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Al-Qaeda Calls For the Execution Of Bill Gates and Others To 'Damage the US Economy' (betanews.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Al-Qaeda's official online propaganda magazine, Inspire, contains a montage of violent images -- things like guns and blood -- next to an image of Bill Gates. The terrorist group is urging its followers to murder successful business folks, such as Gates, which is absolutely sickening. The terrorist group says that murdering high ranking people can damage the U.S. economy.

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  1. Wow, they really are stuck in the past by damn_registrars · · Score: 5, Funny

    While I wish no harm upon Bill Gates - in spite of being vehemently anti-Microsoft myself - I don't see what Al-Qaeda could expect to accomplish by killing him. He stepped down how many years ago from the top of Microsoft? This seems about as logical as watching too many reruns of ER and then deciding to kill George Clooney to harm our health care system.

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    1. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Al-Qaeda's the Jeb Bush of terrorist orgs. Once respected, they coasted for too long, grew fat and lazy and lost their edge. Now they're trying the tough-guy hat on again to look relevant, and it just looks weird and sad.

    2. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      i agree with what you are saying but your analogy kind of sucks. Bill Gates is somebody who did something. George Clooney is no one.

    3. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by bobaferret · · Score: 1

      And what would the world be like if we started killing the richest people in the world? I'm not for killing anyone ever, but what happens if you kill the .01% and keep culling until it doesn't exist anymore?

    4. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by halivar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You eventually reach 0%? Or, maybe you can pick someone you like, and we'll stop culling right before it hits them? That's how people always expect these things to work. Robespierre learned the hard way that it does not.

      That's why talking about killing the rich and powerful is absolutely retarded. You'd be the second guy up against the wall.

    5. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      what happens if you kill the .01% and keep culling until it doesn't exist anymore?

      You're left with just the people who don't understand percentages.

    6. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Al-Qaeda's the Jeb Bush of terrorist orgs. Once respected, they coasted for too long, grew fat and lazy and lost their edge.

      Like Jeb Bush, Al-Qaeda has an excellent donor network to fund future activities.

    7. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that Al-Qaeda is mistaken. The inheritance taxes following such high-profile deaths would do more to boost the economy than "trickle down" ever did.

    8. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is unless they get (holds pinky to mouth) ONE MILLION DOLLARS!

    9. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      And what would the world be like if we started killing the richest people in the world? I'm not for killing anyone ever, but what happens if you kill the .01% and keep culling until it doesn't exist anymore?

      You get Ayn Rand's "Rapture of the Rich" fantasy.

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    10. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, he's being all philantropic and shit now, doling out relative pittances to "do good", spreading his American[tm] influence. If those beardy haters had any sense they'd want him to quit the philantropy and get back as CEO, spreading misery to all fortune 500 workers and beyond.

    11. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 2

      His philanthropy may even be what is irritating them, who knows?

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    12. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I agree. They would be much better off targeting Donald Trump.

      Man, we would be so screwed if they did that. The whole country would probably be in chaos instantly if they went after Donald Trump. I don't know how we would handle such a thing

      I sure hope they don't set their sights on Donald Trump instead.

    13. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't expect people to read the articles, I DO expect people to read the fucking summary.

      "The terrorist group is urging its followers to murder successful business folks, such as Gates,"

      It's an example, not a specific target. It perfectly gets the point across.

    14. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're very lucky that terrorists are stupid. Smart psychopaths have a world full of opportunities to take advantage of others, so terrorism is a bad option for them.

      We see the same thing with petty criminals, making them easy for police to catch. The smart criminals are running companies and investment funds.

    15. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 1

      You seem very uninformed. http://www.satsentinel.org/

    16. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by myowntrueself · · Score: 2

      While I wish no harm upon Bill Gates - in spite of being vehemently anti-Microsoft myself - I don't see what Al-Qaeda could expect to accomplish by killing him. He stepped down how many years ago from the top of Microsoft? This seems about as logical as watching too many reruns of ER and then deciding to kill George Clooney to harm our health care system.

      They just don't think laterally enough. Economy depends on infrastructure and governance and some key businesses supported by that infrastructure and governance.

      - How much does Apple help the US economy? What happens to Apple if someone were to kill off their entire security team?
      - There are less than a dozen locations in the USA where you could effectively take out the US Internet.
      - How about making the main deep water harbors unusable?
      - Dress up as cops and shoot a bunch of militia guys in one place, a bunch of black guys in another place and a bunch of hispanic guys in another place. The USA is a powder keg of armed opposing factions. A serious opponent of the USA would take advantage of this. You can bet the Russians and Chinese have plans in place for this. Al Qaida not so much.
      - And if they really wanted to fuck America, they could take out Bernie AND Hillary, leaving Trump the only candidate with any chance of becoming president.

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    17. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by myowntrueself · · Score: 5, Funny

      Al-Qaeda's the Jeb Bush of terrorist orgs. Once respected, they coasted for too long, grew fat and lazy and lost their edge.

      Like Jeb Bush, Al-Qaeda has an excellent donor network to fund future activities.

      And, similarly, they will be spending those donations on hookers and blow.

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    18. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His wealth is enormous, and he's a latest primary shareholder in MS. Like the top 0.1%, the wealth is taken away from the majority of the population by making them pick up the tab because the oligarchs like Gates & Co have excellent legal and accounting people protect their empires and avoid taxes by controlling the system at the very top.

      You think he's a philanthropist? Not a chance! Every single charity / good cause his money is involved in is just another massive investment opportunity he has locked down. You've seen the Simpson's episode, right?

    19. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Jawnn · · Score: 2

      His philanthropy may even be what is irritating them, who knows?

      Probably more than a little truth to that. The Gates Foundation gives a lot of money to immunization programs, IIRC, and we all know that preventing polio is just another front for dirty Jews trying sterilize young Mu'min. Right?

    20. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 0

      what happens if you kill the .01% and keep culling until it doesn't exist anymore?

      The bottom line is that their assets will go to their next of kin, according to their wills, for the most part. If you go find all 7M .1%'ers you will succeed only in diffusing their cash a bit to a next generation, the top .1% becomes the top .25%. You will succeed in precisely nothing, and in another 30 years the dumb rich kids will have their breakfast eaten by the smart rich kids and we're back to square 1. Killing them isn't a solution. Kidnapping? Maybe, risky and impractical though.

      If you really want to hurt the wealthy, raise inflation. A lot. This is very practical and something that we can cause to happen by voting certain ways or general civil disobedience. This will most hurt those living on investments, which includes a lot of .1%ers, but probably also mom and dad. But it will have the desired effect of wrecking much of the top .1%.

    21. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I wish no harm upon Bill Gates - in spite of being vehemently anti-Microsoft myself - I don't see what Al-Qaeda could expect to accomplish by killing him. He stepped down how many years ago from the top of Microsoft? This seems about as logical as watching too many reruns of ER and then deciding to kill George Clooney to harm our health care system.

      Also, killing Bill Gates would probably help the US economy considering he's just funneling all his money overseas to prop up the third world and spending his time convincing other billionaires to do the same.

    22. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll end up killing yourself at one moment. You might even be killed yourself by your 'brothers' if you take all possessions of your victim after your first kill.

    23. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by bobaferret · · Score: 1

      So in the long run, was the french revolution a good thing or a bad thing?

    24. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also recommended attacking our Pepsi Soda Jerks, John Wayne, saloons with player piano's, riverboat pilots, top-hat/monacle wearing railroad tycoons, horse-spur manufacturing plants, Notorious B.I.G., and Gordon Gecko.

      The short-bus has never looked so dangerous. These days, Al-Qaeda is like the "Jonestown" mass-suicide cult of the middle-east. The only people who are willing to fly their hashtag are poor 2nd-generation immigrants who are butt-hurt that the prom-queen doesn't have desert-fever, are convinced the Federal Reserve is conspiring to enslave them with 0% interest credit cards, and are grasping for a sense of belonging that can help them hate-away their wounded pride for surviving on food-stamps and TANF for most of their childhood.

      Their lack of dignity and self-respect is actually the fault of the Medicaid-funding taxpayers(I.E. "Kafir"). The free dental-care from 0-18 y.o. was in-fact an elaborate scheme to get them to ingest fluoride mouthwash rather than an act of liberal charity and therefore a source of extreme cognitive dissonance which challenges their own illusory-superiority thereby provoking narcissistic-rage.

      When they realize getting shelled in Syria is tot's not as fun as yelling "Allah Akbar" into an X-Box live microphone: they're suddenly as docile as lambs.

      I'm sorry... Am I "punching down"? I'd better "check my privilege" before I'm crucified for my microagressions.

      #truthhurts

    25. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by bobaferret · · Score: 2

      thanks for a thoughtful answer

    26. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "activities"? You mean war-crimes?

    27. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by stikves · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nope, this has come before, and raising inflation does nothing to the richest top %0.1. In fact, it will make them richer.

      It is a long discussion, but go read "Capital in the 21st Century". For a short idea, think about the ways they "park" their assets. Do you think prices of real estate will not appreciate with inflation?

      Inflation is mostly harmful for the middle class which cannot invest in efficient assets, but has enough money to lose value.

    28. Re: Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes.

    29. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My fellow AC may have worded his post poorly, but his point about the analogy being flawed still stands. Bill Gates' work with Microsoft was real. George Clooney's work on the television show was fiction.

      Unless you're a Thermian.

    30. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you really want to hurt the wealthy, raise inflation.

      Inflation (mass money printing) helps the wealthy. See the United States since the Autumn of 2008.

      Please don't cite the CPI as a counterexample. The CPI is complete BS.

    31. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They come from a "low trust society." Put simply, by default, they do not trust each other. While the US is a high trust society, and by default we do trust each other. This makes things like disaster recovery and business continuity much easier as the people in power do not see it as a threat to their power. In much of the mid-east, it is seen as a threat and is imposable. That is why this tactic would work very well over there. But over hear all it would do is spread around capital, and pass leadership to new and potentially more vibrant leaders willing to take more risks. In short, it may actually stimulate the economy, and piss off the public at large. Talk about unintended consequences!

    32. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      One million? No way!

      640K ought to be enough for any terrorist!

    33. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by halivar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      After 10 years, they went straight back to monarchism under Napoleon, after all the revolutionary Jacobins were dead. Whether that was a good thing or bad thing is left as an exercise to the reader. Code Napoleon was great; losing a generation of men to war was not.

    34. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by hesiod · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I can't imagine why someone hasn't thought to create a billion-dollar investment fund in the mountains and deserts of Afghanistan!

    35. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      Napoleon

    36. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by peragrin · · Score: 1

      France in the 1800's.

      Actually every decade we should kill off the top .01%. That by itself will keep the economy flowing as their cash will keep being moved instead of just sitting there.

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    37. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You idiotically ignores that high inflation is countered by high interest rates, something that we the rich just love.

    38. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what happens if you kill the .01% and keep culling until it doesn't exist anymore?

      You're left with just the people who don't understand percentages.

      That's right - No One.

    39. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2

      I agree that Al-Qaeda is mistaken. The inheritance taxes following such high-profile deaths would do more to boost the economy than "trickle down" ever did.

      Everybody who could afford a lawyer to draw up a family trust will avoid inheritance taxes. This is not just the very rich.

    40. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real estate can only go up as long as the common man can buy it, If you create inflation, but suppress wages, then housing values and other assets will go down as people simply cant buy them at the inflation adjusted prices.

      Once you get housing to crazy wierd things in the market start happening, short term rental rates go down, long term people move, look for next best alternative solutions (Tiny Homes, roommates, co-ops, and even 5 family ownership deals in larger Mansion homes that offer a better value).

      Point being, housing can only go as high as the local economy + external buyers will allow. Inflation wont change this if wages are "Sticky". (Long term wages will go up, but savings will have gone down for quite a while, slowing 20% down payments and other factors, so at some point the housing market will move back in sync)

    41. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which explains why the super rich (those who make Gates look like a pauper) lobby for ZIRP and NIRP.

    42. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I think a better analogy would be AQ calling for killing HW to cripple the US government, even though he's not part of the government any more and hasn't been for many, many years and is quite elderly and liable to pass away from natural causes at any time. Basically, AQ seems to be stuck in a time vortex and not realize that the year is 2016, not 1996.

    43. Re: Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Fortunately for us, they said they were only going to target successful businessmen.

    44. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Al-Qaeda still exists?

    45. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The CPI isn't BS at all. I'm certainly old enough to have seen how prices have varied over the years, and they've barely changed in a couple of decades, in fact many things are quite a bit cheaper. Cars aren't really any more expensive than they were 20 years ago (you get a lot more car now for $20k than you did back then), gasoline is only a bit more expensive, food is a little more, computers are far, far less, music is cheaper, video games are about the same. Most various knick-knacks are cheaper since they're all made in China now. And it's possible to get a lot of stuff much cheaper than before because of the internet, Ebay, Amazon, etc.

      What's really changed is housing costs. They've gone through the roof. So that changes the budget for everything else. The other thing that's changed a lot is healthcare costs (and associated insurance premiums, which are related; ACA helped hold them down a bit, but it did nothing to control the actual cost of care so it keeps rocketing up). These (AFAIK) are not tracked by the CPI because they're not "consumer items", even though most everyone has to pay for them.

    46. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      By definition, you can't kill the top %0.1 by killing the incumbents, because they're replaced immediately by the next runners-up.

      And even if you ignore my pedantic description of how percentages work, the fact is that killing of today's elites without ending the root causes of income disparity is only going to result in an endless cycle of killing rich people off.

      Only... the new rich people won't be stupid enough to let you kill them they way their predecessors went.

    47. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry... Am I "punching down"?

      More like clumsily sissy-slapping in a vaguely downwards direction.

    48. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by sjames · · Score: 1

      Since that something includes enabling the e-mail and document virus, I'm not so sure Clooney wouldn't be the better target...

    49. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      I agree - targeting Bill Gates today is pretty useless. Larry Ellison on the other hand might cause a bigger splash.

      Targeting the Windows validation server infrastructure would however cause a bigger impact if all backup keys were destroyed.

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    50. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most of this stuff is due to pure ignorance of how America works. Their minds are focused on the idea of a centralized source of power. A supreme leader or a king.
      The U.S. in general has power distributed where someone can be valuable however not indispensable. In theory you can kill the CEO's of the fortune 500 and still the U.S. Economy will still run. Their wealth will be transferred to next of kin, their investments will still be moving most companies can keep up to day to day operations for an while before they can replace the loss in leadership.

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    51. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by swb · · Score: 2

      I think you're on the right path and I really want to comment but I'm too darned afraid of being dragged out of bed in the middle of the night or put on some kind of a watch list.

    52. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Earthquake+Retrofit · · Score: 1

      Inflation impacts everyone but doesn't hurt everyone. It hits the poor a lot harder than the rich.

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    53. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      If you really want to hurt the wealthy, raise inflation. A lot.

      - ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa :) Money printing does not take away somebody's factory but it DOES make them MOVE that factory from Detroit to Mexico or China. You think inflation hurts 'the rich'? Seriously? Many of 'the rich' love inflation, many of 'the rich' are also the people running banks and other institutions directly connected to the government and the government has already been producing amazing amounts of inflation, printing money, handing the new money out to 'the rich'. Inflation destroys the poor by pushing manufacturing and other productive sectors out of the economy to other economies, with less inflation and inflation seriously hurts people who live on fixed incomes. Inflation also is a major cause for rising prices and if you think that 'the rich' suffer the most when potato prices go up you should rethink your understanding of what 'the rich' and 'the poor' eat today.

    54. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While I wish no harm upon Bill Gates - in spite of being vehemently anti-Microsoft myself - I don't see what Al-Qaeda could expect to accomplish by killing him. He stepped down how many years ago from the top of Microsoft? This seems about as logical as watching too many reruns of ER and then deciding to kill George Clooney to harm our health care system.

      The Gates Foundation funds education, including education for girls.

      An educated populous is the greatest threat to a theocracy.

      This is what naming Gates is all about.

    55. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Like Jeb Bush, Al-Qaeda has an excellent donor network to fund future activities.

      Like Jeb Bush, Al-Queda is a has-been, and donors have moved on, to Trump and ISIS respectively.

    56. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      While I wish no harm upon Bill Gates - in spite of being vehemently anti-Microsoft myself

      Same here. I can't stand him, but I don't wish him any harm.

      It's ridiculous to think that killing him would have any actual effect on the US economy. The Al-Qaeda people must be huffing chemtrails.

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    57. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      I went the other way. What's with the "which is absolutely sickening" line? They're talking about murdering people. Murder is a thing. It's murder; it's not special. Brown people in Uganda get murdered. White people get murdered trying to drive through gang neighborhoods at night. Black people get murdered trying to walk through East Texas during the day. What's so special about rich people that we're supposed to feel more or less disturbed that people want to murder them?

    58. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An educated populous

      populace

    59. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention they have no idea how business or real governments run. Killing the head of a major corporation will only change the head, nothing else. They have no idea that the heads of the corporations really are just that, a talking head with little ability to steer much of anything. Just like the President. Sure those talking heads can do some change and some damage, but too much of either in the wrong direction gets them fired by their bosses...

      They really don't understand freedom and democracy, it's not something you can kill, ever.

    60. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They did more damage to the US economy by using airplanes to take down the Twin Towers, than the damage done to the Twin Towers. This just proves it was an accident they were successful.

      If they wanted to collapse the US economy, they should bomb 5 airports with bombs inside luggage that goes off in the scanner line. All 5 within 1 minute of each other spread around. Then, two weeks later, set off 5 more in the ticketing lines. Then, presuming the response is greater curb-side inspections, wait another few weeks and set off car bombs.

      Attacking the security perimeter shows that the idea of a perimeter is the failure, and nobody will ever feel safe again. Random acts of terrorism that attacks the common person will do more. Hijack a pizza delivery guy and deliver a bomb instead. Nobody will order delivery food again, if they fear getting a bomb instead. The terror will cripple the US economy.

    61. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      The Gates Foundation funds education, including education for girls.

        An educated populous is the greatest threat to a theocracy.

        This is what naming Gates is all about.

      Yeah, but that has nothing to do with harming the US economy. And given how it's run, Gates probably spends very little time managing it, so even if the Gates are murdered, the foundation's work continues on.

      And for the big companies, there already are succession plans.

      To harm the US economy by killing one or two targets is extremely tough. You could try to devastate the ground reference station of GPS, given its use in the economy, but given it's US Air Force and all, well, that's a bit difficult. (GPS is now a cornerstone of much economic activity, so disrupting it would have an effect).

      You could try taking down retail giants like Amazon, but Amazon again is widely distributed and even Bezos probably doesn't spend much time on day to day management, so you'd have to kill Amazon's datacenters.

      Perhaps a more juicy target would be Google, for their reach is immense and taking Google down will break wide swaths of the Internet. But again, Google's infrastructure is pretty distributed as well.

      Tim Cook might be a target - he's openly gay, and leads a very popular company, so he's pretty much the only target that might disrupt things a bit

    62. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - And if they really wanted to fuck America, they could take out Bernie AND Hillary, leaving Trump the only candidate with any chance of becoming president.

      Why do you think Biden didn't run?! As a fail safe for exactly this scenario, although I suspect the Democrats anticipated an attack from GOP wing nuts not Al Qaeda... although who's to say that Trump wouldn't hire some, Weimar Germany brown-shirt style, to give him a coup-de-grace?

    63. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can they start with Trump and the Koch brothers, please?

    64. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      [...] An educated populous is the greatest threat to a theocracy.

