1. You cannot define an OS. OS is the definition. OS is the meaning and the program. 2. User can exist without an OS. User can exist without a computer. OS can exist without a user. But when OS can exist without a computer user is not needed any longer. 3. If OS crashes in on a computer that is never used , does it still crash? 4. You can call OS names, but there is still a W between O and S in Windows. 5. All is OS. Browser is OS, Word Processor is OS, Spreadsheet editor is OS, Real time manager of Jello production conveyer is an OS. But OS is not anymore. 6. Computer that says "No Operating System Found" is liying to you for something has written those words on the screen. 7. OS can be within OS. OS can be without OS. 8. Users are not made for OS. OS is not made for users. 9. One can create an OS. 10. There was time when OS wasn't. There will be time when OS is no more.
IMHO every person who wants to call himself a programmer should write a compiler of something. Everybody who wants to call himself a real programmer should write a compiler for language of his own design. I am not a programmer.
Java is not an OS because everyone here at least agrees that OS is supposed to be between hardware and applications or should include that piece. In case of Java, it is inherently incapable of running by itself. VM as you know stands for *virtual* machine.
> Well, basically the OS manages the resources > available to it. So anything that can manage > the system's resources can be considered an OS. Oh, yeah? iMac is a colorful and stupid computer. So, anything that is colorful and stupid is an iMac. Wow, a perfect syllogism. Spelling seems to be correct, next time run logic check.
Depends what you want when you do this. Whatever you want, you get. You were looking for a relationship and you got one. I was looking to get laid and I did:)
Maybe it is because I am not now and have never been a high school student. But aren't there already psychological tests being deployed in schools? Ad do you think the results are checked manually? OK, I got it! Let's imagine Katz's picture of near future. An empty room with a table secured to the floor in the center. On the table there is a terminal and one of the walls looks like it is made of black glass. Behind the terminal there is a weakly, thin teenager in glasses who is sweating and wimpering, but answering the questions on the screen. The questions which have been pretty inocent at first soon get very personal and then self-incriminating, and there seems to be no right answer. "If you had a shotgun, which parent would you kill first? A. Mother. B. Father. C. School principle first then both of them" And behind the wall of glass ( which is surely one way transparent sits the evil teacher behind the evil Mosaica 2000 computer and the screen flashes red and in huge letters it says "GEEK". Teacher laughs evilly and rubs his hands and presses the "... No, it is not going to work like that. BAsically as far as I understand this is one more psychological test which was tailored to detect certain kinds of emotional disorders among particular age group. Yes, the idea of somebody making critical desicions based solely on the results of a psych test is apalling, but in that case why don't you pull in suicide tests mentioned by some other slashdotter? You can abuse those if you take results without thinking. As they say "For every good idea there will be an idiot who will develop it into an absurdity" Yes, I think that educational system needs a lot of improvement (... improvement... I am trying to be polite here ) but, I think Katz is either overreacting, or ( and this is more probable ) is just missing the good days when he was SO POPULAR because of his "Voices from the Hellmouth" coverage. He appears to be naive enough to try to ride on the same story again without having as much as even a new detail to the already covered material. Sorry kids. No 1984 today. Big brother is tired and is going to sleep.
Security is a big concern in schools in any configuration. NCs are ( IMHO ) inherently more secure then networked PCs for you only have a server security to worry about and not the client.
As one of the previous posters mentioned mp3 is a data format and CD ( or CD-R or CD-RW or whatever ) is a media format. I wonder why didn't some electronics company try to put together minidisk and mp3 technologies. Meaning make an mp3 player that uses MDs as storage. Think, MD is small enough to be comparable with all the flash based mp3 players out there. Storage would become vast and cheap ( I don't know MD storage capacity, but I am pretty sure it is more then 64 MB ). Still, nobody seems to do it. Are there any known problems with this?
