Q: To connect to www.redhat.com, you need a DNS, true or false?
A: True.
Ok, ok, I can sorta see what thier getting at, but my answer was "false," cause the first thing that poped into my mind was.... "Well, you don't -need- it if you know the IP and stick it in/etc/hosts."
I didn't take the course, or the test, just scanned a book in B&N this weekend. But it did make it clear to me, you might have some problems passing if you know Linux well, but don't know what they want you to answer.
Look, your typing, as people often do, and then you reach over to slide your mouse down and get to another spot, and continue typing....
But a pen, you have to pick it up, and set it down each time. It's not at constant "stand-by" waiting to be moved into another position like a mouse is. A mouse sits where it sits. You give it a nudge to the right or left, and that's it... You don't have to pick it up, then slide it, then set it back down.
Extra movements needed by this pen thing are NOT an improvement. The only thing it might have going for it is precision for like graphic artists or something... Dunno. I just can't see rushing out to get something that would be a total pain in the ___ to have to use on a daily basis.
physician? Is that better? The point I am making is that "doctor" is very inclusive, and not limited to the medical field. The word "physician" may be a better choice than "doctor" or "MD."
I'm just pointing out that SlashDot's reader base is likely to contain many people who possess a "doctorate" but have no medical training.
Maybe I'm wrong, and/. is really just a bunch of teen age script kiddy trolls like I've been told, but I have seen comments from some pretty bright people here on occasion, some of which actually are "doctors" in the correct use of the term, but probably know little about medicine.
"How many medical schools have you attended that you can make such an authoritative sounding statement?" Attended? None. By choice. Visited? Many. I go through the local one at least weekly. It's happening there, and also at 1 others I have visited recently. And, I know of 2 that do it in the third year.
"Maybe you don't like it, but I honestly feel that most patients don't want to be examined, to be poked and prodded, to reveal all sorts of personal secrets to by somebody they refer to as "Bob" or "Jacky." Maybe I'm wrong, but such has been my experience." I truely believe you _are_ wrong. And I also believe the AMA did a study on that very point in the last 10 years. The conclusions AFAIK were that patients 1) would rather know the specifics of the credntials, like where exactly they went to medical school, and how well they did (what do you call the guy who graduates at the bottom of his class in Medical School? "Dr.":-( I'd rather know how he did and know where he went!). And, I believe the AMA study also found 2) Patients who are on a first name basis with thier care giver (used generically intentionally) are more likely to be open with thier problems, and recieve better treatement (which actually can give PA's an advantage over MD's and DO's in some cases).
When the arrogent Ph.D. English Professor from Harvard steps up to answer your dying call, I hope you have enough sence to ask him for his cell phone.
Meanwhile, hopefully he (the english professor) will attempt to preserve our language. Or, does everyone want to backpedal now and let the press refer to "crackers" as "hackers."
My point was, it's a SlashDot double standard to constantly correct one misused term, and feel fine to use another.
Now, call me Dr. and I'll laugh;-) `cause I'm "Rob" not "Dr. Current" and think that it's only a sign of insecurity to require use of your title in anywhere other than a strict professional setting.
In medical school, during the second year, students are told they must start refering to one another as "doctor." Meanwhile, 4th and 5th year graduate students in Physics call themselfs, each other and thier professors by thier first name. Medical school is the "boot camp" of education, where they "build you up" much like a Marine or something.... As for the "It's a trade. It's a more respectable and remunerative trade than carpentry, but certainly less interesting and arguably of less use." thing, your right. But, you call carpenters carpenters, and not "journeyman" or "apprentice", you don't assume all "journeyman" are carpenters and not electricians. That's the point I was makeing.