      Wow, the mind numbing irony is... mind numbing. It is that Common Core "edackation" at work.

      Also Bill and Melinda fund nothing, absolutely nothing without strings attached. Common core for example. To get Bill's money schools have to provide 400 data points, per child, every year to Bill, Microsoft and its affiliates. Yeah, philanthropy indeed.

    65. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by lgw · · Score: 2

      Housing isn't apples-to-apples. When I was a kid, everyone I knew had more people than rooms in their house, or about the same number if they were doing well. Now the expectation is that you have at least as many bedrooms as people who live in a place, plus some common rooms. The housing boom that ended in the mid-2000s bubble was mostly about this transition.

      Health care is even more apples and oranges. Health care would be cheap indeed if all we had was 1950s-style care. It's expensive because we have MRIs and CAT scans and miracle wonder drugs.

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    66. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by slew · · Score: 1

      Well, George Clooney is trying to get the world to do something about Darfur (how the mostly Muslim government is attempting to exterminate non-arabs in the Darfur region of the Sudan) and Bill Gates is leading the world in vaccination and a fake vaccination program outed Bin-laden...

    67. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AQ missed it's opportunity on 9/11. Four planes were hijacked. The Pentagon was an alternate target, likely picked because the President was not at the White House as was expected. The flight that crashed in Pennsylvania was most likely suppose to hit the Capitol. So we would have had a case where the stock market was hard hit because of the attack on New York and both the Congress and the Presidency was taken out. Their goal was to decapitate the U.S. government. Of course they didn't really understand that the VP would have moved into the President's spot almost immediately. Probably would have declared martial law if Congress had been neutralized. No telling what Chaney would have done with no counterbalance. Probably invoked something even worse than the Patriot act by Executive Order.
      Though its likely that there actually would have been a few senators and congress members who survived even a devastating attack on the Capitol. They could have been in the tunnels or one of the office buildings. In the long run we probably would have had congressional elections by spring of 2002. Meanwhile we would still have been a functional country, with the same government.

    68. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and Florida is under 2 meters of water, Santa Claus is a mass murderer, hurricanes are at an all time high and space aliens fly out of your ass every morning.

      On the internet anyone can type anything they want... doesn't make it true.

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    69. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by almostadnsguy · · Score: 1

      MMMmmm Ice Cream....

    70. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by bkmoore · · Score: 1

      They come from a "low trust society."....This makes things like disaster recovery and business continuity much easier....That is why this tactic would work very well over there....Talk about unintended consequences!

      You just summed up our entire military strategy in the middle east for the past 15 years or so. It hasn't worked.

    71. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by HiThere · · Score: 1

      How long a run? It was a bad thing during the lifetimes of almost everyone around at the time, and we don't know the really long term effect yet. Currently it seems like it was a good thing, but the future is hard to predict.

      However, do remember, it was a bad thing during the lifetimes of almost everyone around at the time.

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    72. Re: Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeb Bush still exists?

    73. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

      So, really, they're the Microsoft of terrorist organizations!

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    74. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm solidly middle class, and I'm definitely invested in "efficient assets." In fact, I believe I've recently been investing in Apple.

      http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/16/investing/warren-buffett-berkshire-hathaway-apple/

    75. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is also the issue of security. Getting even near a top figure is pretty much impossible.

      AQ can toot this in their propaganda magazine, but it boils down to belling the cat. Someone has to go out there and do it, and with basic security (hint, between random routes, overwatch protection, and many other things), it just isn't going to happen.

      If there is one thing that governments and tycoons know... it is physical security, and this is pretty much a well-solved problem, and has been for decades.

    76. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Is he really being philanthropic now? The last time I checked the Gates Foundation was acting as a non-profit MSWindows marketing organization. Admittedly that was over a decade ago.

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    77. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by euroq · · Score: 1

      A google search for Ayn Rand's "Rapture of the Rich" turns up only two entries, both slashdot comments. What exactly is it?

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    78. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SQUIRREL!!!1!!

    79. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be honest, Napoleon was a big step up and giant modernization from the bourbon monarchy.

      Its also fair to say that the revolution of 1795 was the beginning for the end for monarchism in France.

      After napoleon was defeated, the bourbon monarchy was restored but it didn't last long until Napoleon III took over. After the second Napoleon was overthrown, France became a republic for good.

      You can say the same about Oliver Cromwell and the english civil war. Parliament's power rapidly expanded under Cromwell. After he died and the monarchy took over again, they never had absolute reign again. They would slowly wane in power until they became figureheads.

    80. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Actually I think you're doing a very clumsy job of "mind-reading" by projecting what could get you into that kind of situation onto them.

      This is occasionally useful, but it works a lot better if you know the situation and the people you're projecting onto. And even then you need to use large error-bars.

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    81. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well then you're targeting the people that actually control this world, their governments and armies. So you would open yourself to an ass whoopin. Come on man, this ain't the movies.

    82. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 2

      what happens if you kill the .01% and keep culling until it doesn't exist anymore?

      You're left with just the people who don't understand percentages.

      And people who don't understand Zeno's "Achilles and the Tortoise" paradox.

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    83. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by bobaferret · · Score: 1

      That is really the question. In the longest run, has not almost the entire world benefited from the lessons learned, and the changes made during that time? Will it have to happen again?

    84. Re: Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      mind blown, just like when i learned the acronym gnu.

    85. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by HiThere · · Score: 1

      What's special about (some) rich people is the same thing that's special about movie stars. Lots of people look at their picture and say "Gee, I wish I was him!", so they feel injured when their idol is injured.

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    86. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They pay our salaries?

    87. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1
      Higher inflation:
      Winners: People with pre-existing debt. People with assets.
      Losers: Lenders of pre-existing loans. People with money.

      People with "money" (i.e. wealthy people), don't always have a lot of "money" (cash). If they have investments in things like stock, gold, real estate, etc, they will not be affected by higher inflation. If they have a mortgage on a giant mansion, higher inflation means that paying it off just became a lot easier.

      Higher inflation just shifts money between different groups of rich people.

    88. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost as though people are more alike than they are different.

    89. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by avandesande · · Score: 1

      You forgot medicine and education as well....

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    90. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think a better analogy would be AQ calling for killing HW to cripple the US government, even though he's not part of the government any more and hasn't been for many, many years and is quite elderly and liable to pass away from natural causes at any time. Basically, AQ seems to be stuck in a time vortex and not realize that the year is 2016, not 1996.

      Hank Williams died in the 50's.

    91. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I'm not comparing the 50s to now, I'm comparing the 1990s to now. We still have most of the same houses, the expectations (bedrooms-per-person) are the same, and healthcare hasn't changed that much in that time. We had MRIs and CATs in the 90s too. But all these things are much more expensive now.

    92. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      So in the long run, was the french revolution a good thing or a bad thing?

      It was great for power hungry politicians outside the system to put their greedy hands in charge instead...with attendant corruption wealth.

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    93. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And maybe even for building a new home and doing some additional purchases of personal nature.

    94. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by rbrander · · Score: 2

      And people who don't understand it was tried for several thousand years. No, seriously.

      I can't think of any better descriptions of feudalism than the concentration of what little mobile wealth there was into 0.01%, who then proceed to kill each other over those spoils, ad infinitum. Look how few noble houses really made it more than 3 or 4 generations. Skim down the "92 hereditary members" of the British House of Lords and note how few of the "th" numbers are in the teens...and of course we're several generations away from real feudalism there now. Mostly, noble houses killed each other off; if not totally, then so that individual lines had no male heirs and the title started with a new "the 1st".

      You know the rest: there was ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS somebody up for the job of "guy who basically owns nearly everything in the county". You'd never, ever run out. If "Game of Thrones" (I mean, knowing it's based on histories more than fantasies) doesn't clear that up, "The Walking Dead" clarifies that somebody is up for the job of "Local 1%" even if there's less than 100 people left.

    95. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      This just is not true. Food (groceries) have increased significantly, by nearly a third in the last 4-5 years. Although Meat has mostly been unaffected. How Goldman Sachs Created the Food Crisis | Foreign Policy

    96. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Caesar+Tjalbo · · Score: 1

      They should be looking to the future. I'm an atheist myself but for the likes of Gates I sincerely hope there's an oldfashioned hell.

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    97. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by rbrander · · Score: 1

      Not forgetting the 30% drop in number of people in the house, I trust:

      http://www.statista.com/statis...

      Also, I would put the housing boom down more to more people wanting single-family-detached and wanting *ownership* rather than apartment rental. Ownership had both psych value (it passes down from the Depression era and is carried in by many immigrants that ownership of home and a yard you can garden provides independence in times of poor economy) and real value, in that the bubble made them look like by far the best investments available to lower-middle-class: what do they know about whether Lyft will beat Uber? But they know housing has gone up for decades.

    98. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like Mr. Gates, opportunistic and predatory behavior and all. Without him you're left with what ifs. if it wasn't him, if it wasn't Windows, if it wasn't Microsoft.... Sometimes cattle need a good prodding.

      The dumbest thing about alqueda saying this shit... Is that it illustrates a true lack of understanding of an economy, who do they think they are Robin Hood?

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    99. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by denzacar · · Score: 1

      ...the nation's most capable business leaders abruptly disappearing, leaving their industries to failure.
      The most recent of these is Ellis Wyatt, the sole founder and supervisor of Wyatt Oil, who leaves his most successful oil well spewing petroleum and fire into the air (later named "Wyatt's Torch").
      Each of these men remains absent despite a thorough search by politicians. While economic conditions worsen and government agencies enforce their control on successful businesses, the citizens are often heard repeating "Who is John Galt?", in response to questions to which the individual has no answer.

      ...

      Eventually, this search reveals the reason of business-leaders' disappearances, when Dagny pursues a scientist to 'Galt's Gulch', where the character John Galt is leading an organized "strike" of business leaders against the government.

      Draw your own conclusions about how that fits into OP's reply to a post asking about what would happen if 0.01%-ers were "removed" from the planet.
      And what kind of a "fantasy" works of Ayn Rand are supposed to be.

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    100. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, inflation only makes them more powerful. Want to hurt the wealthy? Deflation is what will do it, where the price of goods drops so people with currency find it more affordable to buy stuff. Any person who is rich enough, knows well about inflation, and is buying up property and other assets not tied to currencies.

      Ever notice that the price of precious metals has gone up by 50% in the past few weeks? Now you know.

    101. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CPI is BS. Look at standard food packaging. Coffee and sugar used to come in one or five pound bags. Now it is all sub-16 ounces. This also happens with cereal, and numerous other packaged food. Food inflation is real, they are just trying to hide it by shrinking the packaging. Now is a perfect time to switch to metric...

    102. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by halivar · · Score: 1

      The French were neither the first, nor the most successful at transitioning towards and equitable society. The French Revolution was a complete, murderous fuck up. It was so bad that the French put off democracy for another 50 years.

    103. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sure it's not Al Quida, but someone who had his computer updated to Windows 10 and now his printer doesn't work, some programs got uninstalled, and his privacy is pants?

    104. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Because he didn't make movies that gross millions and millions of dollars....

    105. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Dr_Terminus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The funny thing is that this is almost a reflection of the West's understanding of how Al Qaeda works. How long did we focus on going after Bin Laden or any of the other top guys, as if taking out those guys is sufficient to wipe out an entire ideology. Likely the mis-targeted drone strikes and other operations undertaken to eliminate these figureheads only served to bring more to the extremist ideology.

    106. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mostly correct yes, but for the exact opposite reason. They're proposing to kill who they view as the "prime movers" in our economy and expect that killing them would cause our economy to crumble, because that's what would happen to them. We've gone over there and tried to eliminate the worst actors in the region, and expect it to enable those who remain to live in peace, because that's what we would do. But we're both wrong for the same reason: we don't understand our enemy.

    107. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about we're upset that anyone *wants* to murder anyone else...?

    108. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you really want to hurt the wealthy, raise inflation. A lot.

      Wrong. If you really want to hurt the wealthy, tax wealth. A lot.

    109. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by magarity · · Score: 1

      And what would the world be like if we started killing the richest people in the world? I'm not for killing anyone ever, but what happens if you kill the .01% and keep culling until it doesn't exist anymore?

      You seem to think the estate would simply vanish in a poof of smoke instead of being inherited by someone.

    110. Re: Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gates is the super rich, and no one makes him look like a pauper.

    111. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by jc42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Coffee and sugar used to come in one or five pound bags. Now it is all sub-16 ounces.

      Huh? Just this morning, I bought a 7-pound bag of sugar. Granted, that's about a year's supply for the two of us. (And it's mostly an artifact of my local reputation as a maker of good margaritas. ;-) It isn't at all hard to find sugar packaged in 2- or 5-pound bags hereabouts; most of the food stores that I frequent sell it that way. Coffee I've always bought in sub-pound packages, mostly because the taste tends to decay slowly, and it's more noticeable the larger the package is. The advent of home and in-store coffee grinding machines was the main cause of the switch to smaller packages, rather than the price. (The real coffee connoisseurs buy the beans green, and roast and grind it themselves, but their numbers are too small to seriously affect prices. ;-)

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    112. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The populous...what? Populace?

    113. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >An educated populous is the greatest threat to a theocracy.

      An educated populace would be an even bigger threat!

    114. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cut off one head, two more shall take it's place. Hail Hydra!

    115. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Once respected and grew fat? I think you're looking for Chris Christie. TBF he was already fat when most of us knew him; but GWB was never respected and he's in good physical shape.

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    116. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by hey! · · Score: 1

      Basically most calamities are going to leave the wealthiest people relatively better off than everyone else. That's because their wealth is largely in forms that can be moved away from problems and toward opportunities with the click of a mouse. About the only thing that affects them equally is some kind of sudden and massive collapse in financial markets.

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    117. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Probably a reference to Atlas Shrugged.

      IIRC the rich leave society and start their own where hard work is valued.

    118. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except if they were to bomb the right power substations, or take out the right internet backbone routers, the US economy would flatline in a week, due to inability to process transactions.

      So in a way, we DO have a centralized source of power, it's just not some mobile living asset like a supreme leader or king, but a very stationary and much more vulnerable piece of equipment.

    119. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what would the world be like if we started killing the richest people in the world? I'm not for killing anyone ever, but what happens if you kill the .01% and keep culling until it doesn't exist anymore?

      After you kill enough to demonstrate the pattern those remaining (induing the heirs of those who killed) raise an army and try kill you back.

      If it turns out you have enough popular support and blind luck on your side and you win the ensuing war it's called a revolution, and you get to be the next .01% otherwise it's called terrorism or treason and you get to be used an an example of a fool for generations to come.

    120. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably a reference to Atlas Shrugged.

      IIRC the rich leave society and start their own where hard work is valued.

      Oh, my! That is hysterically funny! No, seriously! The rich valuing hard work. As if!

    121. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is their forced update in action! So how do we silence the nagging?

    122. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Al-Queda? I thought the kids were calling that group ISIS these days.. wow.. Totally Rad!

    123. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Gates Foundation funds education, including education for girls.

      The Gates Foundation also funds anti-science wackofems who are scaring women out of STEM careers.

    124. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by meerling · · Score: 1

      Not sure if that applies to alqaeda. Maybe you should go with crimes against humanity.

    125. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by meerling · · Score: 1

      Nope, alqueda is the ones that told isis to chill, they are too radical and will piss off all their potential allies. Well, isis didn't chill, and no longer has the support of a whole chunk of the terrorist enablement system apparently. Or at least that's what I've seen reported as personally I have no idea wtf goes on over there. I suspect the heat and sun has baked too many brains too much.

    126. Re: Wow, they really are stuck in the past by meerling · · Score: 1

      To both,unfortunately :(

    127. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't it funny how people who arrogantly boast that "the truth hurts" inevitably fail to tell it?

    128. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by meerling · · Score: 2

      The bequests in his will are public knowledge, and it's not going to the government. In fact, it pretty much won't change the economic situation in the US in the slightest, except maybe the 7-11 he goes to won't carry that one flavor anymore...

    129. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by meerling · · Score: 1

      Larry Ellison? Yeah, it'll make things a tad more sane and stable.

    130. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by meerling · · Score: 1

      Actually 9/11 did a lot more damage to the US economy than killing of a hundred CEOs or Billionaires ever would.
      You have no idea how many companies had very important servers in those buildings. I spend weeks helping numerous admins trying to get things working again after that major hardware failure event. (Ok, it wasn't the hardwares fault, an entire building, a skyscraper in fact, fell on them.)

    131. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Like the other responder, I have no idea what you're talking about. I, too, bought a bag of sugar recently. I'm not going to run down and look at the label, but I think it was probably at least 1 or 2 pounds. And I got it at Walmart of all places. And this was some kind of fancy organic sugar. They also have 1-pound bags of brown sugar, which I get too (it's quite cheap).

      If you can't find 1+ pound bags of sugar, you're not looking very hard.

      They also have "family size" boxes of cereal these days that are much larger than the cereal boxes I used to get as a kid in the 80s.

    132. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You must not have read my comment; I specifically called out "healthcare costs".

      Good point about education though. That one's through the roof too.

    133. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Lennie · · Score: 1

      Which is funny because the goal of the terrorists is to strike fear into the hearts of the citizens of the US, but the US media is already doing a fine job at that. ;-)

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    134. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Billg still controls Microsoft. Nadella would be out in an instant without support from Gates.

      While I too do not advocate physically harming Bill Gates, it verges on comical to suppose that the US economy would be harmed if he disappeared. Rather the opposite. At the very least, releasing even a small portion of those siloed ill-gotten gains back to productive circulation would benefit the economy.

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    135. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      So, really, they're the Microsoft of terrorist organizations!

      You mean to say that Microsoft is not the ISIS of software organizations?

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    136. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Larry Ellison gone would probably boost the economy. Just talk to anybody that has to use Oracle's bad and expensive products.

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    137. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      You're a bit late to the race war category. That was the prediction from end of Jim Crow to the 90's or so. The echo chamber has much newer items to be afraid of you just need to brush up a little and you will be up to speed on the new "scary".

    138. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Incidentally, also the plot of Bioshock.

    139. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe it's because of Common Core....

    140. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Actually Al Qaeda is a top down organization. They swear loyalty to the leadership like fealty to a king. Attacks on the leadership significantly weakened them. I doubt you can argue that the Al Qaeda is a shadow of it's former self strength wise.

      Yes there will always be radicals in it's orbit but it's most important strength is it's ability to draw donations and man power, both of which have been degraded significantly by the loss of leadership. Bin ladin was the number one fund raiser, being Saudi and Arab he brought credibility (you need to understand that Muslims are brought up to believe Saudi Arabs are better than everyone else). The new leader Al-zawari is an Egyptian and a shit fundraiser. There has been a no doubt reduction is their prestige in the Jihadii movement and their ability to project power. ISIS stole their thunder for the most part and co-opted the Jihad movement and the drone strikes decimated their intermediate leadership and prevented the higher ups from even talking to anyone.

    141. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      I don't see what Al-Qaeda could expect to accomplish by killing him.

      It's more a political thing -- they get a lot of funding from Big Malaria.

    142. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why as a poor person I've been buying up real estate and land. If y think that you cannot afford to buy land, then c'est la vie, there's nothing that can help you.

    143. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I wish no harm upon Bill Gates - in spite of being vehemently anti-Microsoft myself - I don't see what Al-Qaeda could expect to accomplish by killing him.

      Shut up already. Next you'll be telling them not to kill that fucker Ellison, or Donald Trump.

      People like you are the reason we can't have nice things.

