One is reminded of the perpetual debate in security: Whether to post an exploit to a group, in order for the vendor to have incentive to patch it, or wait and hope the vendor listens to you. There are excellent arguments on both sides.
No there aren't. There is no reasonable argument for not bringing the exploit to the vendor's attention first. There is meaningful debate over the question of what to do if the vendor chooses to ignore you or bully you, but I really don't see a good argument for alerting the world before alerting the vendor.
I did not state that at all, or even make an inference to that notion. I stated a fact from the IRS website.
But you chose that particular fact over however many other facts are there to make a particular point. I was simply following the logical implications of that point to an extreme. Hyperbole, yes, but there is a point to it; your argument that citizenship and civic responsibility is some kind of gift given by the rich to the poor is the most vicious kind of elitism. Most of the people you claim are "getting a free ride" are working at slave wages for corporations run by millionaires who wouldn't be as rich as they are without that labor. You characterize the public sector as a gift to the poor from the wealthy, but things like roads and public housing and schools and police and so forth are physically built and staffed by the poor and middle classes. Providing the capital is a very important part of this process, but it isn't the only part, and it's insulting to state that participation in the process by the wealthy is some kind of gift.
Anyway I'm not defending the notion you're criticizing, that the poor should look to the space program with awe, which I think is silly. I'm defending more fundamentally the notion of democracy that I thought your statement attacked. I'm not arguing for wealth redistribution or socialism either. I think if you read the basic capitalist economists like Adam Smith you'll find that they understood the role of the state in the free market as something far more profound than a gift from the rich to the poor.
I totally agree about the design aesthetic matching on the hardware and software. I do wish they would bring back the purse design laptop though, or make something new like it. The clamshell enclosure was great -- spacious; my fingers always feel cramped on notebook keyboards, but not that one. More importantly, it was rugged as hell. I've seen them dropped with no harm done; try that with a tibook. The new 12" Tibook is better in terms of being rugged but doesn't have that space. And I know everyone laughed at the purse thing but that handle was damn convenient for carrying your machine across the room! I would love to see a new clamshell enclosure from apple with a G4 or G5 in it. It doesn't have to be fruity looking; surely their designers can create an elegant but toned down design that retains the functionality of the clamshell....
I wasted so many hours playing that game back in the day. Anyone know of a 68k emulator for OSX that will let me install System 6 and Crystal Quest so I can relive my glory days?
Tabbed browsing is a linux innovation? Now I know you're a troll. Either that or you have no idea what you're talking about. KDE and office suites are not linux, nor is a freakin browser.
Most Linux contributions come from anonymous hackers stealing ideas, infringing on patents, and just all around copying what's out there
Can you name a couple of such contributions? This sounds like what SCO is claiming. Anonymous hackers stealing ideas? Most linux-related code I've looked at clearly indicates the author in the copyright information, and mailing lists can be looked at to glean further information about who contributed specific things to the kernel. And if by "copying what's out there" you mean "devising a new way to implement a procedure seen in action elsewhere," well, sure, but it's the "devising a new way" part that is original.
The word "exploit" is in the c|net article. And the article makes it clear the hackers are using the threat of increased piracy as leverage over MS. Whether or not people think this really constitutes extortion, I think it will be easy for MS to spin it that way.
Well, it is still extortion, or it would be if the hackers actually had anything to threaten MS with, and it is probably illegal. I'm not so sure a court would care about the difference though; if you buy sugar thinking it's cocaine, you're going to jail. If you try to threaten someone with a "hack attack" -- which is how MS will spin this even though it's bullshit -- it really won't matter whether you're capable of doing any damage. Whether or not this lands the hackers in prison, I am fairly sure MS will sue them into oblivion. If they can convince people the hackers are threatening terrorism, they're dead.
Stuff like this just hurts open source and hackers and hobbyists in general. Threatening to release an exploit -- to most people who aren't internet enthusiasts, this sounds really really bad, and it's not a far cry from their understanding of terrorism. Why don't these people just release the exploit, don't call it a freaking exploit, and don't threaten billionaires to pissing matches.
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No there aren't. There is no reasonable argument for not bringing the exploit to the vendor's attention first. There is meaningful debate over the question of what to do if the vendor chooses to ignore you or bully you, but I really don't see a good argument for alerting the world before alerting the vendor.
It also grabs the attention of a lot more people who are in a position to patch web servers than the BBC.
