The PRIMARY reason to use a BlackBerry device is because I don't want the NSA or 4chan all up in my business.
Well the NSA most certainly can be "all up in your business" if you use a BlackBerry so perhaps it's time to switch to something else. As for 4chan, well just don't use "cloud services" for hosting stuff you don't want to be public.
It appears to only have happened to iPhone 6 Plus phones. So there's still the choice of iPhone 6, 5S and 5C if you want to avoid the problem. The 6 Plus was probably not the best choice for anyone who keeps their phone in their jeans pocket. Better for cargo pants or a a purse.
Well given that the 5S exhibits this issue - though it's much less widespread - while being thicker and with a smaller face it would seem the thinner, larger iPhone 6 is going to have this issue to even more of a degree. Yes you could choose the 5C, but that's using 2 year old hardware so you're likely to get about another year of it being usable before updates make it dog slow like they have with the 4S.
Busybox isn't a shell. The default shell included in busybox is almquist shell (or ash) - so assuming Maemo uses the default it is ash, I can't remember - which is a bourne shell clone and I'm not sure whether ash also has this vulnerability.
Samsung phones don't get the same news coverage that Apple phones do. A new iPhone and any surrounding issues make it onto mainstream news sites and chat shows.
Of course, but there are a couple of other the points you're missing.
-If an Android manufacturer has this issue with a model of their phone then users can just choose a different Android manufacturer or model.
-For the latest model iOS smartphone users have the choice of only whatever the latest iPhone is, so if it has an issue then it's an issue for all iOS smartphone users.
-The iPhone has historically been the most common smartphone so an issue with the most common device affects more people than an issue with a less common one.
-As you point out, plastic will flex but will also bend back and aluminium phones like the HTC one require a lot more force to bend due to the curved back.
-Apple is one of the biggest and richest companies in the world so when they screw up of course it's going to be big news.
Having said all this I have a 6+ and I know I'm going to have to be a lot more wary of this.
At a guess I'd say he's referring to the iPhone 5C which is still on sale and is essentially the technology of the iPhone 5. Which I can only see as a glowing endorsement for the efficiency of iOS in how it manages to still run so smoothly even on older hardware.
As opposed to Android sold at Zero cost to Manufactures of Phones
That's a pretty naive view, sure you could get it at no cost when it is released as open source after the first handsets have shipped but for the ability to be competitive it is pretty much essential to be a paying member of the Open Handset Alliance which HTC, Sony, LG, Motorola, Samsung, Huawei, Asus, ZTE and many others are.
How many phones does Samsung and Google sell every time there is a new Android phone?
Well it's hard to look at all the numbers together but if we take Samsung's S5 and Note 3 which would be somewhat equivalent to the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus. The S5 was at 10 million in its first 25 days and the Note 3 got 5 million sales in its first month so they don't seem to be that far behind and given that Samsung - while the most popular - is far from the only Android handset maker, comparing iOS to Android sales of new devices it would seem Android would probably win out.
The challenge is, how do you sell a product to a demographic that is immune to traditional interruption marketing, sees sales as an evil profession, is more likely influenced by their online affinity circle than specifications documents, and brands corporations as evil?
Well clearly that doesn't work here, people are always called out for that and if not their point is rebutted. The problem is most of the time they are called out on it - like in this instance - is just because the person calling them out doesn't agree with their subjective opinion. There is no rebuttal, just an accusation because he/she cannot come up with a valid rebuttal.
Saying "Anyone who disagrees with me is a paid shill" is no different than "Either you accept the entirety of the progressive/liberal beliefs or you are a ignorant, racist, homophobic, xenophobic hayseed clinging to guns and religion evil rethugnikan" - A clear sign of an immature, deluded person who thinks with their emotions rather than their brain.
I think it's software more than drivers, but that's an issue to take up with software vendors. Desktop Linux is technically a great operating system, even Windows Phone, webOS and Meego are technically a great operating systems but ultimately they all fail as operating systems from the point of view of being able to run applications and that's the primary job of an operating system, that's all anybody cares about.
Ok but hang on, that is not a "known fact" in this instance at all. While you might say this is commonplace because PR people suggest it that doesn't appear to be the case here, in this case it clearly is "if somebody has a different opinion on a subjective matter to me i'll brand them a paid shill", apparently "Surface and Windows desktop suck" and anybody who doesn't agree with that is a paid shill, that's just braindead idiocy.
It is a known fact Microsoft pays recent graduates to troll forums - and it ir rather obvious here.
Can you point me to the factual basis? I have heard that quite a lot but it's always been from people who use that as a rebuttal rather than making a real argument.