    144. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by TooManyNames · · Score: 1

      Zeno's paradoxes apply to the jump from continuous to discrete mathematics. Culling 0.01% of a given population is not an exercise in continuous math, it's very obviously discrete (unless you think there are infinitely many people inhabiting the earth).

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    145. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by BoogieChile · · Score: 1

      About as much sense as getting Bill Gates to help "close up that internet" and probably aimed at the same sort of people. A different religion, a different set of clothes, the lack of power and hope are probably about the same.

    146. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by catmistake · · Score: 1

      I don't think for long, now they have named Mr. Gates as a target, the world's richest man's (more or less) decadently well-funded security team is very likely now targeting them. I wonder how many ex-special forces work for him, and how many more will now be hired.

    147. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but now you can buy sugar in 25lbs bags. That's almost a lifetime supply for $30 unless you are making your own rum. I don't remember, but I think it's $10 cheaper at costco.

    148. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Education costs are about the cheapest they've ever been

    149. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, inflation only makes them more powerful. Want to hurt the wealthy? Deflation is what will do it, where the price of goods drops so people with currency find it more affordable to buy stuff. Any person who is rich enough, knows well about inflation, and is buying up property and other assets not tied to currencies.

      Ever notice that the price of precious metals has gone up by 50% in the past few weeks? Now you know.

      You are correct.
      It's not money that the .01% are after, it's the ownership of property and assets.
      Inflation is great if you're the first one to get your hands on the new money.
      You spend it to buy assets.

    150. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they want to have a real impact, they should start executing the highest ranking members of the entire US Government.
      At least that way they'd be doing us a favor by shrinking the Government and returning power back to the people where it rightly belongs.

    151. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by clovis · · Score: 1

      And what would the world be like if we started killing the richest people in the world? I'm not for killing anyone ever, but what happens if you kill the .01% and keep culling until it doesn't exist anymore?

      The result would be the same as if the richest people in the world lived for 80~90 years and then each died in their own time.

      Besides, if you really want to improve the world by killing people, wouldn't you start by killing from the bottom level?
      This sort of idea has been tried already, both ways. You should already know how well it didn't work.

    152. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry Al-Qaeda, Even if you are successful killing Bill Gates, it's far too late to stop the spread of Windows 10... Perhaps you could contribute code to an OSS project to improve the attractiveness of linux. If everything is free that would also harm the corporations or cause them to morph into a more human friendly non-profit structure.

    153. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by suupaabaka · · Score: 1

      You led me on a Wikipedia trail, resulting in the revelation that there are French monarchists around who think 29 year old Jean-Cristophe, descendant of Napoleon Bonaparte, should be the head of the Imperial House of France...

      Huh.

    154. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      That's a pile of crap. It's a simple fact that college tuitions and fees have gone up far greater than the rate of inflation over the last 20 years. You can try to spin it as some kind of "investment" all you want, but the inflation rate is a simple known quantity, and the cost of tuition over time is easily looked up too. Those are the only data points you need.

    155. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      They do, but not in the form they used to run. Once a relatively tight-knit group (if large at several hundred individuals), they've mostly allowed their name to be used by other groups (al-Qaeda in Iraq [now ISIS after a falling-out], in the Islamic Maghreb, in Yemen, etc.) that theoretically follow their cause. They're not completely incapacitated, but their ability to operate in modern economies has been severely hampered.

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    156. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      A slashdot comment! Perhaps an allusion to Atlas Shrugged.

    157. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pray tell... Why don't you explain to the NSA Agents reading this conversation exactly what IS the truth?

      Did Uncle Sam 'splode a drone-strike over your nephew's wedding? Are drunk american soldiers defiling the holy-land with the corrupting influence of their alcohol and pornography? Did McDonald's Corporation drop your hamburger on the floor and serve it you anyway?

      Now is your moment of truth to justify your "Inspire" magazine subscription with a tear-jerking story of Zionist oppression, crusades, and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire! Hell, maybe if you make another run at Rome you can get closer to the Pope this time?

      Currently the Habsburgs are making your lot look bad! Party like it's 652 A.D. amirite? Make Mohammad proud and tell this Kafir "what's up"!

      Fucking dweeb.

    158. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      There is a vast difference between protecting someone from an assassin who is trying to get away with murder and one that does not care whether or not they get caught or even remain intact. It seems odd that they opt for random rich people to target an economy, rather than the effective decision makers in those industries driving foreign policy decision making, all those unmentioned executives and directors. Sounds pretty scammy, like those unmentioned military industrial complex executives and board members are looking to turn other wealthy people into targets for purposes of propaganda and to drive further military industrial spending.

      So say, setting up someone like Trump up for assassination even though he logically favours infrastructure spending over military industrial complex spending (simply favouring areas where he financially benefits over other areas), upon that basis Al Qaeda should logically favour him over someone like Phebe Novakovic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ie someone who opposes war over those who clearly favour it. Also normally, the expectation would be logically, they would seek to assassinate a few before making the announcement, kind of makes it a whole lot easier and far more effective. The pre-notice is deeply disturbing as likely are few unaffiliated wealthy people, especially those who oppose the military industrial complex will become targets.

      Economically speaking, churning over those at the top, also tends to do more good than harm, their decision making often becoming bogged down in ego and doing more harm than good and of course it generates wealth churn, money changing hands, news sales, investments and purchases. Perhaps they are even looking to blame commentators on the side lines ie why are terrorist blowing up poor people that make no decisions instead of the rich people making all of the decision, even targeting corrupt politicians (unless they are autocrats) is pretty useless as they are only talking heads and can be readily replaced (so does writing that logical statement make me a target for investigation, past, present or future).

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    159. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's .01% all the way down

    160. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, let me get on my soap box. Inflation only hurts the poor if their ability to purchase things decreases. If I'm making $10 in year one, and I can buy 10 lbs of groceries with it,, and in year 10 I'm making $20 and I can still buy that same $10 lbs of groceries, then as a poor person, all is well. Let's say instead that in year 10 I'm making $15 and I can only buy 7.5 lbs of groceries. That's a problem. If enough of that goes on, people start to starve and riot in the streets.

      A major problem in America is that although productivity has gone through the roof in the last 50 years per poor person, a poor person's ability to buy groceries has actually gone down. There are a lot of people who are relying on a government handout, and if those handouts stopped things would get ugly.

      As a rich person, I care a lot less about whether I'm paying $10 or $20 for my groceries. Instead, I care about whether the $1 million I invested last year is going to still be worth a similar amount next year. This is were inflation really bites; if that $1 million is just sitting there, it'll gradually lose value until it's worth a lot less than when it started. On the other hand, if it's invested, there's a chance it'll lose value quickly, but most often it will gain value gradually and basically keep pace with inflation.

    161. Re: Wow, they really are stuck in the past by joelharrison · · Score: 1

      Richest person in the world. That's why

    162. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      ACA helped hold them down a bit.

      The ACA has roughly doubled medical insurance costs in 6 years and it isn't over yet.

      FDA restrictions and bribes and other corrupt deals are adding to the medical cost explosion. Between that and school system featherbedding the general economy is in significant danger.

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    163. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      You've cited the Wasington Post, hardly an unbiased source. That article is fairly clever, slightly changing the subject in the answer to each question.

      In 1970, a student could pay for tuition, room, and board at the most expensive US universities by working a full time entry level job. This is no longer possible, by a factor of 2.

      Put another way, the ratio of the cost of a year at an expensive college to the cost of a loaf of white bread was 17,000 in 1970. It's now about 50,000.

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    164. Re: Wow, they really are stuck in the past by amias · · Score: 0

      Replace heat and sun with western interference and it makes sense

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    165. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have they not seen Windows 10 Mobile? Damage to the US Economy? That ship has sailed..

    166. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      more vibrant leaders willing to take more risks. In short, it may actually stimulate the economy

      More risks? What is your definition of risk? I haven't seen any sane person defining anything essentially other than "endeavour with low probability of success". Now you are saying more risks means high probability of succcess?

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    167. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by bungo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The bombers of the airport in Brussels exploded their bombs in the check-in area (before the passport control and even further from the baggage scanners). When the airport reopened, they had pushed the security as far back as they could.

      There are now military+police checkpoints for cars before you get near the airport, just off the highway exits. It would be difficult to get a car bomb past. You have to get dropped off in a specific car park and walk up to 2 km to get to the security queue to get into the temporary airport buildings.

      The queue for the next security check, where they check bags is about 500m long. Everyone is in a very long, thin queue. If there were bombs in the bags to be checked in, the best they could do is explode in the queue outside of the building, which would cause little damage, except to the few within 10m or so.

      The end result is a nightmare of an airport, with people avoiding it and not flying. Passenger numbers are way down. A friend who flew recently took 4 hours to get through the security lines and to his flight. He just made it, even though it was a morning flight, and he arrived 4 hours in advance, at around 6am. I would hate to see the queue at 10am or later.

      It hasn't crippled the economy, but has really screwed the operators of the airport and all of the airlines using it.

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    168. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's amazing how slowly they learn... Took them years to figure out the shoe bombing thing to get past metal detectors, and then 15 years to figure out the "attack the undefended waiting area" trick instead of trying to sneak onto a plane.

      I guess that's the problem with suicide attacks. You invest all this time and energy training people, and then they kill themselves and it's all lost. They are short sighted too, because they don't think past their own death, and are obsessed with trying to maximize the impact of their one chance, hence the obsession with transport. If they were planning a long running campaign with multiple attacks, they would be smarter.

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    169. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Does the obscurity help or hurt them I wonder....

    170. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      What biased sources should I be reading (googleing)?

    171. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      You also get a bigger pay boost in 2006 vs 1970 for having a college education.

    172. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by GNious · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates, via the Bill&Melinda foundation, is allegedly trying to improve living-conditions for some of the poorest people on this planet - this runs counter to the goal of extremist Islamic leaders.

    173. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Simple calculus explains that one. It just took another 2000 years for Newton to invent it.

    174. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      And people who don't understand it was tried for several thousand years. No, seriously.

      By "it", I assume you mean Zeno's "Achilles and the Tortoise" paradox, in which case, no, it was not tried for several thousand years, as Achilles is a fictional character and tortoises don't live for thousands of years.

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    175. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      Zeno's paradoxes apply to the jump from continuous to discrete mathematics.

      Some of them do. Some of them don't. The "Achilles and the Tortoise" paradox doesn't. It has more to do with the convergence of the p-series (1/n^p where p>1).

      Culling 0.01% of a given population is not an exercise in continuous math, it's very obviously discrete (unless you think there are infinitely many people inhabiting the earth).

      It's not "very obvious" that we must round down. If we round to the nearest integer and cull less than 50% of the population per iteration, the population will never reach 0.

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    176. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a bit like Game of Thrones with the Iron bank in the TV shows. You can kill the leader of the bank, but he'll just be replaced by someone else. Gate's assets are most likely held in a living Trust. His directions on what to do with the money are pretty clear. Sure, the foundation will have lost a valuable PR person, but they still have multi-billion dollar endowment to draw from.

    177. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      There wasn't any impression that after killing Bin Laden Al Qaeda would just go away. However he was more dangerous alive than dead. There were multible targets with an attempt to create a leadership vacuum. Which for the most part worked as Al Qaeda is much less of a threat than it use to be. The problem is that ISIS took its place and they are even more nuts.

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    178. Re: Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shhhh! don't don't them any more stupid ideas. Let definitely don't want them killing celebrities let alone tech stars.

    179. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Inflation is targeted at 2% in order to introduce elasticity into labour market pricing. The price of bread can go up and down and whether you like it or not it doesn't seem weird. But if your boss said your salary was going down to reflect temporary changes in the labour market you would think them crazy. The 2% inflation rate lowers all wages by 2% every year, then wages catch up at a rate in keeping with demand.

    180. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah add to that that he is giving away millions upon millions to other nations... you actually strengthen the economy.

    181. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      also like jeb bush they want someone to kill a specific business leader.

    182. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The international jihadi movement was fragmented in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, but it started to coalesce around two groups in the 90s: al-Qaeda and the Taliban. (Hamas and Hezbollah are mostly specific to a Israel/Palestine and Lebanon, respectively, with a little bit of overlap to neighboring states.) Since then, the movement has been fragmenting again: Boko Haram arose in Nigeria, ISIS in Iraq (out of what was once al-Qaeda in Iraq), and the Taliban have split at least once and maybe twice. Al-Qaeda has tried to reinvent itself, with reports of strategic changes limiting acts against civilians (particularly Muslims) and an attempt to portray themselves as somewhat more gentle than they were, especially in the face of the savagery that ISIS has taken up.

      But with all of the attention to al-Qaeda over the years, the leadership really has dwindled, and their ability to adequately train operatives to undertake attacks against Western targets has similarly declined. The group has also proved to be far less adept at social media than is ISIS, limiting their recruiting capability for both front line forces and leadership. Most of their recruits come from areas that don't have strong connections to the outside world, limiting recruitment to more personal means. ISIS is also widely seen as the more effective group, since it's taken territory across large swaths of Iraq and Syria (though word of their losses has not been widely reported in the media and the group isn't keen to play them up), while al-Qaeda's holdings are mostly limited to small parts of Syria, Somalia, and Yemen.

      I would not be at all surprised to see that al-Qaeda ultimately outlives ISIS. The former has more experience surviving losses than the latter, which has changed names about a dozen times since forming in the late 1990s as it keeps reinventing itself.

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    183. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the info and analysis, one of those weird things I wonder about.

      Like whem here a news story, but them you never find out how it ended or never hear about it again...

    184. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your tantrum proves that you know I'm right.

    185. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by HiThere · · Score: 1

      To be fair, the system they were revolting against was as bad as Russia under the czars. The common people had essentially no rights. Even the nobles were endangered. The king of France looked the matter over and decided against even trying to make things better. We don't really know why he just shrugged his shoulders and said "After me the deluge.", but perhaps he saw no acceptable (to him) way to resolve the situation. Or perhaps he was saying "I've got mine Jack, ...".

      With that government and that situation, there may not have been a moderate solution. The Russians tried to go from an autarchy to a democracy with the Duma, and couldn't hold out against a different group of autarchs. So the French choice may not even have been wrong...as viewed from the current time through our eyes.
      (I'm using the term autarchy because I want to include both monarchs and dictators.)

      But my original point was that we still don't know what the long term effects will be. That will take a few centuries. We now pretty much know what the long term effects of the Roman Empire conquering Egypt were...though even there the echoes have died down completely. And since we will never know what the alternatives would have lead to, any evaluation has to be speculative. E.g., would an independent Egypt have prevented the spread of the Muslim religion when the Mongols sacked the Caliphate? A divine king ruling in Egypt might well have decided to not permit the Muslims to become powerful...but it would have weakened Rome and possibly strengthened Byzantium to the point where Rome would not have conquered it. And that would have drastically re-shaped history.

      Similarly, if the French Revolution had not succeeded, then Napoleon would not have arisen, and would not have swept Europe with his armies, and would not have invaded Russia, so Russia might have remained in slumber, or at least been much less paranoid about invasion from the west. It would mean that Germany would not have been re-cast into the modern form, but might well have been a bunch of small independent states. Poland might have been relatively powerful. Etc.

      So while we can see good and bad things that came from a historic event, we can't really judge whether the event was good or bad, because we don't know the alternatives. That would require a predictive model of human societies, and Hari Seldon hasn't yet appeared.

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    186. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by halivar · · Score: 1

      Hi HiThere,

      I think you bring up some great points. I'm going to respond a few things I disagree with.

      To be fair, the system they were revolting against was as bad as Russia under the czars.

      This overstates the point, I think. Russia had no burgeoning middle class, throwing new-found political clout around. There was nothing approaching the salons and political involvement of the common man. The system was still feudal, but gradual evolution in Western Europe had pulled far away from the sort of primitive serfdom that would continue to dominate Russia until the Bolshevik revolution.

      Similarly, if the French Revolution had not succeeded, then Napoleon would not have arisen, and would not have swept Europe with his armies, and would not have invaded Russia, so Russia might have remained in slumber, or at least been much less paranoid about invasion from the west.

      There were continuing animosities with Sweden regarding the disposition of Poland and Lithuania, as well as tensions with the Ottoman Turks, that held Russia's interest in Europe. Combined with Tsar Alexander's interventionist stance, Russia's continuing involvement in Europe could not have been avoided. Indeed, he was committed to ending the French experiment a decade before a disappointed Napoleon finally arrived on his charred doorstep. Now, to be sure, the Napoleonic Wars granted Russia a level of prestige among continental powers it had theretofore not enjoyed, but I think even this was simply a matter of time and recognition.

    187. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by antdude · · Score: 1

      You're a terrorist! :P

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    188. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by halivar · · Score: 1

      Ugh. Slashdot editor ate a whole paragraph about how Louis XVI tried the placate extremists in the second and third estates, and did so in good faith. It was a good paragraph. I'll miss it. :'(

    189. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

      I still haven't read the book, but haven't neo-keynesians realized that stagnation is even better for them since they can just gain more than anyone else from interest and rents (and by rents I don't mean the renting a home kind of rent)?

    190. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by HiThere · · Score: 1

      To be fair, the system they were revolting against was as bad as Russia under the czars.

      This overstates the point, I think. Russia had no burgeoning middle class, throwing new-found political clout around. There was nothing approaching the salons and political involvement of the common man. The system was still feudal, but gradual evolution in Western Europe had pulled far away from the sort of primitive serfdom that would continue to dominate Russia until the Bolshevik revolution.

      Yeah, I did overstate my point a bit. But not all that much. The middle class was rising, but its rights weren't all that secure.

      Similarly, if the French Revolution had not succeeded, then Napoleon would not have arisen, and would not have swept Europe with his armies, and would not have invaded Russia, so Russia might have remained in slumber, or at least been much less paranoid about invasion from the west.

      There were continuing animosities with Sweden regarding the disposition of Poland and Lithuania, as well as tensions with the Ottoman Turks, that held Russia's interest in Europe. Combined with Tsar Alexander's interventionist stance, Russia's continuing involvement in Europe could not have been avoided. Indeed, he was committed to ending the French experiment a decade before a disappointed Napoleon finally arrived on his charred doorstep. Now, to be sure, the Napoleonic Wars granted Russia a level of prestige among continental powers it had theretofore not enjoyed, but I think even this was simply a matter of time and recognition.

      Likewise I was being a bit optimistic about "what might have happened but didn't". Writing an alternate history is a big project, and I was just laying out some possibilities. Things could also have ended up much worse than they did.

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    191. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > An educated populous is the greatest threat to a theocracy.

      Good thing we don't have an educated POPULACE ...

    192. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a small point, but Jean-Cristophe is not a descendant of Napoleon Bonaparte, but rather descends from Napoleon's younger brother. That still makes him the head of the family.
      It's kind of an odd co-incidence that we went over the Bonaparte family this very morning in a class I'm taking. Otherwise I would have had no idea any of those people are still around.

    193. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Education costs are about the cheapest they've ever been

      They're gaming the numbers in your link, to make things look better. This happens a lot. The universities want to hide how high they've jacked up the prices, since they're terrified the public will decide to do something about it (such as support a certain potential Presidential candidate who believes in the European model of free education).

      In the 1930s, four years of Harvard cost about the same as the average yearly income (tuition $420 per year).

      Today, the same education costs about five years of an average income, a 5x increase in price (tuition almost $60k per year).

    194. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      what happens if you kill the .01% and keep culling until it doesn't exist anymore?

      You're left with just the people who don't understand percentages.

