The censorship of the word is what gives it power.
Somewhat true really, if the word was mainstream and not something people were shocked or suprised to hear, it would not be something people would need to hide or shelter others from.
On a similar line of thought....why do we use a word for certain things? Because at some point someone decided that word would mean that. Subjective by person
An apple might be called a quazar, a fish might be a globbitygook...all based on who decided to name that thing however long ago really, at least thats my view on the whole of language. (just look at how each language has different words for various things!)
Strange the person may've bought an actual semi useful thing..once they get some of the junk off of it!
Perhaps the bootleggers in this example have actually produced something with some degree of quality/usefulness that surpasses the real one...well at least to the Apple haters out there of course.
I doubt it will protect us really, afterall I have my own views on how well 'anti-counterfeiting' will work in countries that have repeatedly basically said "We'll do something about it!" then obviously not done anything.
As for moral of the story we can take another from it...
"There is a strong market for cheap thrill devices in bars!"
You know I'm almost never ceasing to be amazed by the effort and dedication of people who bootleg.
So much hard work. So much time spent working out how to design, construct, and replicate just close enough to make the sale and in some places even make a 'moderately' working replica.
If only the bootleggers could be recruited to actually create and sell your product!
On another thought you have to wonder on a component standpoint some of the bootleggers/replicators (wow sounds like I'm talking about some robot race) throw it all together with all that effort and sell it so cheap when a suitably crappy real version can cost quadruple or more!
Thats actually an interesting psychological aspect. Most everyone needs to find a social group to identify with and most of the child development that I'm aware of (at least socially) requires finding that group no?
By the same token aren't we somewhat moving away from the requirement of direct social interaction as the internet social monster continues to grow. While it may not replace it can perhaps provide some 'assistance' in finding an identity and place socially...even if not too grand of a social culture (at least in terms of how many view such culture.)
I wonder though if retinal implants could really be made to be removable on even a semi consistent basis. The cochlear implant obviously can but retinal seems a bit more touchy of an area ya know?
Actually this has alot more grand possibilities then simply helping the disabled too. Imagine when it can have IR and UV range visiblity to it. Imagine when you can put some form of built in magnification. Imagine if you could dynamically filter out specific light wavelengths?
The implications of this sort of technology can very quickly become staggering in terms of taking humans beyond the 'visible' spectrum requirement and into so much wilder landscapes.
Yes it starts with helping the disabled because they have nothing and many have experiences and ability or even potential that could grow and help others with the ability to see once more. They also have 'nothing to lose' if the procedure does not work. If the implant does not function did the patient lose anything more then still being blind? It becomes a test base and a possibility of helping people. A win win for the company and society.
Very well, I'll break down my statements more since you would rather attack the style and me rather then simply the statement.
Firstly filibuste's post appears defensive and antagonistic to a degree effectively making the 'point' in a manner that makes it sound very much as an excuse and not an explanation.
Statements like "as a parent you tend to focus on those 2 kids, leaving the 2 others a bit more alone. Sure as hell you cannot be on their back 24h a day." seem more angered and insulting then openly willing to discuss the situation. It even gives the idea that the other two are being left alone more and as we are left to infer the extent of this then we cannot make an accurate judgment but as with most things involving children we tend to take the more detrimental view. The final statement in that about "Sure as hell cannot be on their back." seems to imply that talking to them or spending time with them is seen as "being on their back" as most times people resort to such hyperbole statements when they do not want to give any sort of rough estimate of time, or have no concept of it. The whole statement seems more indicative of the poster not wanting to spend the time talking as they feel the former obligations take precedence over the latter.
You seem to assume that I am advocating that the parent must spend all of their time however filibuste's comments seem to have a manner that point toward a focus on 2 and a lack of desire or dislike of the idea of having to spend additional time if any with the other two. While filibuste is likely just making do as best as possible the method and manner of the statements do not contribute to that view and instead portray a person that favors two for time, and not the others and expresses it in an 'excuse' form.
You then go on to attack the community and politics and other posters as well. You say that my post is not insightful and that the mods got it wrong, and then you go on to attack me?
Would that not make your post also not insightful and flamebait?
My post I worded rather carefully as to not outright say filibuste was neglecting or harming or not spending time with the children.
You'll note my comment has statements that say things that it sounds "like" he is making an excuse or that. I did make a disclaimer for the harsher argument on it which most were likely expecting and I made the small disclaimer to let those who thought not to see such a harsher view could not read it.
I have quite a bit of compassion overall however I make arguments and comments to try to point out aspects I see that do not seem to fit with a person's statements.
I also question your judgment in this situation as you have another moderately flaming post as well directed at Eskarel. You make such claims as attacking the posts or commenters being horrible and deplorable yet you yourself seem on a crusade to attack and insult other commenters, moderators, and the community as a whole.
