I highly agree... hijackings will never be looked at again as an event where if you cooperate you will be ok. I can safely say that the majority of people would beat the living hell out of any moron who decided to jump up with a weapon (be it knife or uzi) and scream out that they are hijacking the plane.
In many ways, this is exactly why we are wrong in our focuse of "locking up the stable after the horse is gone". Identical hijackings could occur next week with pre-9/11 security in place and none of those planes would reach their target. Why? Because the "fight or flight" instinct would immediately kick over to "fight". On the other hand, no one is watching out for some maniac in a SUV loaded with fertilizer who decides to create his own road through the middle of the local shopping mall.
We're at war with terrorism and seditionist trash talk like "understanding muslims" should not be tolerated.
Understanding what you are up against is different than empathizing with them. you need to look up the definition of sedition in this case. Look back at WWII when we really didn't get up to the minute details about the enemy and their motives. An entire industry of documentary-minded people cropped up. The major difference in the current scenario is that we are compacting that information into a smaller time-span and are more readily informed not only about the enemy but our own government.
However, my faith in the free market to address issues effectively and in a timely fashion is not as strong as yours. For example, some would say that the free market forced airline fares below where they could afford reasonable security. Well, the free market has acted and the airlines are now in danger of folding due to an increased fear of flying. So what happens? The government steps in and bails them out. Free market in action, not.
Airlines now realize that security needs to be their number one priority or no one will fly with them. The free market will no longer fly with "Airline X" if their security allows hijackers to board a plane. Planes getting hijacked and crashing into a building CLEARLY presents a loss of money AND customers.
Your correllation here is awkward and flawed. People do not die when Microsoft starts bullying competitors. People will go to those competitors when it becomes apparent that Microsoft is bullying the customer.
Then there's no way in hell this war will ever be won. But that's the catch, we were in a similar situation in Vietnam where VC soldiers AND villagers alike were willing to kill themselves in order to kill a handful of our troops, the difference this time is that we don't have the option to leave the war and return to a safe America.
Take Israel for instance, they have been battling terrorism for 25+ years and STILL have to deal with some nutcase blowing themselves up in a mall or coffee shop every week or so.
So even though it is highly unlikey that planes will be used in the next attack, future attacks are almost guaranteed if history is any indication.
Just like much of the Amazon rainforest, amazon.com will soon meet a good team of slash and burn corporate types who will level the company to make way for a more profitable enterprise.
What I see, is more people getting laid off...
from the airlines
and the airplane makers
and the airports
What I see, is George Bush spouting more rhetoric...
things are gonna be hard
we have to make some sacrifices
go back to work and be productive
What I see, is executives of companies...
still getting big paychecks and bonuses
living in their big house
driving their big suv or lexus
hecho en mexico
What I see, is more laws taking away our rights...
turning us into a police state
protecting corporate interests
and making more laws from a knee jerk reaction
What I see, is a long road ahead of us...
where our fellow Americans die
to protect Starbucks and McDonalds
protecting our corporate profits and earnings
What I see, is the bomb being dropped...
but not by us
because we can't do that
we're too civilized
I hope we have something worth fighting for after everything is finished.
Free speech is dead.
The fences are going up.
Dogs that bite will be killed.
Dogs that bark will have collars put on them.
Al Qaeda, are coming for you, we are going to eradicate you and your twisted fundamentalism beliefs. United States, when we finish with them, we're gonna have to have a serious talk about some things that went on while we were away.
We also haven't heard diddly about the National Missile Defense either.
The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if Bush knew something about possible terrorist threats (nuclear or otherwise) and was trying to head them off with a missile shield.
I'm right down the street from CNN Center here in Atlanta (I ate lunch there today). I really don't think CNN is as concerned about news being altered as they are of having some maniac with C4 strapped to his chest running in and blowing up the middle of "Talkback Live".
Armed guards? Haha, the only armed people are the police that go there to eat lunch in the food court.
Security is still pretty lax though, I imagine it would be easier just to drive an SUV through the front entrance.
We have ascertained that you may be a considerable threat to the national security of the United States of America. Using keywords that are clearly defined in the FBI Counter-Terrorism Handbook as "red flag checks", you have violated US statute 1448.17d on terrorist speech (&United States -vs- Wajiid, 2003). Since this is your first offence, we require that you immediately attend your local PRI (Political Rehabilitation Institute) for no less than 2 days. Your employer/school has been notified of this misdemeanor and you will be placed on probation for sixty days.
Please call the National PRI Enrollment Hotline within 3 days to schedule your classes.
Someone mod this up. This is so on target it's scary.
The reason Bin Laden is waging this war is to start a cultural war. Look back to the Holy Crusades... East vs West, many soldiers died on both sides, and the only thing that came out of it was both sides agreeing to stop fighting. Not much of a victory.
