You could buy computers with backs that opened, and you could configure them with new hardware...
Can't say it's particularly hard to remember the present. While we had (and continue to have) this with computers we have never had it with cellphones before.
I think this "angry mob" is just a angry man. Apple has no reason to censor anything, there's lots of complaints on the forums already
The RDF is so strong in some people that even Apple themselves can't overcome it! Comments have been disappearing and they even admitted to removing the poll.
As long as it is anonymized at the recording end I don't have an issue.
...and given that it's free software that can be verified (or implemented). I don't understand why some of the FOSS community is trying to alienate Canonical, we already know not everybody is going to share the same beliefs/morals so this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate how the benefits of free software can be utilized to take Canonical's product and also make it palatable to those who feel the search feature is a privacy violation.
I'm not saying Canonical should be celebrated for this but instead of just hating on them why not use this as an opportunity to demonstrate why free software is so good? Otherwise this is just showing that the often-espoused benefits of free software aren't practically utilized anyway, it's really no different that a proprietary program.
Just because the default behavior is to ask you to opt-in to the sending of searches hardly makes it any less 'free'. In fact the source code can be downloaded, modified to automatically opt-out and re-distributed if you really want to, because it's free! That's the whole point of free software, that if you don't like the default or want additional features you can add them.
Who is this "we, the FOSS community"? I would have thought Ubuntu and Google were part of the FOSS community, even Apple makes significant contributions to FOSS, are they included? I don't think there is some "FOSS community" that makes these decisions.
were you hit in the head? you cant get any more premium than the pricing and design of the frigging Mac Pro.
Obviously the idiotic case design (seriously rotating it with all the cables plugged into it so you wrench it all around? wtf?!) is pretty pouncy but as far as specs go it's not bad value when compared to other off-the-shelf setups like HP's Z series.
You dont have an appletv, but you are sure its because i have the auto update on (you stated its obvious).
It has a feature called "auto update", which obviously if you have that on then it will automatically update. In any case if the auto update switch is broken on AppleTV there's clearly an issue there, but I don't have an AppleTV and was referring to iPhones & iPads, which you do not have to update.
Then i tell you how i managed to disable the auto update and you refer me to google?
Read your post where you clearly asked how to disable the auto update feature: "Perhaps you can show me where the "optional" part is so i can turn it off?"
You are correct, his problem was his kids. The point of the link was it contains instructions needed to disable it.
No, it contained instructions needed to prevent updating it even if you deliberately and explicitly attempted to update it.
This is not the case with me and had you used google yourself you would see auto-updating breaking jailbreaks is a common problem.
Of course auto-updating breaks jailbreaks, it updates the OS.
By the way, did you read the CNET link you included?
"I'm not sure what caused the lone unit to set itself to on, but it's a good reminder to always check these settings."
Yes I did, I don't know what the default is but if it's off leave it off and if it's on turn it off.
No, no I'm not. It clearly states that "The problem is that "trigger happy" kids are updating and leaving me with a new jailbreaking", so he ultimately wanting to put a stop to manual updating, which you would know if you bothered to actually read the first post of the link you posted.
Which is not made clear to the consumer until after they've purchased the item and opened the packaging, thus devaluing the product.
Then that is the thing that should be made clear, if you knew that then why did you suggest it should be portrayed as if you are renting or leasing the product?
Face it, the way hardware w/ software purchases are treated is blatantly scammy. Why would you defend a practice that hurts you?
I'm not defending it, I'm trying to understand where you're coming from, first you were talking about hardware ownership, I'm not even sure who you think is disagreeing with you since it is quite clear that you do indeed own the hardware. Then you decided you wanted it to be that the product is leased or rented instead of bought which wouldn't be accurate at all. The fact is it is the software component of the device that is licensed so perhaps they need to put on the box "The software contained on the device is licensed - not sold - to you." or something like that.
Visual Studio is gimped version of proprietary IDE. Likely only made available to get people hooked on the platform, else they'd have to turn to open source compilers. It's competition driven by OSS/FSF.