I'm not sure how damaging to the enviroment a natural gas leak would be. Isn't that just methane leaking out? It would form bubbles and then travel to surface and disperse one would think.
Actually not going to be that effective since they are using a smaller explosion to freak out the fish too. It is not too likely of having alot of fish available in that area while they are doing this because the fish are gonna be scared to hell of the whole area.
I actually see the point of that, as the oxidization (exploding does that quickly!) changes the stuff chemically.
Not to mention by exploding it underwater might cause some chemical reactions in the process that might actually neutralize the stuff even more effectively compared to an open air explosion.
I think we need to see the actual 'note' for evidence. After all the drama surrounding the issue we have a very very high chance of this all being a stunt.
Gamers as a whole are unlikely to approach someone's home and leave a PHYSICAL note. Most gamers have enough concept and paranoia of the real world law (just see what happens if one of their buddies mentions they got a 'cease and desist' type notice for pirating a game or movie) that they generally do not like doing things that might bring the real world authorities into play.
Not to mention also a threatening note is easily a candidate for investigation/arrest material even simple fingerprinting is possible to apprehend a suspect for threats.
If it was a gamer doing this we would be more likely to see something about a threatening email or website, NOT a physical letter under his door. Considering a large majority of/. are gamers, would you write a threatening letter to someone in a position of power and leave it at their door?
The other fishy thing here is no vandalism, if someone was UPSET or bothered enough to actually travel to his home and leave a threatening letter then I don't see why vandalism was not an issue here. Someone young enough to do something as silly/stupid as leaving the note would certainly not be smart enough to avoid the temptation of vandalism at the same time.
Exactly. The "for the children" arguement is overused as a whole. It will only stop people who don't truly WANT to get around it.
Especially with technology progressing as it does people WILL find ways around the filter as they develop more skills. Look at what happened in Iran with the elections. They tried to shut everyone out and BAM new technology and skills went right around it. The resources, time, etc are all wasted on things like this when they could be used to better educate people on what is out there, and encourage children AND adults to know what to avoid and the consequences of actions, instead of simply putting a wall up and hoping noone finds a way to climb over.
Thats what always confuses the heck out of me.
It was "be careful, don't talk to strangers. Don't take anything from strangers, look both ways before crossing the street, be home by dinner, and clean your room." were the rules of the land.
During the school year it might include "Do your homework."
And at times for some "Stop teasing your brother/sister!" normally yelled.
Now its not so much a "go out and learn the world, but be careful!" sort of thing but "Don't do anything we don't specifically say you can do!" which is likely hurting children FAR more then helping them.
See, but now you're saying that because of the 2 you don't have ANY time. Is that true? The OP did NOT say anything about how much time would need devoted, simply mentioned that some time.
Yes you have two children with additional needs but it sounds almost like you are trying to make an excuse for why the other two might not have proper parenting.
Would such work if say one of those children injured themselves in the home and if questioned you said "I'm sorry but I was taking care of the other two children, I did not have time to make sure that one was safe."
Parenting is one thing, being on the child's back constantly is a wholly different thing.
For the more harsh argument, if you have issues managing the two children with disabilities then why do you have 4 children? (i'm not sure on the order of birth/twins/triplets/quadruplets in the situation)
HAH! I love how China acts like they are innocent and all.
"China's laws forbid hacking attacks and violations of citizens' privacy, the statement said, apparently referring to the issues raised by Google.""
Riiiight. I'm also the Queen of England! China would NEVER hack anyone.
The Chinese government is one of the biggest fattest LIARS ever. They constantly say one thing while time and time again they prove that they don't care about anyone's benefit but their own.
Whether it is manipulating trade markets and currancy, hacking, controlling the people of the country, human rights issues, etc. Yet whenever confronted they are all "You can't tell us what to do" or "we don't do that!" or "We will change things." but what changes? Exactly nothing. They might sweep it under the rug or shift things around but nearly every time the SAME issue comes right back up.
The world needs to basically tell China to stuff it and come back when they learn their lesson. Stop manufacturing stuff in China, stop buying Chinese goods, the whole nine yards. Put the squeeze on them till they show their hand.
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A moment of laxity spawns a lifetime of heresy? New motto for you?
Well not bad one though, add in "There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt." and we're well on our way!
Sign me up!
The censorship of the word is what gives it power.
Somewhat true really, if the word was mainstream and not something people were shocked or suprised to hear, it would not be something people would need to hide or shelter others from.
On a similar line of thought....why do we use a word for certain things? Because at some point someone decided that word would mean that. Subjective by person
An apple might be called a quazar, a fish might be a globbitygook...all based on who decided to name that thing however long ago really, at least thats my view on the whole of language. (just look at how each language has different words for various things!)
Strange the person may've bought an actual semi useful thing..once they get some of the junk off of it!
