The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution grants equal protection under the law to all Persons born or Naturalized in the United States. Including the Right to petition one's government.
Under the law, a Corporation is a legal Person./IANAL
Now kindly get off my lawn./I've been saying that Sun supports Open Source more than other companies for years. It's nice to finally see someone with some authority at Sun (even if only as of late) say so here on slashdot.
My problem with the whole GNU/Linux thing is that in order for the GNU prefix to have any significant meaning, you'd have to already know a little bit about Linux, GNU, and the Free Software Foundation to begin with. Sticking the letters GNU on it doesn't convey any specific meaning to the average person. His rant about GNU/Linux name is a non sequitur.
Ask mom or pop on the street what the GNU means and they're either going to associate it with an animal, or not have a clue what you're talking about.
If you're going to add a prefix to Linux, why not use FSF? The words Free Software Foundation would mean more to people than GNU. It even tells you a little bit about the "meaning" inside the word itself. G.N.U. (GNU's Not Unix) doesn't mean anything more than L.I.N.U.X. (Linux Is Not UniX) does.
If we're going to pretend that adding letters makes the name have more meaning, then I say we call it "Free Software Foundation + Linux Kernel" or something equally unwieldly. That way it actually would seem like its alleged intent to remind people about the Free Software Foundation was being carried out instead of just seeming like Stallman is whining because everyone is forgetting about what a great guy he is. (Kinda' reminding me of the girl on the playground constantly saying, "Yea, but I started it. It was my idea." when everyone else copies her new cool hairstyle or whatever and nobody remembers how cool she was for thinking it up to start with.)
Also, I just want an OS that works. I don't want to get involved in someone elses Jihad. (Solaris 10 baby!)
As a geek girl myself, I have to disagree with you. I think there are entirely too many factors to consider when making this kind of statement. A lot of the situation depends on where you live and what kind of environment you work in.
I live and work in Phoenix Arizona USA and I work in an organization with thousands of geeks from both ends of the spectrum. Hardcore nerds who write obscure code all day, to technical project managers who do mostly paperwork, fill out request forms, and assign projects to sysadmins.
I work with, and talk to lots of nerdy/geeky guys and gals who seem able to differentiate between friendly chat and an interest in having a relationship. From what I've found here, there are plenty of nerdy guys around here who are capable of communicating in an effective manner, and are perfectly acceptable mates for nerdy women.
There are lots of excessively flirty guys for sure, but most of them can take a subtle hint that you're not interested. They're socially stunted sometimes, not mentally retarded.
Also, lets not forget that many nerdy women are the same way. I find it excessively difficult to relate to and talk with other women who aren't technical. I don't really have much in common with them. I find making small talk to be quite tedious when some non-technical co-worker wants to blather on about her -precious- toddler, and all I'm thinking about is the lan party tonight where I'm going to frag the crap outta' the guys in BF2.
Lots of that social akwardness starts to fade away as we get older though. I'd say by the time most geeks hit 28-29, they're getting a better handle on life and have more experience with social situations. Just my observation though.
Hmm. But we did in fact GET Java, right? It's a real product? It's not vaporware?
Solaris worthless? You've got to be joking. Have you ever USED Solaris in an enterprise capacity? On a machine with > 8 CPU's? I'm guessing not. I like Linux as much as the next nerd, but Solaris just runs circles around it in the enterprise.
Linux does a decent job of trying to be a better Solaris but since Linux developers are trying so desperately to make it more LIKE Solaris, why not just use Solaris? I'm sure Linux could catch up someday, but it seems to me that Sun has caught on and has enough lead to remain one step ahead for some time to come.
It amazes me how much value some people put on stuff that really has no bearing whatsoever on how good an OS/application/tool is for the job at hand.
Really? What did they promise and then come up with excuses on? Do you have facts to back up your statement? Or are you just parroting?
