It seems you're having difficulty understanding the question, his point is that while supposedly these 'apple fanbois' said 'nobody would build for android', it turns out that was incorrect.
I can't believe you're still having so much trouble with this, I'll try to make it simple for you: Does anybody build for Android? Yes, in fact a significant amount of people do. Hence the statement that 'nobody would build for android' is false.
In this case they trotted out the same old single-thread Javascript benchmarks, as if they're representative of the hardware underneath. They're not, they're representative of the Javascript runtime underneath - and x86 Javascript JITs are more mature than the ARM ones.
Yes i can just see Joe Sixpack complaining about the slowness of his phone only to be satisfied by the response that his phone hardware isn't slower, it's just that the Javascript JIT compiler isn't as mature.
That could be down to the screen technology or other components in the SoC (a GPU that is significantly more advanced, for example) rather than the CPU core in the SoC.
I doubt screen technology or the GPU have much bearing on standby battery drain.
Yeah, I heard that from apple fanbois a couple years ago, "iOS has all the apps, nobody will build for android" how's that turning out?
Quite well thank you.
It seems you're having difficulty understanding the question, his point is that while supposedly these 'apple fanbois' said 'nobody would build for android', it turns out that was incorrect.
95% to 99% of computer users do
internet
email
light document work for which google apps, pages or the other apps out there are more than good enough
photo editing - there are photo editing apps in both markets and as long as they are as good enough as the current version of iphoto it will be good enough for most people
Those are the tasks that 95-99% of computer users have in common, not the only things that 95-99% of users do.
Isn't what you're saying the same as a thumbnail of a pic? or 'fit to screen', zoom in/out ? I agree that this algorithm is (unfortunately) patentable but if this is what they're complaining about (I didn't read TFA, just going off from your comment) wouldn't this be considered prior art?
Patents aren't about an idea, they are about the method for implementing the idea.
Let's say you're walking in a city of 14 million people. You stop at an ATM and enter your PIN. What's to say that one of those 14 million isn't watching, hoping to steal your PIN and then your money?
The difference is that you don't pass your PIN around between an unknown number of those people to get to the ATM, you put it there directly yourself. And if you're worried about some people peeking then you cover it with your hand or a cloth if you're really paranoid and no-one sees.
This is absolutely right! Remember in the 90s, when Microsoft introduced NT for RISC platforms like the Alpha & MIPS, they never ported their major programs there, like Office, nor the bulk of their apps. That made the MIPS version almost a non-starter
I don't buy that argument, MS were in heavy competition in almost all areas of desktop applications and none of those competitors saw viability in RISC platforms for their products either.
they are porting it to an arch that is the EXACT opposite of X86 which means all their software, the ONLY thing that gives Windows a lock on the desktop, is completely gone
Except for anything Java and.Net, which run on a VM so assuming they have ARM VMs (which they do) that software will run fine, and im sure many popular vendors will recompile their native programs for ARM. I'm not saying ARM desktops are a good idea, in fact I agree with you on that and don't really see a reason why you would buy an ARM desktop over an x86 one if you're going to run Windows on it, but the software problem isn't that bad.
I find MS' strategy here interesting, they're trying to unify their desktop/laptop, tablet and phone (with WP Apollo) with.Net, whether that will work though remains to be seen, if it fails i guess ill stick to the ipad and OSX, but then even Apple seem to be hinting on unifying their platforms (particularly with the 'Launchpad' in Lion). The good thing is MS won't dump backwards compatibility quickly, with an x86 PC and Windows 8 you'll still be able to run all your programs and hopefully that will be supported for another 10 years.
Well, they don't generally offer maintenance support either. How often does your desktop-based web browser get a security patch, and how often do you get them for your android browser? Do you think this is because the android browser doesn't contain any bugs?
Of course, this was never about maintenance though, this was about old hardware getting a new OS.
I'm not sure I'd rather get upgrades for my two year old phone if it means that it still does basically the same stuff it did two years ago...