      That's right - No One.

      Pick a destination. Go 50% of the way, then 50% of the remaining distance, then another 50% then another and another etc etc. You will never get there.

      Or are you implying no one understands percentages?

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    195. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      France in the 1800's.

      Actually every decade we should kill off the top .01%. That by itself will keep the economy flowing as their cash will keep being moved instead of just sitting there.

      The rich want all these wars for oil, money and control. They can go fight them.

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    196. Re: Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah that was the first thing I thought when I read this too. Bill Gates took is money and f***ed off years ago. Pretty much the only thing he is now is the co face of his charity with his wife. What's killing him supposed to do destabilize the economy of charitable giving. Cause I thought Christmas already was doing that.

    197. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by tendrousbeastie · · Score: 1

      Sugar in the UK (my motherland) is typically sold in bags of a kilogram, approx. 2 pounds. You can also buy larger and smaller packs, but most converge around 1kg.

      Coffee (ground, for machines, not instant) tends to be sold in smaller packs, maybe 1 pound or so. I have never seen a 5 pound (2.5kg) pack of coffee for sale in Britain.

      I suspect that part of the observed trend in smaller sizes is that people tend to shop more often and buy less each time. There are more shops, more accessible to people, and so they don't so much do the big fortnightly shop, but do a few smaller trips each week.

      I wonder if this is also true of the USA, given the huge geography involved in a lot of it?

    198. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by tendrousbeastie · · Score: 1

      It really isn't a question of training or intelligence.

      If they (and by they I mean the various jihadist organistations who are taken to threaten the western world) wanted to attack us it would be trivially easy. Attacks similar to the Paris attacks of November last year take almost no planning or technology or organisation, all they take is a few (relatively) easy to acquire weapons and people willing to die.

      If it is true that there are scores of terrorists ready to attack the west then we would see these types of attacks regularly. Anyone with even a basic understanding of human psychology would have launch a second Paris or Brussels attacks a few days after the first, to maximise the fear and the reaction.

      But this doesn't happen. The idea that terrorism is threat to any country in Europe or North America does not make sense. It is not hard for them to hit us, yet they don't.

      Clearly this argument does not hold true in various other parts of the world (middle east, south-east Asia, etc.) where non-military conflict is a regular occurrence, but the flavour of those tend to be different (often between different religious sects, rather than between different political organisations).

    199. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I think it depends. Costco and similar places are popular here, so there are plenty of people who do like to buy in bulk to save money, and with large suburban houses they have room to store, for instance, gigantic packages of toilet paper. Not everyone does this though, especially people in small inner-city apartments. There's a pretty big divide between rural and urban here, and also suburban. For rural and suburban people, I think they tend to buy larger packages more often to save money and avoid needing to make so many shopping trips.

      There's probably a good reason for keeping ground coffee in smaller packages: staleness. This doesn't apply to sugar. I imagine (I'm not a coffee drinker) that big packages at Costco probably have one big box with multiple small sealed packages inside to avoid this problem.

    200. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      While I wish no harm upon Bill Gates - in spite of being vehemently anti-Microsoft myself

      I am with you on this. I disliked many business choices made by Microsoft while being directed by Gates. I think Microsoft strong-armed the distributors into anti-competitive behaviour. But he is man now... I mean he gives a lot to charity as he promised he would. I doubted he would at the time, but now he has proved he is a good person.

      I am guessing the article is somewhat symbolic and image and name of Bill Gates is well known. Propaganda is about images and emotion not truth.

  2. Woohoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally, the year of the Linux desktop

    1. Re:Woohoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally, the year of the Linux desktop

      They also tried to execute Linus Torvalds, but the execute bit was turned off

    2. Re:Woohoo by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Finland is the next target.

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    3. Re:Woohoo by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Al Qaeda should launch Sharia Linux if they want to do in Gates' work, at least in part of the world.

      To be frank, the world would probably be better off without Microsoft. They just used one monopoly to get another, killed off competition by shuffling resources from different product areas to bankrupt any threats, and made businesses dependent on their convoluted standards, whose convolution made compatibility hard to include in rival products.

      That being said, I don't condone killing stupid or evil business leaders. Instead, make them watch Justine Bieber and Miley Cyrus videos all day.

  3. Because the Quran says by Jawnn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...to murder influential people to advance your socio-economic agenda. Right? What was that passage again?

    1. Re:Because the Quran says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's the one right after the one that identifies itself as the religion of peace.

    2. Re:Because the Quran says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sura 9.

    3. Re:Because the Quran says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the Quran takes even half a page from the Torah, it should offer plenty of such passages. Half the prophets are about slaughtering off inconvenient people (just look at Jonah and others sulking when there is a divine pardon). I mean, it's a core part of the oratorio "Elias" by Mendelsson as well, so it's not like the idea isn't unpopular with Christianity.

    4. Re:Because the Quran says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What was that passage again?

      "Thou shalt kill them unbelievers."

      By going for influential people first, you're just being a bit more picky.

    5. Re:Because the Quran says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does everyone keep saying that. It is mistranslated, it is actually the religion of pieces.

    6. Re:Because the Quran says by halivar · · Score: 1

      You did not understand the message of Jonah, then. God was telling Jonah he was wrong to be uncompassionate to his enemies.

    7. Re:Because the Quran says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mohamed was a 7th century warlord who's army conquered Mecca. Lets not mention the killings or his 9 year old wife. Islam is a religion of peace.

    8. Re:Because the Quran says by ichthus · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you need to watch this, dude.

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    9. Re:Because the Quran says by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Al Qaeda was born of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. They drew lessons from that and thought they were applicable to other situations. The leadership of Al Qaeda has many mistaken views.

      The first is that the mujaheddin, the "faithful" who opposed the soviet invasion actually drove the soviets out. In reality the Soviets had them beat until Americans started funneling advanced weapons in which neutralized the Soviets weapons.

      The second is that the expense of fighting the mujaheddin was so costly it resulted in the collapse of the Soviet economy and the unwinding of the entire Soviet state and a withdrawal from "Muslim lands". Of course the reality is that Afghanistan was a side adventure for the Soviets, it was the collapse in oil prices (the only way the Soviets could earn hard currency) in the 80's along with trying to keep up with the American defense spending of the 80's that did the Soviet government in. This double wammy exhausted the currency and gold reserves of the soviet state and resulted in collapse.

      The third is that Americans were not willing to sacrifice blood and would retreat in the face of actual combat.

      The first two misconceptions have driven the entire strategy of Al Qaeda since the start. They truly believed that by drawing America into a war in the middle east that not only would America be beaten handily but that the economy would collapse and America would be forced to abandon the middle east (their goal). After the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq they thought they had triggered the end of the American empire when the crash of 2008 happened.

      The subsequent recovery has put a lie to their predictions so the natural path is to assume something prevented it. Like any good religion they've decided the reason the American economy didn't collapse was because of the wealthy Americans, not because their original assumptions were stupid and wrong. This an organization that wants to bring back slavery and the laws of 700AD Islam and that anything that goes against (capitalism and democracy) that is a perversion that's doomed to failure. The existence and success of America and western states makes this belief a lie. They will continue to come up with "reasons" why their predictions haven't come true and undoubtedly urge the killing of all kinds of people in an effort to make it happen.

      They simply don't understand America or the West and what makes us collectively strong.

    10. Re:Because the Quran says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean Judaism. The Torah is first five books of the Old Testament.

    11. Re:Because the Quran says by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know you're joking, but after seeing a few tattoos of teachings of Leviticus i can assure you that many of the most devout followers of any religious book really don't understand it. The Bible/Torah/Qu'ran can at times be seen as a Rorschach test, where you really see what's in the mind of the viewer rather than the book itself.

    12. Re:Because the Quran says by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Well, you don't get much more peaceful than a graveyard. But point me at a religion that doesn't sanction killing unbelievers. Buddhism fails because it's not a religion, and I'm not considering small sects, like the Quakers.

      It's true that the Muslim religion *has* a more violent holy book than most others, because the founder was almost compelled to become a warlord, but it wasn't a Muslim who said "Kill them all, God will know his own."

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    13. Re:Because the Quran says by bluegutang · · Score: 1

      It's been that way ever since 3 of the their first 4 caliphs were murdered.

    14. Re:Because the Quran says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Truth. Of course, the underlying assumption is still that you believe in imaginary friends, so how you could be taken seriously by anyone rational is beyond me.

    15. Re:Because the Quran says by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      The second is that the expense of fighting the mujaheddin was so costly it resulted in the collapse of the Soviet economy and the unwinding of the entire Soviet state and a withdrawal from "Muslim lands". Of course the reality is that Afghanistan was a side adventure for the Soviets, it was the collapse in oil prices (the only way the Soviets could earn hard currency) in the 80's along with trying to keep up with the American defense spending of the 80's that did the Soviet government in. This double wammy exhausted the currency and gold reserves of the soviet state and resulted in collapse.

      I can't speak to the rest of your 'facts'... But this one? No. Soviet defense spending peaked in the mid 70's and was generally on the decline through the 80's. Despite the myths spread by the Right in support of the canonization of Saint Reagan, and the propaganda from the military-industrial complex 'justifying' the obscene amounts of money they demand of us - we did not 'outspend' the Soviet Union into collapse.

    16. Re:Because the Quran says by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

      > In reality the Soviets had them beat until Americans started funneling advanced weapons in which neutralized the Soviets weapons.

      Are you talking about RAMBO?

    17. Re:Because the Quran says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Religious texts are more like a reverse IQ-test. If you find teachings in them and try to live accordingly, you're a certified dummy

    18. Re:Because the Quran says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlike ISIS, the harbinger of the Apocalypse, who are most likely to team up with the US Evangelicals in the common agenda of forcing Jesus back, Al Qaeda is a real left-wing style terrorist organization, of which RAF and the European anarchists would have been proud. I'm just writing nonsense now..aren't I?

    19. Re:Because the Quran says by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Oh, go fuck yourself you idiotic cock.

      "Quote me examples, except the ones that prove me wrong."

      No. You're a cock. An idiotic one.

  4. Richard Bin Stallman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Now we know what the B stands for and why he has a beard.

    1. Re:Richard Bin Stallman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      David Bin Letterman

      Now we know what the L stands for and why he has a beard.

    2. Re:Richard Bin Stallman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Houz bin Farteen?

      Follow your nose!

  5. Top people are completely replacable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Top people in Western society are completely replaceable, next runner-up would be 99.99% as good. Our society isn't driven by genius, but by merit (aside: unfortunately merit also happen to include a lot of sociopathic behavior).

    1. Re: Top people are completely replacable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, get your MBA and get in line.

    2. Re:Top people are completely replacable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Top people in Western society are completely replaceable, next runner-up would be 99.99% as good. .

      Yes, calling for the execution of Bill Gates as a way to harm the U.S. is completely retarded. But it's really no different than the U.S. proudly announcing that they killed some high ranking member of a terrorist group, as if that's going to make them collapse and disappear.

    3. Re:Top people are completely replacable by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Funny

      Top people in Western society are completely replaceable

      Perhaps the one thing our economic policy ensures: the wealthy are almost criminally worthless and the most replaceable of the lot, to the point of being huge boat anchors.

      Knock yourselves out Al Qaeda, purge us of our parasites, that'll show us!

    4. Re:Top people are completely replacable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Top people in Western society are completely replaceable, next runner-up would be 99.99% as good. Our society isn't driven by genius, but by merit (aside: unfortunately merit also happen to include a lot of sociopathic behavior).

      Our society isn't driven by merit, it's driven by cronyism, though that is starting to change. A society based on merit wouldn't employ people who went to the Christianist version of a madrassah, but the Bush White House was full of deranged Bob Jones graduates. It's been obvious for a while that half our country is an inverse-meritocracy. The entire Conservative hierarchy is based on obedience and adherence to dogma. People who can think get marginalized, and people who repeat dogma instead of thinking are elevated.

      If you live in a more modern part of the country, you could mistake us for a meritocracy, but the progress we've made has just enraged the people who want to maintain white male supremacy, and they really want to "take our country back" to the bad old days.

    5. Re:Top people are completely replacable by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Top people in Western society are completely replaceable, next runner-up would be 99.99% as good. Our society isn't driven by genius, but by merit (aside: unfortunately merit also happen to include a lot of sociopathic behavior).

      Actually, most replacements would be better. Yes, there are a few people like Steve Jobs that really are better at the job then anyone else. But in most cases, people who have "made it" are very risk averse. And growth does not come from avoiding risk. So they could just end up replacing the old guard with a bunch of new aggressive CEOs to stimulate the economy. :)

    6. Re:Top people are completely replacable by sjames · · Score: 1

      Not so much merit as the right combination of psychopathy and dumb luck.

    7. Re:Top people are completely replacable by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Merit also includes parent's net value at your birth (a better gauge of success than intelligence or education).

    8. Re:Top people are completely replacable by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Yup, that Bezos, he's useless. Everything that he's built, you could have done that. Why didn't you, by the way? Please be specific.

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    9. Re:Top people are completely replacable by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      But in most cases, people who have "made it" are very risk averse

      That's after they've "made it," because they don't want to destroy what they've made. Are you more risk-tolerant about a campfire on an empty dirt lot, or on the same lot with the house you've finally finished building there? I see.

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    10. Re:Top people are completely replacable by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      psychopathy and dumb luck

      Yup, no question. Every successful organization is the product of the non-work of lucky psychopaths. Have you considered getting a little help with that twisted world view of yours? You might actually be a happier person if you gave up thinking that the world is populated by comic book super villains that only you can see.

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    11. Re:Top people are completely replacable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad white male supremacy and the patriarchy and the old boys clubs that feminists keep railing about don't do jack fucking shit if you're a white male wave slave.

    12. Re:Top people are completely replacable by sjames · · Score: 1

      I never claimed no work was involved. Some work very hard, but that isn't enough to get there without dumb luck and sometimes psychopathy.

      Some did it through hard work and dumb luck without the psychopathy.

    13. Re:Top people are completely replacable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He probably didn't meet that guy in college that would later finance his ideas.

    14. Re:Top people are completely replacable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Yup, that Bezos, he's useless

      Yeah Amazon is a great investment if you want to hand over $600 for a chance at having $601 a year from now.

      These zombie corporations couldn't exist in any functioning market.

    15. Re:Top people are completely replacable by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Amazon is up over 940% since I bought my shares. So, your main complain is that you weren't smart enough to do the same, and you're really complaining about yourself? Thought so.

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    16. Re:Top people are completely replacable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not everyone can be born to wealthy landowners and attend Princeton and build a network of connections with wealthy and powerful families.

    17. Re:Top people are completely replacable by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Top people in Western society are completely replaceable, next runner-up would be 99.99% as good. Our society isn't driven by genius, but by merit (aside: unfortunately merit also happen to include a lot of sociopathic behavior).

      Actually, most replacements would be better. Yes, there are a few people like Steve Jobs that really are better at the job then anyone else.

      I'm half surprised they didn't claim credit for that.

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  6. Why are we giving these fucksticks attention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They've been spewing this bullshit for decades. This isn't news. Let's not give these fuckers the attention they desire. I guarantee that the terrorists are burning in Hell, where they belong. Fuck Al-Qaeda and fuck ISIL.

  7. So....what would happen to the economy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the case of someone like Gates, the train's already left the station. He has enough things in progress to help people using his money that if he were to be murdered, those things would probably not only keep going, but be strengthened by others wanting to keep his legacy going.

    In the case of someone who is not giving much to others....well, the wealth was not circulating in the economy already, so it would be passed along to others who either will continue to not circulate the wealth (meaning no change) or will blow it all/give it away (meaning it'll add more to the economy).

    Either way, this isn't a very good plan. Killing the wealthiest people will range between no change and a positive change, economically speaking.

  8. Well... by mlwmohawk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Obviously I wish no ill will on anyone, but let's be honest, there are a number of "successful" people who's loss would improve the economy.

    1. Re:Well... by Hentes · · Score: 1

      Yeah, imagine how bad the 2008 crisis would have been if the terrorists haven't got half the brokers at 9/11.

    2. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you actually think the 2008 crisis has anything to do with "wall street"?

    3. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I estimate the more than 10% of the whole economy is purely solving, working around, restoring files or or re-doing work as a result of windows problems and lack of security. And that percentage is still increasing.

    4. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just say Trump. Don't beat about the bush.

  9. Of course Al Qaeda is pissed by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess Al Qaeda woke up to find their Windows 7 had been automatically upgraded to Windows 10 then? That's got to piss them off.

    1. Re:Of course Al Qaeda is pissed by TFlan91 · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's how the CIA found their next drone target!

      Once Win10 was started, triangulation was acquired and.... 3... 2... 1... "boom".

    2. Re:Of course Al Qaeda is pissed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's RMS has gotten to Al-Qaeda.

      They couldn't resist him.

      Now, if only RMS could just use his energies towards World Peace.

    3. Re:Of course Al Qaeda is pissed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's how the CIA found their next drone target!

      Once Win10 was started, triangulation was acquired and.... 3... 2... 1... "boom".

      Sounds like a mercy killing. I'm sure Win10 is against the Geneva Convention.

    4. Re:Of course Al Qaeda is pissed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the pig eating fools of Al's Kind-of don't realize is that by cutting off Billy's head is that 2 lawyers grow back. :(

    5. Re:Of course Al Qaeda is pissed by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a mercy killing. I'm sure Win10 is against the Geneva Convention.

      Like a cluster bomb full of napalm.

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  10. Bit of an extreme reaction ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... to a forced Windows 10 update.

  11. Who?? by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

    I must have that number blocked. O well.

  12. While you're at it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Can you take care of the bank execs, Koch brothers, politicians, and oil execs? Oh and how about the insurance industry too. These people are the ones waging war on you.

    1. Re:While you're at it... by halivar · · Score: 1

      If we buy you a plane ticket, will you go tell them in person?

    2. Re:While you're at it... by CajunArson · · Score: 1

      How about a guy who's named in the Panama Papers as being a major investor in an international weapons manufacturing outfit.

      You know, George Soros.
      http://www.foxnews.com/world/2...

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    3. Re:While you're at it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need for a plane ticket, they'll come to him. We just need to tell their top IT guy to send a hit squad to the Anonymous Infidel at 127.0.0.1.

  13. The terrorist group is urging its followers to... by malditaenvidia · · Score: 0

    Are you sure it was Al Qaeda and not the FSF?

  14. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...it begins

  15. Dr. Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why Bill Gates? He doesn't even run Microsoft anymore. Now he just runs his charity fighting aids and stuff. These guys are so out of touch it's like Dr. Evil. Hold the whole world hostage for "One Million Dollars"! Bwaahh Haa Haa Haaa!

    1. Re:Dr. Evil by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      These guys are so out of touch it's like Dr. Evil. Hold the whole world hostage for "One Million Dollars"! Bwaahh Haa Haa Haaa!

      There Internet connection is a 300 baud modem. Takes a while for the news to catch up from the 1980's.

    2. Re: Dr. Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where internet connection ?

    3. Re: Dr. Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where internet connection ?

      You know. There internet connection. As opposed to internet connection over here. Hope this helps.

    4. Re: Dr. Evil by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Where internet connection ?

      Right they're!

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  16. Remind me why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can anyone remind me why it's bigoted to point out that most of the terrorism in the world is Islamic? Also, why is it bigoted to point out that the Qur'an calls for violence against nonbelievers but the New Testament says to love your enemies? Why is it acceptable to condemn the Westboro Baptist Church for their hatred but wrong to condemn Islam for their hatred and violence?

