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SCO to Unix developers, We want you back
NoGuffCheck writes "CRN is reporting that Darl McBride is looking to get Unix developers back onboard with cash incentives for completing training in SCO's new mobile application kit; EdgeBuilder. It doesn't stop there; there's a 12-cylinder BMW or $100,000 dollars for the development of the best wireless application."
* All developers are required to pay their $699 SCO licensing fees at the door.
BWA HA HAHA
No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
This is such a waste of their time. Do they really think anyone is going to take them seriously? Sure, a few misguided folks might, but, as far as I know, SCO's reputation is now squat in the tech industry. Besides, the incentives SCO offers probably won't be enough to pay off the lawsuits that SCO will file against you before you've finished your app.
Perhaps they should create a contest for "most creative way to destroy SCO" or something like that instead. It'd be much more fun. (Although seeing who actually enters this contest might be interesting.)
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"developer, developers, developers..."
use the Ballmer mantra, Darl. you have to sweat like a pig to convince your audience...
I don't feel like it...
"SCO has gone through some rocky times. It's been a real roller coast ride the last few years," McBride said. But SCO is now focused on making mobile business transactions easier to implement. Ring tones for cell phones has become a $1 billion market, McBride noted.
So they go from something meaningful to Ring Tones? That's one crazy roller coaster.
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It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
They've probably sewn CD-ROMS full of source code in to the headliner of the car. If they're going to trial in 2007 they're going to need to produce some evidence pretty sharpish.
RTFA. The article says 10 cylinders -- not 12. That's probably the svelte M5.
You can almost buy the company with that nowadays can't you?
Bite me!
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
A pox on any and all who would sign on to duh-arl's 2-bit shakedown fart of a company.
litigious bastards
Go fuck yourself.
No, it's a clone of Unix, and it is no longer designed only for Intel chips. It was originally designed just for the 386, but now runs on anything, including your toaster.
What the hell is a "biztone"?! Is it some sort of ringtone for your cell phone where instead of ringing it goes, "Yeah, um, about those TPS reports..."?
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...and then give most of the money to the FOSS community. In fact, why not use that community to fund itself using this bounty?
-Tim Louden
It is inevitable that there will be a shareholder lawsuit as SCO makes its final circles around the drain before bankruptcy or liquidation. Darth Darl needs to make it look like he made his best effort at keeping the company afloat to have a chance of keeping all of his money.
I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
Quick, everyone send them the programer you hate working with most .... this should improve morale appropriately for most companies out there
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
This is why their former customers are not going to be future customers, unless they're badly locked in on some 3rd party software. And non-customers will never become customers. Who wants to do business with somebody who'll sue you for moving to a competitor's product? It's like getting divorced from a gold-digger.
This is not my sandwich.
Make it a 2007 Shelby Cobra GT500 and you might spark my interest. Oh, wait, I already make way more than enough to buy one myself. Never mind, Duhrl.
How about no. You piss off the whole community and then beg us for help. Bah, i'll do it, just make me CEO.
(so I can fold the company)
Maybe he should check to see if his lawyers are any good at writing code.
yes, please
I don't feel like it...
You need more cylinders to pull the extra dead weight
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
Sounds like a versio of the prisoners dilemma http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/prisoner-dilemma /
Except in theis case it's developers avoiding working for SCO. But the less who do, the better the chances for someone else to get the prize. So there's an incentive to break ranks. Maybe be the one and only developer.
Think of it as a lottery with your integrity against winning a fast car.
The world is made by those who show up for the job.
Hmmm... on a completely cough random topic, I think I might switch from MySQL to Postgres.
HP, I could care less about (their computers are cheap, and their calculators are nothing like they used to be), but I thought that MySQL had a decent set of morals. The fact that they could maintain enterprise support while still offering an open-source version is an indication of that. (Although I believe some of the MySQL products are available only to enterprise customers, which is evil.)
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While it's kind of cheap to suggest tags for stories I would like to suggest a few: fuckoff and no. The SCO people may never see them, but it just feels so good.
What if the entire Universe were a chrooted environment with everything symlinked from the host?
100,000 dollars would certainly be nice, but I think the potential loss of my immortal soul is the dealbreaker for me.
"12 cylinder BMW" as an incentive. He wants his appli written by salesMEN?
Will pay $200,000 or give the car of your choice, so long as it doesn't exceed $200,000, for someone to give the CEO of SCO a good stiff kick to the nuts.
"Snatching defeat from the mouth of victory on a daily basis."
Sure sure, use their products to build your applications, and then they will give you your new shiny BMW and 100,000 bucks. And then they'll sue you for all your money and the BMW. This is just a trick, they want customers with money, so they can sue them. How do they actually get customers with money? Give them the money!
I think they need a reality check: perpetual motion is not possible in this universe.
Maybe this is just money laundering, they give you the money, write it off as expense. Then pay their lawyers by letting them to sue the people with the money and the BMWs.
They must be avoiding taxes with this somehow!
You can't handle the truth.
"there's a 12 cylinder BMW or $100,000 dollars for the development of the best wireless application." Aren't wires a hardware issue?
I'm confused by this post. I just have to ask you to clarify...
Are you saying that MySQL is immoral/evil because they *gasp* charge for some things they invest time and money to develop, or is my sarcasm meter broken?
120 characters for a sig? That's bloody useless.
Could be the M6
And the M6 is closer to the alternative $100,000 prize option. (Article says 10-cyl. BMW or $100,000)
The Statue of Liberty is America's lawn jockey.
I mean all you need to attract developers to use a framework is to convince them that using it is more fun and productive than using other frameworks.
I'm going to bet on SCO making a comeback here... why? Darl McBride, for all his other faults, could sell popsicles to eskimos. He SPEAKS THE LANGUAGE OF BUSINESS. Most of you "coder" types won't understand this, but Darl is a damn good businessman.
