Isn't modern US shareholder capitalism "fuck everyone but the shareholders". How's that got my back?
Capitalism is just a tool. I am neither religiously for it, nor religiously against it. It works, at least it has for years, and the flaws that Lenin thought he saw didn't kill it. But capitalism is not an idea, it's a mechanism. we're putting a wrench/spanner in the gears of capitalism and hoping it works out ok. I'm not so sure.
It's just one industry. I chose amazon because that's this thread. Want to talk about doctors losing to robotic surgeons? or lawyers, who need years of expensive school AND accreditation, are already losing jobs, and Watson is rearing his head? Or service industry, where tablets at tables lower the number of people needed (you have maybe 8 servers instead of 10-12 waiters). Or transportation? Apple, google, delphi, Uber, every car manufacturer, all are going for self driving cars. Self driving Semis are just a year or two away (tech's already there, just regulations). Transportation is c. 5,000,000 workers. Do you think the economy can just shrug off 5million new unemployed? We're ecstatic when 250,000 people get new jobs, how about 5,000,000 fewer?
Lets pretend all i care about (now) is Amazon. Then the store next to it can't compete because of drones/robots, etc. They go out of business. Or they need to cut wages. Even if we isolate Amazon, there are still spillover effects.
I just watched the Big Short. I feel like im the canary whistling in the coal mine. GO check the rising number of people applying for disability benefits. Sometimes all the jobs move away and there's just nothing you're qualified for. This has been happening for years. Just under peoples' radar.
1) progress is in the eye of the beholder. To be a bit flip, if i broke into your house and stole your TV, that's certainly progress... to me. You may feel differently.
2) Go read about actually working in an Amazon warehouse. There is no time for chitchat. You're tracked. You're timed. It's hot. People pass out. Your back will be hurting. You're lucky if you eat lunch much less checking facebook or twitter. And you do this, puppet on a string, for a small hope of getting a full time job, so you get benefits so you can actually take your kid to see a doctor once in a while. And you want to complain to Bezos? well, technically you're far from an employee. You're a contractor, probably that company working for another contractor, far removed from the "amazon way".
Don't use strawmen of lazy people sitting on their ass in the warehouse, hoping to get cash as they eat bonbons. No Amazon warehouse is like that. Its a very hard, very demanding job. But, people take it because they'd rather hurt their bodies than not eat. Than their kids not eat.
As far as the historical "we've seen this kind of thing before" I kind of agree, but this is at a scale and timeframe unprecedented. You'll hear this a billion times, but i think this time really is different.
How's that go, from Keynes "in the long run we are all dead". If your job, your way of feeding your kids was what was being eliminated, i don't think you'd call it a hiccup. Jobs are being cut on a Moore's law timescale, but you and me are still operating on human timescale. Besides, this is change. Calling it Progress is very much a value judgment.
There's always been a self inflicted wound instilled into capitalism. It's "we need wages as purchasing power to make the engine go; business will always cut costs where they can, including wages". For decades, we never saw this flaw because of growth. There was ALWAYS places to grow. I don't know where the growth comes from now. The planet just cant have exponential growth forever. My kids are infants. What they do for jobs 15-20 years from now will be radically different from what i dealt with.
"Savings" also means "less money for workers to spend in their local economy".
We're making radical changes to the whole cycle of "wages => purchases => revenues => wages =>..." cycle. Yes, it has happened before, but never at this speed, never at this timescale, never at this scale of number of jobs. This may not end well.
Are you saying no one uses BSD or no one uses BSD on Azure?
If you mean the former, think of all the iOS, OSX (err, macOS), tvOS, and watchOS devices? If having billions of devices is a failure, not sure what you'd call success. If you think the latter, well, I can also say that there's no Linux running on iOS. Any new proprietary platform may not run all apps or tools at first.