    1. Re: Remind me why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can anyone remind me why it's bigoted to point out that most of the terrorism in the world is Islamic

      It's bigoted mainly just because it is factually incorrect.

      The US and UK governments have practically no Islamic members. By far and large they are all white people, and unarguably are the forces causing over 99% of the worlds terrorism.

      Al-Qaeda is a drop of a very big bucket comparatively and can accurately be rounded away to nothing.

      You are basically claiming a religion that causes 0% of the worlds terrorism are all terrorists, and basing that falsehood on nothing but thief religion, which is called being g a bigot.

      Not being a bigot would be only labeling someone a terrorist based purely on how much terrorism they cause.

    2. Re: Remind me why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? How are muslims causing 0% of terrorism. Why didn't you just say they aren't terrorist. 0% == none.

        I know why, because you'd be lying. The fact is many terrorist acts around the world are caused by Muslims. Either fighting with each other, or fighting other non believers.

    3. Re:Remind me why... by overshoot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can anyone remind me why it's bigoted to point out that most of the terrorism in the world is Islamic?

      Because if it's not being done by Muslims, we call it something else.

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    4. Re:Remind me why... by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Mostly because what you claim is factually incorrect?

      1. The vast majority of terrorism in the US is ... surprise, by white people.

      Sideways argument. Twice... He said world, and you said US. Also, there are Muslim white people. Some in the US, indicted on terrorism...

      2. The Quran does not call for violence any more than the Bible does; and it doesn't even necessarily call for it, it's all in interpretations (of which Christianity has its own share of whackjob fundies that try to interpret the Bible literally). I like how you try to specify 'New Testament' as if that's the only part that matters - if you disregard the Old Testament, you disregard Creationism, the 10 Commandments, and basically the entire foundation of which Christianity was built upon.

      But the bible has a new testament that was an all new agreement, retracting a lot of the violence. Christianity also had a "reformation" to specifically set aside a lot of violence as well.

      3. WBC is not an entire religion, and you don't have entire societies condemning 'Christianity' simply because the WBC exists... You're not making equal comparisons.

      No, it is an example. And there are more then a few Christian based groups that are OK to hate, but not many Muslim based ones.

    5. Re:Remind me why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, fine. Show me where the "world" terrorism is predominantly by Islam (rather than people). Africa's terrorism is done by black local warlords. Note that some of those people may be Muslims, but it's not religiously motivated. Sure, there are white Muslims, but when I don't know of any instances in which a white Muslim has committed a terrorist act. That isn't to say there haven't been, I am just looking for sources.

      Christians cannot claim that the New Testament 'retracts a lot of the violence' while simultaneously citing Sodom and Gomorrah as 'proof' that their god hates gays. You take the entire book or you take none of it. Also, your assertion is incorrect. There are no passages that seek to deny or 'retract' the atrocities of the Old Testament.

      It was not an equal example - the GP tried to correlate distaste for a particular group with the condemnation of an entire religion. He's free to reword the example and try again, but as of now, his argument is invalid. Anyway, there are definitely Muslim-based groups that are "okay to hate" - ISIL, Boko Haram, Muslim Brotherhood. I'm sure there are more, depending on your area of the world.

      There are 40+% more Christians in the world than Muslims, so I'd imagine it's more a matter of scale rather than 'political correctness' or whatever you intended to imply with your last sentence. But speaking about the US (again), we generally don't have Muslims attempting to inject their religion into our laws - that's been almost exclusively a Christian move, and that's why they get the biggest, baddest rap in the West, making some people think there's some sort of anti-Christiatn conspiracy going on. Get out of politics/government, and you'll see the sentiment largely change.

    6. Re:Remind me why... by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 2

      Because you're a fucking idiot with mashed potatoes for brains.

      Can anyone remind me why it's bigoted to point out that most of the terrorism in the world is Islamic?

      Others have answered this one already.

      Also, why is it bigoted to point out that the Qur'an calls for violence against nonbelievers but the New Testament says to love your enemies?

      You have no idea what the fuck you're even talking about. Jesus is a part of the Muslim faith. Look no further than the Old Testament for all the guidance you need on genital mutilation, killing various "undesirables" like homosexuals and trans folks, and in general making war on people who don't worship your particular sky wizard.

      Why is it acceptable to condemn the Westboro Baptist Church for their hatred but wrong to condemn Islam for their hatred and violence?

      The Westboro Baptist Church are a group of professional trolls. They're a family of lawyers that incite shit so they have something to sue about. If you can't tell the difference between a family of lawyers that trollolol for a living and a faith that over a billion people in the world practice, you're beyond help.

      Go back to your senile fucking paranoid delusions. Your post is yet another example of "conservatives" being too fucking far out of touch with the real fucking world to do anything other than tilt at straw men.

    7. Re: Remind me why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are basically claiming a religion that causes 0% of the worlds terrorism are all terrorists, and basing that falsehood on nothing but thief religion,

      I want a source besides you that says Islam accounts for 0% of the worlds terrorism. Cause honestly that is a bald faced lie.

    8. Re:Remind me why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just another pointless post from slashdot

    9. Re:Remind me why... by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Okay, fine. Show me where the "world" terrorism is predominantly by Islam (rather than people). Africa's terrorism is done by black local warlords. Note that some of those people may be Muslims, but it's not religiously motivated. Sure, there are white Muslims, but when I don't know of any instances in which a white Muslim has committed a terrorist act. That isn't to say there haven't been, I am just looking for sources.

      Hmmm... Remember all those little schoolgirls last year that were kidnapped by Muslims and given away as sex slaves? Where was that again? Oh, yeah... Africa. Admittedly there is also a lot of lawless warfare over there, but it is hard to call it terrorism where there is no effective government or society to overthrow.

      Christians cannot claim that the New Testament 'retracts a lot of the violence' while simultaneously citing Sodom and Gomorrah as 'proof' that their god hates gays. You take the entire book or you take none of it. Also, your assertion is incorrect. There are no passages that seek to deny or 'retract' the atrocities of the Old Testament.

      Or, sorry... We were talking about the religion as written in the last exchange and now you chaned to the individules in that religion. OK. Who is cutting off heads again?

      It was not an equal example - the GP tried to correlate distaste for a particular group with the condemnation of an entire religion. He's free to reword the example and try again, but as of now, his argument is invalid. Anyway, there are definitely Muslim-based groups that are "okay to hate" - ISIL, Boko Haram, Muslim Brotherhood. I'm sure there are more, depending on your area of the world.

      So if it is not exactly equal, it is pointless as an example? I guess we can have no examples then as now two things are exactly equal. Oh, and the whitehouse has said that hating the Muslim brotherhood is a bad thing and anyone who does is racist.

      There are 40+% more Christians in the world than Muslims, so I'd imagine it's more a matter of scale rather than 'political correctness' or whatever you intended to imply with your last sentence. But speaking about the US (again), we generally don't have Muslims attempting to inject their religion into our laws - that's been almost exclusively a Christian move, and that's why they get the biggest, baddest rap in the West, making some people think there's some sort of anti-Christiatn conspiracy going on. Get out of politics/government, and you'll see the sentiment largely change.

      Population is changing... https://www.rt.com/news/246381... As for the law thing, are you seriously that delusional? This is simply the one closest to me. http://www.thepoliticalinsider...

    10. Re:Remind me why... by Trogre · · Score: 2

      How utterly ingenuous. Do you actually believe that or are you just regurgitating mindless rhetoric?

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    11. Re:Remind me why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Oh, and the whitehouse has said that hating the Muslim brotherhood is a bad thing and anyone who does is racist.

      Cite your source. Make sure it directly says the words that you just wrote.

    12. Re:Remind me why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because P(Terrorist|Muslim) is very different than P(Muslim|Terrorist). The former probability is basically indistinguishable from P(Terrorist|Christian) or P(Terrorist|Hindu) -- those are all very very small numbers. It's the latter value that people use to paint all Muslims as terrorist extremists. It says nothing about the vast majority of Muslims, and using it as a stereotype is a logical mistake. Remember that the second-most-destructive terrorist attack on US soil, the Oklahoma City bombing, was perpetrated by white nationalist Christians. Does that mean we should assume all Christians, or most Christians, or "average" Christians, want to kill us or are sympathetic to such a thing?

  17. "Please notice us :(" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "We had something, you guys, something special, what does ISIS have that we don't? :( :( :("

    1. Re:"Please notice us :(" by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      Exactly.
      This is radical fundamentalist FOMO.

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  18. Oblig Link To Propaganda Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  19. That sounds desperate. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now they're appealing to lone wolf attacks. They must be hurting. Damn ISIS hogging all the glory! Why don't they just take a shortcut to heaven and all blow themselves up now?

  20. s/Bill Gates/Larry Ellison/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And they might be on to something.

  21. I wonder who else is on the list? My guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sheldon Adelson, Charles G. Koch, David H. Koch, Donald Trump, Peter Peterson, Stephen Schwarzman, Rupert Murdoch, Gina Rinehart, Christy Walton, Jim Walton, Alice Walton, S. Robson Walton, Anne Walton Kroenke, Nancy Walton Laurie, Silvio Berlusconi, and Carl Icahn?

    I admit that not all of these people are Americans, but they all pull the strings of the US economy.

    1. Re:I wonder who else is on the list? My guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've left off Harold Simmons, Ivan Glasenberg, Dan Gertler, and Viktor Bout.

    2. Re:I wonder who else is on the list? My guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot Warren Buffett, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, George Soros, Michael Bloomberg, Kat Taylor, Tom Steyer, and many many more.

    3. Re:I wonder who else is on the list? My guess... by narcc · · Score: 1

      The cigarette-smoking man, the reptiloids ...

    4. Re:I wonder who else is on the list? My guess... by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      You really aren't very happy that Soros is every bit as creepy as he's portrayed, are you?

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    5. Re:I wonder who else is on the list? My guess... by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      A notable difference is that your examples are fantasy, while the previous examples are real living people.

      --
      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    6. Re:I wonder who else is on the list? My guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A notable difference is that your examples are fantasy, while the previous examples are real living people.

      I agree, but considering that it's the only difference between the two groups, I would say that it's not a notable difference.

    7. Re:I wonder who else is on the list? My guess... by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I don't recognize all of the names, haven't at least some of those people been caught doing shady things? Or is it totally tinfoil hat territory?

      --
      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
  22. Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Al-Qaeda killed thousands on 9/11 and is calling for more attacks. ISIL is also carrying out tremendous amounts of violence in the Middle East. Yet anyone who points out that Islam is inherently violent is called a bigot.

    However, Christians who refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding are put out of business and have threats made against their lives. Somehow society thinks it's okay to threaten Christians and claim that Christianity isn't a religion of peace.

    Why is there a double standard?

    Islam is inherently violent. Christianity is inherently peaceful. Christianity says to love your enemy. Islam says to kill Jews and Christians.

    But anyone who points out these facts is labeled a bigot.

    1. Re: Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are not a bigot if you do the things you say you should do, I have no respect for a Christian who doesn't love their neighbour, or a Muslim that doesn't kill those who insult Islam.

      Hypocrites and Double standards are the worst.

    2. Re:Double standard by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      It is is a double standard since most of those wonderful ISIS folks continue to throw gays off of tall buildings. I don't hear of any bakers doing the same. We're focused on the wrong issues in the US because of all the false flags.

      --
      Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
    3. Re:Double standard by twotacocombo · · Score: 0

      Islam is inherently violent. Christianity is inherently peaceful. Christianity says to love your enemy. Islam says to kill Jews and Christians.

      Gotta play devil's advocate on this one.. Where exactly does "Islam" say to kill Jews and Christians, specifically? Islamists, sure, all day long. I don't believe the Koran specifically calls out for the eradication of any specific religion though.

      Christianity, on the other hand, sure does promote peace and loving thy neighbor, and all that. But, Crusades-much? You can see how the movie is rarely true to the book...

    4. Re: Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Maybe people call you a bigot because of your bigotry. From the point of view of agnostics and atheists and people form more peaceful religions, the entire jeudo-Christian complex, which includes judaism, islam, Christianity and other variants, is inherently violent. There's plenty of violent requirements for Christians and plenty of peaceful requirements in Islam. People just ignore the parts they want to ignore and do the parts they want to do and then insist that it's the one true path.
      Now, I am assuming you'really a Christian based on context. Tell me if I am wrong. Assuming you are, when was the last time you shaved off all of a woman's hair because she didn't wear a headscarf? If you're christian, you are required to. It'seems not just in the old testament either, if you want to play the "new covenant" card. Look in corinthians.

    5. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You seem to forget the crusades and christian missionary expansion. Those alone are pretty fraught with violence. I'm saying this as a confirmed catholic.

    6. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when did the word Islamists come to mean extremists? I thought it just meant someone who advocated for Islam.

      I've noted others using this word in this way.

    7. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Al-Qaeda killed thousands on 9/11 and is calling for more attacks. ISIL is also carrying out tremendous amounts of violence in the Middle East. Yet anyone who points out that Islam is inherently violent is called a bigot.

      That's because there are over a billion Muslims on the planet. If they were all violent, we'd have a couple billion dead bodies. Most Muslims don't interpret their scriptures as an order to kill all infidels any more than Christians interpret their scriptures as an order to kill all infidels even though Deuteronomy says that they should.

      However, Christians who refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding are put out of business and have threats made against their lives.

      There is a difference between reacting to one person's behavior and insisting that a billion people are all violent extremists because they follow a religion that you don't like.

      Christianity is inherently peaceful. Christianity says to love your enemy.

      Nothing says love like passing laws to prevent others from enjoying the same rights that you enjoy, right?

    8. Re:Double standard by kylemonger · · Score: 0

      Christianity is inherently peaceful? Have you not heard of the Inquisition? The Crusades? The Ku Klux Klan? Nazi Positive Christianity?

    9. Re:Double standard by yodleboy · · Score: 2

      "You seem to forget the crusades and christian missionary expansion"

      No one is forgetting it, but that was how many hundreds of years ago? Was Christianity more militant and violent then, sure. The question is why is Islam violent NOW? Given the same amount of time to grow up, why have they refused?

    10. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, I'll bite.

      Christianity pushes the "turn the other cheek", go the extra mile etc. Very passive and non violent if you read the new testament.
      People who claim to adhere to it are entirely another topic.

    11. Re: Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, please learn how to fucking Google before you post an absurd statement.

      I'm going to leave his here

        links

    12. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct; the Quran says to spread the religion by the sword. It doesn't pick and choose who you should force to convert or kill.

    13. Re:Double standard by EmeraldBot · · Score: 1

      Al-Qaeda killed thousands on 9/11 and is calling for more attacks. ISIL is also carrying out tremendous amounts of violence in the Middle East. Yet anyone who points out that Islam is inherently violent is called a bigot.

      However, Christians who refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding are put out of business and have threats made against their lives. Somehow society thinks it's okay to threaten Christians and claim that Christianity isn't a religion of peace.

      Why is there a double standard?

      Islam is inherently violent. Christianity is inherently peaceful. Christianity says to love your enemy. Islam says to kill Jews and Christians.

      But anyone who points out these facts is labeled a bigot.

      This is so out of touch it's painful to read. If Christianity is inherently peaceful, why did the crusades happen? Why did the Spanish Inquisition happen? Why does the Klu Klux Klan exist? Christianity is no more innherently peaceful than Islam is, but we are fortunate enough to live in the nicer parts of the world where we don't have to kill each other for control over the region's only watering hole. Back to the KKK, that's right, they claim to represent Protestants, and more generally see themselves as the righteous savoirs of Christianity. If someone dennounced Christianity as a religion of hatred based on the actions of the KKK, would you accept that? If not, then why the hell are terrorists claiming to represent muslims different?

      I don't really believe in religion, so this debate isn't central to my life, but watching both sides go on and on about how evil the other is is absolutely stupid. We live in an area where we're supposed to be better educated about the world than ever before, and yet it's the same as always, the same irrational fear of outsiders that humans still suffer from. Where the hell is the tolerance and peacefulness you claim to practice?

      --
      "Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
    14. Re:Double standard by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Insightful

      soooo, getting children a better education in the language of their country of residence, the US of A, is somehow comparable to ISIL and AL-Qaeda's slaughters and rapes and maimings? boohoo, the native american alaskana can no longer practice bits of their culture like euthanizing the middle aged?

      go back to tumblr, you SJW whiner

    15. Re:Double standard by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2

      Given the same amount of time to grow up, why have they refused?

      You'll have to ask that again in another 500 years, when it's been the same amount of time as Christianity now.

    16. Re:Double standard by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      You know that several of the crusades were a response to Muslim invasion, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    17. Re:Double standard by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Maybe because you are framing the question as a bigot would? Al-Qaeda and ISIL are terror groups using Islam to try and justify their actions. There are approximately 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. If it wasn't a religion of peace then there would be a lot more violence in the world. Also groups in Ireland, Africa, and the KKK have all used Christianity as a reason for their violence but you don't group all Christians in together with them. Why not? You have no problem grouping all 1.6 billion Muslims together with a few groups of extremists.

      Oh, one part of the Bible may say to love your enemy. Try reading the Old Testament and you will find some lovely stuff that is definitely not about loving your enemy.

    18. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are many places in both Koran and Hadith that orders Muslims to kill non Muslims (or Muslims with the same interpretation):

      Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

      Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

      A local imam has preached that Muslim people should profit as much as possible from our social security system (unemployment money) because that would make them a 'good' Muslim who has forced the non Muslims to pay this Jizya... That local imam also weekly preachers against the Jews and the US and is brainwashing his followers that IS is nothing but the CIA. This is very frustrating here whenever you find yourself in a situation with a Muslim discussing 'the truth'.

      Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

      This verse is the reason why some (but still too many) imams say that Jews have to be killed first and then the Christians.

      Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."

      This is the reason why some (but still too many) imams in Western Europe ask to riot in the street, burn cars, destroy windows.

      Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."

      Hypocrites here are other Muslims. The 'Muslims' who are not 'real Muslims'. The problem is that every Muslims can claim to be a mullah and preaches the 'right Islam', just like in for example Protestantism.

      The problem with Islam is that Western people look at Islam like they look at Christianity, as just a religion. But you have to look at Islam like Christianity during inquisition, before enlightenment, as a totalitarian system. There is no difference between Islam and Islamism. Islam is Islam, and it only depends on the individual, or rather the group of Muslims how far they go in following their laws. IS are still "puritan" Muslims, doing everything within the Islamic laws.

      By the way the Muslim Brotherhood are trying to create an Islamic state by using democracy. Once they are in power, they replace the democracy with Sharia law and create a caliphate. The Muslim Brotherhood are the 'peaceful' (but you could ask the Egyptian Copts how peaceful they really are) alternative of IS. In fact, the Muslim Brotherhood is the Muslim alternative for Hitlers Nazi party and has never been dismantled since the fall of the "third reich". Unfortunately they recently got the support of Obama, which was and is a big mistake. Hopefully the next president will correct this error and label them as what they are: a Nazi like, terrorist organization. Our government has currently 13 seats out of 150 (8.6 %) for Muslim Brotherhood people. Quite an achievement if you know that only 4% of the people are Muslims and most of them don't vote.

      But indeed, criticizing anything that has to do with Islam is bigotry. Since 2008 it has even been implemented by the UN that criticizing Islam (or other religions) is racist and individual countries should limit free speech in that regard (thanks Obama).

    19. Re:Double standard by sjames · · Score: 1

      I forget, when is it the KKK disbanded again?

      every religion has it's nuts.

