In other words, we are not in direct control of credit report, so we shouldn't be judged by it. Your credit could also be ruined because you refuse to pay for something you didn't order (I've been charged by companies who I bought nothing from.)
And don't worry about that bitch dude.. What goes around comes around.;)
This argument is old and extremely flawed, yet it gets modded up every time by other uninformed Windows gamers.
"It just doesn't make since to use a screwdriver to pound in a nail."
You're right, it doesn't make sense to use a tool which is not suited for the task at hand. However, you are wrong to say that Linux isn't an OS which is capable of playing games, the right tool for the job. Perhaps you can list some technical details, which cannot be overcome, as to why Linux will never be the tool to play a game? Linux is network-ready, it can use joysticks, keyboards, mice, sound cards, etc etc etc.. Linux is just as capable of serving web pages as it is dishing up OpenGL accelerated games to people.
You see Windows as it is today, the Status Quo, and you think "Almost all games run on Windows, therefore Windows is the right OS for games." It is true that you can play more games under Windows (although the limitation of the current Linux game market, not the Linux kernel or X) it doesn't mean that Linux, or any other OS for that matter, is not the "right" OS for gaming.
The only thing preventing Linux gaming from taking off is the fact that there aren't enough Linux gamers to justify porting. That will change in time.
In order for a company to port their games, there has to be an audience. In order for there to be an audience, people have to game under Linux. By not gaming under Linux now, you are casting your vote to never have games under Linux.
Developers aren't just going to up and port their titles because they like Tux or something (well, besides Id).. They will port when they feel that enough people will buy their game for Linux if they go through the trouble to port it.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Granted, you may not care if you're part of the problem, and that of course is too bad for Linux gamers.
And you're wrong about it getting better.. It IS getting better. Games like Doom 3 and Ut2k3 are running under Linux - those engines are used for future games. (Quake 3 engine was used for many games, as will the Doom 3 engine.) Once developers see a reasonable profit to be made by porting their already portable game to Linux (due to the cross platform nature of Doom 3 or Ut2k3), it will be an easy decision for them to make.
Serious Linux gaming won't happen quickly (and people like you and other Linux advocates who hate Microsoft but love gaming under Windows even more will see to this), but it is happening.
"RedHat posts KDE 3.1 beta snapshot RPMs, for a beta release of their distro, provides no guarantees that these RPMs will even install (let alone WORK) on the latest RELEASED version of their distro, and that's support?"
KDE 3.1 hasn't even been out for a week, and you expect them to have RPMS ready AND support them? Redhat will include 8.1, and SUPPORT it when 8.1 is released. I don't see how this is unaceptable to you. I wouldn't support something I hadn't formally tested if I were in their shoes either.
"Fucking RedHat apologists."
It's clear that they will never be able to please you, no matter what they do.
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What you speak of is a small deal. Very small when you consider how nice of a desktop Redhat 8 is with it's nice Anti-aliased fonts, OpenOffice, and sane uncluttered menus.
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My screensavers work fine. Perhaps they just aren't installed by default? Perhaps that's a bug that you should report to Redhat? I don't consider KDE crippled because the screensavers weren't installed by default.
Shutting down from the K menu is something you consider as a major feature? Again, this isn't exactly something I would consider a major showstopper. Are you nitpicking?
You're railing on them for not having a shutdown button in the start menu and not having the screensavers installed by default. I guess asking you to cut them just a little bit of slack is asking too much, eh? Even if they are the only big Linux player left that encourages you to download their ISOs without asking for some form of compensation.
Hey, anyone wanting to run Windowmaker (or Afterstep, or Enlightenment) should be tough enough to download and compile from source.:)
As for the fonts, well, that does suck.
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"Unfortunately it looks like we will still have the "crippled" KDE 3.0.5 in Red Hat 8.1."
Hey, guess what: Gnome and KDE are themeable! Yes, that's right, you can actually change the default look. Amazing, yes! Even more amazing, if you feel that Kmail is superior to Evolution, you can even change your menus to open Kmail!