FreeBSD had a couple things happen to it that didn't happen to Linux. It got sued by AT&T. The F.U.D. of that slowed things (and actually Linus wrote Linux from scratch because he wanted a cleanroom UNIX, because of the FUD). And it had one of it's best developers leave because of technical direction. (Imagine if Alan Cox or Linus left years ago). Both slowed it down, and neither has anything at all to do with the license issue.
Not saying that license issue has nothing to do with it. It has. But think about perl, and apache, and all the other things on a license-more-like-bsd. License is not the only reason that Linux is on more devices. But you're comparing billions of BSD based devices to more billions of Linux devices. Neither is a failure.
A billion years ago, I worked as an intern for a research group called CSTaR. One of the things they came up with was one of the first shopping bots. It would poll a bunch of sites like CDNOW (yeah this is old, back before Amazon ruled the roost) and a few others, and would come up with the cheapest price. A few sites blocked the bot.
Nothing new here, just interesting that Uber starting to do it now.
Like C? Even C has broken backwards compatibility at times. C started out in the 70's, yet we still have C99. Oh wait, that didn't work, we have C11. 40 years later we're still changing it.
C++ was once a superset of C. It is no longer, and some C code can not be compiled in C++ compilers.
Java has methods that are deprecated.
Swift is a pretty new language. It's also a bit of a new paradigm. You start with an idea of what you want in the language, most works, some doesn't, you try again. Some of this breaks backwards compatibility. Better to do this now, then 40 years later.
You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due.
-- Dick Cheney (to Paul O'Neil)
Most budgets as given by Republican candidates would have blown up the deficit. As much as Trump has a budget (he's very fuzzy on specifics) would also blow up the budget.
Clinton cut the deficit. Obama has shrunk government (many who see Democrats only as spenders can not see that) and has shrunk the deficit a lot since his first year and the Great Recession. Economic numbers generally do better under Democrats.
I have some friends who work at Motorola. My cousin's hubby is an engineer there. He's worked his ass off on phones, back and forth to factories in china all the time. All for naught.
Also on the front page is how Foxconn is replacing manufacturing with robots. I can guarantee they're not paying $15USD/hr to employees. The talk about minimum wage is just to cut costs until the robots can replace the guys making $8/USD/Hr.
There's a fundamental conflict in capitalism. As an owner, you want to cut costs, including wages. But wages are also known as "purchasing power". We've gotten past this by growth. Capitalism requires growth. But we're cutting so fast, im not sure we're growing fast enough to cover all the lost purchasing power. We'll see
Microsoft is forcing you to upgrade now. that's the default. Close the window, you accept the default which is to install. Consistent actually.
The asshole thing is the forced install. "oh but you could change it if you want". You have to look at text, not a button, mouse over it, see that's it's clickable, and then make your choice. It's very asshole very forced.
If apple fanbois got all weird with a free album, i can't see what a forced download and install would bring up. I assume lawyers are on the move. As someone else has said, the lawyers will get rich, Microsoft will admit nothing and apologize for users not understanding (blame the user) and people will not be made hole but get vouchers for products they don't want.
Those who say "we're going to build our economy by bringing back manufacturing" are deluding themselves. Those who vote for those people are also deluding themselves. (yes, this is a not so veiled Trump reference)
That "location data is better with wifi on" is them telling you. It's not advertised, but neither is it secret either. it's anonymized. And in response to consumer complaints, they scrub the DB regularly. And it's sent back when you sync your phone, meaning it's on your home Internet, not on your dataplan.
Apple takes your Apple Maps mapping request and splits it in half. So you don't get associated with a path. They also severely kneecapped iAds by not selling out your data. They do take data seriously. They sell hardware. Google is an ad company. They sell your data. Not a dig at google, but it's something Apple likes to call out in contrast. They don't make massive amounts of money on data, so it's easier for them to push that money away. They make money on hardware and services unrelated to tracking data.