Darl knows how to incent people (another beemer in my collection or 100K? You bet!).
You gotta give 'em credit. It looks like SCO is finally trying to produce something more substantial than subpoenas.
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Since there are businesses out there still using SCO's products, there will be a market for professionals specifically trained and qualified to administer those products (even if only long enough to migrate to something else).
Those darn CRN folks, always leaving parts of the quotes out. Here's a reprint, I put Darl's original comments missing from the report in '[]'.
/dev/null.
"During the last 25 years, SCO has been committed to [destroying the reputability of] the Unix platform and continues to reaffirm its commitment [to make fools of ourselves while the rest of the world actually accomplishes something useful]," Darl McBride, SCO president, said in a teleconference Tuesday morning.
I applaud him for finally admitting what his company has been doing. Of course, he can shove his BMWs up his
There's a 68.71% chance you're right.
It's not 1994 anymore. Nobody uses UnixWare or OpenServer. Those that do, probably want out as fast as possible. Your products are obsolete: Your hardware support sucks. Standards implementation sucks. Didn't you just get USB support in UnixWare a couple of years ago? Nobody is even worrying about whether or not their software will compile on your operating systems these days. You've alienated the entire Unix market systematically.
You're DEAD. Get over it. File chapter 11 and liquidate those assets already.
hello dear sirs my name is jamesh i are india (bihar) can u guide me install red had linux 9?
WEIRD how the 2 extra cylinders got there...
tfa says 10...
I can't beleive McBride is still the CEO of SCO.
The remaining SCO stockholders must be dumbasses.
People like this guy never stop trying to get over on other people. He deserves all the egg on his face he gets. You'd be no less than a fool to buy into this crap.
and they can't wait for their apps to make the move to Linux. One customer - and this is an end user - is talking openly about the "end of SCO". Another moved to an application running on an IBM i5 (the modern version of the AS400). If there is any cost involved to an upgrade or a fix, SCO customers often just move on to another platform. There is now an entire mini-industry involved in converting data on SCO servers to some other server.
Besides, even the latest versions of SCO/unix seriously suck. We swapped out a tape drive in one and it took days to get it running and required lots of phone time. Until I started on this project I had forgotten how difficult Linux was in 1993; that's where SCO is now.
Plus no bash shell. No up-arrow command scrolling. Arggh!
No one ever had to evacuate a city because the solar panels broke!
"Roller coast ride" implies movement both up and down. So I don't think that the term applies to SCO. "Falling like a rock" is the term I had in mind.
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Now that the stock price is in free fall, He needs to have something to show that he and his cronies were not out to use SCO stock "Boiler Room" style (http://imdb.com/title/tt0181984/) when the stockholders sue. This way, he'll be able to say: "We tried to make a go at it and nobody wanted to develop for our platform...".
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... Darl McBride is looking to get Unix developers back onboard with cash incentives...
Wow. When you have to pay a community reknowned for volunteerism and hacker fascination, that's just profoundly sad.
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The winner of the bmw may notice that no matter how many times he washes it... it just won't come clean.
I have my laptop pretty far forward, almost wobbling on my knees. The result is no overheated knackersack, instead I get back ache from leaning over the laptop ...
I was kinda hoping they'd offer SCO Linux Licenses as the top prize. On the other hand, with $100K, you can buy 143 of them, at $699.00 each!!!
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I think the previous poster is trying to say that MySQL should know better than to associate with the likes of SCO.
HP, I could care less about (their computers are cheap, and their calculators are nothing like they used to be), but I thought that MySQL had a decent set of morals. The fact that they could maintain enterprise support while still offering an open-source version is an indication of that.
I'm confused by this post. I just have to ask you to clarify...
Are you saying that MySQL is immoral/evil because they *gasp* charge for some things they invest time and money to develop, or is my sarcasm meter broken?
No, I think he means mysql is evil because they are sponsoring SCO's disgusting attempt to buy their way out of the history books and back into mainstream corporate and technology circles. I happen to agree...MySQL is more evil than companies like HP et.al. for the very reason he cited: they are in the free software community, they know the issues, and they certainly cannot be ignorant of how Darl McBride and SCO tried to steal GNU/Linux from its creators (yes, steal, because if McBride et.al. had succeeded in their fraud, the creators of the Linux kernel, and perhaps the wider GNU community, would have been denied the right to legally use their own creations), and they've chosen to sponsor this despite that knowledge. At least a big company like HP may not have followed this (all the SCO bruhaha could be beneath their radar).
I agree that sponsoring an evil knowing its full implications is an act of greater maliciousness than sponsoring an evil in ignorance of its full implications, and MySQL certainly appears to fall in the former category.
It's a pity...I actually like their product. Time to give postgres a gander I suppose.
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I was almost intrigued enough to head over to SCO's site just to see what "biztones" are, but then I realized I don't have all afternoon to scrub my browser clean.
Okay, sure, I"m with you so far....
That (IIRC) will make SCO's OS de facto public domain.
That would be nice, but it's extremely unlikely. Most likely the OS will just become abandonware. For an example, look at what happened to BeOS when Be, Inc. when under. The BeOS codebase is still very much non-open-source, and was bought by Palm, who hasn't made it available to anyone.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
Dear SCO:
We don't like you. You don't play well with the other children on the playground. We think you're mean and we're not going to let you play dodgeball with us at recess.
Besides that, your products are pretty awful. The only redeeming quality of Caldera Linux was that it was based on RedHat. That made it really easy to completely dump your distribution and go to RedHat when you guys got out of the Linux game. Your OpenServer product is the the most god awful piece of crap ever sold. It's so painful to work on that I'd rather just gouge out my eyes with a spoon.
Please just go away.
----- obSig
First, my major point was that any company that sponsors SCO or their activities is evil.