Perhaps the bootleggers in this example have actually produced something with some degree of quality/usefulness that surpasses the real one...well at least to the Apple haters out there of course.
I doubt it will protect us really, afterall I have my own views on how well 'anti-counterfeiting' will work in countries that have repeatedly basically said "We'll do something about it!" then obviously not done anything.
As for moral of the story we can take another from it...
"There is a strong market for cheap thrill devices in bars!"
So its a cheap softcore porn device? I could see a market for this thing in bars everywhere!
You know I'm almost never ceasing to be amazed by the effort and dedication of people who bootleg.
So much hard work. So much time spent working out how to design, construct, and replicate just close enough to make the sale and in some places even make a 'moderately' working replica.
If only the bootleggers could be recruited to actually create and sell your product!
On another thought you have to wonder on a component standpoint some of the bootleggers/replicators (wow sounds like I'm talking about some robot race) throw it all together with all that effort and sell it so cheap when a suitably crappy real version can cost quadruple or more!
Thats actually an interesting psychological aspect. Most everyone needs to find a social group to identify with and most of the child development that I'm aware of (at least socially) requires finding that group no?
By the same token aren't we somewhat moving away from the requirement of direct social interaction as the internet social monster continues to grow. While it may not replace it can perhaps provide some 'assistance' in finding an identity and place socially...even if not too grand of a social culture (at least in terms of how many view such culture.)
I wonder though if retinal implants could really be made to be removable on even a semi consistent basis. The cochlear implant obviously can but retinal seems a bit more touchy of an area ya know?
Actually this has alot more grand possibilities then simply helping the disabled too. Imagine when it can have IR and UV range visiblity to it. Imagine when you can put some form of built in magnification. Imagine if you could dynamically filter out specific light wavelengths?
The implications of this sort of technology can very quickly become staggering in terms of taking humans beyond the 'visible' spectrum requirement and into so much wilder landscapes.
Yes it starts with helping the disabled because they have nothing and many have experiences and ability or even potential that could grow and help others with the ability to see once more. They also have 'nothing to lose' if the procedure does not work. If the implant does not function did the patient lose anything more then still being blind? It becomes a test base and a possibility of helping people. A win win for the company and society.
Maybe, might work decently.
Although it might not take much of one to scare the heck outta nearby fight.
Even a capgun level thing underwater would probably get fishies scraming.
True, although even the stupid gamers tend to know enough to not go jaunting off to leave threatening notes at the homes of those they don't like.
They have email for that!
I have to agree, the whole concept can do great things and I look forward to the tech and methods being refined further.
Imagine landfills disappearing more and more while our fuel issues are eased and removed.
Now if we just get the little fusion thing from Back to the Future. Some banana peels and other trash and flying car!
Very well, I'll break down my statements more since you would rather attack the style and me rather then simply the statement.
Firstly filibuste's post appears defensive and antagonistic to a degree effectively making the 'point' in a manner that makes it sound very much as an excuse and not an explanation.
Statements like "as a parent you tend to focus on those 2 kids, leaving the 2 others a bit more alone. Sure as hell you cannot be on their back 24h a day." seem more angered and insulting then openly willing to discuss the situation. It even gives the idea that the other two are being left alone more and as we are left to infer the extent of this then we cannot make an accurate judgment but as with most things involving children we tend to take the more detrimental view. The final statement in that about "Sure as hell cannot be on their back." seems to imply that talking to them or spending time with them is seen as "being on their back" as most times people resort to such hyperbole statements when they do not want to give any sort of rough estimate of time, or have no concept of it. The whole statement seems more indicative of the poster not wanting to spend the time talking as they feel the former obligations take precedence over the latter.
You seem to assume that I am advocating that the parent must spend all of their time however filibuste's comments seem to have a manner that point toward a focus on 2 and a lack of desire or dislike of the idea of having to spend additional time if any with the other two. While filibuste is likely just making do as best as possible the method and manner of the statements do not contribute to that view and instead portray a person that favors two for time, and not the others and expresses it in an 'excuse' form.
You then go on to attack the community and politics and other posters as well. You say that my post is not insightful and that the mods got it wrong, and then you go on to attack me?
Would that not make your post also not insightful and flamebait?
My post I worded rather carefully as to not outright say filibuste was neglecting or harming or not spending time with the children.
You'll note my comment has statements that say things that it sounds "like" he is making an excuse or that. I did make a disclaimer for the harsher argument on it which most were likely expecting and I made the small disclaimer to let those who thought not to see such a harsher view could not read it.
I have quite a bit of compassion overall however I make arguments and comments to try to point out aspects I see that do not seem to fit with a person's statements.
I also question your judgment in this situation as you have another moderately flaming post as well directed at Eskarel. You make such claims as attacking the posts or commenters being horrible and deplorable yet you yourself seem on a crusade to attack and insult other commenters, moderators, and the community as a whole.