    20. Re:Double standard by twotacocombo · · Score: 1

      You know that several of the crusades were a response to Muslim invasion, right?

      Sure, and that's why they also slaughtered truckloads of Jews while they were at it? The crusades were campaigns of violence sanctioned by the pope in the name of Christ, not the state. While the two were nearly inseparable in those times, they were conducted under the flag of religion, not just wars for territory.

    21. Re:Double standard by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Christians make up the KKK and lynch people they don't like. Christians killed millions in the Crusades. What, the problem is that they did it to us, which is wrong, but when we did it to them, it's not an issue? Yes, I know the standard "The massive pile of violence in Christian's history is long enough ago, I'll dismiss it" argument. I saw someone do a body count, and the Christians still hold the title of largest kills in the name of God (or some organization claiming allegiance to God). The modern ones are just the ones claiming nothing else matters, earlier than 9/11, or some other modern arbitrary date.

    22. Re:Double standard by AK+Marc · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I grew up in Texas, and gays weren't thrown off buildings. They were dragged behind pickups until dead. Something common until a provably straight guy was killed in that manner after being grabbed outside a gay bar in a misunderstanding. Then people became outraged and the practice was condemned and declined in use. How are "we" so much better for having done the same thing? Oh yeah, the standard answer to that is "no true Christian" when a Christian does it, and "all Muslim" when a Muslim does it.

    23. Re:Double standard by halivar · · Score: 1

      This is so out of touch it's painful to read. If Christianity is inherently peaceful, why did the crusades happen?

      For the acquisition of land and resources by secular European monarchs.

      Why did the Spanish Inquisition happen?

      For the acquisition of land and resources by the secular Spanish crown.

      Why does the Klu Klux Klan exist?

      For the acquisition of land and resources by secular Southern Democrats during Reconstruction (at the time, evangelical "extremist fundamentalism" was abolitionist [e.g. John Brown, and others]).

      I'm not doing the point by point to be passive aggressive, or snarky, but to make the point that all conflict in history, even those ostensibly for religion (indeed, even Al Qaeda and ISIS) are actually about the acquisition of capital in some form or another. Everyone rationalizes in their own way. Primitives use God.

      If someone dennounced Christianity as a religion of hatred based on the actions of the KKK, would you accept that? If not, then why the hell are terrorists claiming to represent muslims different?

      Because the tenants of the KKK, the Crusades, and Spanish Inquisition, from their very inception, ran completely counter to the plainly understood doctrine of the religion they claimed to follow. Now, not being Muslim, I cannot opine on whether jihadi terrorists are actually apostates of Islam, but so far I haven't seen any such arguments quoting their holy scripture. Just platitudes ("religion of peace", etc.). Someone more familiar with the Qu'ran can correct me, to be sure.

    24. Re: Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most violent of all of the "religions" of the twentieth century were pagan(NAZI) and atheist(Communist). So keep trying to sell your propaganda. No ones buying it.

    25. Re:Double standard by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      And the Crusade apologists rarely mention things like the Crusades sieged and sacked Christian cities, like Constantinople.

    26. Re:Double standard by AK+Marc · · Score: 0

      Kidnapping and brainwashing is fine, so long at it's in the betterment of the lives of the "savages". By your logic, nothing ISIS does is wrong, so long as you claim their opponents are "savages".

    27. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The inquisition was primarily carried out by secular powers. The point of the inquisition as far as the Church was concerned was that the rights of those charged with heresy were protected. Else it was very easy for a neighbor who wanted your land or your wife to accuse you of heresy. So the Church required an actual tribunal, which required actual proof before you could be convicted. Even if found guilty on a small number were ever actually executed. Even Galileo, who was an ass and prosecuted more for pissing off those in power than because he was a scientist (Copernicus, who was a monk was never prosecuted or suppressed for saying just about the same thing) was given the horrible punishment of house arrest in a palace. Woe is him.
      The Crusades were a response to Muslim aggression. In 410 A.D. the whole of the Mediterranean basin was Christian. By 510 a good part was Muslim, and they didn't convert willingly, but at the point of a sword.
      The Ku Klux Klan was actively opposed by the Catholic Church and other Christians.
      The Nazi's were pagans, attempting to restore the worship of the Germanic pantheon, as well as being occultist. They certainly weren't Christian.

    28. Re:Double standard by halivar · · Score: 1

      I grew up in Texas, and gays weren't thrown off buildings. They were dragged behind pickups until dead. Something common until a provably straight guy was killed in that manner after being grabbed outside a gay bar in a misunderstanding.

      Quite frankly, I don't believe you.

    29. Re:Double standard by halivar · · Score: 1

      The KKK was founded principally as a partisan political organization against Reconstruction, not unbelievers. It's irrelevant to the religion argument.

    30. Re:Double standard by sjames · · Score: 1

      They, like ISIL and Al-Qaeda claim that they are driven by their religious beliefs and justified by scripture. In all three cases, the members of the relevant mainstream religion wish they would stop giving them a bad name.

      That thing the KKK used to burn in people's yards wasn't a lower case t.

    31. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But anyone who points out these facts is labeled a bigot."

      Because violent religious fanaticism isn't peculiar to Islam, or inherent to most organized religions, and yet it still manages to exist because *fanaticism* is a general human pathology. It doesn't matter what your basis is. If you get to the point of "My religion/philosophy is the One True Religion/Philosophy, and all others must die if they don't conform with it", it's a fundamental problem for everyone. Even Buddhism, usually regarded as one of the more pacifist of the major religions in terms of philosophy, manages to have fanatics that kill others in the name of their twisted version of the religion. Whole wars have been fought over it.

      You're a bigot if you toss everyone adhering to a particular religion into the fanatic and violent category and if you think the extremists somehow represent the norm or the whole of the religion. Don't feel too guilty about it. It's the same "us versus them" character flaw the fanatics use when they go out with the intent to kill innocent people. They lump everyone together into the "other" category and consider them targets. Heretics, blasphemers, apostates, whatever label. "They", not pious and righteous "us", deserve to die. All you have to do is dehumanize "them" enough.

      It would be just as bad if you said all Catholics and Protestant Christians were inherently violent because of the "Troubles" in Northern Ireland. So much killing in the name of the supposedly "peaceful" Christian religion. And that's just a recent example. It neglects the centuries of wars in predominantly Christian Europe, or the deaths that have occurred in North America due to Christian fanatics, or of course the Crusades. Let's tar the whole religion with those few, and you'll be back to the same kind of nonsense as people say about Islam, even though the vast majority of people wouldn't be violent in either religion.

      None of this excuses people for threatening violence because of a business owned by a bunch of bigots won't bake a cake. That isn't right either. But I have no problem with calling those business owners bigots, because that's what they are if they won't serve people because of something as trivial as what consenting adults choose to do with their personal lives. Their customers asked a qualified baker for a cake, not for a moral assessment of their marital legitimacy. What next? They won't bake a cake for a wedding because the heterosexual partners engage in [insert baker-unacceptable sexual activity here]? Or how about not baking a cake for divorcees who remarry someone else, because of the violation of their covenant with God ("til death do you part")? None of their [expletive deleted] business.

      Don't get me wrong. I still think a business has every right to refuse to do business with whoever they want for whatever reason, even stupid reasons, but only if we are free to call them bigots for doing so and can decide to no longer do business with them. Freedom is a two-way street. If that consumer decision puts them out of business, too fricking bad. They shouldn't be turning away legitimate customers for foolish and irrelevant reasons if they want to stay employed. I shouldn't have to take a fricking "purity" test to get a damned wedding cake!

      I don't know if any of this matters to you, but if I can make a suggestion AC to AC: embrace your bigotry for what it is. You don't like Muslims because you can't see beyond the rare, extreme fanatics and their horrible activities to see what normal people are individually like who happen to be Muslim. I get it. Prejudice is pretty easy to slip into. We're all prone to it. I'll defend your freedom to have that opinion, and I'll defend you from people who would threaten violence on you or anyone else because of it. But, please, what you describe isn't a "fact", it's your opinion of what the facts mean. Don't expect me to like it or refrain from ridicule when I think your claims are silly.

    32. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems /. has its large share of christophobic nuts, they'll say anything in their hate-filled tirades..

    33. Re:Double standard by hierofalcon · · Score: 1

      Whenever you place your eyes on an individual, you will be disappointed, for humanity is sinful by nature. Whenever you put your eyes on a religion, you will be disappointed, for religions are made up of a mass of humanity. Fix your eyes on Christ who is the example and finisher of our faith and is who the Christian church and Christians should be trying to follow. His set of commands were a much tougher standard to live up to than many in the Old Covenant.

      We don't get it right all the time. Particular powerful people in the near and distant past have gotten it wrong, acting in the name of Christianity, and have damaged its name. But Christ did it right. Many, many other Christians get it right far more often than they get it wrong. The ones who do still fail make the headlines and get what they've done picked up by a largely hostile press because Satan is trying to destroy Christianity. Shakespeare said "the evil men do live after them, the good is often interred with their bones." That is still just as true today as it was when he wrote it.

      Each person will have to answer for themselves before God one day for what they've done and what they haven't done that they should have done. Those who went against God's will in His name will answer for what they have done. Those who went against God's will in another religion's name or outside of any religious influence will also answer for what they have done. Give Christianity a chance. Just be willing to forgive us when we goof up and if you look around some you'll find a group that will overlook your flaws as well. There are some who can take a solitary path and still be the person that God wants them to be, but it is easier with fellow believers. Just let the fruit of the Spirit grow in you while you're waiting for it to grow in others.

      Reading some other comments in the discussion, understand that God's standards and eternal consequences will be applied equally to everyone. Christians don't always show God's love to people the way they should and this is particularly true for people who are outside of the norm of the group. But love does also mean caring about where people end up for eternity. That is ultimately what should be important to each individual. God's word is black and white on many issues that the world wants to see as all white or at least grey and white. God isn't going to change His standards just because man wants Him to. Expecting Christianity to change or modernize its morals to make a sinful world feel comfortable is unrealistic. Repentance is hard in many cases, but it is what God expects. We need to show Christ's love to everyone, but understand that like the woman taken in adultery Christ forgave and then said to go and sin no more.

    34. Re: Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I think the Bible says a woman can wear long hair as a natural headscarf. What they can't do is wear short hair or in any way do something which makes them resemble a man. YMMV.

    35. Re:Double standard by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      You need to read about the Crusades again. You can start by Googling "Deus Vult".

    36. Re:Double standard by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      http://www.theguardian.com/wor...
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

      There were millions of hits for my google search, so I just grabbed the top two. How many would you like, and why are you unable to use Google yourself?

    37. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice God you got there. So insecure and narcissistic he made an eternal, inescapable concentration camp full of fire and fear and pain and suffering for all the people who don't kiss his ineffable ass.

      As far as I'm concerned, you are as bad as any Daesh or Al-Qaeda operative who hasn't yet made an actual kill. If your God is real it's some kind of demon (and it's the same one the Daesh flunkies follow...). Not to mention, if the guy actually had the properties your religion says he does, specifically perfection and self-sufficiency, it would not demand worship. In fact, nothing except it would exist.

      tl;dr: if you love your Hell so much you can go there

    38. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Jews colluded with the Muslims and benefited great from it.

    39. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Back to the KKK, that's right, they claim to represent Protestants, and more generally see themselves as the righteous savoirs of Christianity. If someone dennounced Christianity as a religion of hatred based on the actions of the KKK, would you accept that?

      Sounds legit.
      I mean theres the crusades, the inquisition, the witch burnings, attacks on abortion clinics...

      I'm not aware of any religion that actually manages to hold up the "peace and love" claims they make. I can't think of any Buddhism motivated violence, but that's probably more lack of familiarity on my part that Buddhism being the one exception. Im sure some group of asshats have killed each other over Buddhism at some point.

    40. Re:Double standard by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      You know that several of the crusades were a response to Muslim invasion, right?

      Sure, and that's why they also slaughtered truckloads of Jews while they were at it? The crusades were campaigns of violence sanctioned by the pope in the name of Christ, not the state. While the two were nearly inseparable in those times, they were conducted under the flag of religion, not just wars for territory.

      I know it is slashdot, but at least glance at the link provided. It would show you that your view of the crusades is totally wrong.

      As for the Jews... Funny how the same people who bring up the killing of the Jews do not want to support Israel now... Not sure how that one works...

    41. Re:Double standard by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      And the Crusade apologists rarely mention things like the Crusades sieged and sacked Christian cities, like Constantinople.

      Well, after it had been held by the Muslims for a few hundred years. I guess that would make it a Muslim city...

    42. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is so out of touch it's painful to read. If Christianity is inherently peaceful, why did the crusades happen?

      For the acquisition of land and resources by secular European monarchs.

      Your reading of history seems, to me, to be a bit facile. As I understand it, Christian pilgrims had been repeatedly harassed and attacked by Muslim raiders over the course of centuries while on their pilgrimages to the Holy Land. That was the proximate cause of the Crusades. Of course, that doesn't mean that secular European monarchs didn't frequently profit quite handsomely from the conquest. Unfortunately, there will always be those who will seek to profit off the misfortune of others during times of war. I can't really comment on the Inquisition since I really don't know enough about that period of history. And the KKK,...well, they just seem to enjoy being right evil bastards just because they can, regardless of whether they gain any land or resources from their actions. Or, so it would seem to me.

    43. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Islam is inherently violent. Christianity is inherently peaceful. Christianity says to love your enemy. Islam says to kill Jews and Christians.

      Gotta play devil's advocate on this one.. Where exactly does "Islam" say to kill Jews and Christians, specifically? Islamists, sure, all day long. I don't believe the Koran specifically calls out for the eradication of any specific religion though.

      You might find this website to be useful. I couldn't find it on there but I seem to recall that the Quran says that it is the duty of all Muslims to fight "until all religion is for Allah". That is calling for the eradication of all other beliefs, not just Christianity and Judaism.

    44. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In 410 A.D. the whole of the Mediterranean basin was Christian. By 510 a good part was Muslim, and they didn't convert willingly, but at the point of a sword.

      Actually, that would have been a neat trick, considering that Mohammed wasn't born until sometime around 570 A.D.

    45. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.theguardian.com/wor...
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

      There were millions of hits for my google search, so I just grabbed the top two. How many would you like, and why are you unable to use Google yourself?

      Millions of hits does not equal multiple incidents or a trend. It just means one story got posted many times.

      The first link is an incident in Wyoming.
      You're from Texas and you just committed the most serious crime a Texan could make: confusing Texas with another state.
      However, I am certain that you didn't read the article because it is about debunking the story that the murder was a gay hate crime.

      The second link is about a black man being dragged by white supremacists. I'm not seeing the gay murder in there.

    46. Re:Double standard by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      So did you try to google and not find any, or did you not bother to look?

    47. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So did you try to google and not find any, or did you not bother to look?

      I googled for "texas gay dragged truck" before replying the first time and got countless hits on the black guy, James Byrd, getting dragged, and another black man, Brandon McClelland that was dragged to death. Both were black men killed by white supremacists. That's two death by dragging over the last 20 years.
      And there were many more than that about dogs being dragged behind a truck and also one about a donkey.
      There were several different incidents of police being dragged by a fleeing suspect.
      There were several different incidents of pedestrians being struck and dragged.

      I looked at the first 6 pages of results and I found no gay men getting dragged to death in Texas.

      I point out that you haven't found any either.

    48. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to your first link, the killing was probably related to drug dealing.

    49. Re:Double standard by halivar · · Score: 1

      You make the wild, unsubstantiated claim, the onus is on you; I don't have to Google shit. Also, you apparently didn't read your own links. So let's just all admit you were talking out of our ass when you talked about rampant truck-dragging of gays in Texas, eh?

    50. Re:Double standard by halivar · · Score: 1

      Understand that the symbology of the KKK was not exclusively Christocentric; rather, like most other "secret" societies of the time (including more innocuous ones), they borrowed a myriad of religious symbols (the "mystic cross" and yin-yang most predominantly) and the trappings of occultism to attract followers with the promise of "secret mysteries." These trappings were dropped when secret societies lost cachet in popular society. It must also be noted that the number one target of race terrorists are churches or other places of worship, and their chief opposition in the 1950's and early 60's came from deeply religious evangelicals (both black and white).

    51. Re:Double standard by halivar · · Score: 1

      Your reading of history seems, to me, to be a bit facile. As I understand it, Christian pilgrims had been repeatedly harassed and attacked by Muslim raiders over the course of centuries while on their pilgrimages to the Holy Land.

      And why did the European monarchs suddenly start caring? It had been going on for centuries, and no one gave a crap.With the rising affluence of European monarchs, however, and the sudden demand for goods from the silk road, the Holy Land became a crucial trade hub, and its control was a source of great wealth.

    52. Re: Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may want to look up a little thing called the Crusades which may or may not have been related. Just because some religions are more peaceful at certain times doesn't mean that they weren't more violent than other times

    53. Re:Double standard by hierofalcon · · Score: 1

      Hell was created for Satan and his followers. It was not originally there because of man.

      God created man to be His friend. He walked with them in the garden and provided for them. It was their free choice to disobey his very minimal commandment for maintaining that relationship.

      Once they decided of their own free will to break their relationship with Him, life got harder for man. It was man's responsibility to pass on God's requirements to each succeeding generation. Man failed at that as well, and Satan muddied the waters with a bunch of false religions because he wants everyone to end up in the same place he will. We did take over his planet after all.

      But even today, God's requirements for salvation are simple. Accept Christ as Savior and repent of sins. Christ summed up the commandments to follow as love God and love your fellow man as you would love yourself. Restoring a right relationship with God is easy. Repentance might be hard depending on how you have been living your life. But the Holy Spirit is there to help you in your walk. All you have to do is open the door and ask. He's already knocking.

    54. Re:Double standard by sjames · · Score: 1

      They had all the trappings of the then popular secret societies but nevertheless, they were at the center a perversion of Protestantism. While most (in)famous got racism, they were also opposed to immigrants and Catholics. They also punished people they saw as flagrant sinners. The latter included bootleggers (they supported prohibition). They were very much fundamentalism gone wrong.

      They attacked Black churches because they considered them false churches (they had to be in their thinking because black people weren't of God).

      Don't you think it would be a shame to judge all Protestants based on the actions of the KKK?

    55. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did your frontal lobes fire even one time when you vomited that condescending, stale apologetic drivel?

      Let me clue you in one something, Captain Falcon: a being that is perfect and self-sufficient has no needs, wants, or desires. As soon as you say "God wants X" you are blaspheming. In fact, if your God actually had the properties necessary for it to BE God, nothing would exist other than him, because of the above.

      Furthermore, your Hell was never part of your God's original plan; it is no coincidence that it only appeared among post-Exilic Jewish thought, as the Jewish priestly elite more or less absorbed Zoroastrianism wholesale, and then had a few centuries of Greco-Persian and straight Grecian influence brought to bear on them as well. You'd think your God would have told Adam, Eve, Noah, Methuselah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, Amos, Hosea, Samuel, Samson, David, SOMEONE out of his favored line, about this if it had been part of his idea. Nope. Instead he gets the pagan Persians and Greeks to do it.

      This isn't even getting into the obvious problems with free will theodicies. Here's a simple set of three questions for you:
      1) Do you have free will in heaven?
      2) Can you sin in heaven?
      3) Can you be thrown out of heaven?

      30 seconds of logical thought, which I realize is 30 seconds too much to demand out of your kind, should put that ridiculous free-will theodicy to rest.