Having been an employee of Sun (I'm not anymore), I know that they are working intensely to get the code out, it's not bullshit. There have been internal training sessions on the subject, and in those sessions issues of getting it done in a certain timeframe were discussed. It's not all coming out at once, you won't be able to compile it and run it. There will be major holes due to legal constraints, but the primary parts will be opened.
I can think of numerous times when products were announced and ship dates slipped, but the products always came out eventually and far better for having been delayed. I honestly can't think of any major release announcement such as this that just disappeared. So if you can name one, please, by all means do so or STFU.
That's exactly what I use for my Toshiba laptop. It's a p4 2.3ghz and runs so hot that it'll occasionally spontaneously power off.
When I'm at home with it on my lap, I set the laptop on a plastic tray that I "borrowed" from the cafeteria with the coolpad under it. Keeps me from burning the hell out of my legs, and keeps the computer from powering down spontaneously.
One time I called Redhat for tech support in getting a RH to run on a laptop. I was told, "LCD's don't have scan rates and frequency settings like CRT's do."
I almost went through the phone to choke the bastard.
Look, everyone is worried about the security flaws of electronic voting machines. But let me ask you something, wtf do you think they use to count the punch-card ballots?
Do you think they've got a room full of sweatshop workers chained to desks counting them by hand? No. They count them with a punch card reader. Okay, so I've never used one (I'm not _that_ old), but I really doubt that they're impossible to compromise.
Why worry about the new systems and not worry about the old ones? I find this whole panic about the voting machines to be a little dramatic. The fact is that fraud is going to happen, it's already happening, and it's likely happened since the concept of a popular election even came about. There's no point in getting worried about security _now_ is there? That ship has already sunk...look who's in the White House today.;-)
But you don't understand. Women are not about efficiency.:-) Shopping is an experience that cannot and should not be "computerized".
Now, if they had some sort of system where I could say, "Find me one just like this but in size 12." THAT would be nice. Greppable clothing racks would be neat, perhaps there's a non-evil use for RFID after all?
Exactly. There is no way in hell that I'll ever trust a computer simulation or robot to tell me how clothes are either going to look on me or how they're going to fit.
I can pick out something that'll coordinate and look great on a manequin, but it'll look like crap on me. I don't care if the manequin is my identical twin, it's still not the same.
Years ago I was given a free program at a women's expo...something virtual makeover whatever. I could scan a photo of myself, and try all sorts of makeup on the photo. I played with it for about 15 minutes before I decided that there's no way they could simulate what the makeup was going to look like on MY skin, and un-installed the program.
I'm pretty confident the dummy/model/whatever would turn out the same way. Interesting to try once or twice, but I'd never rely on it or use it for any "serious" clothing/accessory purchase.
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I know exactly what you mean. When I was a kid I liked playing with Lego bricks, and when the "formed" legos came out in the shapes of trees and people and such (pre mindstorms), I never could get into playing with them. They weren't something I "made" myself. It seemed like cheating...or something. Like they didn't belong.
Of course, I was a crazy kid. I made lego furniture and houses for my dolls instead of asking for the pre-made ones. One time, I built a motorized car for Barbi out of my brothers metal erector set. (anyone remember _those_ ?):-)
Is that I am more of a tech nerd than 95% of the guys I know, and every time I walk into a computer store, jiffy lube, or hardware store, the people there treat me like a slobbering 2 year old.
I swear this conversation happened about 3 weeks ago:
[sales rep-tile] "Can I help you?" [me] "Nah, I'm just looking for a network card." [sales rep-tile] "This is a good one, and we can put it in for you." [me] "Oh, I'll just put it in myself." [sales rep-tile] "Now sweetheart that's very complicated, are you sure you should try that?"
Sometimes it's difficult to refrain from telling them to kiss my ass.
No kidding. A "review" written by a person who has no clue about the hardware or software he's reviewing.
He tried to install Gentoo and *bsd on it. If I were reviewing a Chevy and wanted to put a Honda engine in it for my review, then bitched because it wouldn't work, wouldn't I look like some sort of moron?