I know you're joking, but after seeing a few tattoos of teachings of Leviticus i can assure you that many of the most devout followers of any religious book really don't understand it. The Bible/Torah/Qu'ran can at times be seen as a Rorschach test, where you really see what's in the mind of the viewer rather than the book itself.
My mother in law is incredibly tech phobic. Ironic since she had to use them daily, but whatever.
We got her a mac laptop, Mac Air IIRC. When iv'e updated her laptop to the newst OS Rev (and we've gone through 4 major releases) she's bitcvhed about..... the wallpaper changing.
That's it. The wallpaper.
No solid OS in XP, then the hell that i dealt with in Vista (where Microsoft de-contented base OS versions so I couldn't put it in english so i debugged it in Chinese), then Vista, then 8 where they forced a tablet UI half ass glued to a desktop UI, then 8.1 where they backed off then over to 10 with a new update model.
Granted, maybe there are a lot of oddball things she didn't bring up, but I can't assume that. All i can assume is that she's pretty good with MacOS.
A typeface is a design. a font is a typeface at a specific size.
Think back to movable type. You talk to your designer, "i want this headline in Palatino" or whatever. You get it in your head. Then you get to brass tacks, and have to go to a drawer, and pull out type at a specific size. That's a font.
With TrueType and Postscript and Digital Presses, it's kind of all blended and become cloudy. But I'd wish there was a bit more specificness from actual News Outlets. Oh well.
The problem was that Larry and Linus were good friends...
...and wrote git. This eventually destroyed Larry's company.
This, I find, is the oddest part of all this. I support my friend, so much that I'd rather write a competing product than allow his servers to keep running and a thousand clients bloom. I forgot all about bitkeeper.
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Isn't modern US shareholder capitalism "fuck everyone but the shareholders". How's that got my back?
Capitalism is just a tool. I am neither religiously for it, nor religiously against it. It works, at least it has for years, and the flaws that Lenin thought he saw didn't kill it. But capitalism is not an idea, it's a mechanism. we're putting a wrench/spanner in the gears of capitalism and hoping it works out ok. I'm not so sure.
It's just one industry. I chose amazon because that's this thread. Want to talk about doctors losing to robotic surgeons? or lawyers, who need years of expensive school AND accreditation, are already losing jobs, and Watson is rearing his head? Or service industry, where tablets at tables lower the number of people needed (you have maybe 8 servers instead of 10-12 waiters). Or transportation? Apple, google, delphi, Uber, every car manufacturer, all are going for self driving cars. Self driving Semis are just a year or two away (tech's already there, just regulations). Transportation is c. 5,000,000 workers. Do you think the economy can just shrug off 5million new unemployed? We're ecstatic when 250,000 people get new jobs, how about 5,000,000 fewer?
Lets pretend all i care about (now) is Amazon. Then the store next to it can't compete because of drones/robots, etc. They go out of business. Or they need to cut wages. Even if we isolate Amazon, there are still spillover effects.
I just watched the Big Short. I feel like im the canary whistling in the coal mine. GO check the rising number of people applying for disability benefits. Sometimes all the jobs move away and there's just nothing you're qualified for. This has been happening for years. Just under peoples' radar.
1) progress is in the eye of the beholder. To be a bit flip, if i broke into your house and stole your TV, that's certainly progress... to me. You may feel differently.
2) Go read about actually working in an Amazon warehouse. There is no time for chitchat. You're tracked. You're timed. It's hot. People pass out. Your back will be hurting. You're lucky if you eat lunch much less checking facebook or twitter. And you do this, puppet on a string, for a small hope of getting a full time job, so you get benefits so you can actually take your kid to see a doctor once in a while. And you want to complain to Bezos? well, technically you're far from an employee. You're a contractor, probably that company working for another contractor, far removed from the "amazon way".
Don't use strawmen of lazy people sitting on their ass in the warehouse, hoping to get cash as they eat bonbons. No Amazon warehouse is like that. Its a very hard, very demanding job. But, people take it because they'd rather hurt their bodies than not eat. Than their kids not eat.