Well yeah, if it still does basically the same stuff and that's enough for you there's probably no reason to upgrade.
But we are talking about a new version of the OS here, not maintenance support, which is a separate issue. Samsung - or any other OEM - obviously can't know that the hardware they produce today will run the OS developed by another company well over a year in the future.
You've lost the context - the discussion was about the fact that people can post things on facebook ("tag") about people who aren't registered members and therefore haven't consented.
How is that different from any other medium where someone can post things about people?
That aspect concerns me more than anything else. I haven't consented to them storing information about me, and it's completely beyond me why the government doesn't put the smackdown on them for tracking people that haven't agreed to it.
How exactly are you going to stop it? Your friends and family - well actually anyone - can say you were somewhere doing something, that doesn't make it true.
Probably could use a trackpad, but either case is far more accurate and efficient than touch (for example you can get text cursor accuracy on touch but it's not as fast as using a mouse/trackpad). And then of course there's reaching over the keyboard everytime you want to select something.
And that's support for it continuing. What is this game you keep trying to play?
No it isn't, are you just completely retarded? Just because I call you out on your invalid reason to oppose something does not mean i support it, clearly this discussion is far beyond your level of intelligence, I'm not sure why you're bothering, with nonsensical logic like that you look stupider every time you post.
I've told you before. Read the answer I already gave.
So it's just about money for you then.
In your opinion it is not a valid reason. It certainly is a valid reason if you believe that unfunded mandates are wrong.
Explain how unfunded mandates are wrong then.
You happen to think that it's fine for federal and state governments to tell local school districts that they must do certain things but then not provide the money to do them. I don't agree.
Who even said this is unfunded? And even if it is then you oppose better quality education because the government won't pay for it for you?
Now you prove you didn't read what I've written because I didn't say that. I made no cost comparisons at all. I don't know which of the two costs more. What I DO know is that being forced to ADD support for mandatory online courses also ADDS the costs of those courses to an existing teaching system.
I assumed you meant that it adds to the cost and you've just validated my assumption as being correct. How does adding support for online courses add costs?
Only if you get rid of the existing teaching staff, and I've been repeatedly told in this discussion that nobody is suggesting that. You're basing your whole argument on that happening.
I'm not basing anything on getting rid of teaching staff, you're clearly having a severe reading comprehension problem. But obviously if you reduce the number of classes being taught by traditional methods and replace them with online classes that reduces - but does not eliminate - the need for teaching staff.
I still think you're Verizon's customer (or Sprint or AT&T or [insert_carrier]). The Google software comes with the phone, installed by the carrier which makes you a user of Google's software but not their customer.
Read the original post, it specifically refers to the Google Video rental service, for which you pay Google for a service, by definition making you their customer. If you're just using their search or free services then you might have a point, but this is explicitly related to a situation where you are paying Google directly for a service, in that case you are most definitely their customer.
Well that's not the only reason, you can get access to pretty much any textbook you like without having to lug them around, you can easily access published papers and other research material not to mention it's a damn side more efficient to search a digital publication than a printed one. Then there's the backup, history, interactivity, media (audio/video), etc...
I'm not saying the proposal has any merit nor does any idea of replacing everything with new technology but clearly high school students will go on to use this sort of technology in the real world so augmenting the learning process with it in high school makes sense.
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also a google intern that posted why Android can never currently be as smooth as IOS
I haven't read all of the pieces and responses but the standout is that after responses from Dianne Hackborn and Bob Lee he says:
A LOT OF MY ANALYSIS OF ANDROID PERFORMANCE IS WRONG, HOWEVER I AM LEAVING THIS POST UP BECAUSE OF MY COMMENTARY ON THE ISSUE.
It seems you're having difficulty understanding the question, his point is that while supposedly these 'apple fanbois' said 'nobody would build for android', it turns out that was incorrect.
So where is Infinity Blade?
