Nothing to see here...Just proprietary companies fucking up some computers. What do they care? They've got a large market to sere that doesn't run our far-superior POSIX compatible kernels.
I honestly hope there is a way to sue them, though I don't think there is.
Also, doing the ridiculous thing of answering myself, I'd like to add this forum thread (yes, Phoronix and noted by Phoronix as well):
http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23328&page=5 (page 5 is interesting, be the thread is lengthy)
So...what was that thread all about? A user on page 6 says: They could be developing the client on Linux for Mac OS X. The fact that the files have support for Linux does not mean that they actually intend to support it. The best that you can conclude that Linux users will get is unofficial support without an official announcement.
Maybe he was right. Still, I stand by my words: Something doesn't add-up here.
Going to the *real* source of the rumours: Phoronix. It all started in this page. And they say, quote: "Valve Corporation has [...] confirmed something we have been reporting for two years: the Steam content delivery platform and Source Engine are coming to Linux"
But where is this announcement? Later on that article we have something interesting: "An announcement from Valve itself is imminent."
Yet, Valve didn't make an announcement. We've been waiting for it.
As much as it may seem that Phoronix lied with their teeth here, they do point to other more respectful sources such as Telegraph.co.uk, who also seem to confirm said announcement: "Valve has also confirmed that it will make Steam available to Linux users in the coming months. "
But, then, they announced that it was official and that Valve had announced that it would be launching a Linux version. I do not recall seeing any actual Valve announcement, but this news hit Slashdot like a "Microsoft-is-dead!"-news-issue: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/its-official-steam-coming-linux And they say:
We recently touched on one way of being a Linux gamer. Recent news that Valve Software will soon be releasing a Linux client promises to provide another option for Linux gamers. The news could not come at a better time as the world will shortly focus on gaming with the upcoming, industry-only E3 conference, the crown jewel of the gaming industry.
While there are still no details on the list of game titles that will be available, the announcement alone is reason for any Linux gamer to get excited. Steam is a content delivery system for gamers which allows you to buy and download game titles and related media, once you have the client installed.
So, how do we go from announced to "not happening". Was this "announcement" a fake? It seems like it was...otherwise someone is BS me...
Agreed. I also have to add that I've been waiting for a new Age of Empires for ages now. What I saw there is a disappointment: It is made for the idiots that use the web. Why did we let them in anyway? The Web would be better if nearly everyone that uses new how it works -- that way, they'd probably value it.
I sincerely hope this fails on MS. I hope they go bankrupt on that service and go back to what they did well: Trying to innovate. Their best innovation was that of spreading Computer Access throughout the world, and I admire them for that. Other than that they're some crazy-assed monopolist sons-of-bitches. I hope everyone understands that -- and I hope everyone tries to contribute to Wine, so that we can free ourselves from those bastards. I can only point out that it's good they employ people, and I hope that, when this fails, said people continue employed.
Students should start dancing naked in front of their webcams while at home. Let's see if those schools like that piece of shit up their fascist little violated assholes.
I am sorry but I am sick of this ridiculous thing you Americans call "School" -- from what we get from there, it seems like a crazy party of idiots spying on soon-to-be-idiots-because-they-are-being-taught-by-idiots. Fix your system, please. Our system here isn't good, but we are sure that we can dance around naked in front of webcams without having teachers smiling at their dirty monitors.
This isn't entirely true. I live in Portugal. The media in here gives us the exact opposite news: Portugal imports more than it exports and it doesn't explore even a third of its potential in renewable energy sources. The whole story is written pro-government, stating that they were against "many voices". That is a lie. The government did indeed do a very good job in that department, but it was agreed by all parties and, I think (though I can't assure), that the idea was first brought on by part of the opposition. If there's one thing that this government did well was that. Now add up the tons of corruption cases hidden that were archived and we have our very own political suck ass system. I feel ashamed to live in a country full of idiots who continue to elect the bastards in the government, in spite the much clear evidence of their crimes, corruption and illegal activities. It's as they say, we can't let the whole country elect, because a great deal of it is illiterate and gullible (as a consequence of the long time it took us to support public education and the time it took us to dump religion, which ruled the mentality of the Portuguese people for years).
