Yes I get it and I've seen what happened to de facto standards before, i.e. IE html. That was a de facto standard too.
But I've seen many other good ideas been crippled due to one single proplem. They where not standardized.
So your actually making my point with phyton. Obj-c is not popular, it's only enforced by Apple to those who want to make apps for their products. Well you can if you have to use some c++ bridging but that is not the point.
Phyton is simply not popular, phyton is available on all major platforms. Obj-c is available to the mac users and linux user. How many linux users actually use GNU/Step? a few geeks. And most of them calling them selfs geeks don't understand the point of GNU/Step. If phyton got standardized like C. It may very well grow in popularity.
I'm not sure if C++ even is standardized at this point. But it may very well be as there has been some activity going around for achieving just that. Still a standard is better than free. IE was free too.
And why phyton isn't that popular either, what if it got standardized. Frozen or not..
A standardization body, will not be subject to sudden ideas of it's maker. Just look at PDF, how Adobe to day will not be able to change it easily, especially in a way that looks it tho them. It's a huge difference with a proprietary frozen code base and a standardized one.
Sigh, triangulation does happen with GPS satellites too, but then we just say GPS. When talking about triangulation they mean of the network stations, over GSM or what ever connection you have.
Furthermore your, phone is anyway tracked by the operators. And there triangulation is way more accurate, as they know their exact location of their antennas.
I tried to manually decipher the file name and location, it's not the easiest thing, if you don't use already developed tools for this task.
One more thing, if u turn on encryption, it seems like the file on the device is encrypted too not just the backups. Anyone with a JB iPhone that can confirm this?
They never look at the files, nor have any system that does it.
You know there is an other way, let the location data stay local. We say show this ad to New York areas and those who been in NY last month. The iPhone it self can determine if that add is a add that is to be downloaded and showed to the user. They never have to look or even manipulate the data on their end. Just keep a process for maintaining the data on the end device.
Perfect they can even make a framework so that third party applications can show ads based on that, without ever sending location data to anyone.
What they then may track is how many actually downloaded that add, how many clicked on it, and how many went and bought something based on that add.
This model makes all this possible without tracking anything of you, they just log you in your own private sphere, and never need to send the info anywhere. You even can opt for encrypting the information and it still works as supposed to.
The framework is called iAds. Not sure though if this is yet implemented. But comparing to google with global data about you, and Apple that only handles your local data on the local site. There is a huge difference.
The difference between logging and tracking. And it seems like Apple Logs a lot more than google, but tracks a whole lot less.
Yes but now we do have a standardized format. Packaged as MPEG1,2,4.
Why use anything different that is not a standard allready. What I say, WebM is welcome in the game, if it is standardized.
And BTW what standard is there that isn't governed by a standardization committee, none!
But true that not everything that is a standard started of as a standard. Eg, PDF, IEEE1394. Still they are today governed by a standardization committee.
And this is my whole point. Unless WebM is standardized, use MPEG. If WebM get standardized consider it then, not before.
The operators are logging you constantly, wether you use the phone or not. Some nokias are even rumored to have a backdoor possibility to turn it on remotely. That would be over gsm.
But the authorities just need an warrant and they get your triangulated info from the operators. And remember that info is extremely precise compared to triangulation on the phone. They know the exact location of their towers. The phone does not.
1 Tower gives the quite precise distance to your phone from the tower, but not direction. 2 Towers gives 2 possible points of your location, that is distance from the towers in two possible directions, with extreme precision. 3 Towers gives one point with precise position of your whereabouts. More towers adds more precision.
GPS works the same way, just that i's not as precise as 3 gsm towers.
The Apples is not loggin GPS data either. Best accuracy so far is within a few hundred meters. An other reacercher found faults large nough to find this not even logging the correct state he was in.
If you ever traveled between california and nevada, you know what long distance road your up to. This was what he found. The iPhone had logged him to Nevada, while he still haven't been even close.
This file is used for what, caching maybe... my strong belive is that the phone reads this database to determine what iAds it supposed to show you. This is why it's not erased IMHO.
Appel just sends out some tags, we got an add for NewYork Area, or if you been in NewYork during last 6 months. If the phone finds this true, it downloads the specific iAd and shows it in your iAd enabled Applications.
This is my firm belief why the file exists and what it's main usage is meant for and why it's not erased. Sure some other minor usages may also be there.
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Yes I get it and I've seen what happened to de facto standards before, i.e. IE html. That was a de facto standard too.
But I've seen many other good ideas been crippled due to one single proplem. They where not standardized.
So your actually making my point with phyton. Obj-c is not popular, it's only enforced by Apple to those who want to make apps for their products. Well you can if you have to use some c++ bridging but that is not the point.
Phyton is simply not popular, phyton is available on all major platforms. Obj-c is available to the mac users and linux user. How many linux users actually use GNU/Step? a few geeks. And most of them calling them selfs geeks don't understand the point of GNU/Step. If phyton got standardized like C. It may very well grow in popularity.
I'm not sure if C++ even is standardized at this point. But it may very well be as there has been some activity going around for achieving just that. Still a standard is better than free. IE was free too.
where is your logic, your making a circular statement which does not apply.
Did you read the references and links of that wiki article about modern piltdown?