After Previewing TWICE, it took all my tags out! Here is a "retaged" verson, if it works: Common public misconception about terms has caused all kinds of problems in society, minor and major. Slashdot has went on numerous crusades in the past about the misuse of "hacker" when it was meant to be "cracker," but now has no problem with the use of the term "doctor." Yes, this is picking a nit. Doctor is a person who receives a Doctoral Degree, not the person who helps you when your sick. Although Hollywood and the media would like to perpetuate the misuse of this term, what your really looking for is "MD" which is the specific subset of doctors who studied medicine. Not a _huge_ deal, but it just makes you it sound like you don't know that there are other "doctors" out there. I suspect there are probably a large number of doctors in the slashdot reader base who have studied computers, math, physics, chemistry, engineering, and many other fields. In a small way, by making the comment "Introducing Open Source to the Doctors" your insulting them, when it should read "Introducing Open Source to the MDs"
Common public misconception about terms has caused all kinds of problems in society, minor and major. Slashdot has went on numerous crusades in the past about the misuse of "hacker" when it was meant to be "cracker," but now has no problem with the use of the term "doctor." Yes, this is picking a nit. Doctor is a person who receives a Doctoral Degree, not the person who helps you when your sick. Although Hollywood and the media would like to perpetuate the misuse of this term, what your really looking for is "MD" which is the specific subset of doctors who studied medicine. Not a _huge_ deal, but it just makes you it sound like you don't know that there are other "doctors" out there. I suspect there are probably a large number of doctors in the slashdot reader base who have studied computers, math, physics, chemistry, engineering, and many other fields. In a small way, by making the comment "Introducing Open Source to the Doctors" your insulting them, when it should read "Introducing Open Source to the MDs"
Looking at the "update package manager," the "Pentium class x86" requirement, and the KDE desktop, it looks like this is based on Mandrake.
Before you start the flame fest, Mandrake is _based_ on Red Hat, not just recompiled and repackaged. Mandrake has several differances (more-so with version 6.1 now). And, Corel looks like it's based on Mandrake at first glance, which would make it _twice removed_ from Red Hat, which, is kind of a nice thing to think about.
Red Hat has GPL'ed all it's stuff for so long, now we are seeing the real benifits of that. Someone was able to make something that better fit a specific nitch based on thier product. And, now maybe we have another company which comes along and takes that a step farther.
I wanna know how much time the teacher got for "conspiracy of suspicion of making terroristic threats." If suspicion is enough to get you jail time, surely assigning the project was playing an active roll as well.
And, BTW, WTF is this country comming to? What's next, "suspicion of conspiracy to insight potetntial threats, imprisionable for 20 years?" Yea, right, there's no such thing as Big Brother or the Thought Police.... Uh-huh...
Uh... People are talking about this like it's a DE for X or something. AFAIK, this isn't a DE, and it's not a UI for X at all.
From the looks of it, it's a thing where you set up "your desktop" on thier web server, and thus can access "your desktop" through a browser from anywhere....
Maybe I'm wrong here, but this isn't the next KDE/Gnome... It's a weird spin on client/server "work environments." And, I'll add to that, I'd much rather have a nice big server on a local LAN and do "X -query server";-) for a more traditional way of keeping all my work in one place and accessing it from anywhere (locally, bandwidth allowing;-)
Before I read this (yesterday morning) I had my mind set on reformatting the drive on my NAT at home to get rid of Red Hat 4.2, and finally install something a little newer. I was convinced I was going to go with OpenBSD.
Then, like the dork I can be at times, I was talking to someone on IRC about the idea, and I got talked into _not_ using OpenBSD. So I went with FreeBSD.:-/
Had I read this little blurb yesterday morning, I would have surely had installed OpenBSD insted. I really didn't have any motivation to install one OS over the other, just wanted a *BSD, and to do it quickly. If I'd have know there was a nice page all set up with instructions on exactly what I was going to do using OpenBSD, I am sure that would have been enough to sway my decision.
How can they honestly say _anything_ about Sun and Open Source? The only possable frame work they have to deal with is the issues about JAVA.
As far as Star Office goes, it's way to early to tell. Sun is in about the same position right now as Netscape was at the beginning of the "browser wars." They have a product (office suite) that is in high demand, and they are "giving it away." Sounds a lot like Netscape.
But, consider this: Netscape said they were going to go "open source" and yet Mozilla is totally original based, and not based on fixing/bugtracking the v.1.0-v.4.7 code tree. Yet, Netscape seems to have been highly praised by the open source community. Add to that, there is almost NO ONE who doesn't know what "Netscape" is, and v.5.0 to rise up from the Mozilla code is one of the most highly anticipated projects in existance.
So, Sun comes along, and opens up the code to Star Office from the get go. The minute they get it, they let the code out. Sure, the licence is not all that it could be. But, Netscape didn't even do this much when they went the "open source" route.