Apple saves 3 lbs in the design by getting rid of the extra mouse button.
They're just sharing the article with people so they can sample it, see if this article makes them curious enough to buy the whole paper.
Yeaah, man, the G3 is a beleaguered platform!
But you chose that particular fact over however many other facts are there to make a particular point. I was simply following the logical implications of that point to an extreme. Hyperbole, yes, but there is a point to it; your argument that citizenship and civic responsibility is some kind of gift given by the rich to the poor is the most vicious kind of elitism. Most of the people you claim are "getting a free ride" are working at slave wages for corporations run by millionaires who wouldn't be as rich as they are without that labor. You characterize the public sector as a gift to the poor from the wealthy, but things like roads and public housing and schools and police and so forth are physically built and staffed by the poor and middle classes. Providing the capital is a very important part of this process, but it isn't the only part, and it's insulting to state that participation in the process by the wealthy is some kind of gift.
Anyway I'm not defending the notion you're criticizing, that the poor should look to the space program with awe, which I think is silly. I'm defending more fundamentally the notion of democracy that I thought your statement attacked. I'm not arguing for wealth redistribution or socialism either. I think if you read the basic capitalist economists like Adam Smith you'll find that they understood the role of the state in the free market as something far more profound than a gift from the rich to the poor.
Dangerous, perhaps, but the panther is a fucking CAT. That poor steer's entrails would be all over the ground before he knew what hit him.
I totally agree about the design aesthetic matching on the hardware and software. I do wish they would bring back the purse design laptop though, or make something new like it. The clamshell enclosure was great -- spacious; my fingers always feel cramped on notebook keyboards, but not that one. More importantly, it was rugged as hell. I've seen them dropped with no harm done; try that with a tibook. The new 12" Tibook is better in terms of being rugged but doesn't have that space. And I know everyone laughed at the purse thing but that handle was damn convenient for carrying your machine across the room! I would love to see a new clamshell enclosure from apple with a G4 or G5 in it. It doesn't have to be fruity looking; surely their designers can create an elegant but toned down design that retains the functionality of the clamshell....
So are you saying the country should belong only to the people who pay for it?
Certainly C&G doesn't.
I wasted so many hours playing that game back in the day. Anyone know of a 68k emulator for OSX that will let me install System 6 and Crystal Quest so I can relive my glory days?
They discovered Viagra on Mars??
Anybody hack this to work with Camino on OS X?
Thanks, "Windows." That was a really "useful" error "message."
Tabbed browsing is a linux innovation? Now I know you're a troll. Either that or you have no idea what you're talking about. KDE and office suites are not linux, nor is a freakin browser.
Yeah; just count the number of posts to usenet if you want a meaningful figure.
Well, according to at least one scientist, it is.
I'm still waiting for the paperclipless Office.
But there will be cool gadgets, like flying thermometers.
Can you name a couple of such contributions? This sounds like what SCO is claiming. Anonymous hackers stealing ideas? Most linux-related code I've looked at clearly indicates the author in the copyright information, and mailing lists can be looked at to glean further information about who contributed specific things to the kernel. And if by "copying what's out there" you mean "devising a new way to implement a procedure seen in action elsewhere," well, sure, but it's the "devising a new way" part that is original.
At the very least we can beleaguer them, no?
The word "exploit" is in the c|net article. And the article makes it clear the hackers are using the threat of increased piracy as leverage over MS. Whether or not people think this really constitutes extortion, I think it will be easy for MS to spin it that way.
It's used in the c|net article.
Well, it is still extortion, or it would be if the hackers actually had anything to threaten MS with, and it is probably illegal. I'm not so sure a court would care about the difference though; if you buy sugar thinking it's cocaine, you're going to jail. If you try to threaten someone with a "hack attack" -- which is how MS will spin this even though it's bullshit -- it really won't matter whether you're capable of doing any damage. Whether or not this lands the hackers in prison, I am fairly sure MS will sue them into oblivion. If they can convince people the hackers are threatening terrorism, they're dead.
Stuff like this just hurts open source and hackers and hobbyists in general. Threatening to release an exploit -- to most people who aren't internet enthusiasts, this sounds really really bad, and it's not a far cry from their understanding of terrorism. Why don't these people just release the exploit, don't call it a freaking exploit, and don't threaten billionaires to pissing matches.