And I've seem some comments out there, such as: "Portugal will thrive while the US stumbles.". Portugal still doesn't have decent income from renewable energy sources. It won't, because the government is starting to cut back on what could help with that. Most importantly, public education is being ruined in Portugal. Next to nobody wants to teach now. Those who want, can't get in. Those who currently teach are being kicked out. Unless this changes, our educational system will be very degraded in the next 30 years. And without proper education, we can't have as many intelligent and kind people to lead us out of the blackhole that's haunted our country for years now.
I hope I'm drastically wrong, but a bit of research will tell you that it doesn't seem that way. The people who have been commenting here clearly don't live in Portugal and see what this is like. There are worse countries, though. I just hope Portugal can recognize its new great minds so that they don't do as the previous ones and run away to other countries.
"The upgrades will probably be carefully chosen"(...)
I said that foreseeing answers like yours. They're bringing in SECURITY updates. Besides that, I think they're smart enough to do some private testing before sending them to the wild. Additionally, they give you the chance of disabling that feature. Do you actually think that a security update is going to break that much? And don't bring me old examples, because those are, as it says, "old". Now that the team has made this decision, them they will surely think carefully before sending out updates. And if a bug does come out on the wild, it won't be that much of a deal, as an update is sent to fix a security bug. I'd rather not have a browser running because it had a faulty updated than browsing with known security "breaches". Sure, I'd be pissed off that they let something like that out, but that could happen with anything I own and I want to be as safe as possible. Besides, as I said, you can disable it if that pisses you off that much, get over yourself.
You forget that browser updates matter. And, in theory, OS security updates should as well. So let's not say that silent updates are not ideal for all cases. They're not ideal for stupid and silly apps that you shouldn't be supporting any way (woops, broke the rule of not bashing useful but bloated apps -- kill me!; woops, did it again!)
At the risk of being/. assassinated, I have to say that I agree with this. Particularly because it is possible to disable such a feature.
Non-techie people don't get a thing about browsers, updating, security, etc. The medium-techie usually want to be all updated, so will update to even RCs and Betas if they find them out. Techie guys, us, do whatever they want, but I believe that they want to be in control and know what's going on -- thus, they'll disable such feature. But especially for the non-techies, this is a way of getting free security upgrades. The upgrades will probably be carefully chosen so that there are no compatibility issues -- and if there are, non-techie to medium-techie users won't care that much.
All in all, it is good for people who don't care, and enables us who care to keep things the way we want it.
Here is the deal: reCAPTCHA presents two words. One is picked by it and is previously known. The other one is a word from a book that has been scanned. Said word is unknown to the reCAPTCHA system. When the user enters both words, reCAPTCHA checks to see if the known word has been properly recognized. If that is the case, then reCAPTCHA can assume that a human is answering. Given that a human is answering, then the second unknown word given by the human is most likely correct, because he/she will be able to recognize it as well. Using this system, reCAPTCHA works as a CAPTCHA (spam prevention) mechanism and also helps transforming old books/papers into digital format, such as the New York Times.
So, in practice, only one word has to be correct -- the word that reCAPTCHA knows. What's sad is that bots may contribute incorrect second words...
Next time, get informed before going all crazy.
And here is the relevant info, quoted from the aforementioned website:
reCAPTCHA improves the process of digitizing books by sending words that cannot be read by computers to the Web in the form of CAPTCHAs for humans to decipher. More specifically, each word that cannot be read correctly by OCR is placed on an image and used as a CAPTCHA. This is possible because most OCR programs alert you when a word cannot be read correctly.
But if a computer can't read such a CAPTCHA, how does the system know the correct answer to the puzzle? Here's how: Each new word that cannot be read correctly by OCR is given to a user in conjunction with another word for which the answer is already known. The user is then asked to read both words. If they solve the one for which the answer is known, the system assumes their answer is correct for the new one. The system then gives the new image to a number of other people to determine, with higher confidence, whether the original answer was correct.