As far as the historical "we've seen this kind of thing before" I kind of agree, but this is at a scale and timeframe unprecedented. You'll hear this a billion times, but i think this time really is different.
How's that go, from Keynes "in the long run we are all dead". If your job, your way of feeding your kids was what was being eliminated, i don't think you'd call it a hiccup. Jobs are being cut on a Moore's law timescale, but you and me are still operating on human timescale. Besides, this is change. Calling it Progress is very much a value judgment.
There's always been a self inflicted wound instilled into capitalism. It's "we need wages as purchasing power to make the engine go; business will always cut costs where they can, including wages". For decades, we never saw this flaw because of growth. There was ALWAYS places to grow. I don't know where the growth comes from now. The planet just cant have exponential growth forever. My kids are infants. What they do for jobs 15-20 years from now will be radically different from what i dealt with.
"Savings" also means "less money for workers to spend in their local economy".
We're making radical changes to the whole cycle of "wages => purchases => revenues => wages => ..." cycle. Yes, it has happened before, but never at this speed, never at this timescale, never at this scale of number of jobs. This may not end well.
Are you saying no one uses BSD or no one uses BSD on Azure?
If you mean the former, think of all the iOS, OSX (err, macOS), tvOS, and watchOS devices? If having billions of devices is a failure, not sure what you'd call success. If you think the latter, well, I can also say that there's no Linux running on iOS. Any new proprietary platform may not run all apps or tools at first.
FreeBSD had a couple things happen to it that didn't happen to Linux. It got sued by AT&T. The F.U.D. of that slowed things (and actually Linus wrote Linux from scratch because he wanted a cleanroom UNIX, because of the FUD). And it had one of it's best developers leave because of technical direction. (Imagine if Alan Cox or Linus left years ago). Both slowed it down, and neither has anything at all to do with the license issue.
Not saying that license issue has nothing to do with it. It has. But think about perl, and apache, and all the other things on a license-more-like-bsd. License is not the only reason that Linux is on more devices. But you're comparing billions of BSD based devices to more billions of Linux devices. Neither is a failure.
Originally, the first TCP/IP stack and some command line TCP/IP tools (ftp.exe) were from BSD. Eventually Microsoft wrote it's own stack and tools.
A billion years ago, I worked as an intern for a research group called CSTaR. One of the things they came up with was one of the first shopping bots. It would poll a bunch of sites like CDNOW (yeah this is old, back before Amazon ruled the roost) and a few others, and would come up with the cheapest price. A few sites blocked the bot.
Nothing new here, just interesting that Uber starting to do it now.
Like C? Even C has broken backwards compatibility at times. C started out in the 70's, yet we still have C99. Oh wait, that didn't work, we have C11. 40 years later we're still changing it.
C++ was once a superset of C. It is no longer, and some C code can not be compiled in C++ compilers.
Java has methods that are deprecated.
Swift is a pretty new language. It's also a bit of a new paradigm. You start with an idea of what you want in the language, most works, some doesn't, you try again. Some of this breaks backwards compatibility. Better to do this now, then 40 years later.
I heard a quote on sports radio, i've changed it a bit (since i don't have the original anyway):
If you're looking at something that doesn't make sense, and you're wondering "Why the hell...?" the answer is probably "money"
Why the hell are you bitching about downmods if you're posting as AC anyway? pre-whining?
You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due.
-- Dick Cheney (to Paul O'Neil)
Most budgets as given by Republican candidates would have blown up the deficit. As much as Trump has a budget (he's very fuzzy on specifics) would also blow up the budget.
Clinton cut the deficit. Obama has shrunk government (many who see Democrats only as spenders can not see that) and has shrunk the deficit a lot since his first year and the Great Recession. Economic numbers generally do better under Democrats.
I have some friends who work at Motorola. My cousin's hubby is an engineer there. He's worked his ass off on phones, back and forth to factories in china all the time. All for naught.