Solaris is an excellent operating system in terms of stability, reliability, and professional support, but you'll find it quite difficult to set up and maintain it on your own and it can be difficult to find much software for it.
What the hell is that supposed to mean? I can find a ton of software for Solaris, and I personally find it easy as pie to set up. (Of course I've been working with Solaris for about 8 years now.) Installing GIMP? WTF?
Solaris is not anything like GNU/Linux or even the *BSDs
Yea no kidding pal, thanks for the big revelation. Solaris/SunOS has been around longer and they aren't the same operating system.
there is no large, friendly, easily accessible community like there is for the Free Unix projects.
Have you lost your freakin' mind? How about sunfreeware.com? comp.os.solaris? #solaris on ANY of the IRC networks? Not to mention the fact that a great many of the people who hang out in the "free unix projects" community are also Solaris nerds.
Solaris in its current form can never be Free Software or even open-source because of all of the proprietary code that it contains.
No shit Dick Tracy. This just makes me want to smack him. Is this a review of Sun's Solaris license? Or is this supposed to be a rewview of a piece of hardware?
you can't use Solaris 8 in the design, construction, operation or maintenance of a nuclear facility (so if you can't use a top-tier OS like Solaris, what DO nuclear designers, engineers and sysadmins use to run their computers? Windows 95?).
Really? Interesting that GE Power Systems uses it. (They design nuclear stuff all the time.) NASA uses it to launch rockets, and hey, Java is helping run the Mars rover Spirit.
What this clause means is that a nuclear power facility is supposed to go through special channels to get software and operating systems certified for use in their facility. The version of Solaris you have is not certified for such use. (Yes, there are different versions for different applications.)
Measuring performance was a very difficult task because of the amount of reading, research, and configuration that had to go into Solaris 8 to get it to compile benchmark programs.
Which should be read as, "I didn't know what the hell I was doing and have no idea how to review a piece of hardware so I didn't really do anything other than try to customize my desktop and then install Linux and *bsd on it."
This is no desktop system. It may look like one, it may in some ways act like one, but make no mistake: this is a workhorse, not a pony or a racehorse.
Well, you're partly right. When you compare it with like systems, it keeps perfect pace with the pack and I'm sure outperforms many of them. But it is a workhorse. Not to be compared with Apples and Intel systems. Sun hardware and the Solaris OS are not designed to be pretty, they're designed to be bulletproof. They might not get you there the fastest, and they may not be pretty, but you'll get where you need to go quickly, efficiently, and SAFELY.
I think he should have just typed, "Well, it isn't my Linux desktop, so, you know, it sucks."
May I remind you that Sun Microsystems doesn't use a single Microsoft product internally if it can be avoided. In fact, at one point it was a termination offense to be caught using a MS product or connecting a Windows machine to the network.
(There are a few laptops floating around that have Windows on them, but they also have Linux or Solaris x86 installed as well.)
Ever used a Sun system? There are a zillion reasons to start your hardware first.
OBP/OpenFirmware is an extremely powerful tool for diagnostics/troubleshooting, special configurations, hardware fault handling, security, etc.
Just as one example, the system can be told to stop at the OpenFirmware prompt and you can instruct it where to boot from. (cdrom, net, disk[1-?], etc, etc) It pretty much eliminates the need for boot loaders.
And yes, it works with Linux. (Ask anyone who's ever ran Linux on SPARC.)
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Good luck Rob. Don't be a stranger. :)
The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution grants equal protection under the law to all Persons born or Naturalized in the United States. Including the Right to petition one's government.
Under the law, a Corporation is a legal Person. /IANAL
Now kindly get off my lawn. /I've been saying that Sun supports Open Source more than other companies for years. It's nice to finally see someone with some authority at Sun (even if only as of late) say so here on slashdot.
My problem with the whole GNU/Linux thing is that in order for the GNU prefix to have any significant meaning, you'd have to already know a little bit about Linux, GNU, and the Free Software Foundation to begin with. Sticking the letters GNU on it doesn't convey any specific meaning to the average person. His rant about GNU/Linux name is a non sequitur.