Nope, because you can use open source compilers with visual studio if you want. Just use a call to 'make' in your build command commandline and have that use gcc or whatever.
"The purchase of the device can best be viewed as a rental agreement. Apple retains all ownership of the software and may restrict what you can do with the device after you purchase it".
But that's wrong, you never have to update the software if you don't want to, you can always use it just the same as the day you bought it.
RedHat's done pretty well for itself selling little more than support contracts, as have many other server distro vendors.
That's all well and good but you won't sell support contracts to regular consumers and we all know people hate ads, which if it's free software can be stripped out anyway, diluting the value of that proposition. Even Google has stepped up to the 'switch' part of their Android Bait-and-Switch, dropping the free and open applications in favor of much improved but closed and proprietary ones, just look at music, calendar, search, etc... in order to continue gaining (or increasing) advertising revenue from Android.
that's just utterly ridiculous...even if Google stopped work on it today, the OS community and the huge worldwide installed userbase would keep it going forever
No they won't, handset makers will simply replace it with something else, probably ChromeOS. Even if handset makers did decide to take on the immense task of maintaining and developing the whole operating system they would each have their own forks of it and the versions would diverge into a totally incompatible mess.
Same thing happened with Maemo/Meego and webOS, they were hailed as brilliant open operating systems yet when left to the community they stagnated and are effectively extinct now.
Oh but I bet you the iPad fanboys (note i said 'fanboys', not 'users' because not every iPad user is a rabid fanboy) will tell you all about how they can tell the difference between 2048x1536 and 1920x1200 at arms length distance but that they can't notice any distortion in the scaled picture at that distance, it's their selective iVision.
So what exactly would you suggest they put on the box to explain all of this information? This seems like the sort of stuff you would ask the salesperson or do some research on. The issue clearly has nothing to do with ownership of the hardware and is just about the software, which you could theoretically replace.
Precisely, it is your hardware, it might not be particularly open or have mechanisms for doing what you want to do but you don't get to dictate what they sell, you get to choose what you buy so if you bought that hardware with the intention of installing Android on it and then find out it isn't particularly easy then frankly you bought the wrong product.
Why is it abusive? It's their hardware, their rules.
You just answered your own question: because once I pay for it, it's not their hardware anymore. It's mine, and I'll do whatever I damn well please with it.
It's their hardware which they make, then they sell it to you and it's your hardware and - as you say - you can do whatever you please with it. So what's the problem?
I'm too lazy to test this, since I'd have to uninstall Java, but I'm pretty sure you can just shut off the Java stuff in Preferences -> LibreOffice -> Advanced -> Use a Java Runtime Environment.
You know why Linux is as useful and ubiquitous as it is today?
It's because of collaboration! Using free and proprietary technologies together has produced devices that are not only considerably open and customizable but also performant, usable and palatable to the average user. If you go all FOSS you end up with a Lemote Yeelong and if you go all proprietary you end up with an iPad, now obviously the latter is far more appealing to the masses but the former does have its advantages so a blend of the two is going to appease an even larger audience.
It won't appease the religious FOSS fanatics but they are generally willing (or at least claim to be) to forgo the niceties that the majority cares about to satisfy their religious agenda, which is obviously why it hasn't gained mainstream adoption. Collaboration, working together with people who have different ideologies produces the best solutions so when your ideology is built on exclusion and explicitly not working with those who don't share your beliefs then being stuck in the technological past shouldn't be surprising.
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You could buy computers with backs that opened, and you could configure them with new hardware...
Can't say it's particularly hard to remember the present. While we had (and continue to have) this with computers we have never had it with cellphones before.
I think this "angry mob" is just a angry man. Apple has no reason to censor anything, there's lots of complaints on the forums already
The RDF is so strong in some people that even Apple themselves can't overcome it! Comments have been disappearing and they even admitted to removing the poll.
As long as it is anonymized at the recording end I don't have an issue.