    56. Re:Double standard by halivar · · Score: 1

      Don't you think it would be a shame to judge all Protestants based on the actions of the KKK?

      Yes.

      But I *DO* think that mid-20th-Century southern churches and their members absolutely bear blame. Where they were not cowardly silent in opposition to racism, they were full-throated in its support. There were exceptions, but by and large the faith organizations of the deep south were less concerned with the gospel of grace, and more concerned with the good-ol'-boy social network church provided and the hyper-partisan Dixiecrat politics it advanced. This didn't really start changing until the late 70's, and didn't complete until the early 90's.

      They attacked Black churches because they considered them false churches (they had to be in their thinking because black people weren't of God).

      I think you're wrong in the parenthetical, because the truth is much, much worse. They absolutely DO think black Christian are of God, and they can't stand it and hate those black people even more for it.

      Before the Civil War there were some states that had laws stating that a literate slave was subject to hanging, for the reason that if he could read the Bible, he could be saved. And if he could be saved, he could no longer be a slave (according to their self-serving interpretation of Titus, which prohibited the used of slaves by *any* Christian). And that simply would not do. This reveals the cognitive dissonance of unregenerate racists who claim Christianity. They cannot countenance sharing a religion with black people, to the extent of actively ignoring or cherry picking the doctrines of the faith to which they espouse.

      This is the reason, by the way, why many Christians use the "no true scotsman" argument when talking about people who perpetuate evil acts on others: they view the racist who proclaims Christianity the same as a self-proclaimed vegan eating a steak.

    57. Re:Double standard by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      So in the Fourth Crusade, when the Christians invaded, sieged, and sacked the city, Where were the Muslims?

    58. Re:Double standard by sjames · · Score: 1

      Like most twisting of various scripture, there's more than one way to do it.

      But back to the main point, many mainstream muslims view AlQaeda and ISIL much like a self-proclaimed vegan eating steak.

      It is likewise a shame to judge all Muslims based on the actions of some crazies in the Middle East.

      As for the silence, it continues. Driving through the midwest, I heard a radio preacher calling for the extermination of homosexuals. It was pretty scary stuff. Part of the silence is probably driven by being left speechless and part from not wanting to further inflame the idiots. I don't judge either Christians or mid-westerners based on him though, Every group has their crazies.

    59. Re:Double standard by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Al-Qaida and ISIL are doing a great deal of harm and terrorism (although ISIL is arguably a government), and they do it in the name of Islam. That doesn't show that Islam is inherently violent. Drop back a few centuries and you'll find lots of violence in the name of Christianity. Drop back enough and you'll find the Christians to be bigots and the Muslims relatively enlightened. If Christianity were inherently peaceful, we wouldn't find things like the Crusades and Inquisition and witch-burnings in history.

      We're talking "inherently" here. If Christianity were inherently peaceful, we wouldn't find periods in history when it inspired hate and violence. If Islam were inherently violent, we wouldn't find periods in history when it was relatively peaceful. Looking at history, clearly neither is inherently violent or peaceful.

      Christians who refuse to bake a cake for a reception following a gay wedding aren't put out of business. Christians who are offensive and vindictive about being asked can be, depending on how vindictive they are and how much grief they give innocent people wanting a wedding cake.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    60. Re:Double standard by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Nope. The sack by the Crusaders may have contributed to its later fall to a Muslim power. I'm not sure Constantinople ever really recovered.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    61. Re:Double standard by hierofalcon · · Score: 1

      The Bible records verse after verse of the wants and desires of God in both the Old and New Testament - and these are just the verses relating to mankind.

      As for God's original plan, I'll take Christ's word for it (Mt.25:41). It is just as likely that the concept was well known from ancient time and got passed to many false religions as that it was incorporated into Judaism from another source.

      As for your list of primary Jewish historical figures - just like today - He told them what they needed to do to get and stay right with Him. That is the important thing in religion and the Bible. There is no point in dwelling on written descriptions of the results of failure (immediate or eternal) - concentrate on what needs to be done to succeed. Certainly there were enough instances of the wrath of God against people who were not following His will to suffice.

      You do have free will in heaven, there is the possibility of sin in heaven, and you can be thrown out of heaven. Satan and the angels in heaven that followed him when he rebelled had free will and sinned. Although they have not been banned from heaven at this point in time (see Job and Rev. 12:10 for references), it will not be their eventual home (Rev. 20:10-15).

      The Bible gives no reason to believe that humanity in heaven would not have the same potential problems to contend with. One of the reasons people in heaven are allowed to view the horrors of hell is to remind them to do the right thing (Isa 66:22-24). Clearly, during the millennial period man will still have free will because at the end of it some choose to team up with Satan again in one last attempt to overthrow God (Rev 20:5-9).

  23. Bill Gates doesn't do anything anymore, does he? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He probably sits on a dozen or more boards of directors, but everyone knows that boards of directors don't actually do anything.

  24. Kill off the rich? by ilsaloving · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So... they want to kill off rich people in the hopes of *hurting* the economy?

    Can I assume that people are already tweeting them suggestions on who to go after, so that all the money that is currently being sequestered by all these rich people will finally be released back into the economy?

  25. flogging, maybe by kylemonger · · Score: 1

    Back in the 90's, for non-standards compliance alone I would have enjoyed seeing a random manager from Microsoft hung by their wrists and flogged. Daily. But bullets and bombs I'd reserve for the terrorists themselves, the bastards.

  26. Al Qaeda is irrelevent by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

    They are trying to "take focus" away from ISIS and get back in the spotlight.
    They know they are outdated and trying to get back up to speed in this Apps and Social driven reality.

    Up next:
    They are going to threaten Steve Jobs.

    --
    We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
    1. Re: Al Qaeda is irrelevent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Breathers! We must hunt down and kill the already dead infidel. His music player is deleting my songs!!

  27. Good thing by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Let Bill serve as a decoy, because if they bag Larry Ellison, Tim Cook or Jeff Bezos it'll totally be game over.

    --
    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    1. Re:Good thing by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 2

      They were going to try Larry Ellison but the waiting list from disgruntled Oracle and Java users meant that they wouldn't have had an attempt until 2035 at the earliest.

  28. Slashdot users will have a hissy fit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot users will have a hissy fit if we apprehend these bastards and demand their iPhones be decrypted so we can discover their plots and thwart them.

  29. I hope they don't go after Steve Jobs by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean, if they're going after Gates, might as well try to take out Apple too...

    1. Re:I hope they don't go after Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean, if they're going after Gates, might as well try to take out Apple too...

      Steve Jobs is already in iHeaven.

    2. Re:I hope they don't go after Steve Jobs by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      *wooossshhhh*

  30. If they were serious about destroying capitalism by FilmedInNoir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Instead of blowing up buildings and killing people (which for some sick reason boosts the economy) they would all get jobs as investment bankers and mortgage brokers.

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  31. Sounds like by maroberts · · Score: 1

    The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation should change its objectives from eliminating Mosquitoes to eliminating Al Qaeda

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    Karma: Chameleon

    1. Re:Sounds like by pr0fessor · · Score: 2

      Apparently mosquitoes are more dangerous and kill more people... and it's easier than stopping cancer.

  32. Is it me or - by Progman3K · · Score: 3

    Those terrorists sound like idiotic schoolchildren that have no idea how things work.

    Talk about moronic... They couldn't make themselves appear dumber if they tried

    --
    I don't know the meaning of the word 'don't' - J
    1. Re:Is it me or - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sad thing is, they probably didn't arrive at this idea on their own. They probably got it from one of our presidential candidates:
      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-wants-to-ban-the-internet-will-ask-bill-gates-to-close-it-up-a6764396.html

      That's from a speech where he's talking about how to stop ISIS. Maybe they are afraid that Trump got Bill to figure out how to close the internet and now they must stop him. bahaha

    2. Re:Is it me or - by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

      ...which makes me think we're reading a parody of what they're really saying. And makes me wonder who wrote the parody and who is behind the curtain.

      --
      If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
    3. Re:Is it me or - by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Yeah, or Bernie Sanders supporters. Eat the rich! We'll all finally become prosperous and everything will go our way!

      Other countries do most of the things he talks about by taxing the rich. It sounds like you don't get out much.

      Granted, they do have smaller houses, smaller cars, and less trinkets. If "stuff" is your main goal and you don't want a safety net, then don't vote him.

    4. Re:Is it me or - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're really pretty clueless. Google for the Panama Papers, and work your way up. The uber-rich are a plague on this and every nation. The baby boomers had your attitude, and look at the country now.

  33. heh... by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

    Alqueda_Propaganda_KillBill_Collage.wmv *Made with Windows Movie Maker

  34. """News""" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "which is absolutely sickening"

    Thanks again, news, for not being news, but instead being how I should feel *about* the news.

    1. Re:"""News""" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You don't get it: this is not /. editors telling you what to think, but covering their asses.

      Disclaimer: No personnel or representative would ever approve killing William Gates III. Anybody who executes or enables such actions does not represent Slashdot Media and are not related to it. All submitters own their own posts. We are nothing but a digital carrier.

  35. This explains a lot by overshoot · · Score: 4, Funny

    The terrorist group says that murdering high ranking people can damage the U.S. economy.

    They've been reading waaaaaaay too much Ayn Rand.

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    Lacking <sarcasm> tags, /. substitutes moderation as "Troll."
    1. Re:This explains a lot by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      They must have picked up the habit from post-evangelical conservatives.

    2. Re:This explains a lot by iris-n · · Score: 1

      Wow. Indeed. You kill the wealth creators, wealth stops being created. Simple, no?

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    3. Re:This explains a lot by overshoot · · Score: 1

      You kill the wealth creators, wealth stops being created. Simple, no?

      Precisely. If it weren't for Bill Gates, nobody would have software.

      --
      Lacking <sarcasm> tags, /. substitutes moderation as "Troll."
    4. Re:This explains a lot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "They've been reading waaaaaaay too much Ayn Rand."
      ==>
      They seem to understand much better the importance of symbolism when it comes to a war between the good vs. the evil...or rather the producers vs. the looters-&-moochers.

  36. losing bill Gates would help america, but others w by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    ppl like gates and Welch, immelt, fiorina, romety, etc would actually help America. problem is, that they will be the most protected ppl going.

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  37. Ugh by bobmajdakjr · · Score: 1

    This is obviously sick. But... Does Bill Gates even matter to the economy anymore? They are dumb on so many levels from human rights to current events, methinks.

  38. Morons.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Harm a guy that spends his fortune on helping the poor and developing countries..
    Can we eradicate these fools already? Ban their version of islam.

  39. Can't blame them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Running a terrorist organization just doesn't feel right when you have to click on a stupid dancing square to bring your sinister plans up.

  40. You are welcome, rest of the world by tehlinux · · Score: 2

    The Al-Qaeda spokesman was able to issue the statement because he hadn't died from malaria.

    --
    Most linux users don't know this, but the man pages were named after Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris fsck'ing hates noobs!
  41. What about the Irish? by tekrat · · Score: 1

    I remember when most terrorism we got to hear about was from the Irish -- should we condemn all Irish for the actions of a few wackos?

    There's a Christian Pastor, can't remember his name right now, but he's famous for holding a "Kill the Gays" rallies. The Klu Klux Klan considers itself a Christian organization, and if I can Godwin this conversation, Hilter was not a Muslim, and yet you're defending Christianity?

    From an atheist viewpoint, *all* your damn religions are about violence against others.

    --
    If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
    1. Re:What about the Irish? by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Hitler wasn't exactly Christian either. He persecuted Protestant priests. The Nazi party was all about Germanic neo-paganism.

      As for Atheism I could start ranting about Stalin or Mao Zedong.

    2. Re:What about the Irish? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there's a lot of atheist violence too. The point is, we're a violet species. Getting less violent all the time, but still violent.

    3. Re:What about the Irish? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      While there have certainly been horrible atheists, nobody commits atrocities in the name of atheism.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  42. What's good for the goose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    will backfire.

  43. Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why Islam needs to die.

    1. Re:Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Extermists maybe, Islam in general, no.

      Islam, when followed "properly" isn't a violent religion.

      It's the zealots, aka idiots, who fuck things over for everyone.

      If not for zealots, we'd not have had the crusade, salem witch trials, relgiious persecutions of all types.

      Zealots = Rabid dogs, need to be put down, hard and permanently.

      Others can coexist peacefully.

  44. Fixed that for you Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Al-Qaeda Calls For the Execution Of Bill Gates who Damages the US Economy"

    That would have been a good move some 25 years ago.

  45. Not exactly supervillians by tommyatomic · · Score: 1

    These jackasses only have the one hammer (murder innocent people and recruit the mentally deficient to murder innocent people) pretty much everything looks like a nail to them.

    Sample terrorist conversation:

    Terrorist 1: "Derp, Computers are hard."
    Terrorst 2: "Derp, Meybe we can fix it by killing innocent people"
    Terrorist 1: "Derp, If we became more educated and intelligent in order to solve our problems it might negatively impact our core belief system of murdering innocent people"
    Terrorist 2: "Right... So murder some people?"
    Terrorist 1: "Yup"

  46. CIA writes fake Al Qaeda magazine by tetraverse · · Score: 1

    I see there's a lot of this fake neocon propaganda on here lately.

  47. Windows 98 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Windows 98 is a better reason to whack Bill Gates

  48. Re:Religion of peace, my ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Liberal media have to account for the fact that there are millions of muslims that are peaceful and claim to be following the Qur'an. These people live in a state of contradiction but somehow that's not a problem for them. Avoiding contradictions is a western value.

  49. CIA putting the fear into the 1%? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We don't negotiate with terrorists, come at the 1% bro!

  50. Steve Jobs is already dead by Theovon · · Score: 1

    You may not agree, but some people hold the opinion that Steve Jobs was a visionary and that Apple has been going downhill ever since he died and as Apple uses up the ideas he bulked up before abandoning us to the afterlife. In theory, a sudden and unexpected death of Steve Jobs would have had a measurably impact on Apple’s performance.

    But these other people? Bill Gates hardly plays a role at Microsoft anymore, and most major companies have contingency plans to recover from losing their CEO anyhow. So killing major business people would have no measurable effect on the US economy.

    But keep in mind that terrorists are not rational people. If your world view clashes with the mainstream, going around killing people isn’t going to make you any new friends or drive people to join your cause. It’s just going to demonstrate that you’re an evil person. Basically, only people brainwashed into liking the Islamic State actually like the Islamic State. Everyone else (including most other people in the middle east) fear and loathe the Islamic State for being yet another group of extremists who make all Muslims look bad.

  51. Not a real problem! by Spankalot · · Score: 1

    Darnold Trumpet will build a wall all the way aroung the USA and make Al-Qaeda and ISIS and the Canadians and Mexicans pay for it. We will all be safe then :P

  52. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bill Gates? What for? If Bill Gates were to die, I'm sure the economy would improve, lol! Why can't they do something useful like put a hit on Trump, or Clinton? Damn idiot terrorists.

  53. Oh please by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    Killing Bill Gates would only affect his gardener and the pool cleaning staff.

    I suppose it's possible that the local Ferrari dealership may see a slight drop in sales. Other than that, no impact on the US economy.

    --
    Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
  54. Poking the sleeping bear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ali-Kabali-Kashini-kabob should look out.
    Those "high level targets" can buy their countries out from under them and bring in enough Russian nukes to "redecorate" their new possessions.

  55. Re:If they were serious about destroying capitalis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or as underwriters... those people whose job it is to make it absurdly difficult to get a loan.

    "The underwriter came back with 3 conditions. 1) They need another months history for your bank account. 2) They need evidence of your 401k balance. 3) They need evidence you've converted, or are starting to convert, to radical Islam."

  56. Bill Gates looks so old by mea2214 · · Score: 1

    I clicked through on this BS made up story created by fiction writers trained to get people like me to click on a link and up comes a current picture of Bill Gates. Has anyone noticed how old he looks now? Time affords no mercy even for billionaires.

    1. Re:Bill Gates looks so old by twmcneil · · Score: 1

      Normal.

      He's only a few months older than I am and I look like shit too.

      --
      "The ferrets, they're every where I tell you!"
  57. systemd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Which terrorist gentleman do I send money to in order to get Lennart Poettering's name on this list?

  58. And this... by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

    This is the one and only time that fear of terism should inform your daily life and decisions, when they single you out by name.

    Perhaps this is why our politicians constantly tell us that we should all be afraid of terists... because they are all personally afraid of them...

    --
    My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
  59. Oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    while this would help the economy can we get Larry Ellison added to this list ?

    1. Re:Oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      while this would help the economy can we get Larry Ellison added to this list ?

      You see this is the thing with terrorist organizations. They always choose the wrong target.

  60. Bill Gates champion for developing countries by mcpublic · · Score: 1

    It just goes to show that the bad guys don't do their homework. Bill and Melinda Gates are the biggest philanthropists of all time, their generosity extends the world over, and they have a Middle East Team specifically to benefit Arab countries.

    1. Re:Bill Gates champion for developing countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why Bill is on the list.
      Can't have people being educated so that they know the religious zealots have been and continue to lie through their wooden false teeth just to keep power of the people around them. They might have to "get a job" and "work" for a living otherwise.

    2. Re:Bill Gates champion for developing countries by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      My guess is thats exactly what got him on the list.
      Al Queda explicitly don't want the local populace being educated.
      As long as their foot soldiers remain ignorant/uneducated, they are MUCH easier to control with illogical ideologies and fairytales.

    3. Re:Bill Gates champion for developing countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why Bill is on the list.
      Can't have people being educated so that they know the religious zealots have been and continue to lie through their wooden false teeth just to keep power of the people around them.

      Which is why a lot of my charitable contributions these days goes toward education. Particularly education of girls. Particularly education of girls in Muslim majority countries. You want to hit Al-Qaeda and their ilk right where it hurts most? Educate their women and girls. It will scare them shitless!!!

  61. Real estate: Not real, and not your estate by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    Real estate can only go up as long as the common man can buy it

    Real estate (by which I mean a home on a plot of land) hasn't been in reach of the common (wo)man for decades. Most real estate is owned not by the common man, but by the banks, mortgage companies and so on. Actual ownership, if it occurs at all, happens so late in life as to be irrelevant for most people (and of course, even when it's paid off, if you fail to pay your taxes, or happen to be somewhere someone with money wants to build something [see Kelo v. City of New London, 545 U.S. 469], you'll find out who really controls ownership... protip: it's not you.)

    Does this stop anyone? No. They just saddle up with (more...and more... and more...) debt, hang out on the property the bank owns (as long as that is convenient for the 1%-ers), and life goes on; the rich get richer, because the poor pay more and more to them, both in base price and in interest.

    There's no ceiling to real estate prices. We're a huge distance past the "I own it" point for most people. But there is illusion. Would you like another slice?

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    1. Re:Real estate: Not real, and not your estate by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      ...the common (wo)man for decades...

      Why not just say person?

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  62. We build mountains. They build flag poles. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Interesting
    (Caveat: I used to belong to sort of them. Was Indian. Now American).

    In the West, we have built very strong enduring institutions. For people who grew up in the USA, they seem to be slowly decaying becoming corrupt. But only when you come in from a different society, after growing up there, you would see the difference. The level of honesty and trust in the government, in the institutions, private or public, is very high in America. It would take India a century or more to build such institutions of integrity. I told my bond broker cousin in Bombay, "As the Watergate scandal was picking up steam, IRS audited the sitting President of the USA, found him in violation of tax code, and assessed half a million dollars in taxes and penalties. It cut Nixon's net worth by half. Nixon paid without complaining or creating a ruckus. Nixon!". He was stunned beyond belief. Such things do not simply happen there. Despite all the insider trading and the banksters becoming fraudsters, SEC and Wall Street is light years ahead of regulation and disclosure of Indian capital markets.