Ask mom or pop on the street what the GNU means and they're either going to associate it with an animal, or not have a clue what you're talking about.
If you're going to add a prefix to Linux, why not use FSF? The words Free Software Foundation would mean more to people than GNU. It even tells you a little bit about the "meaning" inside the word itself. G.N.U. (GNU's Not Unix) doesn't mean anything more than L.I.N.U.X. (Linux Is Not UniX) does.
If we're going to pretend that adding letters makes the name have more meaning, then I say we call it "Free Software Foundation + Linux Kernel" or something equally unwieldly. That way it actually would seem like its alleged intent to remind people about the Free Software Foundation was being carried out instead of just seeming like Stallman is whining because everyone is forgetting about what a great guy he is. (Kinda' reminding me of the girl on the playground constantly saying, "Yea, but I started it. It was my idea." when everyone else copies her new cool hairstyle or whatever and nobody remembers how cool she was for thinking it up to start with.)
Also, I just want an OS that works. I don't want to get involved in someone elses Jihad. (Solaris 10 baby!)
-k
As a geek girl myself, I have to disagree with you. I think there are entirely too many factors to consider when making this kind of statement. A lot of the situation depends on where you live and what kind of environment you work in.
I live and work in Phoenix Arizona USA and I work in an organization with thousands of geeks from both ends of the spectrum. Hardcore nerds who write obscure code all day, to technical project managers who do mostly paperwork, fill out request forms, and assign projects to sysadmins.
I work with, and talk to lots of nerdy/geeky guys and gals who seem able to differentiate between friendly chat and an interest in having a relationship. From what I've found here, there are plenty of nerdy guys around here who are capable of communicating in an effective manner, and are perfectly acceptable mates for nerdy women.
There are lots of excessively flirty guys for sure, but most of them can take a subtle hint that you're not interested. They're socially stunted sometimes, not mentally retarded.
Also, lets not forget that many nerdy women are the same way. I find it excessively difficult to relate to and talk with other women who aren't technical. I don't really have much in common with them. I find making small talk to be quite tedious when some non-technical co-worker wants to blather on about her -precious- toddler, and all I'm thinking about is the lan party tonight where I'm going to frag the crap outta' the guys in BF2.
Lots of that social akwardness starts to fade away as we get older though. I'd say by the time most geeks hit 28-29, they're getting a better handle on life and have more experience with social situations. Just my observation though.
~k
Hmm. But we did in fact GET Java, right? It's a real product? It's not vaporware?
Solaris worthless? You've got to be joking. Have you ever USED Solaris in an enterprise capacity? On a machine with > 8 CPU's? I'm guessing not. I like Linux as much as the next nerd, but Solaris just runs circles around it in the enterprise.
Linux does a decent job of trying to be a better Solaris but since Linux developers are trying so desperately to make it more LIKE Solaris, why not just use Solaris? I'm sure Linux could catch up someday, but it seems to me that Sun has caught on and has enough lead to remain one step ahead for some time to come.
It amazes me how much value some people put on stuff that really has no bearing whatsoever on how good an OS/application/tool is for the job at hand.
-kReally? What did they promise and then come up with excuses on? Do you have facts to back up your statement? Or are you just parroting?
Having been an employee of Sun (I'm not anymore), I know that they are working intensely to get the code out, it's not bullshit. There have been internal training sessions on the subject, and in those sessions issues of getting it done in a certain timeframe were discussed. It's not all coming out at once, you won't be able to compile it and run it. There will be major holes due to legal constraints, but the primary parts will be opened.
I can think of numerous times when products were announced and ship dates slipped, but the products always came out eventually and far better for having been delayed. I honestly can't think of any major release announcement such as this that just disappeared. So if you can name one, please, by all means do so or STFU.
-k
That's exactly what I use for my Toshiba laptop. It's a p4 2.3ghz and runs so hot that it'll occasionally spontaneously power off.