Second, what I was saying is that, given that MySQL's business model involves, for the most part, giving away software and selling support, and given that they've gotten a lot of help from open-source developers, I think it would be better and nicer if they gave away all of their software, and charged for support, just like they do with the MySQL database itself. I would wager that the higher-end enterprise stuff is pretty complex to configure, and most companies would be happy to pay for support instead of wandering around trying to figure it out themselves.
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hmmm any others?
"Waste not one watt!" - CZ
Whoever bought the rights from the creditors would then retain the rights. In the current environment where you can patent "flat cylindrical device to affect forward and reverse movement" and sue anyone with a wheel, I don't think the purchaser would release to public domain. Of course, at that point, they obviously couldn't use it to wedge up Linux, so not sure what other use it would have. Probably would have a few lawyers just sit on it, looking for ways to sue others.
I mean if I am going to sell my soul
:)
I at least want more than this shit you offer. BMW?!?!?!?!
My soul is at least worth three Type 41 Royale!!!!!
Alas, negotiating with the Devil, is to yourself between a rock and a hard place. No matter what you get, the reputation (alone) of the Devil kills you anyway.
Why not increase your offer by giving me the ultimate in security, a cellophane blow-up bulletproof vest or a servant robot developed by your former MS backers
Of course, I am joking, NOT!
McBride said the case against IBM "is scheduled to come to trial in early 2007. We continue to feel we have a strong case and we're looking forward to our day in court. But while the legal teams have been off litigating, the business team has been busy innovating.">
They have a case. When did this happen?
They are innovative? When did this happen?
Why am I always the last one to hear about this stuff?
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The article clearly states it's a 10-cylinder bimmer, not a V12
http://www.sco.com/products/mysql/
This is disgusting.
Mysql AB should be ashamed of themselves for this blatant support of an OSS attacker.
Postgresql
+better ANSI compliance
+ACID
+not a toy database
+doesn't support SCO finances
Make your move today!
My former CIO would definitely go for a "biztone". Basically he already had them except that they were text messages that would be paged to some of us in the department. Various (quasi-)informative messages such as "Day End processing completed", "payroll processing completed" and "interface XYZ has failed", "interface XYZ restarted automatically". Stupid shit like that. He'd probably assign them all a separate "biztone" or something.
Of course we had fun with it. We made up our own messages such as "lunchtime", "time to go home". He was such a PHB. I'm sure other PHBes would like biztones as well.
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I'm a Windows _EXPERT_!!!!
I suppose I could develop an app on either my Red Hat or Suse boxes, then port it over to SCO. But you know, I'll just bet I'd have to pay about $700 for that "privilege."
Then I'd submit it... I'll bet buried in the "contest" rules somewhere is a clause about their getting rights to use or expand on any or all submissions. So my IP would essentially become theirs.
The only even remotely "up" side of this is that I'll bet my app would stand a fair chance of winning just 'cause there'll be so few entries.
On second thought, maybe I'll just go buy $695 worth of lottery tickets and a six pack...
--- Just another Code-Monkey
I don't believe that this is going to work...
FUCK YOU!
First prize... is a 12 cylinder BMW
Second prize... is a hundred thousand dollars
Third prize... we steal your code
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is like winning the L. Ron Hubbard "Writers of the Future" prize.
Does a young programmer really want to taint his entire career with the stink of Darl McBride hanging around his neck?
SCO is now concentrating on allowing businesses to create "biztones for quick distribution of business information, tied to business applications.
What is their core business again?! So the "lawsuit" business model didn't work, now they're jumping on the ringtone bandwagon? Sheesh, Daryl, cut to the chase and launch sco.xxx!
The world won't end in darkness, it'll end in family fun, with Coca-cola clouds behind a Big Mac sun.
How come no one asked if the toolkit will run on any other version of *nix?
To cool, if the only part of SCO left was the toolkit on linux.
It's actually a BMW M5, which has got a V10 engine. The article summary is wrong.
Quality, performance, value; you get only two, and you don't always get to pick.
It's a pity...I actually like their product. Time to give postgres a gander I suppose.
Voting with your wallet, eh?
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cowboy love has been ok. Darl loves you baby. He's the rootinest tootinest. EVERYBODY SINGALONG!!!! Darl can't get along little dogey, he can't even get one that's small, He can't get a long little dogey, he can't get a dogey at all....
(Apologies to Yosemite Sam)
I would like to hereby announce that I am porting my baby, NetworkManager, to SCO in order to reap the $100,000 offer. We will easily make "best wireless application."
No, I think he means mysql is evil because they are sponsoring SCO's disgusting attempt to buy their way out
iirc, it was SCO who paid mysql money for them to support SCO users, not the other way around.
Step 1: drop silly lawsuits
Step 2: apologize
Step 3: Entire executive team and anyone else who supported the lawsuits resign and disgourge yourself from any lawsuit-related profits, such as profits from short-selling.
Do that, and I'll consider helping them out. Until then, they are blackballed.
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The porcupine has pricks on the outside.
Thank you! I'm here all week! Tip your waitress! Help her back up!
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Then there's the problem of ethics, which would also end up preventing me from participating in this.
Yeah... Just die already SCO.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
Can somebody who has actually used either UnixWare or OpenServer say if they have any redeeming qualities at all? From what I've read, they are actually the least capable of the modern unixes or unix-clones, even on x86(except perhaps for minix - which was just a teaching project anyway). Is there any reason why anybody would choose UnixWare or OpenServer for a new deployment?
It sounds like they think they have is a niffty middle-ware stack for cellphones and they want to use that as a hook for selling their Unix stuff. But if their middle-ware stack is so niffty that it would attract developers, why not port it to other systems to widen the audience and build a new business on that? That was the strategy taken by 'old SCO' aka Tarantella before they unloaded unix on Caldera.
Can anybody comment (intelligently) on their middleware?
