The 650x chip was a good chip, was in a lot of the 8 bit home computers that so many of us cut our teeth on, including the Apple II series, and the Atari 8 bit computers (also a Tramiel story).
For true pedants, the C64 had a MOS 6510, not a 6502. Same ABI, i think it jsut had interconnects for all the extra chips (video, SID audio chip)
For Revolverlution Public Enemy not only had a remix contest, but it was before the album was even released. They had a couple tracks on their website, including the title track Revolverlution. The winner of the remix contest was put on the album. The cool thing, it's really a different track, the guy has a totally different flow than Chuck D., and definitly falls into the "using current song to create a new song" rather than just simple copying (like the labels tend to say about remixes).
I remember reading once that one indicator of a society with a bright future is checking the ratio of designers and engieneers (people who create new things, possibly creating wealth) against the number of lawyers (people who redistribute current wealth) and accountants (people who merely count wealth). Of course, at the time the comparison was between the US and Japan, and while Japan handily won by that criterion, the US economy grew many times more than the Japanese one did in the ensuing 20 years or so. Meh.
Joris just committed the code to replace GNU RCS with our home grown OpenRCS. This is great news for all the folks that have been enjoying GPL licensed code being removed from the tree.
Now everyone flash back to the episode where the half black and half white guys go back to a world that's been destroyed by hatred and still wnat to kick each other's asses. Hard for me to picture it now but i wonder what kind of impact that had in the 60's.
Don't forget the first interracial kiss on TV was Kirk and Uhura. Not to mention all the alien chicks Kirk got (white green or gold, if she's hot he's going to go where no man has gone before.. care to see the Captain's log??). Kirk getting all he can regardless of species may look cheesy today, but in an era where blacks were still being lynched for looking at a white girl this probably had a lot of impact. They brought Checkhov on in the middle of the Cold War, figuring that by the time we got to the stars we'd see each others as people not monsters because they lived on the other side of some arbitrary line.
I was reading bash.org, flipped over to here, saw "NewsForge and Slashdot are both owned by OSTG." and saw "NewsForge and Slashdot both pwn3d you, STFU"
It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration. -- prof.dr.Edsger W.Dijkstra
IMHO Dijkstra is right and you are wrong.
Hmm, i started on a Timex Sinclair 1000. Ithought for a while i was cool, i had the best alpha geek story around me. Then I moved a couple rows over, and of th3 7 other guys around me, 3 other guys had also started with Timex Sinclair 1000s. Not only did that thing run BASIC, but on a machine so limited it didn't even have a tokenizer, you had to enter your program in a weird pre-tokenized form with BASIC keywords single keys on a keyboard when you were in the right mode. Somehow we were able to get past the mental mutilation and move on to other thngs. I mostly program in C, Shell, and Perl, with some code lying around in C++. The other guys around me program Perl and SQL mostly (i feel sorry for the SQL). Most of us MS basic in a variety of forms, on the cheap 650x processor based machines of the 80s (Commodore 64, Apple ][, Atari 800), the age this article is talking about.
Dijkstra's quote is a fun thing to banter around when you want to stop debate on BASIC, but in my experience is very wrong. Getting your head around how a computer works, there is a CPU coordinating things, what a memory address is how a parser works, getting exposed to these things early and cheaply and fun is the most important. The language has importance yes, but the jump from being a passive user to someone who wishes to control the internals of the machine and able to make an internal model of how it works is a much larger jump than going from BASIC to say, C.
Hmm, you seem to have missed a feew things in the news lately....
I truly wonder who would buy this overpriced proprietary machine versus a simple PC? 1) not overpriced, a MacPro can be had for cheaper than a Dell 2) hadware has been more standardized. They've been pretty standard since they dropped NuBus. The OS is no more proprietary than Windows, hell you can even recompile the kernel. 3) Macs are PCs
Just about anyone can learn to program it by reading the documentation. Sigh, those were the days.. I learned 650x machine code (not assembler, didn't ahve one of those) on the C64 from reading the Compute! book. I miss my C64.
I think for me it was knowing i had essentially total control of the machine. I had the Mapping The C64 book, i could learn what every byte did. A kid trying now with Linux has megabytes and megabytes to read.
While many slashdot visitors are not exactly savvy in the culinary arts, I would guess that most of us can use a fork pretty well When i first saw this, i thought of the emacs vs. Xemacs fork.... Are you stating Slashdot users show a lot of utility for Xemacs?
And ODF = free. Technically, ODF is just a file format. The reader and writer can be a cost. In the form of OpenOffice or any other of the F/OSS that can read/write it, it's free.
That said, if they were to convert to OOo, there would be a training cost for both end users and IT. I think, this is the main reason why MS will not release a plug-in. If they do, then there is MUCH less cost in associated to going to OOo. The transition cost is pretty much the only barrier they have right now to prevent moving. ODF already does things that binary word files can't, and the higher end things it's currently lacking are not necessary for the docs that MAss needs to save at this point.