I'm not like you at all in the sense that I am a kid who started learning how to program without knowing anything about it at all. Around my 6/7 years, I was taught HTML 4(very basic things) at a computer school. Then, when I turned 11 I got interested in it again and learned a bit of Javascript, but I didn't really realize what I was doing. One year later, though, when I turned 12 (or 13, I can't remember), I browsed thousands of C++ tutorials because it seemed the right thing for me to learn. It was C "with classes", which included nearly all the languages I thought existed. After 3 years on my own, learning through my own projects and tutorials, I bought a great book called "C++ How to Program" (and other Portuguese books). They helped me gain some algorithm development techniques while not teaching me language semantics and esoterisms themselves.
Added to that, I learned PHP for a couple of projects, and I realized that indeed C++ had prepared me for that very well. Same thing with Javascript -- I understood it immediatly. Then I decided to go with Assembly, which you already know. It helped me understand deeper roots within C++ which, in turn, enabled me to understand other languages in a better way as well. Nowadays, whatever language I look at, I usually get the gist of it just by reading a few lines of code, because *most* of their features are contained in C++ or C++010 or C++-related articles that I read. Also try to learn a bit of the Win32 API, but don't forget to write portable code. I worked with the W32API until I moved to GNU/Linux and had to write portable code so that all my windows friends could run what I programmed.
Indeed! I think I can sometimes benefit from it (as a student and a programmer), but I know many teachers who don't know how to work with computers. I find it unbelievable that here, in Portugal, it is now REQUIRED that you have a "pseudo-diploma" in computers to teach, even if you've been doing so without it for 50 years.
Most times we feel the need to be accepted and recognized, even by a small (and perhaps trash) community. Given our nerdiness and strangeness, things that we do and decide are extremely fascinating and works-of-art, are ignored or not understood by others. Hence, to feed the inner-self, we decide to try and get others to recognize us, seeing possibly in them what we don't see in our friends / parents. My opinion on the matter.
Good way to refute his argument. The thing to learn is: "Analogies suck, stick to something better". Yeah, I love the vague "something better" as well.
:) VB is what I usually use as a Virtual Machine. For around 3 years or so, every time I need a virtual machine, I choose VirtualBox. Hence, my criticism goest for that as well (it goes for that in particular;)). I really don't like to run those many services (another full OS, to be honest), for one app. I've had hardware accel working with VirtualBox -- it wasn't bad, but Wine was still always far superior.
Once again, I've expressed my opinion in this post-tree.
In the first post, I was merely bashing.NET. I know that it is useful for win32 developers, but please, don't tell me that it has everything that Java has (no, I'm no Java fanboy). I don't mean in architectural terms, but in portability. Just because they it is portable it doesn't mean it instantly is. MS did not supply any other implementations, nor did they help that much with the development of Mono. What's so bad about Mono, you might ask? Well, it is good enough for.NET 2, but all my apps that are built with something higher than.NET 2 get turned into dust. I cannot run them, that's all. Sure would be better if they tried to effectively port them but...oh wait, they don't want to...
Why must we keep searching for more and more languages to deploy in different timespans? Why must we choose for something as non portable as.NET3 and up? Yes, non-portable!
So, basically, it's what you said; I don't think there's anything wrong with.NET for windows-only developers, though I think that comparing it to Java is off-limits, but I hate the fact that so many developers prefer money to portability. Money for what's right. Sure, who says what's right? Who said it's making them portable and not the other way around? Well, I think we can almost always consider that if something can include X + Y, then it is better than X only. But in this pseudo-theory of mine, I am clearly not respecting variables such as cost, patience, time, etc...
Lastly, the expression "ruining the industry of everyone" is clearly wrong and a fallacy;)
You can read on my answers to this post-tree and see what I think. However, I should add that I do not represent in any way the Wine developers. Hence, they should not be dragged onto the deranged minds of people with nothing else to do but post on slashdot. Also, who said they invested their careers in cloning the Win32 API? Perhaps we've seen a redefinition of career in that very post.
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Nothing to see here...Just proprietary companies fucking up some computers. What do they care? They've got a large market to sere that doesn't run our far-superior POSIX compatible kernels.
I honestly hope there is a way to sue them, though I don't think there is.
I'm talking about the announcement that they say Valve made, see: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1763248&cid=33340564
But I was being ironic with the word irrefutable.
I was kind of talking about the most "recent" irrefutable proof.