...and given that it's free software that can be verified (or implemented). I don't understand why some of the FOSS community is trying to alienate Canonical, we already know not everybody is going to share the same beliefs/morals so this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate how the benefits of free software can be utilized to take Canonical's product and also make it palatable to those who feel the search feature is a privacy violation.
I'm not saying Canonical should be celebrated for this but instead of just hating on them why not use this as an opportunity to demonstrate why free software is so good? Otherwise this is just showing that the often-espoused benefits of free software aren't practically utilized anyway, it's really no different that a proprietary program.
Just because the default behavior is to ask you to opt-in to the sending of searches hardly makes it any less 'free'. In fact the source code can be downloaded, modified to automatically opt-out and re-distributed if you really want to, because it's free! That's the whole point of free software, that if you don't like the default or want additional features you can add them.
We, the FOSS community decide what's right.
Who is this "we, the FOSS community"? I would have thought Ubuntu and Google were part of the FOSS community, even Apple makes significant contributions to FOSS, are they included? I don't think there is some "FOSS community" that makes these decisions.
were you hit in the head? you cant get any more premium than the pricing and design of the frigging Mac Pro.
Obviously the idiotic case design (seriously rotating it with all the cables plugged into it so you wrench it all around? wtf?!) is pretty pouncy but as far as specs go it's not bad value when compared to other off-the-shelf setups like HP's Z series.
Well i think that would be perfectly reasonable.
You dont have an appletv, but you are sure its because i have the auto update on (you stated its obvious).
It has a feature called "auto update", which obviously if you have that on then it will automatically update. In any case if the auto update switch is broken on AppleTV there's clearly an issue there, but I don't have an AppleTV and was referring to iPhones & iPads, which you do not have to update.
Then i tell you how i managed to disable the auto update and you refer me to google?
Read your post where you clearly asked how to disable the auto update feature:
"Perhaps you can show me where the "optional" part is so i can turn it off?"
You are correct, his problem was his kids. The point of the link was it contains instructions needed to disable it.
No, it contained instructions needed to prevent updating it even if you deliberately and explicitly attempted to update it.
This is not the case with me and had you used google yourself you would see auto-updating breaking jailbreaks is a common problem.
Of course auto-updating breaks jailbreaks, it updates the OS.
By the way, did you read the CNET link you included?
"I'm not sure what caused the lone unit to set itself to on, but it's a good reminder to always check these settings."
Yes I did, I don't know what the default is but if it's off leave it off and if it's on turn it off.
Perhaps you can show me where the "optional" part is so i can turn it off?
I don't have an AppleTV, but surely you're familiar with search engines that allow you to find stuff.
I think you are thinking of something like this: http://forums.plexapp.com/index.php/topic/29970-disable-automatic-updates/
No, no I'm not. It clearly states that "The problem is that "trigger happy" kids are updating and leaving me with a new jailbreaking", so he ultimately wanting to put a stop to manual updating, which you would know if you bothered to actually read the first post of the link you posted.
Which is not made clear to the consumer until after they've purchased the item and opened the packaging, thus devaluing the product.
Then that is the thing that should be made clear, if you knew that then why did you suggest it should be portrayed as if you are renting or leasing the product?
Face it, the way hardware w/ software purchases are treated is blatantly scammy. Why would you defend a practice that hurts you?
I'm not defending it, I'm trying to understand where you're coming from, first you were talking about hardware ownership, I'm not even sure who you think is disagreeing with you since it is quite clear that you do indeed own the hardware. Then you decided you wanted it to be that the product is leased or rented instead of bought which wouldn't be accurate at all. The fact is it is the software component of the device that is licensed so perhaps they need to put on the box "The software contained on the device is licensed - not sold - to you." or something like that.
Visual Studio is gimped version of proprietary IDE. Likely only made available to get people hooked on the platform, else they'd have to turn to open source compilers. It's competition driven by OSS/FSF.
Nope, because you can use open source compilers with visual studio if you want. Just use a call to 'make' in your build command commandline and have that use gcc or whatever.
Perhaps you can explain why my appleTV (2) has been updated three times since I've owned it even though i have never selected update?
Because AppleTV has an optional 'auto update' feature which you obviously have turned on.