My point is, it's too early to judge where Sun is going to go with Star Office. Star Office is a high profile product for Sun, in that it is fully functional, runs on NT, Windows 95, Windows 98, Linux, FreeBSD (with a little work), Solaris, and Solaris x86. Even with a "poor" licence from the "open source" standpoint, they have a broad platform base for a solid product. If they port the Office Suite to Macintosh, IRIX, and Tru64-UNIX, there won't be much that Star Office won't run on.
Then, with an unbelievably broad platform base for a high demand product (an office suite) there isn't much excuse for anyone to not use Star Office which is free rather than pay $300 for Microsoft Office.
First impression, Why support hardware/os's that are not Sun/Solaris? Because once you have a accepted Office Suite that everyone is using, there will be almost no resistance to companies going the way of Heavy Duty Server/Thin Client products. Put Star Office on the server, everyone runs it from an Xterminal. What resistance is there left to not use UNIX, with Sun being UNIX's steller star that made it all possable.
No excuse that "people are use to Windows or Macintosh, and MicroSoft Office. Retraining will cost too much to convert to Unix and client/server technology." They will already have the widespread use of the same office suite that will run on the new technology.
THAT is what it's all about people! It's not about Sun getting into the software market with this new Office Suite. It's about Sun using this new office suite as a spring board to launch the Server/Client technology they are dying to sell. AND, that's why it's Way to early to tell what to think about Sun's stance on Open Source. If Sun sees that completely GPL'ing Star Office would give it the broad based usage they want, they will probably do it. But it's still too early for THEM to make that decision, because they are trying to figure out the best way to get Star Office to replace MicroSoft Office in the general user base.
I have heard rumor that the devistation of the earthquake has been "repaired" (not saying it wasn't devistating as far as personal life/property), and that RAM manufactures were up to full speed already.
The rumor further says that it's the markets willingness to pay over $2/M still that has kept the prices up for the last couple weeks, when not that long ago prices were well under $1/M.
Pricewatch.com has the IBM ultrastar 36xp 36gb u2wscsi fcal 7200rpm hd * order online and use promo code: 704P, qty 1/order * ibm hard drives, part 08l8411 $ 1056
I had the same problem, but I just did a Cont-Alt-F2 to get back to a console shell and found xmodmap.us and did a: xmodmap/usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.us
Don't know if it helps, you probably got it fixed by now.
When you don't know where any of the keys are, cut and paste is your friend;-)
With 256M of memory, this Ultra5 is actually *slower* than my IBM ThinkPad 860 running AIX with a 603/166MHz and 64M in it.
Anyone have info on IBM ThinkPad's running AIX?!? (I'm digging around on IBM's site right now, but havn't found them yet, seems to be SllooooW tonight).
And, since were talking about this thing outpreforming a $2000 Sun Ultra 5, I would assume your complaint would only be valid if the ThinkPad running AIX was cheaper. (Which I suspect it isn't, but how much are they? If anyone can provide URL's, that'd be great... I'll keep digging on IBM's site, but I am having some major bandwidth problems... Pings are even ~2000+ms)
Didn't I recently read somewhere that the Linux user base had passed MacOS user base? I don't question that Win95 is probably the most commonly used OS still, but I guess somehow I got the impression that Linux was more common than MacOS now.
$1500 now shipping, $2500 model shiping 30 days from order, $3500 model 60 days from now, "the ultimate" on only has an ETA of when it might start shipping.
Seeing rapid price fluctuations in most computer componants, it's a little scary to order something that isn't even going to ship for that long.
In advance, I don't intend this as a personal attack, it's just that I am getting tired of replying to the same comment.
I did not say that the G4 can't do SCSI
I said, SCSI was standard on all Apple systems not long ago, and it's sad to see that this is no longer true. In addition, trying to order SCSI as an option from the Apple on line store seems a bit difficult, more difficult that it should be for the average consumer trying to equip thier $1,500 base priced G4 system.
If you go with a SCSI option, you will see a great benifit. By not useing SCSI, your bogging down your G4 un-nessessarly. It's a sad thing to see Apple move away from using SCSI as standard.
Again... I didn't say the G4 couldn't do SCSI. But if you look at the specs page, it says SCSI support for up to 3 devices, but when you go over to the order pages, you see this is an "option" and not standard.
It's an economic move on Apples part to sell more systems, I know. But it's sad. As someone else mentioned, SUN has made this step too, and that too is sad. If SGI does it too, that would be sad.