Well you need to start looking att cocoa or gnustep to get what object oriented programming is all about.
You mean the evolution hoax...
Allt the school books based on this hoax...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_man
You believe what ever you want but stop fooling around about creationist hoax, when the other is no better at all.
And why phyton isn't that popular either, what if it got standardized. Frozen or not..
A standardization body, will not be subject to sudden ideas of it's maker. Just look at PDF, how Adobe to day will not be able to change it easily, especially in a way that looks it tho them. It's a huge difference with a proprietary frozen code base and a standardized one.
I was asking within the concept of security and knowing what happens. Open Source or Closed Source.
Sigh, triangulation does happen with GPS satellites too, but then we just say GPS. When talking about triangulation they mean of the network stations, over GSM or what ever connection you have.
Furthermore your, phone is anyway tracked by the operators. And there triangulation is way more accurate, as they know their exact location of their antennas.
I tried to manually decipher the file name and location, it's not the easiest thing, if you don't use already developed tools for this task.
One more thing, if u turn on encryption, it seems like the file on the device is encrypted too not just the backups. Anyone with a JB iPhone that can confirm this?
They never look at the files, nor have any system that does it.
You know there is an other way, let the location data stay local. We say show this ad to New York areas and those who been in NY last month. The iPhone it self can determine if that add is a add that is to be downloaded and showed to the user. They never have to look or even manipulate the data on their end. Just keep a process for maintaining the data on the end device.
Perfect they can even make a framework so that third party applications can show ads based on that, without ever sending location data to anyone.
What they then may track is how many actually downloaded that add, how many clicked on it, and how many went and bought something based on that add.
This model makes all this possible without tracking anything of you, they just log you in your own private sphere, and never need to send the info anywhere. You even can opt for encrypting the information and it still works as supposed to.
The framework is called iAds. Not sure though if this is yet implemented. But comparing to google with global data about you, and Apple that only handles your local data on the local site. There is a huge difference.
The difference between logging and tracking. And it seems like Apple Logs a lot more than google, but tracks a whole lot less.
Do you actually compile your own Android distr., and actually check the source code?
You really believe that your not tracked, just because your not on a smartphone.
Well you maybe aren't by google. But that you aren't either if you have a non android smart phone and don't use their services.
Same goes for iphone, and frankly. Even when ur on iPhone google has you tracked more than Apple.
Nah, seems like zero, non in apples case. Only personal files for the tracking of the same person....
Yes but now we do have a standardized format. Packaged as MPEG1,2,4.
Why use anything different that is not a standard allready. What I say, WebM is welcome in the game, if it is standardized.
And BTW what standard is there that isn't governed by a standardization committee, none!
But true that not everything that is a standard started of as a standard. Eg, PDF, IEEE1394. Still they are today governed by a standardization committee.
And this is my whole point. Unless WebM is standardized, use MPEG. If WebM get standardized consider it then, not before.
Please be correct when you flame.
It's logging not tracking and there is a significant difference.
This will not happen...
Google harvest this info, Apple lets it be your private info, and up to you to protect. So google model of erasing is pointless.
ignorant clod... there is an app on iOS devices, from Apple called Settings.
You know it's Apple so it's even more user friendly.
The operators are logging you constantly, wether you use the phone or not. Some nokias are even rumored to have a backdoor possibility to turn it on remotely. That would be over gsm.
But the authorities just need an warrant and they get your triangulated info from the operators. And remember that info is extremely precise compared to triangulation on the phone. They know the exact location of their towers. The phone does not.
1 Tower gives the quite precise distance to your phone from the tower, but not direction.
2 Towers gives 2 possible points of your location, that is distance from the towers in two possible directions, with extreme precision.
3 Towers gives one point with precise position of your whereabouts. More towers adds more precision.
GPS works the same way, just that i's not as precise as 3 gsm towers.
The Apples is not loggin GPS data either. Best accuracy so far is within a few hundred meters. An other reacercher found faults large nough to find this not even logging the correct state he was in.
If you ever traveled between california and nevada, you know what long distance road your up to. This was what he found. The iPhone had logged him to Nevada, while he still haven't been even close.
Just so u know, i'm a fin, i guess u too.
Jepp
This file is used for what, caching maybe... my strong belive is that the phone reads this database to determine what iAds it supposed to show you. This is why it's not erased IMHO.
Appel just sends out some tags, we got an add for NewYork Area, or if you been in NewYork during last 6 months. If the phone finds this true, it downloads the specific iAd and shows it in your iAd enabled Applications.
This is my firm belief why the file exists and what it's main usage is meant for and why it's not erased. Sure some other minor usages may also be there.
That is why Apple is serious about your privacy, Steve Jobs has an iPhone.
1) How exactly would they obtain this information....
2) Eh based on what information....
3) Eh again based on what information...
The original example is the most correct one of what can happen.
Frist they are not tracking.
Secondly they are logging.
Different things.
That is fully up to those who want to ship their software. They are allowed to ship freely to anyone. Still they have to pay the license.
Stupid, yes. But that is the legal case here.
First of all WebM is no standard, what standardizations committee governs it.
Google is no such thing.
So correcting your comment.
h.264 is a frozen standard.
WebM is frozen.
What ever that means.