Actually, it's not amazing. You have always been able to do these things for Gnome and KDE under Redhat 8. What IS amazing, however, is the number of people who complain about the default theme for Redhat 8, something which 99% of all complainers will change on their distro of choice anyway.
Personally, I use Keramik on my Redhat 8 desktop at home for GTK 1,2, and QT (Well, Geramik for GTK). It's basically the same "evil" idea: Mozilla, Gimp, and Konqueror all look very much the same. Mozilla's classic theme now picks up native GTK themes, which is why my Mozilla has that Keramik look.
Crippled? Well, if you couldn't change the theme anymore, or modify your menus, or if they didn't ship Kmail, you may have a point there.
Listen. It's not Stallman's fault that thousands of people invested billions of dollars into thousands of companies who had no plan as to how they were going to make money by selling products below cost over the Internet.
Out of curiosity, what's so bad about not making billions of dollars off of people? Non profit organizations do this all the time.
So people won't become rich from buying Redhat's stock, that doesn't mean the company can't create good GPL software, create some new jobs, and make a few extra dollars at the end..
There are many APIs available to developers, and that's not the problem Bioware is running into.
It appears that the problem is they chose to use a sound engine that was not cross platform (even though from day 1 they had claimed to be working on a simultaneous Win32/BeOS/Linux release.) From what I understand, they never really started working on the Linux client until AFTER the Win32 version was released!
I'm sure their programmers are new to Linux and are still learning the in's and out's of the OS. I would imagine if they had hired someone like Ryan Gordon, who had Unreal Tournament 2003 ported in time for the official release date (which is a DirectX game) to Linux, it would have been done already.
Perhaps this means that Bioware wants their guys to learn how to do a Linux port so that the next title won't be such a bear for them to handle? I hope so.
I think the original poster is just too paranoid and a bit selfish.
If he doesn't want KDE or GNOME libs in his program, then he can strip the code out himself. "Real" users know how to do that kinda stuff, right? (I'm not a real user, and I don't complain about the extra GNOME compat stuff in a program.)
The extra code in there doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the fact that there are 2 Desktop environments targeted at regular users. It'd be nice if Evolution and Konqueror (as an example) both used a common toolkit instead of using 2 different toolkits. It eats up memory and the look/feel is inconsistent. Personally, I wish Gnome would become a power-user desktop and let KDE cater to the more simple users.
!!! NEWS FLASH !!! Gnome has never been targeted at advanced users!
It has ALWAYS seeked to be a completely free KDE replacement, and KDE is targeted at regular users. Read the KDE faq. I suppose someone could argue that Gnome doesn't claim this, but you have to consider why Gnome even came into being..
Advanced users will still have 1000 different Window managers to use, even if Gnome and KDE are targeting regular users, so why do you care?
People need to get a life and stop whining because project X isn't designing their software with them in mind.
It appears we both appreciate the same things, but you were backing up the post of someone who promoted elitism of an OS to prevent 'what happened to Linux', which is what I disagree with.
Sure, there are going to be people and companies using free software who don't deserve it, but this isn't a reason to claim that the system is flawed.
Perhaps if the article wasn't complete bullshit the 'unquestioning patriots' would take it seriously?
I criticize the government all the time, but this article does not provide me with any insight into how freedom of press is restricted in this country. Perhaps some links to actual cases? I see links to lawsuits and DMCA issues all the time, and that I do take seriously. However, how is preventing someone access to an unauthorized area the same as arresting someone for saying something politcally incorrect? France rated higher than the US, yet the US allows people to badmouth whoever/whatever they like.
I'm sorry, but I rate the right to say whatever you like WAY above granting people access to restricted areas. We are discussing freedom of speech, after all.
Why don't you give examples of what I cannot publish in this country as press? I can can Islam sucks, Christianity sucks, and George Bush sucks without getting arrested.
