"endangering intelligence agents and exposing American spying methods."
I would like someone to explain to me how the Thomas Drake case involved anything remotely resembling the endangerment of intelligence agents. Furthermore, the domestic spying he exposed was illegal. Exposing that is not a crime, and nobody should be 'worried' about 'exposing' crimes. Furthermore, he did not release any classified information, nor was he even charged with doing so.
I do not understand how the Kim case, has no relationship whatsoever to intelligence agents, nor spying. It is about educated guessing about North Korea's weapons testing. One time, in a single telephone conversation, with a reporter. Where is the 'intelligence agent' here? Where is the 'spying methods'?
The Manning case has almost nothing to do with spying methods, as far as we know. Otherwise, they probably would have charged him under 18 USC 798 - they didn't. They charged him with 34 other things. 3 of those charges relate to the Icleandic banking scandal - i do not understand how that has anything to do with spying methods nor with intelligence agents. Is every state department employee now an 'intelligence agent'?
The Leibowitz case - we have no idea what the details of the case are. Even the judge doesn't know the details of the case. Leibowitz plead out because they scared him. What little we know is that he found out the FBI was engaged in illegal activity related to signals intelligence work. Two guesses as to what that is.
I will admit, the Sterling case is about intelligence agents and spying methods. It is about how the CIA accidentally screwed up and gave Iran accurate nuclear weapons information instead of inaccurate information. Let me just ask you - do you think the public is better off knowing that, or not?
The Wikileaks case - well, please let me know when there is concrete evidence that any intelligence agents have been harmed by wikileaks. Some ambassadors have been harmed - then again, ambassadors are quite often simply the biggest campaign donors to the president. That's how ambassadorships work. If those people are 'intelligence agents', well, I have to wonder about the wisdom of making campaign donors into intelligence agents. Shouldn't we be picking professionals instead?
I also haven't seen anything yet about any wikileaks cables that reveal spying information. Gun camera footage is all over youtube, should all of those youtube users now be charged under the Espionage act too?
The truth about lulz : Edwin Black, an author holed up in his basement, spending years and years researching the details for a book, reading thousands of documents and talking with hundreds of people, will achieve far more lulz, in the long run, than hacking a website.
Black's book came out circa 2001. That is 10 years ago, and people still talk about it. And we still wait for IBM to open their archives.
im talking about the SS, not the army
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Dehomag was intimately involved with the SS, from the Eugenics program to the holocaust. Im not talking about the Army.
Dehomag was successfull after the war, and many of the same people just worked for IBM, they re-integrated the performance metrics so that employees who had done well during the war kept their special bonus point style things.
IBM could have at least taken a page from Volkswagen and several other manufacturing companies and participated in the reconciliation process in the 1990s.
back then, data was not data
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if you had a technician from Dehomag walking into a camp every couple of weeks to make adjustments, fix broken parts, do routine maintenance, etc, it is kind of hard to argue that 'data was just data'.
if you had to have Dehomag technicians design the hole punch cards, with holes for Jew, and then how much Jew (1/8, 1/4, etc) and so forth and so on
China has just locked up a large number of dissidents, including Zhao Lianhai, who ran a website about the poisoned baby-milk scandal after his own son became ill.
A few months back, they put a girl in a labor camp for posting a sarcastic comment on twitter.
A good portion of the stories on slashdot would probably get you a jail sentence if you posted them in China.
I may not get 'online voting', then again maybe online voting is just a way to track who the troublemakers are - like Mao's Hundred Flowers campaign.
the original guy didn't incorporate at first
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he was just a dude selling stuff. and fighting patent lawsuits (some things dont change)
the 'bailout' was a lot more than the 700 billion TARP money.
fannie and freddie, for example.
they have tried to cover it up
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that is IBM's main problem. Companies like Ford and IG Farben have opened archives and they have even participated in restitution programs.
IBM has not.
please i invite you to read Mr Black's book
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it is not propaganda. almost every line in the entire book is well cited and documented.
we are not talking about Ford here. a truck can be used for anything.
the punch card systems had to be specifically designed, and then an IBM technician had to specifically go and maintain them, they were massively maintenance-intensive pieces of equipment. and punch cards were at the center of a lot of SS operations, including the holocaust (there were machines in the death camps), but also stuff like the Night and Fog decree (there was a hole punch coding for non-existant prisoner or something like that).
Also please remember the first concentration camp was built in 1934, at Dachau. IBM did not stop dealing with Dehomag right up until the US got into the war. It also dealt with subsidiaries in the Netherlands, Hungary, and several other Nazi occupied countries, sometimes surreptitiously through its headquarters in Switzerland.
in France, there a guy, Renee Carmille, who sabotaged the punchcard system, thus saving tens of thousands of Jews from certain death.
we are talking about misconduct, during the war, on a large scale.
All IBM has to do to clear this up is to open it's archives, like every other company has done.
IBM refused to do this.