"SCO is offering cash incentives for developers to attend its upcoming user group conference in Las Vegas in August... attendees completing it will be given US$1000."
If all you have to do is show up (no test at the end), maybe it'd be a good way to help the homeless in Vegas. Maybe SCO could do something good for a change.
13) anything worth doing is worth doing for money;
189) let others keep their reputation, keep their money.
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Hey, what's the [sic] for?
Anyway, no, I haven't worked with any servers. I'm just speaking from what I've seen of their laptops. They always seem a little clunky, and I've seen a few hardware problems. Maybe it's more that it offends my design sense than that they're actually fragile, but I dunno...
The calculators, though, really are worse than they used to be. They're much more plastic and much less metal, and the user interface has been steadily cruftified without anyone taking a step back and reorganizing it so that it acts more like a graphing calculator and less like a scientific calculator with a pixel-addressable screen.
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So, you're giving credit for the Alpha to HP? Hmmm, that might get some people in Shrewbury miffed.
OpenServer (at least v5.0.5 which I have) is weird. It's better documented than Linux is and can ever hope to be - the docs are more consistent, more accurate, more complete, and better written. It's also incredibly stable in most ways - but with a few REALLY annoying quirks. As it's also stable in the same way a fossil is (What, buy and upgrade? Get bent), that's frustrating. It also has some incredibly annoying limitations, a set of developer tools so bad they boggle the mind (and the alternatives aren't great either - haven't got Skunkware's gcc WORKING yet), and some basic services we're used to just being there ... well ... aren't. Oh, and printing on SCO is one of the worst messes I've ever had the misfortune to work with - it makes Linux printing look like heaven, and it's pretty awful too. If you now feel the need to scour your eyes with steel wool, you're not alone.
... and there's always Solaris as an alternative.
... but with a free Solaris, they're just doomed. RHEL and so on help a fair bit with regards to stability in Linux too - something which also doesn't help SCO in the slightest.
I maintain an OpenServer box for work only because of a legacy app that requires it. Well, strictly, the app requires Microsoft Xenix to run - it's from 1983 (!!) - but SCO OpenServer's XENIX kernel personality does the trick with a few quirks. OpenServer at least supports PCI, >16MB RAM, and >512MB disks, unlike XENIX. (OpenServer 5.0.5 actually supports up to 2TB disks/arrays, >137GB ATA disks, etc. Not bad for an OS from 1995). If it weren't for that need - which Linux can't satisfy even with the defunct ibcs project - I'd be rid of OpenServer in an instant. Linux 2.6 isn't as stable as I'd like, but that's worth it
I can't imagine anybody buying OpenServer now. Its only purpose is legacy support. Unixware doesn't even have that. Before Sun released Solaris for free, they had a tiny sliver of hope from people who need more stability than Linux provides
Even if their technology wasn't obsolete crap, who on earth would buy from a company that sues its own customers? Oh, wait, I use Microsoft software at work and I'm well aware of its involvement in the BSA & BSAA so that's no argument at all... but the obsolete crap point holds.
I hope we see some mention of this illustrious event in a future slashback posting ...
Bite our wide, geeky, asses!
SCO to Unix Developers: Yeah, well, we're going to have our own conference. With giveaways! And hookers! In fact, forget the giveaways!
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It really sounds like SCO is ***BEGGING*** developers to come back, all is well, choke! gurgle!! Gasp!!! just so they have something to put out in a phone call and attract new investors who are ignorant of the last 5 years. Imagine being able to say developer interest rose 250% from the same quarter last year, and the company has a bright shiny future.
I would consider developing for SCOX *Nix after Darl says he's leaving and only when he follows through on THAT promise.
Israeli intelligence has come up with some interesting applications for cellphones. Is that wireless enough?
Earth to SCO....
PTHTHTHTHTHTHthththththththt !!!
Hope you scrotes choke on it and DIE
You guys give ASSHOLES a bad name
As they say on Fark:
DIAF!
No matter where you go... there you are.
Let's say you start distributing your old BeOS install disks. The company which owns the IP on BeOS can sue you, but by showing that the product is no longer commercially available, you should be able to avoid both criminal and civil penalties.
Yes, the code is out of your reach, but you can redistribute BeOS with relative impugnity.
Then again, IANAL. It's quite possible you could be sued back to the stone age.
It's Shrewsbury, actually. Although I doubt there's anyone there anymore to get offended. I don't know what's in Digital's old building, but they're long gone from that area, as are most of the old Boston-based minicomputer companies. (Data General, Prime...so many others.)
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I'm betting you won't regret the move. PostgreSQL kicks some very serious ass these days.
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iirc, it was SCO who paid mysql money for them to support SCO users, not the other way around.
Right. I went back and read TFA, and Mysql is NOT sponsoring this. Neither is HP. They are offering Mysql and HP "training," and smearing those company's names in the eyes of those who don't read carefully enough (the poster I replied to, and myself to name two).
I stand corrected: Again, MYSQL and HP are NOT Sponsors of SCO's laughable ploy, and probably have nothing whatsoever (or as little as possible) to do with SCO.
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I've called for support on their printers...and they ended up on my "do not buy" list.
... well, I still buy replacement ink-jet cartridges with their brand on it. Until I chose my next printer. After that they are likely to be totally OFF my purchase list. And it's their technical support that made that final difference...but it was decreasing quality that got them moved NEAR to the bottom.
Yes, it was an end-user printer. So? I rate a company based first on my experiences with it, then on reports from other people. That inevitably means that if their consumer products are shoddy, I will consider the company a manufacturer of shoddy goods. And HP isn't quite there...the printer is cheap, but not shoddy. Their technical support, however, is shoddy.