"Oh, but reporters aren't given access to top secret US information? Oh, well we'll just have to give them a -10 for that one."
Well, apparently in Europe it's ok to arrest people for saying the wrong (isn't this waht free speech is about?) thing, but it's not OK to arrest someone for breaking the rules.
You stated that disagreeing with Bush means that you're a terrorist, but if you read the article you linked to you would realize that Bush was talking to other NATIONS. He was pressuring them into getting involved in the anti-terrorist BS that went down after Sept. 11.
Anyway, you're making it out to be something which it is not, and you get modded up for it. I guess the anti-US threads are really popular among the non-US posters here.
I can't read that, and neither can 99% of the rest of the people here. The article was written in English, the parent posted in English.
Why's this guy modded as "Interesting", but the one slapping him for being rude modded flamebait? Or did I miss something?
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Haven't you heard? GNOME and KDE are DE's to cater to normal users.
A quote from the KDE website: KDE seeks to fill the need for an easy to use desktop for Unix workstations, similar to the desktop environments found under the MacOS or Microsoft Windows
Now, consider that GNOME was founded to be a KDE replacement based on a free toolkit, and you will understand that GNOME and KDE are not aimed at us. They are aimed at regular users.
Of course, we're still free to use GNOME and KDE, or an xterm and any one of the 100 freely available window managers available for X.
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At home I run Gentoo 1.4rc1 and my wife has Redhat 8. I can log into my machine, or hers, and my interface looks the SAME. If I couldn't use my KDE settings on both machines, i'd be bitching, but that is not the case.
Redhat 8 ships a modded KDE, but it's still KDE and it works with all my KDE settings.
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You make an excellent point.
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In other words, we are not in direct control of credit report, so we shouldn't be judged by it. Your credit could also be ruined because you refuse to pay for something you didn't order (I've been charged by companies who I bought nothing from.)
And don't worry about that bitch dude.. What goes around comes around.
This argument is old and extremely flawed, yet it gets modded up every time by other uninformed Windows gamers.
"It just doesn't make since to use a screwdriver to pound in a nail."
You're right, it doesn't make sense to use a tool which is not suited for the task at hand. However, you are wrong to say that Linux isn't an OS which is capable of playing games, the right tool for the job. Perhaps you can list some technical details, which cannot be overcome, as to why Linux will never be the tool to play a game? Linux is network-ready, it can use joysticks, keyboards, mice, sound cards, etc etc etc.. Linux is just as capable of serving web pages as it is dishing up OpenGL accelerated games to people.
You see Windows as it is today, the Status Quo, and you think "Almost all games run on Windows, therefore Windows is the right OS for games." It is true that you can play more games under Windows (although the limitation of the current Linux game market, not the Linux kernel or X) it doesn't mean that Linux, or any other OS for that matter, is not the "right" OS for gaming.
The only thing preventing Linux gaming from taking off is the fact that there aren't enough Linux gamers to justify porting. That will change in time.
In order for a company to port their games, there has to be an audience.
In order for there to be an audience, people have to game under Linux.
By not gaming under Linux now, you are casting your vote to never have games under Linux.
Developers aren't just going to up and port their titles because they like Tux or something (well, besides Id).. They will port when they feel that enough people will buy their game for Linux if they go through the trouble to port it.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Granted, you may not care if you're part of the problem, and that of course is too bad for Linux gamers.
And you're wrong about it getting better.. It IS getting better. Games like Doom 3 and Ut2k3 are running under Linux - those engines are used for future games. (Quake 3 engine was used for many games, as will the Doom 3 engine.) Once developers see a reasonable profit to be made by porting their already portable game to Linux (due to the cross platform nature of Doom 3 or Ut2k3), it will be an easy decision for them to make.
Serious Linux gaming won't happen quickly (and people like you and other Linux advocates who hate Microsoft but love gaming under Windows even more will see to this), but it is happening.