I can't believe you're still having so much trouble with this, I'll try to make it simple for you:
Does anybody build for Android? Yes, in fact a significant amount of people do. Hence the statement that 'nobody would build for android' is false.
How hard is that to understand?
In this case they trotted out the same old single-thread Javascript benchmarks, as if they're representative of the hardware underneath. They're not, they're representative of the Javascript runtime underneath - and x86 Javascript JITs are more mature than the ARM ones.
Yes i can just see Joe Sixpack complaining about the slowness of his phone only to be satisfied by the response that his phone hardware isn't slower, it's just that the Javascript JIT compiler isn't as mature.
That could be down to the screen technology or other components in the SoC (a GPU that is significantly more advanced, for example) rather than the CPU core in the SoC.
I doubt screen technology or the GPU have much bearing on standby battery drain.
Yeah, I heard that from apple fanbois a couple years ago, "iOS has all the apps, nobody will build for android" how's that turning out?
Quite well thank you.
It seems you're having difficulty understanding the question, his point is that while supposedly these 'apple fanbois' said 'nobody would build for android', it turns out that was incorrect.
95% to 99% of computer users do
internet
email
light document work for which google apps, pages or the other apps out there are more than good enough
photo editing - there are photo editing apps in both markets and as long as they are as good enough as the current version of iphoto it will be good enough for most people
Those are the tasks that 95-99% of computer users have in common, not the only things that 95-99% of users do.
Saying Intel means anything using the IA-32!
So by the same token does saying 'AMD' mean 'anything using the AMD64 architecture'?
However, as consumers we are all likely to benefit from the increased power consumption.
There, thats fixed it for you.
No, no you didn't.
Isn't what you're saying the same as a thumbnail of a pic? or 'fit to screen', zoom in/out ? I agree that this algorithm is (unfortunately) patentable but if this is what they're complaining about (I didn't read TFA, just going off from your comment) wouldn't this be considered prior art?
Patents aren't about an idea, they are about the method for implementing the idea.
Let's say you're walking in a city of 14 million people. You stop at an ATM and enter your PIN. What's to say that one of those 14 million isn't watching, hoping to steal your PIN and then your money?
The difference is that you don't pass your PIN around between an unknown number of those people to get to the ATM, you put it there directly yourself. And if you're worried about some people peeking then you cover it with your hand or a cloth if you're really paranoid and no-one sees.
This is absolutely right! Remember in the 90s, when Microsoft introduced NT for RISC platforms like the Alpha & MIPS, they never ported their major programs there, like Office, nor the bulk of their apps. That made the MIPS version almost a non-starter
I don't buy that argument, MS were in heavy competition in almost all areas of desktop applications and none of those competitors saw viability in RISC platforms for their products either.
they are porting it to an arch that is the EXACT opposite of X86 which means all their software, the ONLY thing that gives Windows a lock on the desktop, is completely gone
Except for anything Java and .Net, which run on a VM so assuming they have ARM VMs (which they do) that software will run fine, and im sure many popular vendors will recompile their native programs for ARM. I'm not saying ARM desktops are a good idea, in fact I agree with you on that and don't really see a reason why you would buy an ARM desktop over an x86 one if you're going to run Windows on it, but the software problem isn't that bad.
.Net, whether that will work though remains to be seen, if it fails i guess ill stick to the ipad and OSX, but then even Apple seem to be hinting on unifying their platforms (particularly with the 'Launchpad' in Lion). The good thing is MS won't dump backwards compatibility quickly, with an x86 PC and Windows 8 you'll still be able to run all your programs and hopefully that will be supported for another 10 years.
I find MS' strategy here interesting, they're trying to unify their desktop/laptop, tablet and phone (with WP Apollo) with
Well, they don't generally offer maintenance support either. How often does your desktop-based web browser get a security patch, and how often do you get them for your android browser? Do you think this is because the android browser doesn't contain any bugs?
Of course, this was never about maintenance though, this was about old hardware getting a new OS.