But, taking a step backwards, useing cheaper componants for the standard systems is the point I am trying to make. I am not trying to tell you that Apple's G4 system won't do SCSI. And... This seems to be the thrid time I am saying that.
Oh, I wish I could go back and add a little note at the bottom of my first post just to say "Yes, I know the G4 systems _can_ use SCSI"
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A: True.
Ok, ok, I can sorta see what thier getting at, but my answer was "false," cause the first thing that poped into my mind was.... "Well, you don't -need- it if you know the IP and stick it in /etc/hosts."
I didn't take the course, or the test, just scanned a book in B&N this weekend. But it did make it clear to me, you might have some problems passing if you know Linux well, but don't know what they want you to answer.
I think HTML to WML is more a translation rather than a redistribution. A fine line, but I haven't heard of anyone sueing bablefish lately, have you?
IHMO, what's most shocking to me is the high demand for Browser Plugins, and the obscurity and difficulty of getting them working with Linux Browsers.
But a pen, you have to pick it up, and set it down each time. It's not at constant "stand-by" waiting to be moved into another position like a mouse is. A mouse sits where it sits. You give it a nudge to the right or left, and that's it... You don't have to pick it up, then slide it, then set it back down.
Extra movements needed by this pen thing are NOT an improvement. The only thing it might have going for it is precision for like graphic artists or something... Dunno. I just can't see rushing out to get something that would be a total pain in the ___ to have to use on a daily basis.
I'm just pointing out that SlashDot's reader base is likely to contain many people who possess a "doctorate" but have no medical training.
Maybe I'm wrong, and /. is really just a bunch of teen age script kiddy trolls like I've been told, but I have seen comments from some pretty bright people here on occasion, some of which actually are "doctors" in the correct use of the term, but probably know little about medicine.
"How many medical schools have you attended that you can make such an authoritative sounding statement?" Attended? None. By choice. Visited? Many. I go through the local one at least weekly. It's happening there, and also at 1 others I have visited recently. And, I know of 2 that do it in the third year.
"Maybe you don't like it, but I honestly feel that most patients don't want to be examined, to be poked and prodded, to reveal all sorts of personal secrets to by somebody they refer to as "Bob" or "Jacky." Maybe I'm wrong, but such has been my experience." I truely believe you _are_ wrong. And I also believe the AMA did a study on that very point in the last 10 years. The conclusions AFAIK were that patients 1) would rather know the specifics of the credntials, like where exactly they went to medical school, and how well they did (what do you call the guy who graduates at the bottom of his class in Medical School? "Dr." :-( I'd rather know how he did and know where he went!). And, I believe the AMA study also found 2) Patients who are on a first name basis with thier care giver (used generically intentionally) are more likely to be open with thier problems, and recieve better treatement (which actually can give PA's an advantage over MD's and DO's in some cases).
So... I guess I disagree. :-/
Meanwhile, hopefully he (the english professor) will attempt to preserve our language. Or, does everyone want to backpedal now and let the press refer to "crackers" as "hackers."
My point was, it's a SlashDot double standard to constantly correct one misused term, and feel fine to use another.
Now, call me Dr. and I'll laugh ;-) `cause I'm "Rob" not "Dr. Current" and think that it's only a sign of insecurity to require use of your title in anywhere other than a strict professional setting.
In medical school, during the second year, students are told they must start refering to one another as "doctor." Meanwhile, 4th and 5th year graduate students in Physics call themselfs, each other and thier professors by thier first name. Medical school is the "boot camp" of education, where they "build you up" much like a Marine or something.... As for the "It's a trade. It's a more respectable and remunerative trade than carpentry, but certainly less interesting and arguably of less use." thing, your right. But, you call carpenters carpenters, and not "journeyman" or "apprentice", you don't assume all "journeyman" are carpenters and not electricians. That's the point I was makeing.
WTF is up with the "HTML Formatted" option!!!? Is it NOT working THIS is a TEST.