I'm sure many people can manage without Windows when they're just doing basic computing tasks like email, browsing and documents, but in that situation iPads are much more the device of choice than Linux PCs and everybody needing CAD, CAM, CAE. photo/audio/video editing, simulation & analysis, etc... will continue to use Windows or OS X.
Buying a surface pro is a non-sequitur. For that kind of money I am FAR better of with a MacBook Pro machine.
That all depends what your use case is, obviously you don't need a touch screen or active stylus input. Saying your better off with an MBP than a Surface when you don't need the features of the Surface is as redundant as saying you are better off with a boat than a car because you need to travel across water.
Oh get over yourself, nobody is "shilling". The reality is that nobody cares about an OS, it exists purely to run applications so even if you have the technically best and technically most advanced operating system ever created it is utterly useless unless it can run the programs that people need to run to accomplish the tasks that they need the computer for. Windows - and in large part OS X - accomplish this on the desktop for the vast majority of people, Linux accomplishes this largely on servers and smartphones. Windows fails at this on smartphones and Linux fails at it on desktops.
Nobody is saying Windows is a superior operating system to OS X or Linux from a technical perspective - in fact I don't think you'll find an overall winner in any category - but from the perspective of being a desktop operating system, by and large it is. Just as Android and iOS are on smartphones and Linux is on servers.
Of course they do and if they work they'll not bother to change it. They could quite easily change if there were a reason to but there isn't so they won't.
You better know what you are talking about. People are jailbreaking them for some reason
You could always google it. They are jailbreaking the non-Pro Surface models, we are talking about the Surface Pro, which is not ARM and - like any other certified Win8+ system - it has secureboot turned on by default which you can turn off.
And I do not want MS products even for free.
Ok, well if you had just said that upfront we wouldn't even need to discuss it then.
The only real problem I have with Surface is it running Windows
So install Linux on it then, it's commodity hardware that is used by all manner of other laptops and the bootloader isn't locked down or anything like that. The fact that it runs Windows is a good thing for me because many of the programs I use don't run on Linux.
Yes I agree, but that's not what I was rebutting, I also restated it to try and avoid confusion which is that nobody is being "forced" into using Windows just because it is what ships with systems. You seem to be saying the issue is lack of viable alternatives, perhaps that's true.
The only real problem I have with the Surface Pro is the small screensize (though that seems to be mostly resolved with the 3), so instead I found myself using my MBP more if I needed a laptop for lengthy amounts of time. Definitely prefer web browsing with a touchscreen and you can just use it as a tablet when doing that stuff and aren't stuck with the laptop formfactor.
I'm sure people will find use cases where the Surface isn't ideal and pretend that this makes entirely useless for everybody but I do think it is a great device. If you don't need Windows and/or don't like touchscreen or stylus input then you probably would be served better by something else.
Now if only they could make the OS worth buying rather than forcing it on people that buy non-OSX prebuilt systems.
You do realize desktop Linux distros have been unbelievably easy to install (or even run from a Live CD) for the last decade or so don't you? Nobody has been "forced" into using Windows just because it happened to ship as the default for a very long time.
Personally, I don't care about it. The only issue I have with it is that in the past, Apple fans have criticized my Android phone for having a protruding camera lens. Now when the iPhone has the same, suddenly it doesn't matter to them?
Don't worry about the Apple fans (which are generally not representative of the majority of Apple device users), they will parrot whatever Apple says and then attempt to find ways to rationalize every single thing Apple does.
They parroted that 3.5" was the perfect screen size, then 4" and now they've been abandoned for phablets and the fans will praise it. They parroted that 7" tablets were pointless as they were too small, then came the iPad Mini. The iPhone 4 didn't have antenna problems because Apple fans spewed anecdotal evidence to the contrary. They'll pretend they can't tell the difference between a Galaxy and an iPhone on one hand then tell you all about the superiority of the iPhone's design and build quality on the other. Now they'll tell you Apple cocked up its marketing shot and the whole thing was an accident related to a problem with the perspective of the shot they took.
Yes they exist (many of them on this website) but don't worry about them, they aren't the majority and they will justify it to themselves however they need to, regardless of reality you won't convince them otherwise so it's pointless to try.
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Making something both thin and rigid is disproportionately hard, no matter what material you make it out of.
Add "flat" to that list, if it has a curve to it that adds strength. The HTC one would be far more prone to bending if it didn't have a curved back.
The PRIMARY reason to use a BlackBerry device is because I don't want the NSA or 4chan all up in my business.