When I'm at home with it on my lap, I set the laptop on a plastic tray that I "borrowed" from the cafeteria with the coolpad under it. Keeps me from burning the hell out of my legs, and keeps the computer from powering down spontaneously.
-k
One time I called Redhat for tech support in getting a RH to run on a laptop. I was told, "LCD's don't have scan rates and frequency settings like CRT's do."
I almost went through the phone to choke the bastard.
-k
Look, everyone is worried about the security flaws of electronic voting machines. But let me ask you something, wtf do you think they use to count the punch-card ballots?
;-)
Do you think they've got a room full of sweatshop workers chained to desks counting them by hand? No. They count them with a punch card reader. Okay, so I've never used one (I'm not _that_ old), but I really doubt that they're impossible to compromise.
Why worry about the new systems and not worry about the old ones? I find this whole panic about the voting machines to be a little dramatic. The fact is that fraud is going to happen, it's already happening, and it's likely happened since the concept of a popular election even came about. There's no point in getting worried about security _now_ is there? That ship has already sunk...look who's in the White House today.
I live in Cincinnati. Keep in mind that Jerry Springer was once mayor of this city.
I tell people, "Cincinnati is a nice town, but it's like you died and woke up in Republican heaven."
But you don't understand. Women are not about efficiency. :-) Shopping is an experience that cannot and should not be "computerized".
Now, if they had some sort of system where I could say, "Find me one just like this but in size 12." THAT would be nice. Greppable clothing racks would be neat, perhaps there's a non-evil use for RFID after all?
Exactly. There is no way in hell that I'll ever trust a computer simulation or robot to tell me how clothes are either going to look on me or how they're going to fit.
I can pick out something that'll coordinate and look great on a manequin, but it'll look like crap on me. I don't care if the manequin is my identical twin, it's still not the same.
Years ago I was given a free program at a women's expo...something virtual makeover whatever. I could scan a photo of myself, and try all sorts of makeup on the photo. I played with it for about 15 minutes before I decided that there's no way they could simulate what the makeup was going to look like on MY skin, and un-installed the program.
I'm pretty confident the dummy/model/whatever would turn out the same way. Interesting to try once or twice, but I'd never rely on it or use it for any "serious" clothing/accessory purchase.
I know exactly what you mean. When I was a kid I liked playing with Lego bricks, and when the "formed" legos came out in the shapes of trees and people and such (pre mindstorms), I never could get into playing with them. They weren't something I "made" myself. It seemed like cheating...or something. Like they didn't belong.
:-)
Of course, I was a crazy kid. I made lego furniture and houses for my dolls instead of asking for the pre-made ones. One time, I built a motorized car for Barbi out of my brothers metal erector set. (anyone remember _those_ ?)
I saw spectroscopes and immediately thought speculum. :: shiver ::
:-)
Yea, spectroscopes are cool the other are just cold.
Is that I am more of a tech nerd than 95% of the guys I know, and every time I walk into a computer store, jiffy lube, or hardware store, the people there treat me like a slobbering 2 year old.
I swear this conversation happened about 3 weeks ago:
[sales rep-tile] "Can I help you?"
[me] "Nah, I'm just looking for a network card."
[sales rep-tile] "This is a good one, and we can put it in for you."
[me] "Oh, I'll just put it in myself."
[sales rep-tile] "Now sweetheart that's very complicated, are you sure you should try that?"
Sometimes it's difficult to refrain from telling them to kiss my ass.
No kidding. A "review" written by a person who has no clue about the hardware or software he's reviewing.
He tried to install Gentoo and *bsd on it. If I were reviewing a Chevy and wanted to put a Honda engine in it for my review, then bitched because it wouldn't work, wouldn't I look like some sort of moron?
Solaris is an excellent operating system in terms of stability, reliability, and professional support, but you'll find it quite difficult to set up and maintain it on your own and it can be difficult to find much software for it.