After Previewing TWICE, it took all my tags out! Here is a "retaged" verson, if it works: Common public misconception about terms has caused all kinds of problems in society, minor and major. Slashdot has went on numerous crusades in the past about the misuse of "hacker" when it was meant to be "cracker," but now has no problem with the use of the term "doctor." Yes, this is picking a nit. Doctor is a person who receives a Doctoral Degree, not the person who helps you when your sick. Although Hollywood and the media would like to perpetuate the misuse of this term, what your really looking for is "MD" which is the specific subset of doctors who studied medicine. Not a _huge_ deal, but it just makes you it sound like you don't know that there are other "doctors" out there. I suspect there are probably a large number of doctors in the slashdot reader base who have studied computers, math, physics, chemistry, engineering, and many other fields. In a small way, by making the comment "Introducing Open Source to the Doctors" your insulting them, when it should read "Introducing Open Source to the MDs"
Common public misconception about terms has caused all kinds of problems in society, minor and major. Slashdot has went on numerous crusades in the past about the misuse of "hacker" when it was meant to be "cracker," but now has no problem with the use of the term "doctor." Yes, this is picking a nit. Doctor is a person who receives a Doctoral Degree, not the person who helps you when your sick. Although Hollywood and the media would like to perpetuate the misuse of this term, what your really looking for is "MD" which is the specific subset of doctors who studied medicine. Not a _huge_ deal, but it just makes you it sound like you don't know that there are other "doctors" out there. I suspect there are probably a large number of doctors in the slashdot reader base who have studied computers, math, physics, chemistry, engineering, and many other fields. In a small way, by making the comment "Introducing Open Source to the Doctors" your insulting them, when it should read "Introducing Open Source to the MDs"
Before you start the flame fest, Mandrake is _based_ on Red Hat, not just recompiled and repackaged. Mandrake has several differances (more-so with version 6.1 now). And, Corel looks like it's based on Mandrake at first glance, which would make it _twice removed_ from Red Hat, which, is kind of a nice thing to think about.
Red Hat has GPL'ed all it's stuff for so long, now we are seeing the real benifits of that. Someone was able to make something that better fit a specific nitch based on thier product. And, now maybe we have another company which comes along and takes that a step farther.
Interesting, If It's True... ;-)
And, BTW, WTF is this country comming to? What's next, "suspicion of conspiracy to insight potetntial threats, imprisionable for 20 years?" Yea, right, there's no such thing as Big Brother or the Thought Police.... Uh-huh...
From the looks of it, it's a thing where you set up "your desktop" on thier web server, and thus can access "your desktop" through a browser from anywhere....
Maybe I'm wrong here, but this isn't the next KDE/Gnome... It's a weird spin on client/server "work environments." And, I'll add to that, I'd much rather have a nice big server on a local LAN and do "X -query server" ;-) for a more traditional way of keeping all my work in one place and accessing it from anywhere (locally, bandwidth allowing ;-)
Before I read this (yesterday morning) I had my mind set on reformatting the drive on my NAT at home to get rid of Red Hat 4.2, and finally install something a little newer. I was convinced I was going to go with OpenBSD.
Then, like the dork I can be at times, I was talking to someone on IRC about the idea, and I got talked into _not_ using OpenBSD. So I went with FreeBSD. :-/
Had I read this little blurb yesterday morning, I would have surely had installed OpenBSD insted. I really didn't have any motivation to install one OS over the other, just wanted a *BSD, and to do it quickly. If I'd have know there was a nice page all set up with instructions on exactly what I was going to do using OpenBSD, I am sure that would have been enough to sway my decision.
As far as Star Office goes, it's way to early to tell. Sun is in about the same position right now as Netscape was at the beginning of the "browser wars." They have a product (office suite) that is in high demand, and they are "giving it away." Sounds a lot like Netscape.
But, consider this: Netscape said they were going to go "open source" and yet Mozilla is totally original based, and not based on fixing/bugtracking the v.1.0-v.4.7 code tree. Yet, Netscape seems to have been highly praised by the open source community. Add to that, there is almost NO ONE who doesn't know what "Netscape" is, and v.5.0 to rise up from the Mozilla code is one of the most highly anticipated projects in existance.
So, Sun comes along, and opens up the code to Star Office from the get go. The minute they get it, they let the code out. Sure, the licence is not all that it could be. But, Netscape didn't even do this much when they went the "open source" route.