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NATO has already given us the green light. I really doubt any border countries is going to try and shoot down our planes. Someone is about to feel the wrath of the United States and no one is going to willingly put their country in that spot right now. Even Iraq would be INCREDIBLY stupid to fuck with the US right now; Dubya wouldn't even blink while he issued the order to bomb them back to 1991. My only fear is that Osama bin Laden is going to manage to hide, bunker down and try and ride things out, or seek refuge with Pakistan terrorist cells. An even worse scenario would be for him to run into China and make this a political issue.
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Maybe if they could give us the coordinates we would be able to thank them. Otherwise this is a shallow gesture and only proves that Afghanistan is in "Cover Your Ass" mode and trying to avoid being the target of some serious bombage.
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1) sender checks compliancy of target machine. if encryption protocol is installed, message is encrypted.
2) sender encrypts message.
3) single use key is stored on originating server
4) encrypted message is transported to target machine
5) target machine receives message and reads encryption headers
6) target machine requests one time key from sender
7) simple security checks, this can be spoofed I'm sure, but try and validate 8he authenticity of the one-time key request. Flag and send a message to the sender if things seem out of order, or reject request.
9) if request is valid, send key and delete one-time key from server
10) further requests will be denied (so if a message gets intercepted and someone tried to get the key, if/when the actual target tries to unencrypt, they can get a notification that the key has already been used. they have to option to flag a message back to the sender notifying them of a possible breach.
I dunno, this might work, then again I'm not a mail or encryption expert.
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When Hal was "born," he was hardwired with nothing more than the letters of the alphabet and a preference for rewards -- a positive outcome -- over punishments -- a negative one.
[...] Treister-Goren corrects Hal's mistakes in her typewritten conversations with him, an action Hal is programmed to recognise as a punishment and avoids repeating.
How long until Hal figures out that sending high voltage through the typewriter stops the punishment?
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I highly agree... hijackings will never be looked at again as an event where if you cooperate you will be ok. I can safely say that the majority of people would beat the living hell out of any moron who decided to jump up with a weapon (be it knife or uzi) and scream out that they are hijacking the plane.
In many ways, this is exactly why we are wrong in our focuse of "locking up the stable after the horse is gone". Identical hijackings could occur next week with pre-9/11 security in place and none of those planes would reach their target. Why? Because the "fight or flight" instinct would immediately kick over to "fight". On the other hand, no one is watching out for some maniac in a SUV loaded with fertilizer who decides to create his own road through the middle of the local shopping mall.
Now I can have a battery to power ringzilla. Happy Happy Joy Joy.
We're at war with terrorism and seditionist trash talk like "understanding muslims" should not be tolerated.
Understanding what you are up against is different than empathizing with them. you need to look up the definition of sedition in this case. Look back at WWII when we really didn't get up to the minute details about the enemy and their motives. An entire industry of documentary-minded people cropped up. The major difference in the current scenario is that we are compacting that information into a smaller time-span and are more readily informed not only about the enemy but our own government.
However, my faith in the free market to address issues effectively and in a timely fashion is not as strong as yours. For example, some would say that the free market forced airline fares below where they could afford reasonable security. Well, the free market has acted and the airlines are now in danger of folding due to an increased fear of flying. So what happens? The government steps in and bails them out. Free market in action, not.
Airlines now realize that security needs to be their number one priority or no one will fly with them. The free market will no longer fly with "Airline X" if their security allows hijackers to board a plane. Planes getting hijacked and crashing into a building CLEARLY presents a loss of money AND customers.
Your correllation here is awkward and flawed. People do not die when Microsoft starts bullying competitors. People will go to those competitors when it becomes apparent that Microsoft is bullying the customer.
Where do you want to go today?
Better make up your mind quick, your license expires in 10 days.
I think his point is that if the ratio continues:
terrorist/civilian = 1/300
Then there's no way in hell this war will ever be won. But that's the catch, we were in a similar situation in Vietnam where VC soldiers AND villagers alike were willing to kill themselves in order to kill a handful of our troops, the difference this time is that we don't have the option to leave the war and return to a safe America.
Take Israel for instance, they have been battling terrorism for 25+ years and STILL have to deal with some nutcase blowing themselves up in a mall or coffee shop every week or so.
So even though it is highly unlikey that planes will be used in the next attack, future attacks are almost guaranteed if history is any indication.
Just like much of the Amazon rainforest, amazon.com will soon meet a good team of slash and burn corporate types who will level the company to make way for a more profitable enterprise.