Also, doing the ridiculous thing of answering myself, I'd like to add this forum thread (yes, Phoronix and noted by Phoronix as well):
http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23328&page=5 (page 5 is interesting, be the thread is lengthy)
So...what was that thread all about? A user on page 6 says: They could be developing the client on Linux for Mac OS X. The fact that the files have support for Linux does not mean that they actually intend to support it. The best that you can conclude that Linux users will get is unofficial support without an official announcement.
Maybe he was right. Still, I stand by my words: Something doesn't add-up here.
Going to the *real* source of the rumours: Phoronix. It all started in this page. And they say, quote:
"Valve Corporation has [...] confirmed something we have been reporting for two years: the Steam content delivery platform and Source Engine are coming to Linux"
But where is this announcement? Later on that article we have something interesting: "An announcement from Valve itself is imminent."
Yet, Valve didn't make an announcement. We've been waiting for it.
As much as it may seem that Phoronix lied with their teeth here, they do point to other more respectful sources such as Telegraph.co.uk, who also seem to confirm said announcement: "Valve has also confirmed that it will make Steam available to Linux users in the coming months. "
That's it: It's a mess.
I can't seem to follow this, nor get it straight in my mind.
It all started as rumors such as this one.
But, then, they announced that it was official and that Valve had announced that it would be launching a Linux version. I do not recall seeing any actual Valve announcement, but this news hit Slashdot like a "Microsoft-is-dead!"-news-issue: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/its-official-steam-coming-linux
And they say:
We recently touched on one way of being a Linux gamer. Recent news that Valve Software will soon be releasing a Linux client promises to provide another option for Linux gamers. The news could not come at a better time as the world will shortly focus on gaming with the upcoming, industry-only E3 conference, the crown jewel of the gaming industry.
While there are still no details on the list of game titles that will be available, the announcement alone is reason for any Linux gamer to get excited. Steam is a content delivery system for gamers which allows you to buy and download game titles and related media, once you have the client installed.
So, how do we go from announced to "not happening". Was this "announcement" a fake? It seems like it was...otherwise someone is BS me...
Agreed. I also have to add that I've been waiting for a new Age of Empires for ages now. What I saw there is a disappointment: It is made for the idiots that use the web. Why did we let them in anyway? The Web would be better if nearly everyone that uses new how it works -- that way, they'd probably value it.
I sincerely hope this fails on MS. I hope they go bankrupt on that service and go back to what they did well: Trying to innovate. Their best innovation was that of spreading Computer Access throughout the world, and I admire them for that. Other than that they're some crazy-assed monopolist sons-of-bitches. I hope everyone understands that -- and I hope everyone tries to contribute to Wine, so that we can free ourselves from those bastards. I can only point out that it's good they employ people, and I hope that, when this fails, said people continue employed.
So...we were just told that with every new application comes a new series of security flaws?
That's what keeps the industry running!
In Portugal, you basically know that 16MB means 8 MB after 16^2 hours on the phone with four people!
RTFA!
Students should start dancing naked in front of their webcams while at home. Let's see if those schools like that piece of shit up their fascist little violated assholes.
I am sorry but I am sick of this ridiculous thing you Americans call "School" -- from what we get from there, it seems like a crazy party of idiots spying on soon-to-be-idiots-because-they-are-being-taught-by-idiots. Fix your system, please. Our system here isn't good, but we are sure that we can dance around naked in front of webcams without having teachers smiling at their dirty monitors.
This isn't entirely true. I live in Portugal. The media in here gives us the exact opposite news: Portugal imports more than it exports and it doesn't explore even a third of its potential in renewable energy sources. The whole story is written pro-government, stating that they were against "many voices". That is a lie. The government did indeed do a very good job in that department, but it was agreed by all parties and, I think (though I can't assure), that the idea was first brought on by part of the opposition. If there's one thing that this government did well was that. Now add up the tons of corruption cases hidden that were archived and we have our very own political suck ass system. I feel ashamed to live in a country full of idiots who continue to elect the bastards in the government, in spite the much clear evidence of their crimes, corruption and illegal activities. It's as they say, we can't let the whole country elect, because a great deal of it is illiterate and gullible (as a consequence of the long time it took us to support public education and the time it took us to dump religion, which ruled the mentality of the Portuguese people for years).