I don't expect the kind of quality from a commercial product that I expect from a professional level product, but if a company cheats one set of users, then the company is a cheat and cannot be trusted with a more expensive purchase. It's true that some companies beleive in only cheating the mass-market customers...or at least that there are voices that proclaim so. (But voices are cheap, and astroturfing has been with us for a long time, and I don't know WHO wrote the post I'm replying to.)
OTOH, HP *used* to make quality merchandise. When it did so, it advertised the fact. I still remember their ad about the HP-51 (I think it was) calculator that fell off the hood of a jeep in Alaska, and was buried in the road all winter, chewed up by a snow-plow the next summer, and still worked. Been a long time since I've seen one of those ads.
I remember the disk drive company (not HP) back when auto-parking heads first came out that noted at the show that the drive they were running from had fallen down two flights of stairs onto a concrete loading deck while they were unpacking the exhibit. (Well, that's not remarkable anymore, but at the time it was startling.)
Computers have, in general, become more durable. HP seems to have been defying the trend. Perhaps their very expensive models are better...but I prefer to get to know a company through inexpensive purchases. If they work out, then I move them up the purchase pyramid. I rarely buy something expensive from a company as my first deal with them. HP has been moving DOWN the pyramid. They used to be near the top. Now
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Next killer mobile application - a realtime SCOX stock ticker and "days to covers shorts" display.
OK. That was lame, unlike your comment. I would have given you a point if I had any right now.
Yeah, but SCO doesn't need any of that stuff...
I on the other hand would propose to ram a wireless, internet-controlled
"seven foot asbestos filled, napalm coated broken Galiano bottle covered with sandpaper, spikes, barbs, hooks, old rusty razor blades, used syringes, electrically charged copper coils, anonymous pubic hair, and curare that's playing Amazing Grace like a barbershop quartet with feelin' and Boston Pops' orchestral accompanyment using the Vienna Boys Choir to keep time, so the bunch of line backers ramming it in and playing with the dials, buttons, keyes, joy stick, knobs, mouse and conducting baton that all adjusts the intensity, depth, rate, length and HARDNESS can push in proper rhythm while moving through a temporal loop putting it all through eternity, then back to the beginning to start again
up Darrel McBride's ass, and also the respective asses of all the executive assholes at SCO-- and their lawyers-- TWICE... with FEELING
(** credits to "elbows" mailing list many CPU cycles ago...)
One finger will suffice. OK, two if you're British.
-----Chaz
One could also say that MySQL is supporting their customers who may not have a choice of platform. If I understand correctly, MySQL was supported on SCO and than it wasn't for a time and now it is. I doubt all administrators of SCO systems drink the Kool-Aid SCO offers and would love to switch platforms but cannot due to money, personel, or software that would need to be ported. Sometimes transitions start in phases and running MySQL on SCO might be the start (or an intermediate step) of proving that the existing system can be moved to another platform. I applaud MySQL AB for sticking by customers who are in a less than appealing situation. Someday those administrators or DBAs may find themselves in different jobs and they will probably be more likely to choose MySQL AB products if those products aren't already in place. Additionally if these people choose MySQL sometime back, having the support from MySQL must have been a relief for a number of reasons.
I don't believe users should have to suffer for someone elses mistakes but the big point here, to me, is that MySQL AB is supporting its users and isn't that what we want from any company or source of our choice of tools?
You can take your incentives, your cash, and your BMW, and go die in a fire.
The space unintentionally left unblank.
Time to give postgres a gander I suppose.
i've been using it for nearly 2 years... i don't thin it will disappoint. the various mailing lists are very useful.
good luck.
SCO's stocks are about worthless, the company is trying to sue their way to a profit, just about everyone under the sun is abandoning UNIX in the buisness world, and the company is being run into the ground. So how are they going to pay these folks that are desperate enough to sign on? And for the folks who do sign on will other companies be able to hire you after you sign the Non-compete agreement? So developers just how are they going to pay you and once they do how will they repay you for your work?
SCO is a company I would never join if i had the skill. Plenty of others out there working on the next version of windows drivers and software to keep you employed and there are Linux companies looking for skilled workers too.
I agree that the calculators have gotten much worse.
I would partially disagree, however, about the printers... I have had an hp LaserJet 1320 for a while, and I like it so far. (That's a link to a review on my web site.) Their tech support was also very nice, at least the one time I needed to talk to them. I can't speak for the inkjets, as I religiously avoid recommending inkjets to people (like my dad, who bought the 1320), because they eat cartridges.
ttuttle is a rankmaniac
Where does mcBride get off? All the innovative programmers will not touch SCO. I'm not a programming whore. SCO's point was made. They lost market share due to an Open Source operating system and decided to sue. Idiots.
So SCO go ahead, invest in creating your mobile tool whatever, you will just be losing $$$ since no one want's to use it.
After everything they've done to shit on open source, they have the balls to announce this? Unbelievable. And if anyone here participates in this then you should never speak about open source again. Nor should you ever bitch about anything MS does, because participating in this would be the biggest sellout of all time.
My sig of choice is Marlboro
I have already replaced you with a small Perl script. Get lost.
They must have been very high when they came up with this.
The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer. - Edward R. Murrow
Me, I'd worry that they'd hand you a cashier's check for $2,000,000 and ask you to send the change back to their new corporate office in Lagos.
Strike while the irony is hot! -- The Freethinker
It is more like the Seinfeld episode The Smelly Car
"The strong body odor of a valet is left in Jerry's car. Jerry is forced to try to sell the car, because the odor has taken a life of its own and permeated everything. George is turned by Susan's new outlook on life. Susan's friend is swayed to heterosexuality by Kramer, though later turned back off by a whiff of a jacket that Kramer borrowed from Jerry. When the car can't be sold, Jerry winds up leaving it and the keys out on the street."
IIRC, it was a BMW.
I wonder if that's Darl's personal car that he's giving away. That shows how desparate he is.
01/20/09
two re-hired SCO developers telnet to the SCO server after a night in the basement.