What I see, is more people getting laid off...
from the airlines
and the airplane makers
and the airports
What I see, is George Bush spouting more rhetoric...
things are gonna be hard
we have to make some sacrifices
go back to work and be productive
What I see, is executives of companies...
still getting big paychecks and bonuses
living in their big house
driving their big suv or lexus
hecho en mexico
What I see, is more laws taking away our rights...
turning us into a police state
protecting corporate interests
and making more laws from a knee jerk reaction
What I see, is a long road ahead of us...
where our fellow Americans die
to protect Starbucks and McDonalds
protecting our corporate profits and earnings
What I see, is the bomb being dropped...
but not by us
because we can't do that
we're too civilized
I hope we have something worth fighting for after everything is finished.
Free speech is dead.
The fences are going up.
Dogs that bite will be killed.
Dogs that bark will have collars put on them.
Al Qaeda, are coming for you, we are going to eradicate you and your twisted fundamentalism beliefs. United States, when we finish with them, we're gonna have to have a serious talk about some things that went on while we were away.
Third rule about buying M$ products: You dont have to buy MS products.
We also haven't heard diddly about the National Missile Defense either.
The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if Bush knew something about possible terrorist threats (nuclear or otherwise) and was trying to head them off with a missile shield.
I'm right down the street from CNN Center here in Atlanta (I ate lunch there today). I really don't think CNN is as concerned about news being altered as they are of having some maniac with C4 strapped to his chest running in and blowing up the middle of "Talkback Live".
Armed guards? Haha, the only armed people are the police that go there to eat lunch in the food court.
Security is still pretty lax though, I imagine it would be easier just to drive an SUV through the front entrance.
Mr. Tom Utley (USNID-3304820198),
We have ascertained that you may be a considerable threat to the national security of the United States of America. Using keywords that are clearly defined in the FBI Counter-Terrorism Handbook as "red flag checks", you have violated US statute 1448.17d on terrorist speech (&United States -vs- Wajiid, 2003). Since this is your first offence, we require that you immediately attend your local PRI (Political Rehabilitation Institute) for no less than 2 days. Your employer/school has been notified of this misdemeanor and you will be placed on probation for sixty days.
Please call the National PRI Enrollment Hotline within 3 days to schedule your classes.
Thank you for your cooperation,
PRI-4493792028
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Time is EDT
Someone mod this up. This is so on target it's scary.
The reason Bin Laden is waging this war is to start a cultural war. Look back to the Holy Crusades... East vs West, many soldiers died on both sides, and the only thing that came out of it was both sides agreeing to stop fighting. Not much of a victory.
NATO has already given us the green light. I really doubt any border countries is going to try and shoot down our planes. Someone is about to feel the wrath of the United States and no one is going to willingly put their country in that spot right now. Even Iraq would be INCREDIBLY stupid to fuck with the US right now; Dubya wouldn't even blink while he issued the order to bomb them back to 1991. My only fear is that Osama bin Laden is going to manage to hide, bunker down and try and ride things out, or seek refuge with Pakistan terrorist cells. An even worse scenario would be for him to run into China and make this a political issue.
Maybe if they could give us the coordinates we would be able to thank them. Otherwise this is a shallow gesture and only proves that Afghanistan is in "Cover Your Ass" mode and trying to avoid being the target of some serious bombage.
Fill a whole column with FM 200 or Halon 1501
end-to-end mail encryption schema/idea:
1) sender checks compliancy of target machine. if encryption protocol is installed, message is encrypted.
2) sender encrypts message.
3) single use key is stored on originating server
4) encrypted message is transported to target machine
5) target machine receives message and reads encryption headers
6) target machine requests one time key from sender
7) simple security checks, this can be spoofed I'm sure, but try and validate 8he authenticity of the one-time key request. Flag and send a message to the sender if things seem out of order, or reject request.
9) if request is valid, send key and delete one-time key from server
10) further requests will be denied (so if a message gets intercepted and someone tried to get the key, if/when the actual target tries to unencrypt, they can get a notification that the key has already been used. they have to option to flag a message back to the sender notifying them of a possible breach.
I dunno, this might work, then again I'm not a mail or encryption expert.
Just imagine this in an environment where you can't keep the machine running all the time... like your car.
Obviously this bug will never be fixed.
The collective apathy level of the slashcode programmers is simply incredible. Last time I ever bother to help you guys out.
Easy way to stop this first post secret...
When the story is approved for the front page, delete all the comments for the story (one update, one delete statement.)
It's so easy to fix it's sad.
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I interviewed her a while back, what a total bitch.
When Hal was "born," he was hardwired with nothing more than the letters of the alphabet and a preference for rewards -- a positive outcome -- over punishments -- a negative one.
[...] Treister-Goren corrects Hal's mistakes in her typewritten conversations with him, an action Hal is programmed to recognise as a punishment and avoids repeating.
How long until Hal figures out that sending high voltage through the typewriter stops the punishment?