Well the NSA most certainly can be "all up in your business" if you use a BlackBerry so perhaps it's time to switch to something else. As for 4chan, well just don't use "cloud services" for hosting stuff you don't want to be public.
It appears to only have happened to iPhone 6 Plus phones. So there's still the choice of iPhone 6, 5S and 5C if you want to avoid the problem. The 6 Plus was probably not the best choice for anyone who keeps their phone in their jeans pocket. Better for cargo pants or a a purse.
Well given that the 5S exhibits this issue - though it's much less widespread - while being thicker and with a smaller face it would seem the thinner, larger iPhone 6 is going to have this issue to even more of a degree. Yes you could choose the 5C, but that's using 2 year old hardware so you're likely to get about another year of it being usable before updates make it dog slow like they have with the 4S.
Otherwise Maemo's default shell was Busybox.
Busybox isn't a shell. The default shell included in busybox is almquist shell (or ash) - so assuming Maemo uses the default it is ash, I can't remember - which is a bourne shell clone and I'm not sure whether ash also has this vulnerability.
Samsung phones don't get the same news coverage that Apple phones do. A new iPhone and any surrounding issues make it onto mainstream news sites and chat shows.
Of course, but there are a couple of other the points you're missing.
-If an Android manufacturer has this issue with a model of their phone then users can just choose a different Android manufacturer or model.
-For the latest model iOS smartphone users have the choice of only whatever the latest iPhone is, so if it has an issue then it's an issue for all iOS smartphone users.
-The iPhone has historically been the most common smartphone so an issue with the most common device affects more people than an issue with a less common one.
-As you point out, plastic will flex but will also bend back and aluminium phones like the HTC one require a lot more force to bend due to the curved back.
-Apple is one of the biggest and richest companies in the world so when they screw up of course it's going to be big news.
Having said all this I have a 6+ and I know I'm going to have to be a lot more wary of this.
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Neat. Does it sync back with Google's 'cloud' when it's back online, though?
In your sync settings you can choose what you want to sync and what you don't.
At a guess I'd say he's referring to the iPhone 5C which is still on sale and is essentially the technology of the iPhone 5. Which I can only see as a glowing endorsement for the efficiency of iOS in how it manages to still run so smoothly even on older hardware.
As opposed to Android sold at Zero cost to Manufactures of Phones
That's a pretty naive view, sure you could get it at no cost when it is released as open source after the first handsets have shipped but for the ability to be competitive it is pretty much essential to be a paying member of the Open Handset Alliance which HTC, Sony, LG, Motorola, Samsung, Huawei, Asus, ZTE and many others are.
Can we get this in perspective please?
How many phones does Samsung and Google sell every time there is a new Android phone?
Well it's hard to look at all the numbers together but if we take Samsung's S5 and Note 3 which would be somewhat equivalent to the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus. The S5 was at 10 million in its first 25 days and the Note 3 got 5 million sales in its first month so they don't seem to be that far behind and given that Samsung - while the most popular - is far from the only Android handset maker, comparing iOS to Android sales of new devices it would seem Android would probably win out.
The challenge is, how do you sell a product to a demographic that is immune to traditional interruption marketing, sees sales as an evil profession, is more likely influenced by their online affinity circle than specifications documents, and brands corporations as evil?
Well clearly that doesn't work here, people are always called out for that and if not their point is rebutted. The problem is most of the time they are called out on it - like in this instance - is just because the person calling them out doesn't agree with their subjective opinion. There is no rebuttal, just an accusation because he/she cannot come up with a valid rebuttal.
Saying "Anyone who disagrees with me is a paid shill" is no different than "Either you accept the entirety of the progressive/liberal beliefs or you are a ignorant, racist, homophobic, xenophobic hayseed clinging to guns and religion evil rethugnikan" - A clear sign of an immature, deluded person who thinks with their emotions rather than their brain.
Correct, that's why I called this guy out on it.
I think it's software more than drivers, but that's an issue to take up with software vendors. Desktop Linux is technically a great operating system, even Windows Phone, webOS and Meego are technically a great operating systems but ultimately they all fail as operating systems from the point of view of being able to run applications and that's the primary job of an operating system, that's all anybody cares about.
Ok but hang on, that is not a "known fact" in this instance at all. While you might say this is commonplace because PR people suggest it that doesn't appear to be the case here, in this case it clearly is "if somebody has a different opinion on a subjective matter to me i'll brand them a paid shill", apparently "Surface and Windows desktop suck" and anybody who doesn't agree with that is a paid shill, that's just braindead idiocy.
There is absolutely no evidence of editing whatsoever.