/bin/wall to echo your chat to all the terminals.
arroot: so...
SCOdev: what?
arroot: how 'bout scheduling a grep job to see if there is any SCO IP in Linux?
SCOdev: are you crazy? what if the server is logging and the resource throttle triggers an alarm to the CEO?
arroot: but I love you so much.
SCOdev: it's too risky.
arroot: pleeeeease?
*login*
IBMdev: SEC said it's "ok" to give the AIX repository a grep job, or SEC will come down to perform a grep job, or I can do it. But for Gates' sakes don't use
I am the nightmare of nightmares.
And from the article:
So either the poster or SCO itself isn't firing on all cylinders?
LOAD "SIG",8,1
LOADING...
READY.
RUN
I still have SCO on 5 1/4" disks. Now if I can only find my 5 1/4" drive...
With the level of trust that SCO has, I'm guessing the entries will be thin on the ground.
That should make it MUCH easier to scoop that top prize. I already know what I'm going to build...
A wireless solution for filing frivilous lawsuits and releasing bullshit 'press releases' to artificially prop up a failing company... I'm onto a winner here, I just know it!
How so are they evil? Their giving you access to an enterprise quality database server with no catches apart from it is free for non-commercial use. And your bitching about then not giving you access to everything they create. Follow the open source trend. YOu have the source code, Read it and write what you need for yourself.
Ofcourse if you had paid for the enterprise version the instalation would probably be mission crirical and therefore you would have access to such tools.
Doesn't Darl have a brother on the legal team? Isn't money going from SCO to the legal team? Does Darl have a cousin who can write code? Who will judge what the "best" application is?
If you look around the table and can't spot the mark, it's you.
If Slashdot were chemistry it would look like this:Cadaverine
of the SCO conference... see http://www.caldera.com/2006forum/index_flash.html and click on 'Sponsors'. So at the very least, MySQL AB is sponsoring SCO's conference
Quote from TFA:
> To draw Unix developers back into its embrace, SCO is offering cash incentives for
> developers to attend its upcoming user group conference in Las Vegas in August.
Quote from promotional materials for the above user group conference:
> SCO and MySQL AB have teamed to create the ideal applications platform SMB and
> replicated/branch enterprise computing environments. With SCO and MySQL, you gain the
> competitive advantages offered by both open standards and open source.
MySQL AB is listed as a 'Gold' sponsor and the preceding is the copy for that placement.
Remember that what's inside of you doesn't matter because nobody can see it.
Woulda been better if you'd said goose
Uh, it's kind of creepy thinking how this might be "informative"
And I do mean ANYTHING. Even a goatse redirect got modded up as informative once. It was germaine to the discussion (redirecting or phishing or something like that), and it was obvious what it was. No attempt to trick anyone.
Darl -
Hi, its Paul. You don't remember me because you weren't associated with SCO at the time, but I was an SCO developer and beta tester 'back in the day'. I ran a public access SCO UNIX system in Philadelphia. I (helped) run the UNIX SIG on CompuServe and converted a bunch of applications so they ran on SCO platforms. On the commercial side, SCO UNIX ran construction management and engineering procurement software for a $500MM project (it no longer runs on SCO).
Not any more, Darl. That ship has sailed. I'm a 50 year old, bald, bearded engineer and I'm mad as hell at you Darl. I will do anything in my power to make sure you fail. I grep'ed through old source code just to find prior art (and I still have source from 1984).
I'm not alone Darl. We are the decision makers now. Money and cars don't cut it. Your goin' down, Darl, and the harder the better.
Your pal,
Paul
The winner, 12 year old prodigy Seth Hartstone announced, "After running several statistical projections, I determined the odds that SCO or its remianing assets would have any value by the time I could drive my new BMW were nil. Thus, I could drive away with a clear conscience by the time I would reap any benefits from my momentary lapse of willpower."
Programmers in mirror are brighter than they appear
Alienate your development community and then bribe them to get them back on board.
Unix developers to SCO:
Go to hell.
Sincerely,
Unix developers everywhere
Need I say it? Open-source version of UNIX for Intel?
Some revisionist history going here. It's like BSD isn't only dead, it never existed.
FreeBSD!
I Can Change by South Park
-._*-._*-._*-._*-._*-._*-
Some people say that i'm a bad guy..
They may be right, they may be right.
But it's not as if I don't try..
I just fuck up, try as I might
But I can change, I can change!
I can learn to keep my promises, I swear it!
I'll open up my heart and I will share it..
Any minute now I will be born again!
Yes I can change, I can change!
I know i've been a dirty little bastard
I like to kill! I like to maim! Yes, I'm insane!
But it's okay, 'COS I CAN CHANGE!!
It's not my fault that i'm so evil..
It's society, society.
You see my parents were sometimes abusive..
And it made, a prick of me.
But I can change, I can change!
Satan: What if you remain a sandy little butthole?
Hey Satan! Don't be such a twit
Mother Teresa won't have shit on me!
Here I am, just watch me change..
Here you go, i'm changing!
Sure buddy. I was born yesterday.
Apparently, You can buy anything in this world for money. ;-)
STFU
I mod down so you can mod up. Your welcome.
Right, lets see what we have here. SCO Unix, a Unix variant which isn't really well known apart ofcourse from the black suiing pages. Further more; to use it I'd have to cough up quite some cash. But what can SCO Unix offer me more? Perhaps paying up even more to be allowed and use their development tools. I wonder what would happen if I fail to understand some of their licenses.
Now, on the other hand I know of this other company which also does something with Unix which, strangely enough, is available for free. Not only that, they even allow me to use their development tools completely free of charge. Not just that, no, whenever I use one of their products they send me a full license for the specific product which doesn't expire, doesn't allow this other company to suddenly go back on their promise, doesn't limit me to use their products and most of all: doesn't have this weird taste of hypocracy.