And I've seem some comments out there, such as: "Portugal will thrive while the US stumbles.". Portugal still doesn't have decent income from renewable energy sources. It won't, because the government is starting to cut back on what could help with that. Most importantly, public education is being ruined in Portugal. Next to nobody wants to teach now. Those who want, can't get in. Those who currently teach are being kicked out. Unless this changes, our educational system will be very degraded in the next 30 years. And without proper education, we can't have as many intelligent and kind people to lead us out of the blackhole that's haunted our country for years now.
I hope I'm drastically wrong, but a bit of research will tell you that it doesn't seem that way. The people who have been commenting here clearly don't live in Portugal and see what this is like. There are worse countries, though. I just hope Portugal can recognize its new great minds so that they don't do as the previous ones and run away to other countries.
"The upgrades will probably be carefully chosen"(...)
I said that foreseeing answers like yours. They're bringing in SECURITY updates. Besides that, I think they're smart enough to do some private testing before sending them to the wild. Additionally, they give you the chance of disabling that feature. Do you actually think that a security update is going to break that much? And don't bring me old examples, because those are, as it says, "old". Now that the team has made this decision, them they will surely think carefully before sending out updates. And if a bug does come out on the wild, it won't be that much of a deal, as an update is sent to fix a security bug. I'd rather not have a browser running because it had a faulty updated than browsing with known security "breaches".
Sure, I'd be pissed off that they let something like that out, but that could happen with anything I own and I want to be as safe as possible. Besides, as I said, you can disable it if that pisses you off that much, get over yourself.
You forget that browser updates matter. And, in theory, OS security updates should as well. So let's not say that silent updates are not ideal for all cases. They're not ideal for stupid and silly apps that you shouldn't be supporting any way (woops, broke the rule of not bashing useful but bloated apps -- kill me!; woops, did it again!)
At the risk of being /. assassinated, I have to say that I agree with this. Particularly because it is possible to disable such a feature.
Non-techie people don't get a thing about browsers, updating, security, etc. The medium-techie usually want to be all updated, so will update to even RCs and Betas if they find them out. Techie guys, us, do whatever they want, but I believe that they want to be in control and know what's going on -- thus, they'll disable such feature.
But especially for the non-techies, this is a way of getting free security upgrades. The upgrades will probably be carefully chosen so that there are no compatibility issues -- and if there are, non-techie to medium-techie users won't care that much.
All in all, it is good for people who don't care, and enables us who care to keep things the way we want it.
This is not informative. As many have said. If You read: http://www.google.com/recaptcha/learnmore , you'll get it.
Here is the deal: reCAPTCHA presents two words. One is picked by it and is previously known. The other one is a word from a book that has been scanned. Said word is unknown to the reCAPTCHA system. When the user enters both words, reCAPTCHA checks to see if the known word has been properly recognized. If that is the case, then reCAPTCHA can assume that a human is answering. Given that a human is answering, then the second unknown word given by the human is most likely correct, because he/she will be able to recognize it as well. Using this system, reCAPTCHA works as a CAPTCHA (spam prevention) mechanism and also helps transforming old books/papers into digital format, such as the New York Times.
So, in practice, only one word has to be correct -- the word that reCAPTCHA knows. What's sad is that bots may contribute incorrect second words...
Next time, get informed before going all crazy.
And here is the relevant info, quoted from the aforementioned website:
reCAPTCHA improves the process of digitizing books by sending words that cannot be read by computers to the Web in the form of CAPTCHAs for humans to decipher. More specifically, each word that cannot be read correctly by OCR is placed on an image and used as a CAPTCHA. This is possible because most OCR programs alert you when a word cannot be read correctly. But if a computer can't read such a CAPTCHA, how does the system know the correct answer to the puzzle? Here's how: Each new word that cannot be read correctly by OCR is given to a user in conjunction with another word for which the answer is already known. The user is then asked to read both words. If they solve the one for which the answer is known, the system assumes their answer is correct for the new one. The system then gives the new image to a number of other people to determine, with higher confidence, whether the original answer was correct.
I'm not like you at all in the sense that I am a kid who started learning how to program without knowing anything about it at all.
