the work of NAME, NAME, NAME......"
If you start having this kind of thing going on then even less people will use it. Linux, the GPL and FSF and so forth seam hell bent on making their OSS stuff, something no one wants to use.
I really wonder if Linus sleeps at night and wonders what if he had went with something other then GPL. He seams very logical. It's just as you get farther from him everything goes to hell.
yeah, that sorta my point. I honestly think linux serves itself better in the form of lindows and devices like you said where people arn't aware. It's just another product. Some day maybe they will find out and be like "oh hey thats cool"
As is, I'd have to say a lable on something saying "linux or GPL" doesn't exactly sell. Its not a nice name (honestly, you ever say it to someone who has never heard of it before, you feel stupid saying it) and also it doesn't matter. It's all about what it does or how it looks. Not what is inside.
Also most people still have never heard of linux and explaining it is no fun. I was in a lab of linux computers with a group just cause we had to meet, not because of the linux computers, members noticed the computers and asked what linux is, trying to explain it is a pain, trying to explain what an OS is hard anough, and this was explaining to engineers. The easy route was to say it's similar to windows, just a differant opperating system. But really they didn't care. If some day things like lindows or this get some ground where people have heard of it, it's easy to say, "whats linux, it's what your using right now"
at 250 mph, that means he is traveling 4.17 miles in one minute, or about 4 times what you do in a normal minute when on a highway.
I come up with 3.13 mpg at 250 mph for the thing. Thats damn good.
But if he is crusing it won't take all that power, remember that fuel number was at full power. The driver would only be pulling full power with foot to the floor. A SUV may come with a 300hp engine to get it moving good, but it only needs ~18 hp to cruise at 55mph, and a car only needs ~15 hp to go 55. So most the time this car will be getting much better milage since like any vehicle it will only take ~15 hp for it to go highway speeds (if he goes that slow). so you could multiply his milage by 4-5 times. Also the car is very areodynamic, so it very well could do better then most cars out there.
Big powerfull engines only give you the potential to waste full, they do not cause the full usage. If you had 2 identical cars, but one has twice the HP they will both get the same mileage, but people being people many would get worse mileage with the more HP version since they would use it more and accel. faster. But for a driver who knows what they are doing they would get the same either way.
Still to say this thing sucks fuel based on peak power is not correct.
Oh and if you live in the US, gas is cheap, it's one of the cheapest substances on earth. Cheaper then milk, cheaper then water depending on how you purchase water, and gives you more of a return on your investment then damn near anything. Try going 30 miles (to and from any location) in a decent time frame for less then 2 bucks, only a car with a gallon of gas can do it that cheap.
"'You really could get the CD and run it without every knowing it had anything GNU/Linuxy in it or that the GPL provides you with guaranteed freedoms that Sun would like you not to know you have.' "
Yeah, why should they know, does it really matter, no. Sun can put it in there if they want. People companies are using linux for what it's worth. Why do some think that if someone is using linux they must spread the virtures of it and be a sales person for it. Also not having mention fo GNU, or GPL doesn't change what it is. In the end it's the software that matters. If you base how good something is on the if it's GPL or not your pretty much out of it.
Does Intel need to show in their end product what brand chairs the engineers at intel sit in? Does GM need to put stickers all over there cars saying what brand steel was used for the fenders?
I agree, i was saying it in the sense that Fred is not going to be interested in anything from it. It doesn't have common new parts they regularly go through. That car would be set asside for those looking for one. Really it was the first car that popped in my mind, don't know what, well Nova that is, i was thinkin 70s at first, but realized those should be crushed no question (sorry, 70s, and 80s where dark ages to me, and i'm not a GM fan asside from a few, like Chevy II novas). But from a shear part value you will probably get much more from a wrecked taurus then a well used nova.
Far as collecting, I agree to a point. But really we just don't know at this point. I don't see FWDs and such becoming collectable. But really it's all taste driven. I'm not down with many cars post 1965ish. There are a few cars that pop in my mind as collectable, like a lincoln mark VIII, that was a nice car for it's time and still looks impressive 12 years after they came out.
Far as looking the same, sorta. Like some companies live on dull, like Honda, and japanesse in general. Ford, GM, and Dodge have done a decent job of putting otu some interesting cars lately.
You can tweak them plenty, maybe not the same tweaking, but hey, their complexity has their gains, I wouldn't want to be stuck in 1960s tech. That and I work on hybrids for a living, so staying in the 60s would be bad. I can't say you are limited though. People make a focus into a RWD v8 beast with no problem, mustangs and vettes still have plenty of aftermarket. It all depends what you are into. If you love carburators, well then sure, times have changed, but people like myself don't see their death as a bad thing. Things arn't bad now, just differant. There are also lots of throw away cars. Kia, Hyundi, Dawoo etc. and crap models from companies. Unfortently that problem is driven by people thinking they need a new car, so they buy a new cheap POS instead of buying a good solid low mileage used car for less. I spent less on my focus then i would to buy a new kia. Hell of a lot better car. But so many refuse to buy a used one.
your a bit right. Typicaly auto salvage places are two sides. You'll have your Bubba's you pull it on one side, and Freds used auto parts on the other. Cars will come in to Bubba's. There if the car has no massive value, say it's a 67 chevy nova, good for parts but no modern stuff, it will go straight to the yard. Now say a 97 Ford Taurus comes in that got rear ended real bad. The will take it in, rip the engine out, many some other sub-componets, tranny seats, glass and so forth, since these are still very common cars. Those parts going over to Freds and people come in and buy them. Typical your local garage thats fixing a car. The rest of the car will go to the yard for U-pull it use. After a period of time if it's been stripped of most that was left over time by people, then they crush them. If there wasn't much after the first strip they will just crush them. Very few yard stack cars. Those are places that are just crushing. U-pull it places lay them out and keap them sorta by brand and type, usualy put them up on old rims so you can get under them. They have limited space, so they will crush the least useful ones as time goes buy. But if say its a classic, but all stripped, but has a good body they will keap those for people looking for project cars.
Like the poster said, cars are worth a lot in parts. Thats why you see Push Pull Drag in deals where they will give you 1000 bucks for a POS, it's worth it to them.
These places keap prices for repair down. If you need a big part for your car like an engine or tranny this is where it comes from, or a fender or hood. When a body shop or garage goes fixing your car they will always use these parts first unless they can't find them. Insurance company price out for these parts. You wouldn't want to pay for OEM fenders or a brand new engine. Even if they say they are new it is very unlikely they are new.
The reality of it is, if you bought a brand new car, or maybe a year old model cheap, then took it to a salvage yard, they could probably turn around and turn a profit on parting it out.
The giant car eaters are good for stuff that is crap. But those programs also raise the cost of used parts for your car. They are mainly pushed because the car companies get emmissions credits for getting old clunkers destroyed. Not a bad thing, just has it's serious draw backs. Since if your a car collector it will be come very hard to find that car you always wanted or parts for it.
It should be noted that in some places in Europe now car companies have to set up a EOL plan for the car that includes it's disposal, thats why those scredders are coming into play.
hey, I've picked that one up when going through Ohio and commented how it's good station and damn good for a college one. Pretty sure its the one you mention, I know it was a college on in that area, akron sounds right. Ohio really sucks to try and find a good station.