1) there are multiple apps that do read thiis format. 2) it isn't hard for MS to create a converter for this. When they wanted to convert WordPerfect users to Word, they not only created a plug in for multiple WP formats, but had a WP mode within Word. 3) it's not some guy in his basement wrote this. It's an ECMA standard.
MS has long known the power of network effects. In the beginning it would do anything to give away software, just so they'd try it, and establish network effects. In some ways it was like shareware... they'd hope you pay for it (and most did) but the few that didn't they didn't mind much.
Now that they are market dominance, they already have the "network", the hundreds of thousands users that interact though Word. It's very hard for people to break the "network" of Word, and MS relies on that. the only real way is to chip at the edges (very slowly) or have a large agency mandate it. Mass. and Belgium doing this can cause real damage in the long term as a new non-MS network emerges.
Whoever bought the rights from the creditors would then retain the rights. In the current environment where you can patent "flat cylindrical device to affect forward and reverse movement" and sue anyone with a wheel, I don't think the purchaser would release to public domain. Of course, at that point, they obviously couldn't use it to wedge up Linux, so not sure what other use it would have. Probably would have a few lawyers just sit on it, looking for ways to sue others.
My sister just got a new Dell with XP. She calls me up; her IE is hosed, but just her account. I have to use command line ftp client to pull down Firefox, then i get all the cleaners... Spybot S&D, AdAware, AVG ANtivirus. I clean the junk, at least until the kids download new junk, but never get IE working. Weird thing is, just her account, not sure what registry key is fsck'ed.
If we paid these people wages that are 'acceptable' by North American standards, without thinking about what the local income is, then the entire economical balance in the area would be destroyed. It soundsd strange, but somewhat born out by some experience. I remember reading about doctors in India stopping their practices to become medical transcribers. The pay was better.
... over technology that they (nee, Taratala) only... To be pedantic, this is am incorrect use of nee (actually née). Née is french (possibly Latin as well, have no idea about that) for born, and you would use it the other way, say the current name then use née to reference the past name. Usually used for maiden names (e.g. Hillary Clinton, né Rodham). In this case
Tarantela (née SCO)
is more appropriate.
ANd then we have the knights who say "Niiii!!", but that's a whole other ball of wax.
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The 650x chip was a good chip, was in a lot of the 8 bit home computers that so many of us cut our teeth on, including the Apple II series, and the Atari 8 bit computers (also a Tramiel story).
For true pedants, the C64 had a MOS 6510, not a 6502. Same ABI, i think it jsut had interconnects for all the extra chips (video, SID audio chip)
The Alan Parson's Project...
PlaysForSure
The only problem with this, if you don't play, the politicians still play you.
... and actually used the track on the disc.
For Revolverlution Public Enemy not only had a remix contest, but it was before the album was even released. They had a couple tracks on their website, including the title track Revolverlution. The winner of the remix contest was put on the album. The cool thing, it's really a different track, the guy has a totally different flow than Chuck D., and definitly falls into the "using current song to create a new song" rather than just simple copying (like the labels tend to say about remixes).
I remember reading once that one indicator of a society with a bright future is checking the ratio of designers and engieneers (people who create new things, possibly creating wealth) against the number of lawyers (people who redistribute current wealth) and accountants (people who merely count wealth). Of course, at the time the comparison was between the US and Japan, and while Japan handily won by that criterion, the US economy grew many times more than the Japanese one did in the ensuing 20 years or so. Meh.
My license can beat up your license...
Now everyone flash back to the episode where the half black and half white guys go back to a world that's been destroyed by hatred and still wnat to kick each other's asses. Hard for me to picture it now but i wonder what kind of impact that had in the 60's.
Don't forget the first interracial kiss on TV was Kirk and Uhura. Not to mention all the alien chicks Kirk got (white green or gold, if she's hot he's going to go where no man has gone before.. care to see the Captain's log??). Kirk getting all he can regardless of species may look cheesy today, but in an era where blacks were still being lynched for looking at a white girl this probably had a lot of impact. They brought Checkhov on in the middle of the Cold War, figuring that by the time we got to the stars we'd see each others as people not monsters because they lived on the other side of some arbitrary line.
I was reading bash.org, flipped over to here, saw "NewsForge and Slashdot are both owned by OSTG." and saw "NewsForge and Slashdot both pwn3d you, STFU"
I need a life.
IMHO Dijkstra is right and you are wrong.
Hmm, i started on a Timex Sinclair 1000. Ithought for a while i was cool, i had the best alpha geek story around me. Then I moved a couple rows over, and of th3 7 other guys around me, 3 other guys had also started with Timex Sinclair 1000s. Not only did that thing run BASIC, but on a machine so limited it didn't even have a tokenizer, you had to enter your program in a weird pre-tokenized form with BASIC keywords single keys on a keyboard when you were in the right mode. Somehow we were able to get past the mental mutilation and move on to other thngs. I mostly program in C, Shell, and Perl, with some code lying around in C++. The other guys around me program Perl and SQL mostly (i feel sorry for the SQL).