What else would you expect. Every software ( and hardware too but to less extent ) manufacturer whants to hurt MS as much as they can. And it seems natural to use Linux for this purpose. Does it hurt Linux? No, because it get the commercial software and hardware support it desperately needs. Does it help Linux? Yes it does. For everybody start to say "Linux" where they used to say "Microsoft". Should OSS community be wary of this trend? Yes it should for corporations like Sun do not *really* care about OSS, but only about their own agendas. Let them help Linux beat MS, and we will see what comes next. If Sun tries to become second MS, IMHO it will only be another good challenge for Linux. Actually a much stronger challenge then the current one, for at least Sun makes decent software:)
The mere fact that this "user group" has a discussion on this topic, makes me think of them as stupid. They do not have to spend time to make a distro to achieve that. I do believe that this "group" ( cough will kill me today ) should stick with simpler subjects like weather and health.:)
------------------snip----------------------- "I don't think that it is a good idea to have a separate distribution," wrote Emily Ratliff, adding that there are already too many. "And I would hate to open up another avenue to criticize women who love computers, i.e. 'They are too stupid to use the real thing'. " ----------------------------------------------
ftp.cdrom.com is running on FreeBSD AFAIK www.yahoo.com runs FreeBSD www.idt.net ( a major national ISP ) runs FreeBSD Could you please tell me of a site of same magnitude running Linux?
Ooohhh! How I hate flame wars and OS holy wars and the rest of the holy flame bullshit. But let me through and I will swing my old light saber a few times, for old times sake.
1. I tried both OSs in question. 2. FreeBSD IS more stable then Linux. 3. I currently run Linux ( Mandrake 6.0 ) 4. Running Linux binaries under FreeBSD is possible and may even give you better performance. There are however a few things like registering binaries as Linux and there was ( as I recall ) some issues with Linux libraries. 5. Linux has more software written for it. 6. FreeBSD is much MUCH more structured as a distribution. The way they handle updates to the OS is something I hope Linux will learn sometime. 7. I don't give a damn about licensing. 8. FreeBSD supports way less hardware. 9. FreeBSD kernel is monolithic this way effectively preventing hardware support by manufacturer without the manufacturer supplying the source code. 10. FreeBSD ports system is much better organized then anything of the kind I've seen under Linux. 11. FreeBSD is much much less user friendly out of the box ( no bash installed for example ). You have to spend quite some time with it after installation to make it work as you want it too. 12. I kinda like SysV runlevel system:) 13. FreeBSD is even more flexible then Linux if you try to make it run in some kind of non-trivial conditions. 14. Memory management is better in FreeBSD. 15. Installation ( not the config ) is easier in FreeBSD
I think that crackers ( whether talented or stupid ) should be punished, but I do not think it is right to place them in the same row with vandals or terorists or any other type of real world criminals because the value systems of net and real world are very different. A terorist blowing up a building or a vandal spray painting some kind of national treasure do actual ( often irrepairable or just plain very costly ) damage to real items. A cracker defacing a web site does not do any REAL damage ( unless the sysadmins were so stupid that they do not have backups, in which case they deserve it ). All it takes to put the site back is a restore, and unless the cracker was very persistent it is only a few relatively small files so it doesn't take too much time. The crime in this case would be the disruption of service that he caused. This is another major difference between RW and the Net. The time on the Net is MUCH faster and more valuable then time of RW. A store closed for a day is nothing or not much. A popular web site down for a day is a lot of nuisance/trouble and maybe real damage to people. This guy is not supposed to be tried as a plain criminal. There should be a separate set of laws concerning cyber-crime. Maybe even a separate organization should be handling this instead of standard govermental mechanisms, much like IRS handles tax related issues and INS handles immigration related stuff.
> A typical journalist, who can't tell emacs from a c-shell
Mneee... IMHO although emacs is extremely powerful in its field only a few people will actually get more productive from spending time learning how to properly use it, in particular developers and may be a few minor user groups with strange software requirements. A journalist is not supposed to know emacs. IMHO emacs is included with most Linux distros only because linux is still centered on developers as it's primary users. As for c-shell... I wish it has never been written, the world might have been a much better and happier place:)
Ohh, come on, read something on the works of a totalitarian society or just shut up. There may be some filtering going on, but I doubt that. No use doing that for the reasons you stated and much more. What this system is for is to enable them to "overhear" electronic communication of any person of their choice. To make an analogy the sytuation is the same as if all the phones in the country were tapped, so that as soon as some law enforcement/internal affairs/social security agency becomes interested in your personale life ( for whatever reason ) they can get you conversations right away without spendng much effort. Basically it works somewhat similar to the telescreens from "1984", you know that they cannot be whatching them all the time but you do not know when they start or stop whatching them. "1984" is not very far from the truth actually, if you think of it and read the book the right way.:)
It is a pity. I think it is a very well done movie although with some extra effort built into it to cause naive girls to cry, but still a very good movie, with very good camera work, acting, costumes and plot.