What the hell is that supposed to mean? I can find a ton of software for Solaris, and I personally find it easy as pie to set up. (Of course I've been working with Solaris for about 8 years now.) Installing GIMP? WTF?
Solaris is not anything like GNU/Linux or even the *BSDs
Yea no kidding pal, thanks for the big revelation. Solaris/SunOS has been around longer and they aren't the same operating system.
there is no large, friendly, easily accessible community like there is for the Free Unix projects.
Have you lost your freakin' mind? How about sunfreeware.com? comp.os.solaris? #solaris on ANY of the IRC networks? Not to mention the fact that a great many of the people who hang out in the "free unix projects" community are also Solaris nerds.
Solaris in its current form can never be Free Software or even open-source because of all of the proprietary code that it contains.
No shit Dick Tracy. This just makes me want to smack him. Is this a review of Sun's Solaris license? Or is this supposed to be a rewview of a piece of hardware?
you can't use Solaris 8 in the design, construction, operation or maintenance of a nuclear facility (so if you can't use a top-tier OS like Solaris, what DO nuclear designers, engineers and sysadmins use to run their computers? Windows 95?).
Really? Interesting that GE Power Systems uses it. (They design nuclear stuff all the time.) NASA uses it to launch rockets, and hey, Java is helping run the Mars rover Spirit.
What this clause means is that a nuclear power facility is supposed to go through special channels to get software and operating systems certified for use in their facility. The version of Solaris you have is not certified for such use. (Yes, there are different versions for different applications.)
Measuring performance was a very difficult task because of the amount of reading, research, and configuration that had to go into Solaris 8 to get it to compile benchmark programs.
Which should be read as, "I didn't know what the hell I was doing and have no idea how to review a piece of hardware so I didn't really do anything other than try to customize my desktop and then install Linux and *bsd on it."
This is no desktop system. It may look like one, it may in some ways act like one, but make no mistake: this is a workhorse, not a pony or a racehorse.
Well, you're partly right. When you compare it with like systems, it keeps perfect pace with the pack and I'm sure outperforms many of them. But it is a workhorse. Not to be compared with Apples and Intel systems. Sun hardware and the Solaris OS are not designed to be pretty, they're designed to be bulletproof. They might not get you there the fastest, and they may not be pretty, but you'll get where you need to go quickly, efficiently, and SAFELY.
I think he should have just typed, "Well, it isn't my Linux desktop, so, you know, it sucks."
May I remind you that Sun Microsystems doesn't use a single Microsoft product internally if it can be avoided. In fact, at one point it was a termination offense to be caught using a MS product or connecting a Windows machine to the network.
(There are a few laptops floating around that have Windows on them, but they also have Linux or Solaris x86 installed as well.)
OK, it might not make you switch, but note that this guy admits to using OS X for only 3 years or so, and he's gained quite an understanding of it.
Uhm...yea.
Q. How long has MacOS X been around?
A. About 3 years or so.
You can stuff as much junk in your pockets as you want in a store and they can't bother you until you leave the building.
Technically you've only shoplifted if you leave the premises with the item.
Ever used a Sun system? There are a zillion reasons to start your hardware first.
OBP/OpenFirmware is an extremely powerful tool for diagnostics/troubleshooting, special configurations, hardware fault handling, security, etc.
Just as one example, the system can be told to stop at the OpenFirmware prompt and you can instruct it where to boot from. (cdrom, net, disk[1-?], etc, etc) It pretty much eliminates the need for boot loaders.
And yes, it works with Linux. (Ask anyone who's ever ran Linux on SPARC.)
;-) The vaccuum cleaner? The Orac XL?
::)
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Yea, that's not what he's saying though. Solaris SPARC runs only on SPARC, Solaris x86 runs on x86.
The article says that Solaris SPARC runs on x86, it's a contradiction.
Next up:
:-)
o SCO contributes to the Linux kernel
They already did, now they're trying to take it back.
I have a photo of myself with Santa Clause too. Does that mean he really does exist?