Never mind how the right is going nuts on bringing social issues back to the 50's. Outlawing abortion, removing what remains of the separation of church and state, running up the debt (while at the same time claiming to be the party of fiscal conservatism), oh and looking at the military as their own personal game of Risk.
Yeah, calling the two sides of our polarized country even is totally Fair and Balanced!
You use the word fear but is that always true? You need to learn understand that yes there might be a fear factor involved at times but there are other things at work.
What you were waiting for a call? What if you were about to do something with your phone? What if you are about to get up and leave?
Further it can easily be more a matter of trust. Do I trust strangers to hold $500 of my cash, hell no. Do you? If you say yes then I'm going to have to call you naive because sure you may get away with some percentage of the time but I'm going to just guess that percentage is not very high.
I think it is sad that you think that everyone walks around in fear of things. Think a bit more about what you said and maybe you might find that you are projecting.
Strange as in real questions that seek to gain actual knowledge you mean. When you are talking to your management peers it helps to know exactly what you are talking about or you run the risk of someone else at the table one upping you in front of everyone and the boss(s).
While you are correct, and I say that having had an n810 that I did this plenty for, it is not exactly something that end users are about to do. Both due to their own technical limitations and or just because it will be too much of a bother.
Also then you run into the issue that if you have the movie on your device and then you want to plug that into a real 1080p display having that video at a high resolution is nice.
I view the lack of including card readers on any device as a way to try and sell higher memory models at a higher margin. I've yet to see a good argument otherwise.
I'd argue, much like the smartphone market, that the Android tables will continue to come on strong and eventually overtake Apple's lead in the tablet market.
It remains to be seen what MS will do but to not include Android in the mix is rather silly.
Moving the goalposts? Classic. Let met quote why I called you ignorant.
Right, because PC makers get together once a month and decide how much business to give Intel and how much to give AMD.
There is a discussion to be had about keeping AMD alive because it will not allow Intel to be seen as a monopoly, but you were talking about OEMs. Again you fail.
Are you that ignorant? You don't know that Intel had to settle with AMD due to Intel forcing their Netburst chips, which vs the AMD chips at the time were not as good, on OEMs?
What I got from the, rather extensive thread, was that Forced Ranking has the potential to be a good tool for weeding out people that might have gotten/are lazy in an organization. However if it is constantly used, or badly implemented (which it can very easily be), it overall will create a very bad atmosphere.
All I can ever see when reading articles like these is the tours that I took though Disney's Epcot Center in the 80's. With GE's, GM's, and other industry giants letting there marketing teams loose.
The reality is far from what the marketing hacks are projecting. However that never has stopped a good fantasy...or in this day and age a click bait.
Law tends to lag behind our society. Back when buildings were built with wood and cloth fire was a huge deal. Yelling Fire! was a huge deal.
These days, not so much. But we still have that legal idea that speech can be limited by that factor. It would really take a good Supreme Court to fix that...something I do not see coming any time soon.
Every point you made was about non-wifi network upgrades. So since you clearly missed the point let me get a little more specific. Assume that you are on a fast wifi network and you have access to the last 3 models of the iPhone. I will give you your quote again:
But that is exactly wrong, even if the times are identical - because the newer technology allows you to do MUCH more in those eight hours than you could before. It's not just arguing for new technology because it is new. It's arguing for new technology because it is actually useful to do more in the same amount of time.
To be fair that is the tradeoff that we make by not going with a 'standard' like the iPhone. We have much greater freedom to pick our individual models but to expect that every Android is going to have the same level of accessories that something as standardized as the iPhones are is not going to happen.
But that is exactly wrong, even if the times are identical - because the newer technology allows you to do MUCH more in those eight hours than you could before. It's not just arguing for new technology because it is new. It's arguing for new technology because it is actually useful to do more in the same amount of time.
1. Go to Craigslist and find something that works for around $50. Normally if you look long enough you can find something older that will fit the bill. They might even thrown in a CRT for the monitor too. Keep it cheap such that if it is broken you won't care/can replace it easily.
2. Set it up with likely XP and or if you really want to get crazy dual/boot with some *nix. Keep in mind at 7 they likely are going to be just hitting the web with it so all it really needs to do is be ready to do some flash. (My 7 y/o nephew that has such a setup mostly will play some very simple flash games and or watch videos about Legos, Star Wars, and such.)
3. Set it up in a common area. I'd recommend not letting them get full access to the hardware unless they are supervised. Power supply's can be dangerous as well as other minor things like common computer components/cases having edges that can tear up skin pretty good.