If you are not one of them snseless DeCaprio hate club members you should definitely see it
I do not see why everybody is so upset about DeCaprio. He is a talented, I would even say one of the most talented young actors of these days and he played well in quite a few movies. I think that his acting in "Titanic" was superb. The only reason I see that he should not star in SW II is that his face is too well known to the public and as long as I understand Lucas doesn't use well known faces ( or at least IMHO he shouldn't ) in his movies. Seeing a well known actor in a movie takes just a little bite out of sense of realism that movie transpires. Otherwise LDC is OK.
OK in my experience these are the ranks for NOS: ( mind you I have never used Solaris ) For file/print services and user management: 1. Netware 4.11 ( 5 is still too fresh ) 2. FreeBSD ( or OpenBSD or NetBSD ) 3. Linux 99. NT4 ( I am not going to rank NT 3.51 for it is out of integer bounds:) )
For Internet services: 1. FreeBSD ( sorry, but it IS more stable than Linux ) 2. Linux 15. NT4 ( NT 3.x same as above ) 35. Netware ( applications are way too fresh and do not support a lot of required things )
For general application services: 1. Linux 2. NT4 ( rather unfortunate, but they do have good application base ) 3. FreeBSD ( after all a lot of Linux apps will run on it:) ) 99. Netware ( not much application support there... almost none at all )
Then it sounds fair. Let's see the results. I hope they got good linux experts. And I hope they will not cheat with hardware. Like take some HW that is known to lose performance under linux.
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1. You cannot define an OS. OS is the definition. OS is the meaning and the program.
2. User can exist without an OS. User can exist without a computer. OS can exist without a user. But when OS can exist without a computer user is not needed any longer.
3. If OS crashes in on a computer that is never used , does it still crash?
4. You can call OS names, but there is still a W between O and S in Windows.
5. All is OS. Browser is OS, Word Processor is OS, Spreadsheet editor is OS, Real time manager of Jello production conveyer is an OS. But OS is not anymore.
6. Computer that says "No Operating System Found" is liying to you for something has written those words on the screen.
7. OS can be within OS. OS can be without OS.
8. Users are not made for OS. OS is not made for users.
9. One can create an OS.
10. There was time when OS wasn't. There will be time when OS is no more.
Strange... Where would you put it. Or do you have a house THAT big? I, personaly, would like an O2
He toggled in his copy of IE.
IMHO every person who wants to call himself a programmer should write a compiler of something. Everybody who wants to call himself a real programmer should write a compiler for language of his own design. I am not a programmer.
Java is not an OS because everyone here at least agrees that OS is supposed to be between hardware and applications or should include that piece. In case of Java, it is inherently incapable of running by itself. VM as you know stands for *virtual* machine.
*that's it folks*
It doesn't have any "packaging" fancy or not.
> Well, basically the OS manages the resources > available to it. So anything that can manage > the system's resources can be considered an OS. Oh, yeah? iMac is a colorful and stupid computer. So, anything that is colorful and stupid is an iMac. Wow, a perfect syllogism. Spelling seems to be correct, next time run logic check.
Depends what you want when you do this. Whatever you want, you get. You were looking for a relationship and you got one. I was looking to get laid and I did :)
Maybe it is because I am not now and have never been a high school student. But aren't there already psychological tests being deployed in schools? Ad do you think the results are checked manually? OK, I got it! Let's imagine Katz's picture of near future. ... improvement... I am trying to be polite here ) but, I think Katz is either overreacting, or ( and this is more probable ) is just missing the good days when he was SO POPULAR because of his "Voices from the Hellmouth" coverage. He appears to be naive enough to try to ride on the same story again without having as much as even a new detail to the already covered material.
An empty room with a table secured to the floor in the center. On the table there is a terminal and one of the walls looks like it is made of black glass. Behind the terminal there is a weakly, thin teenager in glasses who is sweating and wimpering, but answering the questions on the screen. The questions which have been pretty inocent at first soon get very personal and then self-incriminating, and there seems to be no right answer.