My point is, it's too early to judge where Sun is going to go with Star Office. Star Office is a high profile product for Sun, in that it is fully functional, runs on NT, Windows 95, Windows 98, Linux, FreeBSD (with a little work), Solaris, and Solaris x86. Even with a "poor" licence from the "open source" standpoint, they have a broad platform base for a solid product. If they port the Office Suite to Macintosh, IRIX, and Tru64-UNIX, there won't be much that Star Office won't run on.
Then, with an unbelievably broad platform base for a high demand product (an office suite) there isn't much excuse for anyone to not use Star Office which is free rather than pay $300 for Microsoft Office.
First impression, Why support hardware/os's that are not Sun/Solaris? Because once you have a accepted Office Suite that everyone is using, there will be almost no resistance to companies going the way of Heavy Duty Server/Thin Client products. Put Star Office on the server, everyone runs it from an Xterminal. What resistance is there left to not use UNIX, with Sun being UNIX's steller star that made it all possable.
No excuse that "people are use to Windows or Macintosh, and MicroSoft Office. Retraining will cost too much to convert to Unix and client/server technology." They will already have the widespread use of the same office suite that will run on the new technology.
THAT is what it's all about people! It's not about Sun getting into the software market with this new Office Suite. It's about Sun using this new office suite as a spring board to launch the Server/Client technology they are dying to sell. AND, that's why it's Way to early to tell what to think about Sun's stance on Open Source. If Sun sees that completely GPL'ing Star Office would give it the broad based usage they want, they will probably do it. But it's still too early for THEM to make that decision, because they are trying to figure out the best way to get Star Office to replace MicroSoft Office in the general user base.
I have heard rumor that the devistation of the earthquake has been "repaired" (not saying it wasn't devistating as far as personal life/property), and that RAM manufactures were up to full speed already.
The rumor further says that it's the markets willingness to pay over $2/M still that has kept the prices up for the last couple weeks, when not that long ago prices were well under $1/M.
Anyone know of any proof of these "rumors"???
That's $29/G :-)
It would be sort of nice to not have to do a "make distclean" ever again ;-)
xmodmap
Don't know if it helps, you probably got it fixed by now.
When you don't know where any of the keys are, cut and paste is your friend ;-)
With 256M of memory, this Ultra5 is actually *slower* than my IBM ThinkPad 860 running AIX with a 603/166MHz and 64M in it.
Anyone have info on IBM ThinkPad's running AIX?!? (I'm digging around on IBM's site right now, but havn't found them yet, seems to be SllooooW tonight).
And, since were talking about this thing outpreforming a $2000 Sun Ultra 5, I would assume your complaint would only be valid if the ThinkPad running AIX was cheaper. (Which I suspect it isn't, but how much are they? If anyone can provide URL's, that'd be great... I'll keep digging on IBM's site, but I am having some major bandwidth problems ... Pings are even ~2000+ms)
Didn't I recently read somewhere that the Linux user base had passed MacOS user base? I don't question that Win95 is probably the most commonly used OS still, but I guess somehow I got the impression that Linux was more common than MacOS now.
Anyone know for sure?
Seeing rapid price fluctuations in most computer componants, it's a little scary to order something that isn't even going to ship for that long.
I still maintain that it's sad that it's not a standard feature.
In advance, I don't intend this as a personal attack, it's just that I am getting tired of replying to the same comment.
I did not say that the G4 can't do SCSI
I said, SCSI was standard on all Apple systems not long ago, and it's sad to see that this is no longer true. In addition, trying to order SCSI as an option from the Apple on line store seems a bit difficult, more difficult that it should be for the average consumer trying to equip thier $1,500 base priced G4 system.
If you go with a SCSI option, you will see a great benifit. By not useing SCSI, your bogging down your G4 un-nessessarly. It's a sad thing to see Apple move away from using SCSI as standard.
Again... I didn't say the G4 couldn't do SCSI. But if you look at the specs page, it says SCSI support for up to 3 devices, but when you go over to the order pages, you see this is an "option" and not standard.
It's an economic move on Apples part to sell more systems, I know. But it's sad. As someone else mentioned, SUN has made this step too, and that too is sad. If SGI does it too, that would be sad.
But, taking a step backwards, useing cheaper componants for the standard systems is the point I am trying to make. I am not trying to tell you that Apple's G4 system won't do SCSI. And... This seems to be the thrid time I am saying that.
Oh, I wish I could go back and add a little note at the bottom of my first post just to say "Yes, I know the G4 systems _can_ use SCSI"