Most of us MS basic in a variety of forms, on the cheap 650x processor based machines of the 80s (Commodore 64, Apple ][, Atari 800), the age this article is talking about.
Dijkstra's quote is a fun thing to banter around when you want to stop debate on BASIC, but in my experience is very wrong. Getting your head around how a computer works, there is a CPU coordinating things, what a memory address is how a parser works, getting exposed to these things early and cheaply and fun is the most important. The language has importance yes, but the jump from being a passive user to someone who wishes to control the internals of the machine and able to make an internal model of how it works is a much larger jump than going from BASIC to say, C.
My mother is a fish.
Thank you Vardaman. Wait, what are you doing with that drill.....
Hmm, you seem to have missed a feew things in the news lately....
I truly wonder who would buy this overpriced proprietary machine versus a simple PC?
1) not overpriced, a MacPro can be had for cheaper than a Dell
2) hadware has been more standardized. They've been pretty standard since they dropped NuBus. The OS is no more proprietary than Windows, hell you can even recompile the kernel.
3) Macs are PCs
Just about anyone can learn to program it by reading the documentation.
Sigh, those were the days.. I learned 650x machine code (not assembler, didn't ahve one of those) on the C64 from reading the Compute! book. I miss my C64.
I think for me it was knowing i had essentially total control of the machine. I had the Mapping The C64 book, i could learn what every byte did. A kid trying now with Linux has megabytes and megabytes to read.
While many slashdot visitors are not exactly savvy in the culinary arts, I would guess that most of us can use a fork pretty well
When i first saw this, i thought of the emacs vs. Xemacs fork.... Are you stating Slashdot users show a lot of utility for Xemacs?
"For we are all the Pornhound, the Manhunter, the Shopper, the Obsessive, the Omnivore, the Newbie, and the Basketcase, sincerely, the Breakfast Club"
Probably most people on this board are too young to remember anyway....
And ODF = free.
Technically, ODF is just a file format. The reader and writer can be a cost. In the form of OpenOffice or any other of the F/OSS that can read/write it, it's free.
That said, if they were to convert to OOo, there would be a training cost for both end users and IT. I think, this is the main reason why MS will not release a plug-in. If they do, then there is MUCH less cost in associated to going to OOo. The transition cost is pretty much the only barrier they have right now to prevent moving. ODF already does things that binary word files can't, and the higher end things it's currently lacking are not necessary for the docs that MAss needs to save at this point.
Probably a troll but...
1) there are multiple apps that do read thiis format.
2) it isn't hard for MS to create a converter for this. When they wanted to convert WordPerfect users to Word, they not only created a plug in for multiple WP formats, but had a WP mode within Word.
3) it's not some guy in his basement wrote this. It's an ECMA standard.
MS has long known the power of network effects. In the beginning it would do anything to give away software, just so they'd try it, and establish network effects. In some ways it was like shareware... they'd hope you pay for it (and most did) but the few that didn't they didn't mind much.
Now that they are market dominance, they already have the "network", the hundreds of thousands users that interact though Word. It's very hard for people to break the "network" of Word, and MS relies on that. the only real way is to chip at the edges (very slowly) or have a large agency mandate it. Mass. and Belgium doing this can cause real damage in the long term as a new non-MS network emerges.
Whoever bought the rights from the creditors would then retain the rights. In the current environment where you can patent "flat cylindrical device to affect forward and reverse movement" and sue anyone with a wheel, I don't think the purchaser would release to public domain. Of course, at that point, they obviously couldn't use it to wedge up Linux, so not sure what other use it would have. Probably would have a few lawyers just sit on it, looking for ways to sue others.
Don't chose 'Hi Dr. Nick' budget solution either.
Dial 1-800-DOCTORB, dial the last B for Bargain!!!!!
Jokes aside... i used command line ftp.
My sister just got a new Dell with XP. She calls me up; her IE is hosed, but just her account. I have to use command line ftp client to pull down Firefox, then i get all the cleaners... Spybot S&D, AdAware, AVG ANtivirus. I clean the junk, at least until the kids download new junk, but never get IE working. Weird thing is, just her account, not sure what registry key is fsck'ed.
Something tells me Stallman will not like these initals used for a DRM scheme....
If we paid these people wages that are 'acceptable' by North American standards, without thinking about what the local income is, then the entire economical balance in the area would be destroyed.
It soundsd strange, but somewhat born out by some experience. I remember reading about doctors in India stopping their practices to become medical transcribers. The pay was better.
... over technology that they (nee, Taratala) only ...
To be pedantic, this is am incorrect use of nee (actually née). Née is french (possibly Latin as well, have no idea about that) for born, and you would use it the other way, say the current name then use née to reference the past name. Usually used for maiden names (e.g. Hillary Clinton, né Rodham). In this case
Tarantela (née SCO)
is more appropriate.
ANd then we have the knights who say "Niiii!!", but that's a whole other ball of wax.
You might as well claim it.. from legend, few Slashdot readers will even know what it means much less get a chance to use it...
Why they don't just rename the company "Vapor', will save a lot of blog discussions....