An interesting read: Lenovo/Motorola repeating the mistakes of HP/Palm
Also on the front page is how Foxconn is replacing manufacturing with robots. I can guarantee they're not paying $15USD/hr to employees. The talk about minimum wage is just to cut costs until the robots can replace the guys making $8/USD/Hr.
There's a fundamental conflict in capitalism. As an owner, you want to cut costs, including wages. But wages are also known as "purchasing power". We've gotten past this by growth. Capitalism requires growth. But we're cutting so fast, im not sure we're growing fast enough to cover all the lost purchasing power. We'll see
People are getting this slightly wrong.
Microsoft is forcing you to upgrade now. that's the default. Close the window, you accept the default which is to install. Consistent actually.
The asshole thing is the forced install. "oh but you could change it if you want". You have to look at text, not a button, mouse over it, see that's it's clickable, and then make your choice. It's very asshole very forced.
If apple fanbois got all weird with a free album, i can't see what a forced download and install would bring up. I assume lawyers are on the move. As someone else has said, the lawyers will get rich, Microsoft will admit nothing and apologize for users not understanding (blame the user) and people will not be made hole but get vouchers for products they don't want.
are you saying that every computer owner needs to know how to write device drivers to proprietary technology? on a changing DD-SDK?
Microsoft and "scroogled", if you can't beat em, join em
Those who say "we're going to build our economy by bringing back manufacturing" are deluding themselves. Those who vote for those people are also deluding themselves. (yes, this is a not so veiled Trump reference)
That "location data is better with wifi on" is them telling you. It's not advertised, but neither is it secret either. it's anonymized. And in response to consumer complaints, they scrub the DB regularly. And it's sent back when you sync your phone, meaning it's on your home Internet, not on your dataplan.
Apple takes your Apple Maps mapping request and splits it in half. So you don't get associated with a path. They also severely kneecapped iAds by not selling out your data. They do take data seriously. They sell hardware. Google is an ad company. They sell your data. Not a dig at google, but it's something Apple likes to call out in contrast. They don't make massive amounts of money on data, so it's easier for them to push that money away. They make money on hardware and services unrelated to tracking data.
wasn't NT at one point a microkernel? Wouldn't at some point you be able to vector this into user space libraries?
I know you're joking, but after seeing a few tattoos of teachings of Leviticus i can assure you that many of the most devout followers of any religious book really don't understand it. The Bible/Torah/Qu'ran can at times be seen as a Rorschach test, where you really see what's in the mind of the viewer rather than the book itself.
I mean, if they're going after Gates, might as well try to take out Apple too...
My mother in law is incredibly tech phobic. Ironic since she had to use them daily, but whatever.
We got her a mac laptop, Mac Air IIRC. When iv'e updated her laptop to the newst OS Rev (and we've gone through 4 major releases) she's bitcvhed about..... the wallpaper changing.
That's it. The wallpaper.
No solid OS in XP, then the hell that i dealt with in Vista (where Microsoft de-contented base OS versions so I couldn't put it in english so i debugged it in Chinese), then Vista, then 8 where they forced a tablet UI half ass glued to a desktop UI, then 8.1 where they backed off then over to 10 with a new update model.
Granted, maybe there are a lot of oddball things she didn't bring up, but I can't assume that. All i can assume is that she's pretty good with MacOS.
A typeface is a design. a font is a typeface at a specific size.
Think back to movable type. You talk to your designer, "i want this headline in Palatino" or whatever. You get it in your head. Then you get to brass tacks, and have to go to a drawer, and pull out type at a specific size. That's a font.
With TrueType and Postscript and Digital Presses, it's kind of all blended and become cloudy. But I'd wish there was a bit more specificness from actual News Outlets. Oh well.
This, I find, is the oddest part of all this. I support my friend, so much that I'd rather write a competing product than allow his servers to keep running and a thousand clients bloom. I forgot all about bitkeeper.