"RedHat posts KDE 3.1 beta snapshot RPMs, for a beta release of their distro, provides no guarantees that these RPMs will even install (let alone WORK) on the latest RELEASED version of their distro, and that's support?"
KDE 3.1 hasn't even been out for a week, and you expect them to have RPMS ready AND support them? Redhat will include 8.1, and SUPPORT it when 8.1 is released. I don't see how this is unaceptable to you. I wouldn't support something I hadn't formally tested if I were in their shoes either.
"Fucking RedHat apologists."
It's clear that they will never be able to please you, no matter what they do.
What you speak of is a small deal. Very small when you consider how nice of a desktop Redhat 8 is with it's nice Anti-aliased fonts, OpenOffice, and sane uncluttered menus.
My screensavers work fine. Perhaps they just aren't installed by default? Perhaps that's a bug that you should report to Redhat? I don't consider KDE crippled because the screensavers weren't installed by default.
Shutting down from the K menu is something you consider as a major feature? Again, this isn't exactly something I would consider a major showstopper. Are you nitpicking?
You're railing on them for not having a shutdown button in the start menu and not having the screensavers installed by default. I guess asking you to cut them just a little bit of slack is asking too much, eh? Even if they are the only big Linux player left that encourages you to download their ISOs without asking for some form of compensation.
Hey, anyone wanting to run Windowmaker (or Afterstep, or Enlightenment) should be tough enough to download and compile from source. :)
As for the fonts, well, that does suck.
"Unfortunately it looks like we will still have the "crippled" KDE 3.0.5 in Red Hat 8.1."
Hey, guess what: Gnome and KDE are themeable! Yes, that's right, you can actually change the default look. Amazing, yes! Even more amazing, if you feel that Kmail is superior to Evolution, you can even change your menus to open Kmail!
Actually, it's not amazing. You have always been able to do these things for Gnome and KDE under Redhat 8. What IS amazing, however, is the number of people who complain about the default theme for Redhat 8, something which 99% of all complainers will change on their distro of choice anyway.
Personally, I use Keramik on my Redhat 8 desktop at home for GTK 1,2, and QT (Well, Geramik for GTK). It's basically the same "evil" idea: Mozilla, Gimp, and Konqueror all look very much the same. Mozilla's classic theme now picks up native GTK themes, which is why my Mozilla has that Keramik look.
Crippled? Well, if you couldn't change the theme anymore, or modify your menus, or if they didn't ship Kmail, you may have a point there.
Wow, talk about conspiracy theorists!
Listen. It's not Stallman's fault that thousands of people invested billions of dollars into thousands of companies who had no plan as to how they were going to make money by selling products below cost over the Internet.
You are confused.
Out of curiosity, what's so bad about not making billions of dollars off of people? Non profit organizations do this all the time.
So people won't become rich from buying Redhat's stock, that doesn't mean the company can't create good GPL software, create some new jobs, and make a few extra dollars at the end..
No, it's not like the DOS days.
There are many APIs available to developers, and that's not the problem Bioware is running into.
It appears that the problem is they chose to use a sound engine that was not cross platform (even though from day 1 they had claimed to be working on a simultaneous Win32/BeOS/Linux release.) From what I understand, they never really started working on the Linux client until AFTER the Win32 version was released!
I'm sure their programmers are new to Linux and are still learning the in's and out's of the OS. I would imagine if they had hired someone like Ryan Gordon, who had Unreal Tournament 2003 ported in time for the official release date (which is a DirectX game) to Linux, it would have been done already.
Perhaps this means that Bioware wants their guys to learn how to do a Linux port so that the next title won't be such a bear for them to handle? I hope so.
I look forward to playing this new game when it's finished. Thanks for catering to us Linux gamers! :)
I think the original poster is just too paranoid and a bit selfish.
If he doesn't want KDE or GNOME libs in his program, then he can strip the code out himself. "Real" users know how to do that kinda stuff, right? (I'm not a real user, and I don't complain about the extra GNOME compat stuff in a program.)