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where IBM kept in contact with its Switzerland headquarters, was in trouble several times with the government for dealing with 'blacklisted' countries, the strings it pulled to get around those limitations, and one of whose officials was denied entry into the US after the war.
and then there are the ways that the subsidiaries, after the war, were brought back into the fold of IBM, along with all the profits they had reaped from their wartime experiences, which were meticulously recorded.
foisting a ponzi-scheme fraud bank privitization scheme, complete with payed-for glowing papers written by bought-off US ivy league academics, on a small, defenseless nation (iceland) and then declaring them terrorists when they refuse to pay you protection money, as though you were some 3rd rate mafia knee-breaker
providing a 'back office' for american companies like AIG to conduct unregulated business activites, like writing credit default swaps against CDO tranches of subprime mortgage securities. of course many experts in the industry call CDS 'gambling' and the CDO business a "ponzi scheme", but don't let that stop your regulators from ignoring what was happening.
when your regulators are actually needed to bend the rules, and prevent a Lehman Brothers bankruptcy, which would toss the entire planet into chaos after it makes the Primary Reserve Fund money market fund lose money, freaking out just about everyone whose job it is to manage money, well, you take your financial regulators, and instead of helping the US prevent this, instead you act all of a sudden like you need to actually care about regulation.
did i mention that the british taxpayers had to take over some of the british banks, pay their debts off? i.e. pay the armani wearing maserati driving hedge fund managers, bank executives, etc, who caused this CDO / CDS mess in the first place?
but god forbid you sell stuff on ebay without reporting it properly.
switzerland - islamic minarets are illegal, killing yourself is legal. hooray for the 'enlightened' nazi bankers who tried to put a whistleblower in jail (Christoph Mieli)
teaching kids that there is nothing unusual or abnormal about deriving entertainment from killing people, so that they lose the natural 'anti-killing' instinct that platoon leaders had to contend with in WWII.
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"endangering intelligence agents and exposing American spying methods."
I would like someone to explain to me how the Thomas Drake case involved anything remotely resembling the endangerment of intelligence agents. Furthermore, the domestic spying he exposed was illegal. Exposing that is not a crime, and nobody should be 'worried' about 'exposing' crimes. Furthermore, he did not release any classified information, nor was he even charged with doing so.
I do not understand how the Kim case, has no relationship whatsoever to intelligence agents, nor spying. It is about educated guessing about North Korea's weapons testing. One time, in a single telephone conversation, with a reporter. Where is the 'intelligence agent' here? Where is the 'spying methods'?
The Manning case has almost nothing to do with spying methods, as far as we know. Otherwise, they probably would have charged him under 18 USC 798 - they didn't. They charged him with 34 other things. 3 of those charges relate to the Icleandic banking scandal - i do not understand how that has anything to do with spying methods nor with intelligence agents. Is every state department employee now an 'intelligence agent'?
The Leibowitz case - we have no idea what the details of the case are. Even the judge doesn't know the details of the case. Leibowitz plead out because they scared him. What little we know is that he found out the FBI was engaged in illegal activity related to signals intelligence work. Two guesses as to what that is.
I will admit, the Sterling case is about intelligence agents and spying methods. It is about how the CIA accidentally screwed up and gave Iran accurate nuclear weapons information instead of inaccurate information. Let me just ask you - do you think the public is better off knowing that, or not?
The Wikileaks case - well, please let me know when there is concrete evidence that any intelligence agents have been harmed by wikileaks. Some ambassadors have been harmed - then again, ambassadors are quite often simply the biggest campaign donors to the president. That's how ambassadorships work. If those people are 'intelligence agents', well, I have to wonder about the wisdom of making campaign donors into intelligence agents. Shouldn't we be picking professionals instead?
I also haven't seen anything yet about any wikileaks cables that reveal spying information. Gun camera footage is all over youtube, should all of those youtube users now be charged under the Espionage act too?
I.E. einstein's letter to roosevelt.
IBM's involvement with various questionable rulers in the 20s and 30s was not done as an act of warfare, it was done for pure profit motive.
The truth about lulz : Edwin Black, an author holed up in his basement, spending years and years researching the details for a book, reading thousands of documents and talking with hundreds of people, will achieve far more lulz, in the long run, than hacking a website.
Black's book came out circa 2001. That is 10 years ago, and people still talk about it. And we still wait for IBM to open their archives.
Dehomag was intimately involved with the SS, from the Eugenics program to the holocaust. Im not talking about the Army.
Dehomag was successfull after the war, and many of the same people just worked for IBM, they re-integrated the performance metrics so that employees who had done well during the war kept their special bonus point style things.