I'm not sure how damaging to the enviroment a natural gas leak would be. Isn't that just methane leaking out? It would form bubbles and then travel to surface and disperse one would think.
Actually not going to be that effective since they are using a smaller explosion to freak out the fish too. It is not too likely of having alot of fish available in that area while they are doing this because the fish are gonna be scared to hell of the whole area.
Good rule, all it takes is a moment of going "Theres no way it could explode!" and then boom.
It is asking for trouble to consider any weapon of any sort that is not in a 'completely destroyed or disabled' state as not a threat.
Once you lose your cautiousness you get someone killed or seriously hurt.
I actually see the point of that, as the oxidization (exploding does that quickly!) changes the stuff chemically.
Not to mention by exploding it underwater might cause some chemical reactions in the process that might actually neutralize the stuff even more effectively compared to an open air explosion.
I think we need to see the actual 'note' for evidence. After all the drama surrounding the issue we have a very very high chance of this all being a stunt.
Gamers as a whole are unlikely to approach someone's home and leave a PHYSICAL note. Most gamers have enough concept and paranoia of the real world law (just see what happens if one of their buddies mentions they got a 'cease and desist' type notice for pirating a game or movie) that they generally do not like doing things that might bring the real world authorities into play.
Not to mention also a threatening note is easily a candidate for investigation/arrest material even simple fingerprinting is possible to apprehend a suspect for threats.
If it was a gamer doing this we would be more likely to see something about a threatening email or website, NOT a physical letter under his door. /. are gamers, would you write a threatening letter to someone in a position of power and leave it at their door?
Considering a large majority of
The other fishy thing here is no vandalism, if someone was UPSET or bothered enough to actually travel to his home and leave a threatening letter then I don't see why vandalism was not an issue here. Someone young enough to do something as silly/stupid as leaving the note would certainly not be smart enough to avoid the temptation of vandalism at the same time.
Didn't penny arcane do a comic on this?
BAD BOYS BIG BIRDS!
You know...subway...eat fresh?
Exactly. The "for the children" arguement is overused as a whole. It will only stop people who don't truly WANT to get around it.
Especially with technology progressing as it does people WILL find ways around the filter as they develop more skills. Look at what happened in Iran with the elections. They tried to shut everyone out and BAM new technology and skills went right around it. The resources, time, etc are all wasted on things like this when they could be used to better educate people on what is out there, and encourage children AND adults to know what to avoid and the consequences of actions, instead of simply putting a wall up and hoping noone finds a way to climb over.
Just need to make them have a seat over there....
Thats what always confuses the heck out of me. It was "be careful, don't talk to strangers. Don't take anything from strangers, look both ways before crossing the street, be home by dinner, and clean your room." were the rules of the land. During the school year it might include "Do your homework." And at times for some "Stop teasing your brother/sister!" normally yelled. Now its not so much a "go out and learn the world, but be careful!" sort of thing but "Don't do anything we don't specifically say you can do!" which is likely hurting children FAR more then helping them.
See, but now you're saying that because of the 2 you don't have ANY time. Is that true? The OP did NOT say anything about how much time would need devoted, simply mentioned that some time. Yes you have two children with additional needs but it sounds almost like you are trying to make an excuse for why the other two might not have proper parenting. Would such work if say one of those children injured themselves in the home and if questioned you said "I'm sorry but I was taking care of the other two children, I did not have time to make sure that one was safe." Parenting is one thing, being on the child's back constantly is a wholly different thing. For the more harsh argument, if you have issues managing the two children with disabilities then why do you have 4 children? (i'm not sure on the order of birth/twins/triplets/quadruplets in the situation)
HAH! I love how China acts like they are innocent and all. "China's laws forbid hacking attacks and violations of citizens' privacy, the statement said, apparently referring to the issues raised by Google."" Riiiight. I'm also the Queen of England! China would NEVER hack anyone. The Chinese government is one of the biggest fattest LIARS ever. They constantly say one thing while time and time again they prove that they don't care about anyone's benefit but their own. Whether it is manipulating trade markets and currancy, hacking, controlling the people of the country, human rights issues, etc. Yet whenever confronted they are all "You can't tell us what to do" or "we don't do that!" or "We will change things." but what changes? Exactly nothing. They might sweep it under the rug or shift things around but nearly every time the SAME issue comes right back up. The world needs to basically tell China to stuff it and come back when they learn their lesson. Stop manufacturing stuff in China, stop buying Chinese goods, the whole nine yards. Put the squeeze on them till they show their hand.
Although it would be pretty epic to say "Ya I didn't get any loot, but do I get a world or realm first for "First Ony Kill From Space"?"
Or playing WoW. "Sorry guys I can't raid tonight, gotta go do a spacewalk to fix a solar panel."