4. See if they take to it. Some kids are going to be more interested in computers than others. Some will just want to fool around with them others might take a deeper interest, adjust how much you want to put into the project as warranted.
The crime that is the government system, not the market, has set up.
The crime is that the special interest groups/lobbyists/etc have captured our government and forced this system into place. Until you understand that, and get that money out of our government, you will continue to suffer from these 'crimes'.
Well I'm not a professional content creator either, however I have dabbled as an amateur in a number of genes and let me just say this: it is hard. Oh you can hack something up but being called a hack when doing something like that has now where near the same connotation that it does in the IT field. (And for those who don't get that, being called a hack when writing or whatever is a bad thing.)
However people are always seeking something new. And that something new does not even have to be that good. In short being a hack often pays. And where there is a way to make money you can be dammed sure that people will do it.
Add some MBAs into the mix who's sole job is to crunch numbers to maximize the profit on that that crappy content and you get something like Ubisoft, or Sony, or hell most content creation companies these days. Note I said content creator companies. Often time the actual content creators are not the 'bad guys' here.
And finally this has had a chain effect in that not only the content creation has been infected with this, we must own everything forever!, mentality but the content distributors. This has been discussed to death here and it will only end when we get some rational laws at the very top of this chain that state that yes, created content is owned by the 'creators' for a time but then after a rational amount of time it goes FULLY into the public domain forever.
I am not going to disagree with your experience and even views on that experience. I've been there done that myself. (In fact what I tell my clients is often Windows on the desktop, *nix on the server.) Why is this so? Windows has been polishing their UI for decades now. There are times when I have a learning curve but overall I've been pleased with using Windows on my desktop from a UI perspective at least.
*nix has not been about that and it shows. One could argue that putting resources towards that at the expense of other things would be bad. I think that the reality is that given the way *nix is implemented with its design/funding/licensing/etc that it is not really possible to do so. Some have tried and have done arguably well at it, Ubuntu, but even there there can be issues. (Much in the same sense that there are issues with Windows. Nothing is ever going to be perfect for everyone.)
However getting back to your point, and I'll forgo this post about Win8 in any regard (IMO it is not a UI that I want on my desktop, period.), that even tech people want just something that work. Yes, I agree. There are going to be those people who are tech savvy who have time to play around with things but by in large they tend to be younger and or much older with the time to do so. When it comes to day to day stuff most tech people want at most the ability to customize something to their liking and then they get it there and do their work.
I know this is/. but at this point and time there is no need to defend the knowledge/usage of Windows. You would have to be living under a rock for the past 20 years to not know about Windows and no serious IT person could make the claim that they don't know how to use it.
I can accept the fact that there might be very serious IT people out there who do not know Windows as well as *nix or even MacOS, but that they would not know and or have used Windows is just silly.
Finally you do need to move away from XP. It has reached its end of life in terms of support and if a 0 day exploit comes around, MS is not obligated to patch it for you. Move to Win7. It is a solid OS and you can even tweak the UI to make it look very close to XP if you need.
My UI evolution: CLI ONLY (and not very user friendly CLI at that) -> Text based menu systems (including the early ASCII dropdown menus and such -> WIMP GUI -> Early mobile devices (non-touchscreen) - > Continued evolution of the WIMP GUI -> Mobile devices w/early touchscreens -> Mobile devices and other devices with modern touchscreens
Mix in there the fact that that is only a rough approximation of the timeline, countless other types of UIs via games and game platforms, and I'm sure some stuff I'm forgetting and I'm damn sure at this point I know what works for me.
Win8's UI is not what I want. No amount of marketing, shilling, or any other crap is going to change my mind. They do not know better than me at this point. Further I can see past the crap and know what they are trying to do; force a UI on people that increases their own pockets to put it bluntly/simply.
Yes, I want a modern good UI on my mobile devices. But no, I do not want and will not accept that type of UI on my desktop/laptop where the WIMP/CLI interface works very well. There may come a day that the WIMP/CLI interface is surpassed by something new. But a smartphone/tablet UI is not it.
...but you are paying for actual hardware specs, not just snob appeal.
You are paying for both. And sometimes only the latter.
Further if you have a true need for that level of display then ok, you are paying for both. But if you do not then you are back to just paying for the latter.
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If you think that there is not a difference between Fox News and MSNBC, then you fail.