Around my 6/7 years, I was taught HTML 4(very basic things) at a computer school. Then, when I turned 11 I got interested in it again and learned a bit of Javascript, but I didn't really realize what I was doing. One year later, though, when I turned 12 (or 13, I can't remember), I browsed thousands of C++ tutorials because it seemed the right thing for me to learn. It was C "with classes", which included nearly all the languages I thought existed. After 3 years on my own, learning through my own projects and tutorials, I bought a great book called "C++ How to Program" (and other Portuguese books). They helped me gain some algorithm development techniques while not teaching me language semantics and esoterisms themselves.
Added to that, I learned PHP for a couple of projects, and I realized that indeed C++ had prepared me for that very well. Same thing with Javascript -- I understood it immediatly. Then I decided to go with Assembly, which you already know. It helped me understand deeper roots within C++ which, in turn, enabled me to understand other languages in a better way as well. Nowadays, whatever language I look at, I usually get the gist of it just by reading a few lines of code, because *most* of their features are contained in C++ or C++010 or C++-related articles that I read. Also try to learn a bit of the Win32 API, but don't forget to write portable code. I worked with the W32API until I moved to GNU/Linux and had to write portable code so that all my windows friends could run what I programmed.
Indeed! I think I can sometimes benefit from it (as a student and a programmer), but I know many teachers who don't know how to work with computers. I find it unbelievable that here, in Portugal, it is now REQUIRED that you have a "pseudo-diploma" in computers to teach, even if you've been doing so without it for 50 years.
Watch the video. This is amazing!
I think that the Banana significantly outperformed the iPhone.
No, really, I mean it.
Most times we feel the need to be accepted and recognized, even by a small (and perhaps trash) community. Given our nerdiness and strangeness, things that we do and decide are extremely fascinating and works-of-art, are ignored or not understood by others. Hence, to feed the inner-self, we decide to try and get others to recognize us, seeing possibly in them what we don't see in our friends / parents.
My opinion on the matter.
Code your own ALSA backend or find somebody who can! For some reason it is an open-source project!
Good way to refute his argument. The thing to learn is: "Analogies suck, stick to something better". Yeah, I love the vague "something better" as well.
User: I ain't clickin' ye
Facebook: Yesssssss....yessss you AAAARE.
Doesn't seem likely.
:) VB is what I usually use as a Virtual Machine. For around 3 years or so, every time I need a virtual machine, I choose VirtualBox. Hence, my criticism goest for that as well (it goes for that in particular ;)). I really don't like to run those many services (another full OS, to be honest), for one app. I've had hardware accel working with VirtualBox -- it wasn't bad, but Wine was still always far superior.
Once again, I've expressed my opinion in this post-tree.
.NET. I know that it is useful for win32 developers, but please, don't tell me that it has everything that Java has (no, I'm no Java fanboy). I don't mean in architectural terms, but in portability. Just because they it is portable it doesn't mean it instantly is. MS did not supply any other implementations, nor did they help that much with the development of Mono. What's so bad about Mono, you might ask? Well, it is good enough for .NET 2, but all my apps that are built with something higher than .NET 2 get turned into dust. I cannot run them, that's all. Sure would be better if they tried to effectively port them but...oh wait, they don't want to...
.NET3 and up? Yes, non-portable!
.NET for windows-only developers, though I think that comparing it to Java is off-limits, but I hate the fact that so many developers prefer money to portability. Money for what's right. Sure, who says what's right? Who said it's making them portable and not the other way around? Well, I think we can almost always consider that if something can include X + Y, then it is better than X only. But in this pseudo-theory of mine, I am clearly not respecting variables such as cost, patience, time, etc...
;)
In the first post, I was merely bashing
Why must we keep searching for more and more languages to deploy in different timespans? Why must we choose for something as non portable as
So, basically, it's what you said; I don't think there's anything wrong with
Lastly, the expression "ruining the industry of everyone" is clearly wrong and a fallacy
You can read on my answers to this post-tree and see what I think. However, I should add that I do not represent in any way the Wine developers. Hence, they should not be dragged onto the deranged minds of people with nothing else to do but post on slashdot. Also, who said they invested their careers in cloning the Win32 API? Perhaps we've seen a redefinition of career in that very post.
.crap basher out.