The extra code in there doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the fact that there are 2 Desktop environments targeted at regular users. It'd be nice if Evolution and Konqueror (as an example) both used a common toolkit instead of using 2 different toolkits. It eats up memory and the look/feel is inconsistent. Personally, I wish Gnome would become a power-user desktop and let KDE cater to the more simple users.
!!! NEWS FLASH !!!
Gnome has never been targeted at advanced users!
It has ALWAYS seeked to be a completely free KDE replacement, and KDE is targeted at regular users. Read the KDE faq. I suppose someone could argue that Gnome doesn't claim this, but you have to consider why Gnome even came into being..
Advanced users will still have 1000 different Window managers to use, even if Gnome and KDE are targeting regular users, so why do you care?
People need to get a life and stop whining because project X isn't designing their software with them in mind.
Have you heard the Fenster's version of the Free Software Song
:)
I don't know if it's because RMS's version is so unpolished, but this song isn't bad.
It appears we both appreciate the same things, but you were backing up the post of someone who promoted elitism of an OS to prevent 'what happened to Linux', which is what I disagree with.
Sure, there are going to be people and companies using free software who don't deserve it, but this isn't a reason to claim that the system is flawed.
Afterall look what happened to Linux.
Yep. It's becoming successful and usable. We can't have that happen to OpenBSD now, can we?
Why use the BSD license over the GPL? Neither one of them are as 'unencumbered' as no license at all..
Perhaps if the article wasn't complete bullshit the 'unquestioning patriots' would take it seriously?
I criticize the government all the time, but this article does not provide me with any insight into how freedom of press is restricted in this country. Perhaps some links to actual cases? I see links to lawsuits and DMCA issues all the time, and that I do take seriously. However, how is preventing someone access to an unauthorized area the same as arresting someone for saying something politcally incorrect? France rated higher than the US, yet the US allows people to badmouth whoever/whatever they like.
I'm sorry, but I rate the right to say whatever you like WAY above granting people access to restricted areas. We are discussing freedom of speech, after all.
Why don't you give examples of what I cannot publish in this country as press? I can can Islam sucks, Christianity sucks, and George Bush sucks without getting arrested.
"Oh, but reporters aren't given access to top secret US information? Oh, well we'll just have to give them a -10 for that one."
Well, apparently in Europe it's ok to arrest people for saying the wrong (isn't this waht free speech is about?) thing, but it's not OK to arrest someone for breaking the rules.
Why change the subject?
You stated that disagreeing with Bush means that you're a terrorist, but if you read the article you linked to you would realize that Bush was talking to other NATIONS. He was pressuring them into getting involved in the anti-terrorist BS that went down after Sept. 11.
Anyway, you're making it out to be something which it is not, and you get modded up for it. I guess the anti-US threads are really popular among the non-US posters here.
I can't read that, and neither can 99% of the rest of the people here. The article was written in English, the parent posted in English.
Why's this guy modded as "Interesting", but the one slapping him for being rude modded flamebait? Or did I miss something?
Haven't you heard? GNOME and KDE are DE's to cater to normal users.
A quote from the KDE website:
KDE seeks to fill the need for an easy to use desktop for Unix workstations,
similar to the desktop environments found under the MacOS or Microsoft Windows
Now, consider that GNOME was founded to be a KDE replacement based on a free toolkit, and you will understand that GNOME and KDE are not aimed at us. They are aimed at regular users.
Of course, we're still free to use GNOME and KDE, or an xterm and any one of the 100 freely available window managers available for X.
At home I run Gentoo 1.4rc1 and my wife has Redhat 8. I can log into my machine, or hers, and my interface looks the SAME. If I couldn't use my KDE settings on both machines, i'd be bitching, but that is not the case.
Redhat 8 ships a modded KDE, but it's still KDE and it works with all my KDE settings.