IBM could have at least taken a page from Volkswagen and several other manufacturing companies and participated in the reconciliation process in the 1990s.
if you had a technician from Dehomag walking into a camp every couple of weeks to make adjustments, fix broken parts, do routine maintenance, etc, it is kind of hard to argue that 'data was just data'.
if you had to have Dehomag technicians design the hole punch cards, with holes for Jew, and then how much Jew (1/8, 1/4, etc) and so forth and so on
China has just locked up a large number of dissidents, including Zhao Lianhai, who ran a website about the poisoned baby-milk scandal after his own son became ill.
A few months back, they put a girl in a labor camp for posting a sarcastic comment on twitter.
A good portion of the stories on slashdot would probably get you a jail sentence if you posted them in China.
I may not get 'online voting', then again maybe online voting is just a way to track who the troublemakers are - like Mao's Hundred Flowers campaign.
he was just a dude selling stuff. and fighting patent lawsuits (some things dont change)
the 'bailout' was a lot more than the 700 billion TARP money.
fannie and freddie, for example.
that is IBM's main problem. Companies like Ford and IG Farben have opened archives and they have even participated in restitution programs.
IBM has not.
it is not propaganda. almost every line in the entire book is well cited and documented.
we are not talking about Ford here. a truck can be used for anything.
the punch card systems had to be specifically designed, and then an IBM technician had to specifically go and maintain them, they were massively maintenance-intensive pieces of equipment. and punch cards were at the center of a lot of SS operations, including the holocaust (there were machines in the death camps), but also stuff like the Night and Fog decree (there was a hole punch coding for non-existant prisoner or something like that).
Also please remember the first concentration camp was built in 1934, at Dachau. IBM did not stop dealing with Dehomag right up until the US got into the war. It also dealt with subsidiaries in the Netherlands, Hungary, and several other Nazi occupied countries, sometimes surreptitiously through its headquarters in Switzerland.
in France, there a guy, Renee Carmille, who sabotaged the punchcard system, thus saving tens of thousands of Jews from certain death.
we are talking about misconduct, during the war, on a large scale.
All IBM has to do to clear this up is to open it's archives, like every other company has done.
IBM refused to do this.
where IBM kept in contact with its Switzerland headquarters, was in trouble several times with the government for dealing with 'blacklisted' countries, the strings it pulled to get around those limitations, and one of whose officials was denied entry into the US after the war.
and then there are the ways that the subsidiaries, after the war, were brought back into the fold of IBM, along with all the profits they had reaped from their wartime experiences, which were meticulously recorded.
bailing out the insurance companies
foisting a ponzi-scheme fraud bank privitization scheme, complete with payed-for glowing papers written by bought-off US ivy league academics, on a small, defenseless nation (iceland) and then declaring them terrorists when they refuse to pay you protection money, as though you were some 3rd rate mafia knee-breaker
providing a 'back office' for american companies like AIG to conduct unregulated business activites, like writing credit default swaps against CDO tranches of subprime mortgage securities. of course many experts in the industry call CDS 'gambling' and the CDO business a "ponzi scheme", but don't let that stop your regulators from ignoring what was happening.
when your regulators are actually needed to bend the rules, and prevent a Lehman Brothers bankruptcy, which would toss the entire planet into chaos after it makes the Primary Reserve Fund money market fund lose money, freaking out just about everyone whose job it is to manage money, well, you take your financial regulators, and instead of helping the US prevent this, instead you act all of a sudden like you need to actually care about regulation.
did i mention that the british taxpayers had to take over some of the british banks, pay their debts off? i.e. pay the armani wearing maserati driving hedge fund managers, bank executives, etc, who caused this CDO / CDS mess in the first place?
but god forbid you sell stuff on ebay without reporting it properly.
'congrats boss, we just figured out a way to eliminate another bunch of labor costs'
"great! if only henry ford could see me"
'actually, i think henry ford raised all of his people, even the janitors, to something like 5 times the going wage'
"oh. i never liked him anyway, he was a nazi."
i mean, why should Oklahoma be importing "foreign oil" from texas when they have plenty of their own?
this is slashdot you know. if you are truly hard up for applicants, just post a link.
i mean, clearly, emacs is a threat to national security.
is illegal, under Canadian law? Wow, when can we expect the invasion?
oh my god. you have no idea how much i needed that laugh.
wait, what was i saying?
switzerland - islamic minarets are illegal, killing yourself is legal. hooray for the 'enlightened' nazi bankers who tried to put a whistleblower in jail (Christoph Mieli)
great game. i love the part where unemployment is stuck at 9% for 4 years in a row and you cant do a damn thing.
rich people have a lot of their own problems. emotional, psychological, etc.
teaching kids that there is nothing unusual or abnormal about deriving entertainment from killing people, so that they lose the natural 'anti-killing' instinct that platoon leaders had to contend with in WWII.
google killology for more info
i mean, how many football fields are we talking here? and if i stacked them one on the other, how high would they reach?
a common way for gangsters, thugs, criminals, and various corrupt officials to 'do away' with those who get in their way.
if suicide is not, at some level, regulated, then every murder will overnight become a 'suicide'.