Case in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpGd74DrBM&feature=youtu.be
Never mind how the right is going nuts on bringing social issues back to the 50's. Outlawing abortion, removing what remains of the separation of church and state, running up the debt (while at the same time claiming to be the party of fiscal conservatism), oh and looking at the military as their own personal game of Risk.
Yeah, calling the two sides of our polarized country even is totally Fair and Balanced!
Never mind the fact that holding a Nokia device is the equivalent of welding a +5 Unbreakable Object.
You use the word fear but is that always true? You need to learn understand that yes there might be a fear factor involved at times but there are other things at work.
What you were waiting for a call? What if you were about to do something with your phone? What if you are about to get up and leave?
Further it can easily be more a matter of trust. Do I trust strangers to hold $500 of my cash, hell no. Do you? If you say yes then I'm going to have to call you naive because sure you may get away with some percentage of the time but I'm going to just guess that percentage is not very high.
I think it is sad that you think that everyone walks around in fear of things. Think a bit more about what you said and maybe you might find that you are projecting.
Strange as in real questions that seek to gain actual knowledge you mean. When you are talking to your management peers it helps to know exactly what you are talking about or you run the risk of someone else at the table one upping you in front of everyone and the boss(s).
Your own personal bias, and that you got modded up for it too wow, does not however represent the reality of the market.
While you are correct, and I say that having had an n810 that I did this plenty for, it is not exactly something that end users are about to do. Both due to their own technical limitations and or just because it will be too much of a bother.
Also then you run into the issue that if you have the movie on your device and then you want to plug that into a real 1080p display having that video at a high resolution is nice.
I view the lack of including card readers on any device as a way to try and sell higher memory models at a higher margin. I've yet to see a good argument otherwise.
I'd argue, much like the smartphone market, that the Android tables will continue to come on strong and eventually overtake Apple's lead in the tablet market.
It remains to be seen what MS will do but to not include Android in the mix is rather silly.
Moving the goalposts? Classic. Let met quote why I called you ignorant.
Right, because PC makers get together once a month and decide how much business to give Intel and how much to give AMD.
There is a discussion to be had about keeping AMD alive because it will not allow Intel to be seen as a monopoly, but you were talking about OEMs. Again you fail.
Are you that ignorant? You don't know that Intel had to settle with AMD due to Intel forcing their Netburst chips, which vs the AMD chips at the time were not as good, on OEMs?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_v._Intel
Most Intel fanboys are pretty easy to spot but they have the sense not to stay something as stupid as you just said.
We just had the discussion here on /. about Forced Ranking a month or so ago. I'm too lazy to look up that article but I will link this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitality_curve
What I got from the, rather extensive thread, was that Forced Ranking has the potential to be a good tool for weeding out people that might have gotten/are lazy in an organization. However if it is constantly used, or badly implemented (which it can very easily be), it overall will create a very bad atmosphere.
All I can ever see when reading articles like these is the tours that I took though Disney's Epcot Center in the 80's. With GE's, GM's, and other industry giants letting there marketing teams loose.
The reality is far from what the marketing hacks are projecting. However that never has stopped a good fantasy...or in this day and age a click bait.
Law tends to lag behind our society. Back when buildings were built with wood and cloth fire was a huge deal. Yelling Fire! was a huge deal.
These days, not so much. But we still have that legal idea that speech can be limited by that factor. It would really take a good Supreme Court to fix that...something I do not see coming any time soon.
Every point you made was about non-wifi network upgrades. So since you clearly missed the point let me get a little more specific. Assume that you are on a fast wifi network and you have access to the last 3 models of the iPhone. I will give you your quote again:
But that is exactly wrong, even if the times are identical - because the newer technology allows you to do MUCH more in those eight hours than you could before. It's not just arguing for new technology because it is new. It's arguing for new technology because it is actually useful to do more in the same amount of time.
Citation please.
To be fair that is the tradeoff that we make by not going with a 'standard' like the iPhone. We have much greater freedom to pick our individual models but to expect that every Android is going to have the same level of accessories that something as standardized as the iPhones are is not going to happen.
But that is exactly wrong, even if the times are identical - because the newer technology allows you to do MUCH more in those eight hours than you could before. It's not just arguing for new technology because it is new. It's arguing for new technology because it is actually useful to do more in the same amount of time.
Citation please.
Special interests cannot do anything to you until the government steal you individual freedoms...
Wrong.
They have orders of magnitude more resources than me. Do you understand that? Orders or magnitude.
I can not as an individual compete with someone who has a billion dollars to give to my senator. They win.
Let me put it in this terms. We both roll up to a club. I have two hot girls with me. You roll up at the same time and your girls are old and fat.