    Here in USA we build mountains. Someone is on top of the mountain, but there are several who could replace him/her, and that person, single handedly does not achieve any thing big. In the Middle East and in India, probably China, it is all personality cult. Build one pedestal, put a flag pole on it, and put their leader on top of the flag pole. Leader goes down, there is no one to step and continue the system. The leader actively undermines and sabotages the career of anyone who could replace him. Surrounded by sycophants and flatterers, the leaders live in bubbles. India is way better than Pakistan in this respect, and Pakistan is better than Bangladesh and the Arab countries. But none of them even come close to USA, Canada, Western Europe, Australia and NZ in terms of governance and public integrity.

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    1. Re:We build mountains. They build flag poles. by phorm · · Score: 1

      You do realize it's been a *LONG* time since Nixon, right, and that many things have changed (not for the better)?

    2. Re:We build mountains. They build flag poles. by Kirth · · Score: 1

      I think you're on to something there. But I'm not entirely convinced, because I think there is actually that network of flatterers and sycophants in place here as well, with the most obvious consequence that the people on top don't actually have any idea on what happens at the base of the mountain. Yes, if the top get removed one of those sycophants becomes the new top, but he's still completely removed from the reality below.

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    3. Re:We build mountains. They build flag poles. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have Trump trying to put up a flagpole, though. It probably won't succeed (it's been tried before here, and never has), but the threat never goes away, anywhere.

  63. More likely Windows Vista by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Funny

    His philanthropy may even be what is irritating them, who knows?

    Actually given how out of date they seem I suspect that it may be because they have only just upgraded to Vista.

    1. Re:More likely Windows Vista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they got automatically upgraded to Windows 10 without being asked. I think that would be worthy of a jihad.

    2. Re:More likely Windows Vista by meerling · · Score: 1

      Vista?! No, it's probably more like Windows ME, and they're just now finding out what kind of hellspawn nightmare that version of #### was.

  64. their money is your office, the Tesla factory by raymorris · · Score: 2

    > Actually every decade we should kill off the top .01%. That by itself will keep the economy flowing as their cash will keep being moved instead of just sitting there.

    I hope you're being sarcastic, but in case you're just young or woefully uninformed, I'll explain it for you. You don't get rich by putting cash under your mattress. You get rich by owning productive capital. The office you're sitting in, the computer you're using at work, and those glossy flyers advertising your company's products are the rich people's money (and our retirement savings). They get and stay rich by having their MONEY work for them rather than them just working for wages. Their money is your office, it's the Tesla factory, their money is the grocery store you shop at. You COULD take their money and use it buy Obama-phones. It is then no longer available build offices, upgrade your office equipment, or print more marketing materials to sell the company's product, or to maintain the grocery store building and equipment. You end up with a "free" phone, but you'd no loner have an office, a computer on your desk, or grocery store with working refrigeration.

    They use $4,000 of their money to get you, their employee, training for a new certification and then they have an employee worth $8,000. We could let politicians decide how resources are allocated based on contributions they recieve, or we could do this:
    Everybody who finds ways to cause money to increase, to use resources in a way that generates more resources, can then manage some of the new resources they created in order to create even more. They can also take a portion of the increase (profit) and distribute it to people who build good things, like cars, houses , and low-power SOCs. The first option (government control of resources) is how Cuba works now and Russia used to work, until it collapsed. The second option (people who efficiently multiply resources manage the resources to create even more and pay people to make stuff) is called capitalism.

    Btw, the corollary to the first part is that if you're stuffing your money under your mattress, or spending on Starbucks, you probably won't get rich, or even particularly compfortable. To do well, you'll want to be an owner of productive capital. The easiest way to do that is to share ownership of a company like General Mills or Union Pacific. You can buy shares (part ownership) for as little as $80. To reduce risk, it's best to buy shares in 100 different companies at once. That's called a mutual fund. The best ones have low expenses. IVE and UMBIX are examples of good choices.

  65. Obama has already ruined the US economy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're too late. Obama's long-term plan to ruin the U.S. economy is already having an effect.

  66. Election law violation! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Obviously al-Qaeda is working for the Trump campaign. Those comments about what refugees should be admitted seemed so far out just last fall. Then followed Paris, Cologne, Brussels, and now this. Our military couldn't kill al-Qaeda, but now we can set our lawyers on them. Better call for heavenly mercy!

  67. Terror Organism by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    Next time they'll just extend a sudo-pod.

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  68. GoFundMe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this next for them? There are plenty of wackos that would give them money for a hit list, and that's just a sad commentary on our society.

  69. Elect Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That should do enough to damage the U.S. economy. I wonder if they already thought of that and donated to the Clinton Foundation a few years ago.

  70. Did Al-Qaeda recently upgrade to Windows 3.1? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did Al-Qaeda recently upgrade from MS DOS to Windows 3.1 and they pissed off?

  71. I wonder who's next on their list... by DaveMikulec · · Score: 1

    Doogie Howser?

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  72. Bible [Re:Because the Quran says] by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    The Bible also has some rather violent suggestions. Such books are kind of like a Rorschach test: you see what you want in them. They both have tolerance and violence.

    After clobbering each other bloody for a hundred odd years, Christian factions finally saw a giant clue-stick built out of caskets and learned to coexist peacefully. It's not Bible passages, but reality that changed them.

    Unfortunately, Islam is repeating history.

    1. Re:Bible [Re:Because the Quran says] by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Well, except that the founder of Christianity actually taught peace.

      The whole clobbering each other bloody business was brought about by people in power wanting to keep it, often by stopping others from discovering the message of Christianity for themselves.

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    2. Re:Bible [Re:Because the Quran says] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      the founder of Christianity actually taught peace.

      That's a matter of interpretation, Luke 22:36 and Matthew 10:34, for example; and the Old Testament cannot be entirely discounted in terms of what measures still apply.

      bloody business was brought about by people in power wanting to keep it, often by stopping others from discovering the message of Christianity for themselves.

      I would like some clarification on that.

  73. Much better ways to hurt the US economy by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I don't think getting rid of the marketer Bill Gates would hurt the US economy much. Here are better ways to hurt the US economy:

    1) Along with the symbolic buildings they have attacked, they could attack economically significant, but more easily damaged, infrastructure. For example, an oil pipeline can carry $15 billion of oil each year. Destroying a major one would SEVERELY damage the economies of both the areas with refining and reprocessing plants (such as plastics makers) and the economy of the areas producing the oil at the inputs to the pipeline, who would then have to pay much, much more to ship the oil to market in individual train cars.

    2) They could do many small attacks, completely unpredictably, but always focused against economic activity (business). Pick new businesses at random - the day a new store opens, blow it up or just light it on fire. As a matter of fact, focusing on new businesses, but otherwise being random would be great - the unpredictability would scare potential entrepreneur and few people would open new businesses.

    3) Even better - when they do simple arson against a new business owned by a white person, leave Black Panther markings behind and conversely leave KKK markings when they burn or bomb a business that a black person is starting. That would get US fighting among ourselves, hurting ourselves a lot more than foreign terrorists could hurt us directly.

    4) I'm pondering things that drain the economy. The US wastes a trillion dollars ($6,300 per US worker) every year just paying INTEREST on money its federal government has borrowed. If terrorists could influence US policy to double that number, that would take another $6,300 from every American family every year. Can you think of any ways terrorists could get the government to waste a shit load of money?

    I didn't just come up with all these on my own, of course. Leaders of radical anti-American groups have been doing them. Especially #1 and #4, along with a weakened version of #2 have been quite effective for the single most dangerous critic of America.

    1. Re:Much better ways to hurt the US economy by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      And yet they don't do any of those really simple things. I wonder why? You don't even need real bombs. Just plant a fake one at 1% of airports and you'll probably shut down the skies.

      Seems like the only terrorist attacks that happen in the US these days are spree shootings, and let's face it, people aren't quite as shocked at those as they once were.

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    2. Re:Much better ways to hurt the US economy by meerling · · Score: 1

      Terrorists aren't exactly known for intelligence or thinking rationally.

    3. Re:Much better ways to hurt the US economy by gweihir · · Score: 1

      You have misunderstood how terrorism works. The way to do it is to do relatively little direct damage, but cause maximum fear. Then let your adversary do it to themselves. Even 9/11 works that way, and the initial damage was relatively insignificant compared to what the US has done to themselves as a result since.

      Terrorism is a bit like a blasting cap: Do not supply the explosives yourself, just set it off. Prime targets are hidden insecurities often under hidden unjustified arrogance ("They would never dare to hit us at home!", "Foreign terrorist cannot hurt us!" and similar mistaken feel-good propaganda used to cover fear by boasting) that are easy to bring to the surface. After hit, the target will then do whatever they can think of to established what they mistakenly believe think was the status-quo before. That cannot work, as the original, hidden problems with that are all still in place. But the target usually does an inordinate amount of damage to themselves in this futile quest. A core booster to this negative effect are law-and-order authoritarians that will grasp at any and all straws to "do something" and will try to establish a police-state or even total fascism as "defensive" measure. Now, history shows us that this makes everybody actually significantly less secure because of the massive negative effects on freedoms, rational use of funds, education and innovation, etc. these efforts have. A society too much focused on "defense" implodes, because it forgets to do the things that make it work and worthwhile as a society.

      The totally fascinating thing about this is that a target that is rational and at-ease with itself cannot really be hurt by terrorism to any significant degree.

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    4. Re:Much better ways to hurt the US economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they really wanted to hurt the US economy, they'd set up a central bank there, get the laws changed to allow zero-reserve lending, then convince the government to take on massive debt through deficit spending. Convince the public that housing is a "guaranteed winner" for investments, then using printed money, give everyone giant loans with no proof of employment or ability to pay back. When these people who do real work for a living, can't pay back the predator loan you gave them, you take the house. Shit, sometimes even when everything was paid back, you just take the house anyway since the courts are on your side and you can claim it was all an honest clerical error if somehow you get found at fault.

      When things start to really fall apart, threaten to blow up the economy unless you get an obscene amount of money as a bailout, and guarantees that none of your terroris...er, banker, buddies will face charges.

      Top this off with more lobbying to allow offshoring of all of the local jobs, and importing of cheap labor that was more difficult to offshore and you've got a sure-fire plan to destroy the US economy.

    5. Re:Much better ways to hurt the US economy by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Oil pipelines are relatively easy to repair, and spare parts are stockpiled. Stupid choice. Pumping stations make more sense and still aren't a good choice.

      The very obvious weak point is the electrical grid. Alert people have been pointing to its weaknesses for over a decade (EMP is the large scale issue, but a host of small attacks could do similar damage.) The global production capacity to replace blown transformers is about 5%/year for just the US. (Although I believe new production could come online quickly and rebuilding is an option to replacing.)

      Once terrorism becomes obvious, large scale, and frequent, only morons and villains like Obama and H. Clinton would fail to recognize a state of war. A full US war against terrorist nations (not the piddly efforts we've engaged in so far) would leave terrorist nations incapable of any activity whatsoever.

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    6. Re:Much better ways to hurt the US economy by johanw · · Score: 1

      Perhaps another war would finally drive the US so much in debt that their foreign investors would not accept newly printed US dollars as payment any more but demand real money. The best thing ISIS could do to do that would be to make sure Hillary becomes president.

    7. Re: Much better ways to hurt the US economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't pay interest on the national debt, because we have no intention of paying off the national debt. Creditors will get pennies on the dollar.

    8. Re: Much better ways to hurt the US economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like adding "... in bed" to any fortune cookie, try "... in comic books" to every /. post talking about terrorism.

      MAXIMUM FEAR!!

  74. Interesting that they have never actually done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    such a thing. Al Queda and their like have a lot of vocal critics in the US who actually succeed in bringing war against the Middle East. Yet not one assassination, or assassination attempt even, against any of those big mouths. Makes me think it is all about munitions manufacturing.

  75. Bill Gates by idji · · Score: 1

    .. is too busy making sure that north Pakistani and Afghan children never get polio, to be available to be killed.

  76. Because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they are just a front for Saudi and US interests.

    I mean c'mon, the average Arab and/or Muslim isn't stupid enough to attack 'weak' targets like Bill Gates (who wouldn't do ANY economic damage, given that he's retired. The only damage that could be done is against the B&M G Foundation, and it would be easier to hit their outreach programs in Africa than the 'faces' of it directly.) The only ones stupid enough to attack these targets are 'true believers/jihadists' worked under the leadership of people who are basically the Muslim equivalent of the KKK (as depicted in Sons of Anarchy/Banshee/etc.) They aren't ACTUALLY trying to fight for White/Arab/Muslim liberation, whatever they will say, but rather to advance their own financial or political agendas, often entailing the weaking of economic markets they have a stake in or wish to depress enough to make a significant investment in taking over.

    Follow the money and it all coalesces.

  77. don't they? by raymorris · · Score: 2

    > And yet they don't do any of those really simple things.

    They don't? It seems to me that SOMEONE who vowed destroy the US as we knew and "fundamentay transform" it has been destroying or blocking economically important infrastructure such as pipelines, doubling the debt, vowing to "relentlessly go after" business owners while creating uncertainty for entrepeneurs, and spreading race-based propaganda. Maybe it wasn't a terrorist per se, maybe that was somebody else who blames the US for the fact that the middle east has been at war for 3,000 years.

    1. Re:don't they? by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      > Maybe it wasn't a terrorist per se, maybe that was somebody else who blames the US for the fact that the middle east has been at war for 3,000 years.

      He would have to be pretty ridiculously misinformed to think that the area has been at war for 3,000 years.... or that the

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    2. Re:don't they? by Rhaize · · Score: 1

      I see what you did there, Clever

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  78. Too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gates has done the most damage he could and done the best he could. No point doing anything to him now. Like Jobs he literally is history.

  79. If all it takes by s.petry · · Score: 1

    is circular logic to blow your mind, then circular logic is all it takes to blow your mind.

    So now the world has one less AC.. woohoo!

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    1. Re: If all it takes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, there are plenty of AC to take up the arms. We are a clone army.

    2. Re: If all it takes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, I will add, people that log in are afraid their comments are not interesting/insightful/funny enough to be modded up without the initial karma boost. Bunch of fags if you ask me...

  80. It seems mild in a way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    considering how many lives the U.S. has ended to both keep their own economy and the Dollar afloat, and negatively impacting other economies to the same end.

  81. Problem with plans by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    1) Along with the symbolic buildings they have attacked, they could attack economically significant, but more easily damaged, infrastructure. For example, an oil pipeline can carry $15 billion of oil each year.

    In the U.S. they would be shot, Alaska in particular they would get shot and then eaten by grizzly bears and/or a Moose.

    Pick new businesses at random - the day a new store opens, blow it up or just light it on fire.

    Again, shot.

    when they do simple arson against a new business owned by a white person, leave Black Panther markings behind

    Pretty obvious from the bodies that have been shot they are no Black Panthers.

    I'm pondering things that drain the economy. The US wastes a trillion dollars ($6,300 per US worker) every year just paying INTEREST on money its federal government has borrowed. If terrorists could influence US policy to double that number,

    Oh, you guys and your *crazy* Obama "H" theories!

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  82. Re:losing bill Gates would help america, but other by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We could get rid of you. Problem is, nobody would notice or care.

  83. If They're Using Skype To Coordinate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    then Gates is safe. That software has universally sucked since MS took it over.

  84. 100BC to 2016 is well documented by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Certainly the near constant war in the region has been well documented since at least the wars with Rome around 100 BC, then the Persian empires and the Sasanians, the Seljuq Turks, the Mongols, the Ottomans, the Safavid ...

    1. Re:100BC to 2016 is well documented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny the same thing can be said for the US the entire time of it's existence. Near constant war. Most of the time covert as enablers and on other continents, never the less three letter agencies are a part of the US government structure.

  85. That is Montenegro's fault by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > Funny the same thing can be said for the US the entire time of it's existence.

    That's only because of Montenegro has been doing. If it weren't for Montenegro, the US would have eternal peace and harmony.

  86. These are Windows Millennium users. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe Vista users.

    -Syirrus

  87. Hurting the US economy by killing retirees? by sabbede · · Score: 1

    Is their plan to destroy the US by ensuring the solvency of Social Security? How's that supposed to work?

  88. we don't PRINCIPAL. Each pay $500/month interest by raymorris · · Score: 1

    We don't pay down any PRINCIPAL to pay it off. The INTEREST is a significant portion of what your tax dollars pay for. It comes out to $6,300 per year per worker, or about $500/month.

    Per net taxpayer, it's about $9,000 per year. (Net taxpayer meaning people who pays more then zero taxes. Doesn't include someone who is charged $3,000 in taxes and gets a $4,500 credit, thereby receiving $1,500 from taxpayers.)

  89. Which means the US government wants bill gates dea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Becuase there is no such thing as al CIA dub

  90. Stupid is as Stupid does. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    al-Quacka is a laugh a minute.

  91. Al Qaeda / ISIS = False Flag bogeymen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Al Qaeda was created by our government and those elite globalists who own our government, to carry out false flag Hegelian dialectic acts (9/11) in order to scare the plebs (you) into accepting attachment of further slave chains / tax / debt to you and accept the death of your soldiers / sons...in order to pay for military based conquests that benefit the global elite while at the same time consolidating their power further by taking away your constitutional rights (Patriot act.....ect).

    This bogeyman / zeitgeist / Al Qaeda / ISIS strategy has been successfully used by Kings, tyrants and now globalist NWO Oligarchs for hundreds of year.........wake up and smell your slavery!!! Would not be the first time these pycho's assassinated a world leader.....Lincoln, Kennedy....basically anyone who threatens their flimsy source of power....the goal banking system pyramid scheme.

      The only issue is that Humans are not really designed to be subjugated by fear into some kind of global technological Orwellian cast system...that is why "the more they tighten their grip... the more star systems will slip through their fingers"......the concept of centralized power is antiquated silly psychopath
      human stuff and will never compete with the way nature really works..... decentralization.

  92. I don't advocate murder, but by Gondola · · Score: 1

    Why doesn't some billionaire or coalition of billionaires fund some mercs to go cripple Al Qaeda and Daesh, unless these terrorist groups are somehow good for their version of the economy?

  93. Our Duty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As Americans it is our duty to protect the rich from terrorists. Rich people good. Terrorists bad.

  94. To really ruin the U.S. Economy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Al-Qaeda could do more damage by putting successful business leaders in U.S. Public Office. oh wait that's already about to happen...

  95. OPEC Oil by NewYork · · Score: 1

    USA could have prevented https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... had it rolled out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... in 1971 when OPEC Oil is pegged to US dollar http://www.zerohedge.com/print...

  96. Trickle Down Economics by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    They must be fans of Reagan and trickle down economics if they think killing billionaires will hurt the US economy. If anything the only thing that might hurt is investment in China, India and various other places where everything is outsourced.

    If they really want to tear down the USA economy, given recent history, their best bet would either be:
    A) Go to school, get a business degree, start/buy a bank on Wall Street, and start making ridiculous investment vehicles for hedge funds to bet on. Of course they will have to compete with all the Americans actively trying to do the exact same thing anyway.
    B) Get into US politics, and enable A).

  97. Racist countries by NewYork · · Score: 1
  98. I do believe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...this is the same tactic the current U.S. drug policy enforcers have been using for some time...