"If you had a shotgun, which parent would you kill first?
A. Mother.
B. Father.
C. School principle first then both of them"
And behind the wall of glass ( which is surely one way transparent sits the evil teacher behind the evil Mosaica 2000 computer and the screen flashes red and in huge letters it says "GEEK". Teacher laughs evilly and rubs his hands and presses the "...
No, it is not going to work like that. BAsically as far as I understand this is one more psychological test which was tailored to detect certain kinds of emotional disorders among particular age group. Yes, the idea of somebody making critical desicions based solely on the results of a psych test is apalling, but in that case why don't you pull in suicide tests mentioned by some other slashdotter? You can abuse those if you take results without thinking. As they say "For every good idea there will be an idiot who will develop it into an absurdity" Yes, I think that educational system needs a lot of improvement (
Sorry kids. No 1984 today. Big brother is tired and is going to sleep.
Security is a big concern in schools in any configuration. NCs are ( IMHO ) inherently more secure then networked PCs for you only have a server security to worry about and not the client.
As one of the previous posters mentioned mp3 is a data format and CD ( or CD-R or CD-RW or whatever ) is a media format. I wonder why didn't some electronics company try to put together minidisk and mp3 technologies. Meaning make an mp3 player that uses MDs as storage. Think, MD is small enough to be comparable with all the flash based mp3 players out there. Storage would become vast and cheap ( I don't know MD storage capacity, but I am pretty sure it is more then 64 MB ). Still, nobody seems to do it. Are there any known problems with this?
What else would you expect. Every software ( and hardware too but to less extent ) manufacturer whants to hurt MS as much as they can. And it seems natural to use Linux for this purpose. Does it hurt Linux? No, because it get the commercial software and hardware support it desperately needs. Does it help Linux? Yes it does. For everybody start to say "Linux" where they used to say "Microsoft". Should OSS community be wary of this trend? Yes it should for corporations like Sun do not *really* care about OSS, but only about their own agendas. Let them help Linux beat MS, and we will see what comes next. If Sun tries to become second MS, IMHO it will only be another good challenge for Linux. Actually a much stronger challenge then the current one, for at least Sun makes decent software :)
The mere fact that this "user group" has a discussion on this topic, makes me think of them as stupid. They do not have to spend time to make a distro to achieve that. I do believe that this "group" ( cough will kill me today ) should stick with simpler subjects like weather and health. :)
------------------snip-----------------------
"I don't think that it is a good idea to have a separate distribution," wrote Emily Ratliff, adding that there are already too many. "And I would hate to open up another avenue to criticize women who love computers, i.e. 'They are too stupid to use the real thing'. "
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ftp.cdrom.com is running on FreeBSD
AFAIK www.yahoo.com runs FreeBSD
www.idt.net ( a major national ISP ) runs FreeBSD
Could you please tell me of a site of same magnitude running Linux?
Ooohhh! How I hate flame wars and OS holy wars and the rest of the holy flame bullshit. But let me through and I will swing my old light saber a few times, for old times sake.
:)
:)
1. I tried both OSs in question.
2. FreeBSD IS more stable then Linux.
3. I currently run Linux ( Mandrake 6.0 )
4. Running Linux binaries under FreeBSD is possible and may even give you better performance. There are however a few things like registering binaries as Linux and there was ( as I recall ) some issues with Linux libraries.
5. Linux has more software written for it.
6. FreeBSD is much MUCH more structured as a distribution. The way they handle updates to the OS is something I hope Linux will learn sometime.
7. I don't give a damn about licensing.
8. FreeBSD supports way less hardware.
9. FreeBSD kernel is monolithic this way effectively preventing hardware support by manufacturer without the manufacturer supplying the source code.
10. FreeBSD ports system is much better organized then anything of the kind I've seen under Linux.
11. FreeBSD is much much less user friendly out of the box ( no bash installed for example ). You have to spend quite some time with it after installation to make it work as you want it too.
12. I kinda like SysV runlevel system
13. FreeBSD is even more flexible then Linux if you try to make it run in some kind of non-trivial conditions.
14. Memory management is better in FreeBSD.
15. Installation ( not the config ) is easier in FreeBSD
That should be about it.