Of course, the shots on Apple's product marketing aren't photographs, they are renderings that simply do not have the camera bulge included.
It is a known fact Microsoft pays recent graduates to troll forums - and it ir rather obvious here.
Can you point me to the factual basis? I have heard that quite a lot but it's always been from people who use that as a rebuttal rather than making a real argument.
I'm sure many people can manage without Windows when they're just doing basic computing tasks like email, browsing and documents, but in that situation iPads are much more the device of choice than Linux PCs and everybody needing CAD, CAM, CAE. photo/audio/video editing, simulation & analysis, etc ... will continue to use Windows or OS X.
Buying a surface pro is a non-sequitur. For that kind of money I am FAR better of with a MacBook Pro machine.
That all depends what your use case is, obviously you don't need a touch screen or active stylus input. Saying your better off with an MBP than a Surface when you don't need the features of the Surface is as redundant as saying you are better off with a boat than a car because you need to travel across water.
Oh get over yourself, nobody is "shilling". The reality is that nobody cares about an OS, it exists purely to run applications so even if you have the technically best and technically most advanced operating system ever created it is utterly useless unless it can run the programs that people need to run to accomplish the tasks that they need the computer for. Windows - and in large part OS X - accomplish this on the desktop for the vast majority of people, Linux accomplishes this largely on servers and smartphones. Windows fails at this on smartphones and Linux fails at it on desktops.
Nobody is saying Windows is a superior operating system to OS X or Linux from a technical perspective - in fact I don't think you'll find an overall winner in any category - but from the perspective of being a desktop operating system, by and large it is. Just as Android and iOS are on smartphones and Linux is on servers.
Of course they do and if they work they'll not bother to change it. They could quite easily change if there were a reason to but there isn't so they won't.
So what's the problem?
You better know what you are talking about. People are jailbreaking them for some reason
You could always google it. They are jailbreaking the non-Pro Surface models, we are talking about the Surface Pro, which is not ARM and - like any other certified Win8+ system - it has secureboot turned on by default which you can turn off.
And I do not want MS products even for free.
Ok, well if you had just said that upfront we wouldn't even need to discuss it then.
The only real problem I have with Surface is it running Windows
So install Linux on it then, it's commodity hardware that is used by all manner of other laptops and the bootloader isn't locked down or anything like that. The fact that it runs Windows is a good thing for me because many of the programs I use don't run on Linux.
And yet it doesn't stop them from charging you for it.
So people use it simply because they paid for it?
Yes I agree, but that's not what I was rebutting, I also restated it to try and avoid confusion which is that nobody is being "forced" into using Windows just because it is what ships with systems. You seem to be saying the issue is lack of viable alternatives, perhaps that's true.
The only real problem I have with the Surface Pro is the small screensize (though that seems to be mostly resolved with the 3), so instead I found myself using my MBP more if I needed a laptop for lengthy amounts of time. Definitely prefer web browsing with a touchscreen and you can just use it as a tablet when doing that stuff and aren't stuck with the laptop formfactor.
I'm sure people will find use cases where the Surface isn't ideal and pretend that this makes entirely useless for everybody but I do think it is a great device. If you don't need Windows and/or don't like touchscreen or stylus input then you probably would be served better by something else.
Now if only they could make the OS worth buying rather than forcing it on people that buy non-OSX prebuilt systems.
You do realize desktop Linux distros have been unbelievably easy to install (or even run from a Live CD) for the last decade or so don't you? Nobody has been "forced" into using Windows just because it happened to ship as the default for a very long time.
Personally, I don't care about it. The only issue I have with it is that in the past, Apple fans have criticized my Android phone for having a protruding camera lens. Now when the iPhone has the same, suddenly it doesn't matter to them?
Don't worry about the Apple fans (which are generally not representative of the majority of Apple device users), they will parrot whatever Apple says and then attempt to find ways to rationalize every single thing Apple does.
They parroted that 3.5" was the perfect screen size, then 4" and now they've been abandoned for phablets and the fans will praise it. They parroted that 7" tablets were pointless as they were too small, then came the iPad Mini. The iPhone 4 didn't have antenna problems because Apple fans spewed anecdotal evidence to the contrary. They'll pretend they can't tell the difference between a Galaxy and an iPhone on one hand then tell you all about the superiority of the iPhone's design and build quality on the other. Now they'll tell you Apple cocked up its marketing shot and the whole thing was an accident related to a problem with the perspective of the shot they took.
Yes they exist (many of them on this website) but don't worry about them, they aren't the majority and they will justify it to themselves however they need to, regardless of reality you won't convince them otherwise so it's pointless to try.