This other company even allows me to use their tools and technology to do some nifty mobile programming and I don't even have to attend any courses if I don't want to. Just read or download a tutorial online.
Gee, this is a hard choice. Do I go for some money which hardly covers my expenses and the option of a free car or do I go with free stuff available now which can (and is likely to:) dramaticly increase my options to find myself a nice job.
Such tough choices, NOT.
I just don't get the whole BMW/MB thing. They still look like cars my grandfather would drive.
I won't post the link, because SCO shouldn't boast "users" because of this, however.....
.Net and Java development platforms, having developed on those platforms. You must be able to demonstrate proficiency with these platform languages and may be asked to submit an example of Java application you or your company has developed."
Some nice items:
"You must be a qualified developer with the
So, they can say you are not qualified because they have given no criteria about what is or what is not qualified.
You need this much machine:
"a. Memory 768MB, HIGHLY recommend 1GB plus
b. Windows XP Pro or Windows 2003 server (Windows XP Home will not work)
c. Processor speed - faster the better, at minimum should be Pentium (P4 class) 1.8 - 2.0GHz plus.
d. If firewall software is installed, it must be configurable.
e. Need to be able to disable anti virus software"
This would require having Windows XP Pro or 2K3 Server, no thanks.
It would cost more than $1000 to get to vegas, stay at a hotel, make sure you have the software & hardware needed.
So, $1000? Not worth it.
#include
int main (int argc, char **argv[])
{
printf ("Take this code with you, and its mobile. By the way Darl, go fuck yourself.\n\n ps. Thanks for the free BMW.\n");
return 0;
}
A friend of mine who is a freelance engineer found that an engineer at one place he was contracting hadn't heard of Linux (this was a few months ago!)
If you act automatically, send in your CV, stay within "course boundaries" etcetera, it can be amazing what you miss!
Wikileaks, no DNS
Fuckers are trying to get away two pistons cheaper! Screw 'em. If it was a v-12 I'm there, but for only a v-10? Got to hell SCO!
There's no such thing as a 12-cylinder motorcycle engine.
In the course of every project, it will become necessary to shoot the scientists and begin production.
Slashdot posts are getting awfully mild these days...
Die slow in a fucking fire.
#! /bin/bash
echo "Give me the money and car now!"
eof
One ring to bind them - should probably have more fiber and less rings in their diet.
Let me explain why the [sic] is present in the following:
HP, I [sic]could care less about (their computers are cheap
This sentence implies you care to some amount, but could lower that amount by caring less.
The correct usage is this:
HP, I couldn't care less about (their computers are cheap
This demonstrates you do not care at all, so it is impossible to care any less.
McBride said the case against IBM "is scheduled to come to trial in early 2007. We continue to feel we have a strong case and we're looking forward to our day in court. But while the legal teams have been off litigating, the business team has been busy innovating." So.. they have multiple legal teams, but only one business team? I guess they do care more about litigation.
This should be under 'its funny, laugh'
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Ralph Yarro, the former Canopy's scavenger, and SCO's Darl McBride hold together some 36% of equity. Add the shares of several mamagers and senior officials and you pass the 50% mark. These are all involved in the Linux exhortition scheme up to their nostrils. They are not going to sue themselves.
The other shareholders are speculators trying to get rid of their shares or still stubbornly hoping for cash should the case really go to a jury. Quite unlikely that they are going to make a fuss, although among vultures you never know.
It is certainly not a case of serious and sober shareholders being abused by the management.
Well, why not take it if you've nothing better going on? Doesn't mean you have to do anything with it after all, consider the workshop a nice development vacation. Doesn't mean you have to develop anything with it.
And if you do. Just make sure it blatantly says "SCO SUCKS" all over it. :)
That'll teach 'em.
Can they go chapter 11 yet???
Darl,
We have ethics. For the love of God, bugger off.
Unix developers.
I could very well be dead wrong. Oh, well. My original assertion still stands - take advantage of SCO's offer. At worst, you've entered a lottery for a BMW. Just don't sign anything in blood . . .
After legal fees, will SCO have enough money to buy a 4 cylinder BMW?
Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
SCO sues hundreds of beginners for infringing on their application SCO HelloWare. As a result, the default beginner's app has been changed to, "Hello, Earth!", which SCO is expected to sue in a few days.
It is the owner that crashes the system. If you are enough of an idiot to put 50 background processes in Windows you sho
HP used to be a company of engineers, making products for engineers and scientists, they turned into a company of marketer making things for consumers so the CEO could flip stock options, now these seem to be trying to find a profitable middle-ground now that Carly is gone.
Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
bite my shiny metal ass.
Damn...is it April 1st again already?
I want a new quote. One that won't spill. One that don't cost too much. Or come in a pill.
Fuck you McBride. Choke on the little that's left of your worthless shithole company.
Why would a *nix developer want to develop software on a software platform provided by a dodgy company that is suing it customers and that will most likely only be in business for a few more years?
They might as well just change their focus to producing adware and spyware instead.... at this rate people couldn't hate them any worse than they already do.
I don't get what SCO think they are achieving here, the company is dead. Most developers are not going to support their platform on principle and those who don't have a problem with the lawsuit are still going to avoid it because there is no critical mass. Thats why the nimrods started the lawsuit in the first place.
Looking for an Information Security student project suggestion?
Try http://dotcrimeManifesto.com/
Once he gets his money, if ever, and that's a huge if, he'll leave SCO. Ring tone is just something, anything, to make him looks like he has a real work to do in the mean time.
I'd think it'd be wise to read carefully through the contracts one has to sign, multiple times. I don't believe there's a free lunch, especially with the current SCO, one probably will lose more than one gets.
Get lost you patent-whoring nobodies!
Is that a SCSI connector or are you just glad to see me?