/me is waiting for a flame storm to hit
I think that crackers ( whether talented or stupid ) should be punished, but I do not think it is right to place them in the same row with vandals or terorists or any other type of real world criminals because the value systems of net and real world are very different. A terorist blowing up a building or a vandal spray painting some kind of national treasure do actual ( often irrepairable or just plain very costly ) damage to real items. A cracker defacing a web site does not do any REAL damage ( unless the sysadmins were so stupid that they do not have backups, in which case they deserve it ). All it takes to put the site back is a restore, and unless the cracker was very persistent it is only a few relatively small files so it doesn't take too much time. The crime in this case would be the disruption of service that he caused. This is another major difference between RW and the Net. The time on the Net is MUCH faster and more valuable then time of RW. A store closed for a day is nothing or not much. A popular web site down for a day is a lot of nuisance/trouble and maybe real damage to people. This guy is not supposed to be tried as a plain criminal. There should be a separate set of laws concerning cyber-crime. Maybe even a separate organization should be handling this instead of standard govermental mechanisms, much like IRS handles tax related issues and INS handles immigration related stuff.
.02$
Just my
Will someone ple3ase enlighten me in what's wrong with S3 chipset? I used it quite a lot and never had any problems.
Jeld The Dark Elf
> A typical journalist, who can't tell emacs from a c-shell
:)
Mneee... IMHO although emacs is extremely powerful in its field only a few people will actually get more productive from spending time learning how to properly use it, in particular developers and may be a few minor user groups with strange software requirements. A journalist is not supposed to know emacs. IMHO emacs is included with most Linux distros only because linux is still centered on developers as it's primary users. As for c-shell... I wish it has never been written, the world might have been a much better and happier place
Ohh, come on, read something on the works of a totalitarian society or just shut up. There may be some filtering going on, but I doubt that. No use doing that for the reasons you stated and much more. What this system is for is to enable them to "overhear" electronic communication of any person of their choice. To make an analogy the sytuation is the same as if all the phones in the country were tapped, so that as soon as some law enforcement/internal affairs/social security agency becomes interested in your personale life ( for whatever reason ) they can get you conversations right away without spendng much effort. Basically it works somewhat similar to the telescreens from "1984", you know that they cannot be whatching them all the time but you do not know when they start or stop whatching them. :)
"1984" is not very far from the truth actually, if you think of it and read the book the right way.
>>I have never seen Titanic, nor do I intend to.
It is a pity. I think it is a very well done movie although with some extra effort built into it to cause naive girls to cry, but still a very good movie, with very good camera work, acting, costumes and plot.
If you are not one of them snseless DeCaprio hate club members you should definitely see it
I do not see why everybody is so upset about DeCaprio. He is a talented, I would even say one of the most talented young actors of these days and he played well in quite a few movies. I think that his acting in "Titanic" was superb. The only reason I see that he should not star in SW II is that his face is too well known to the public and as long as I understand Lucas doesn't use well known faces ( or at least IMHO he shouldn't ) in his movies. Seeing a well known actor in a movie takes just a little bite out of sense of realism that movie transpires. Otherwise LDC is OK.
OK in my experience these are the ranks for NOS: :) )
:) )
( mind you I have never used Solaris )
For file/print services and user management:
1. Netware 4.11 ( 5 is still too fresh )
2. FreeBSD ( or OpenBSD or NetBSD )
3. Linux
99. NT4 ( I am not going to rank NT 3.51 for it is out of integer bounds
For Internet services:
1. FreeBSD ( sorry, but it IS more stable than Linux )
2. Linux
15. NT4 ( NT 3.x same as above )
35. Netware ( applications are way too fresh and do not support a lot of required things )
For general application services:
1. Linux
2. NT4 ( rather unfortunate, but they do have good application base )
3. FreeBSD ( after all a lot of Linux apps will run on it
99. Netware ( not much application support there... almost none at all )
That's all folks, flame me.
Then it sounds fair. Let's see the results. I hope they got good linux experts. And I hope they will not cheat with hardware. Like take some HW that is known to lose performance under linux.
I see you have certain prejudices about collective mind society. Join us and you will understand. Refuse and you will be destroyed. Resistance is futile. :)