Simply put, the problem that Linux has is a lack of open source support from Nvidia and other companies in regards to drivers.
Really? The problem is just that people wanted to use open source nvidia drivers instead of their closed source ones?
"The purchase of the device can best be viewed as a rental agreement. Apple retains all ownership of the software and may restrict what you can do with the device after you purchase it".
But that's wrong, you never have to update the software if you don't want to, you can always use it just the same as the day you bought it.
RedHat's done pretty well for itself selling little more than support contracts, as have many other server distro vendors.
That's all well and good but you won't sell support contracts to regular consumers and we all know people hate ads, which if it's free software can be stripped out anyway, diluting the value of that proposition. Even Google has stepped up to the 'switch' part of their Android Bait-and-Switch, dropping the free and open applications in favor of much improved but closed and proprietary ones, just look at music, calendar, search, etc... in order to continue gaining (or increasing) advertising revenue from Android.
How about instead of using the word "buy" they instead use the more accurate "rent" or "lease?"
That's less accurate, you do buy and own the hardware, you don't rent or lease it. You don't own the software, you license it.
that's just utterly ridiculous...even if Google stopped work on it today, the OS community and the huge worldwide installed userbase would keep it going forever
No they won't, handset makers will simply replace it with something else, probably ChromeOS. Even if handset makers did decide to take on the immense task of maintaining and developing the whole operating system they would each have their own forks of it and the versions would diverge into a totally incompatible mess.
Same thing happened with Maemo/Meego and webOS, they were hailed as brilliant open operating systems yet when left to the community they stagnated and are effectively extinct now.
just like Linus did with unix.
Linus didn't do anything with unix.
Oh but I bet you the iPad fanboys (note i said 'fanboys', not 'users' because not every iPad user is a rabid fanboy) will tell you all about how they can tell the difference between 2048x1536 and 1920x1200 at arms length distance but that they can't notice any distortion in the scaled picture at that distance, it's their selective iVision.
So what exactly would you suggest they put on the box to explain all of this information? This seems like the sort of stuff you would ask the salesperson or do some research on. The issue clearly has nothing to do with ownership of the hardware and is just about the software, which you could theoretically replace.
Precisely, it is your hardware, it might not be particularly open or have mechanisms for doing what you want to do but you don't get to dictate what they sell, you get to choose what you buy so if you bought that hardware with the intention of installing Android on it and then find out it isn't particularly easy then frankly you bought the wrong product.
Why is it abusive? It's their hardware, their rules.
You just answered your own question: because once I pay for it, it's not their hardware anymore. It's mine, and I'll do whatever I damn well please with it.
It's their hardware which they make, then they sell it to you and it's your hardware and - as you say - you can do whatever you please with it. So what's the problem?
iWork is now free, and include collaboration features that MS Office will have a hell of a time trying to match.
-jcr
It isn't free, it's included in the price of new hardware. If it were free I could get it for no cost on my current macbook.
Good for you.
I'm too lazy to test this, since I'd have to uninstall Java, but I'm pretty sure you can just shut off the Java stuff in Preferences -> LibreOffice -> Advanced -> Use a Java Runtime Environment.
You can use it without Java but you lose a whole bunch of functionality.
You know why Linux is as useful and ubiquitous as it is today?
It's because of collaboration! Using free and proprietary technologies together has produced devices that are not only considerably open and customizable but also performant, usable and palatable to the average user. If you go all FOSS you end up with a Lemote Yeelong and if you go all proprietary you end up with an iPad, now obviously the latter is far more appealing to the masses but the former does have its advantages so a blend of the two is going to appease an even larger audience.
It won't appease the religious FOSS fanatics but they are generally willing (or at least claim to be) to forgo the niceties that the majority cares about to satisfy their religious agenda, which is obviously why it hasn't gained mainstream adoption. Collaboration, working together with people who have different ideologies produces the best solutions so when your ideology is built on exclusion and explicitly not working with those who don't share your beliefs then being stuck in the technological past shouldn't be surprising.