Jeff Merkey
I don't have the source code. Trust me, if I did, I'd have ported it quite some time ago. As for not having the source ... the person making the decisions when the app was written just wasn't aware of the issues.
The problem is in fact not the application its self - that was custom built and we do have the source - but the runtime it sits on. It's an early database-integrated 4GL called Plain English. The company that wrote the runtime is long dead. In fact, it was out of business more than eight years before the system developed on top of the runtime was developed, and I've never been able to understand how on earth they chose to use this ancient 4GL for the project.
I've actually written a replacement runtime based on the documentation I have on Plain English, but it looks like the code we have relies on quite a bit of undocumented behaviour. It's not well enough written to handle unexpected issues or error conditions successfully - in fact I'd describe it as hideous undocumented spaghetti from hell - so testing is awfully painful. Given the reliability level required it's not a practical approach, and even if it were, I'd just be maintaining hideous spaghetti from hell on top of a new runtime. Um, yay.
Did I mention the integrated database without transaction support that is corrupted if a client unexpectedly disconnects? Same issue with telnet disconnects and the old dumb terminals (no longer used) being turned off - it's just crap software. What about the lovely code-in-database setup that is prone to corruption if the incredibly flakey custom editor runs into any issues? Yes, Plain English is clearly the height of modern software development...
The system is being replaced, but in the mean time, I have to keep OpenServer kicking along. Ugh.
SCO = So Cluelessly Outtathegame
All they need now is a "Developers! Developers! Developers!" gig...
Hey As a developer, why would we develop for a system for a company which is going to be liquidated within the next 12 months?? It doesnt make any financial sense. If this company was run out of australia, all directors/managers/ceo would be thrown in prison for very long sentances for knowingly running a business without fudiciary care, and I do mean long, min 5 years, ask the directors of the insurance company HIH! and there is no recourse to earn after that as any book deals etc are considered to be profiting from a crime and therefore all assets, commercial and personal will be seized as a further offense had occured. Americans need to take a long hard look at their accountability standards! Then again whilst bush and its mates are in power Justice is only for those with a bit check book with checks made out to the republican party. Suck scum and die SCO!
How about an SMS spam blocker/filter?
Minus $699 SCO license, minus cost of conference attendance, minus cost of user licenses, minus pain and suffering dealing with the most (IMHO) painful unix variant I have ever dealt with (I've only used/been admin on a couple of SCO variants, Solaris, FreeBSD and most of the major Linux distros though)...
How does "fuck you SCO" sound? :)
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
We actually intended to say...
We want you(r) back.
-Santa Cruz Operations.
Unix Developers to SCO:
Go to hell SCO!
An article about SCO wanting to recruit developers appeared and was heavily commented on. No surprise there, except...
/. and realising they're on a hiding to nothing. WE are the people they are targeting and the overwhelming response is "You must be kidding!"
/. actually affects a corporate* initiative directly?
SCO should be reading
Could this be the first time that
* I use the term "corporate" loosely - actually I should have said "^**!!@" (no, not rot13)
especially the Alpha (R.I.P.)
p envmsservers.html
Alpha isn't dead, yet.
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/byos/o
"I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
Have they check fsf.org? Have lots of developers!
They will tell sco what to do with the bmw and the big bucks for sure.
Hey McBride why only 100,000 or a BMW. Is this worth that much to you, guess what. Just pay the money you got from those private investors when you tried to sue linux. Say in the range of 10 million; it not like you dont have it huh?
I'm been a PostgreSQL user for a few years now. Damn fine database, complete with triggers, RI, stored procs, etc. It's replication situation isn't quite solid yet (several add-on products, no clear leader), but scripting up a satisifactory work-around is typically a breeze.
A newcomer to the open source DB scene is Ingres - it went open source just over a year ago. I've used Ingres at various times in the last 20 years and it too is a totally solid performer. It's much bigger than PostgreSQL - has all the toys and them some, of course including replication.
These are two serious contenders for database jobs, and should be considered by anyone fleeing from the pointy end of MySQL's pitchfork. To offer a general guideline, I'd say it's appropriate to use PostgreSQL for light to heavy lifting, and Ingres for heavy to super-heavy. And Ingres does high-availability better - it even runs on OpenVMS 7.3+!
- The Kessel run is for nerf herders. I can circumnavigate the entire Central Finite Curve in a lot less than 12 parse
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
DEC was acquired by Compaq was acquired by HP.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
Alpha sales are ending in October.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
Where did SCO get $100k? If I were an IBM lawyer, I'd try to get the assets frozen.
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
... Bwhahahahahahaha!
Alpha sales are ending in October.
And then there's the aftermarket.
We'll be using Alpha/OpenVMS for another 2 years on most projects, migrating piecemeal to Linux+Oracle over the next 5 years.
And then, no more DCL. [sniff, sniff, blubber]
"I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
I am a bit lost here. Is MySQL providing products or tools only to $$$ customers? Which ones? I thought that their GPL software had the same features of their commercial versions.
And you are better adviced not to join them.
I would personally find offensive that somebody would join this company in particular, and would consider it as an indication of a bad trait in character in a job interview (why would anybody want to join a company that has been as unethcial as this one?).
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
I have some. Do you want 360KB or 1.2 MB? Do you want dual 3.5" & 5.12" drives? I gots 'em all.
-- Stephen.
It does, The point i was trying to make is that MySQL is a business. Business models dont work if your product is free, so there has to be an incentive to buy the commercial version so development can continue and the product remains enterprise quality. Without any sales the code would become stale as not as many people would work on it (people are paid to develop it).
GPL is not just about free software, More the freedom of software.
well, actually mods eventually do. with bad enough karma you get limited to only two posts per day, like several hours apart. so you end up creating a bitchbag of logins - it's inconvenient to log in and back out and wastes about 10s of my time. that's alright though, cause my dick is still being sucked during those 10s. Now go get me some chips and the sports section.