I'm not sure I'd rather get upgrades for my two year old phone if it means that it still does basically the same stuff it did two years ago...
Well yeah, if it still does basically the same stuff and that's enough for you there's probably no reason to upgrade.
Notice how Office hasn't been announced for ARM yet.
Where were you a year ago when they did exactly that at CES?
If you've got C/C++, Java and .Net (obviously the latter 2 don't need a recompile) then you've probably got the majority of consumer-level software.
But we are talking about a new version of the OS here, not maintenance support, which is a separate issue. Samsung - or any other OEM - obviously can't know that the hardware they produce today will run the OS developed by another company well over a year in the future.
They're just stealing my personal information because I wasn't aware that they were collecting it from 3rd party sites back before I learned better.
Who are they stealing it from?
You've lost the context - the discussion was about the fact that people can post things on facebook ("tag") about people who aren't registered members and therefore haven't consented.
How is that different from any other medium where someone can post things about people?
Think about location check-ins. If someone else checks you in, Facebook now knows where you were.
No, facebook knows where that person says you were.
That aspect concerns me more than anything else. I haven't consented to them storing information about me, and it's completely beyond me why the government doesn't put the smackdown on them for tracking people that haven't agreed to it.
How exactly are you going to stop it? Your friends and family - well actually anyone - can say you were somewhere doing something, that doesn't make it true.
Probably could use a trackpad, but either case is far more accurate and efficient than touch (for example you can get text cursor accuracy on touch but it's not as fast as using a mouse/trackpad). And then of course there's reaching over the keyboard everytime you want to select something.
And that's support for it continuing. What is this game you keep trying to play?
No it isn't, are you just completely retarded? Just because I call you out on your invalid reason to oppose something does not mean i support it, clearly this discussion is far beyond your level of intelligence, I'm not sure why you're bothering, with nonsensical logic like that you look stupider every time you post.
I've told you before. Read the answer I already gave.
So it's just about money for you then.
In your opinion it is not a valid reason. It certainly is a valid reason if you believe that unfunded mandates are wrong.
Explain how unfunded mandates are wrong then.
You happen to think that it's fine for federal and state governments to tell local school districts that they must do certain things but then not provide the money to do them. I don't agree.
Who even said this is unfunded? And even if it is then you oppose better quality education because the government won't pay for it for you?
Now you prove you didn't read what I've written because I didn't say that. I made no cost comparisons at all. I don't know which of the two costs more. What I DO know is that being forced to ADD support for mandatory online courses also ADDS the costs of those courses to an existing teaching system.
I assumed you meant that it adds to the cost and you've just validated my assumption as being correct. How does adding support for online courses add costs?
Only if you get rid of the existing teaching staff, and I've been repeatedly told in this discussion that nobody is suggesting that. You're basing your whole argument on that happening.
I'm not basing anything on getting rid of teaching staff, you're clearly having a severe reading comprehension problem. But obviously if you reduce the number of classes being taught by traditional methods and replace them with online classes that reduces - but does not eliminate - the need for teaching staff.
I still think you're Verizon's customer (or Sprint or AT&T or [insert_carrier]). The Google software comes with the phone, installed by the carrier which makes you a user of Google's software but not their customer.
Read the original post, it specifically refers to the Google Video rental service, for which you pay Google for a service, by definition making you their customer. If you're just using their search or free services then you might have a point, but this is explicitly related to a situation where you are paying Google directly for a service, in that case you are most definitely their customer.
Well that's not the only reason, you can get access to pretty much any textbook you like without having to lug them around, you can easily access published papers and other research material not to mention it's a damn side more efficient to search a digital publication than a printed one. Then there's the backup, history, interactivity, media (audio/video), etc...
I'm not saying the proposal has any merit nor does any idea of replacing everything with new technology but clearly high school students will go on to use this sort of technology in the real world so augmenting the learning process with it in high school makes sense.
So I say, why not just call it EngineX.
Just be thankful it's not named Libre Nginx.