You slip the doorman 1,000,000. Who do you think he's gonna let in?
I think this should be a pretty easy.
1. Go to Craigslist and find something that works for around $50. Normally if you look long enough you can find something older that will fit the bill. They might even thrown in a CRT for the monitor too. Keep it cheap such that if it is broken you won't care/can replace it easily.
2. Set it up with likely XP and or if you really want to get crazy dual/boot with some *nix. Keep in mind at 7 they likely are going to be just hitting the web with it so all it really needs to do is be ready to do some flash. (My 7 y/o nephew that has such a setup mostly will play some very simple flash games and or watch videos about Legos, Star Wars, and such.)
3. Set it up in a common area. I'd recommend not letting them get full access to the hardware unless they are supervised. Power supply's can be dangerous as well as other minor things like common computer components/cases having edges that can tear up skin pretty good.
4. See if they take to it. Some kids are going to be more interested in computers than others. Some will just want to fool around with them others might take a deeper interest, adjust how much you want to put into the project as warranted.
The crime that is the government system, not the market, has set up.
The crime is that the special interest groups/lobbyists/etc have captured our government and forced this system into place. Until you understand that, and get that money out of our government, you will continue to suffer from these 'crimes'.
Well I'm not a professional content creator either, however I have dabbled as an amateur in a number of genes and let me just say this: it is hard. Oh you can hack something up but being called a hack when doing something like that has now where near the same connotation that it does in the IT field. (And for those who don't get that, being called a hack when writing or whatever is a bad thing.)
However people are always seeking something new. And that something new does not even have to be that good. In short being a hack often pays. And where there is a way to make money you can be dammed sure that people will do it.
Add some MBAs into the mix who's sole job is to crunch numbers to maximize the profit on that that crappy content and you get something like Ubisoft, or Sony, or hell most content creation companies these days. Note I said content creator companies. Often time the actual content creators are not the 'bad guys' here.
And finally this has had a chain effect in that not only the content creation has been infected with this, we must own everything forever!, mentality but the content distributors. This has been discussed to death here and it will only end when we get some rational laws at the very top of this chain that state that yes, created content is owned by the 'creators' for a time but then after a rational amount of time it goes FULLY into the public domain forever.
I am not going to disagree with your experience and even views on that experience. I've been there done that myself. (In fact what I tell my clients is often Windows on the desktop, *nix on the server.) Why is this so? Windows has been polishing their UI for decades now. There are times when I have a learning curve but overall I've been pleased with using Windows on my desktop from a UI perspective at least.
*nix has not been about that and it shows. One could argue that putting resources towards that at the expense of other things would be bad. I think that the reality is that given the way *nix is implemented with its design/funding/licensing/etc that it is not really possible to do so. Some have tried and have done arguably well at it, Ubuntu, but even there there can be issues. (Much in the same sense that there are issues with Windows. Nothing is ever going to be perfect for everyone.)
However getting back to your point, and I'll forgo this post about Win8 in any regard (IMO it is not a UI that I want on my desktop, period.), that even tech people want just something that work. Yes, I agree. There are going to be those people who are tech savvy who have time to play around with things but by in large they tend to be younger and or much older with the time to do so. When it comes to day to day stuff most tech people want at most the ability to customize something to their liking and then they get it there and do their work.
I know this is /. but at this point and time there is no need to defend the knowledge/usage of Windows. You would have to be living under a rock for the past 20 years to not know about Windows and no serious IT person could make the claim that they don't know how to use it.
I can accept the fact that there might be very serious IT people out there who do not know Windows as well as *nix or even MacOS, but that they would not know and or have used Windows is just silly.
Finally you do need to move away from XP. It has reached its end of life in terms of support and if a 0 day exploit comes around, MS is not obligated to patch it for you. Move to Win7. It is a solid OS and you can even tweak the UI to make it look very close to XP if you need.
My UI evolution: CLI ONLY (and not very user friendly CLI at that) -> Text based menu systems (including the early ASCII dropdown menus and such -> WIMP GUI -> Early mobile devices (non-touchscreen) - > Continued evolution of the WIMP GUI -> Mobile devices w/early touchscreens -> Mobile devices and other devices with modern touchscreens
Mix in there the fact that that is only a rough approximation of the timeline, countless other types of UIs via games and game platforms, and I'm sure some stuff I'm forgetting and I'm damn sure at this point I know what works for me.
Win8's UI is not what I want. No amount of marketing, shilling, or any other crap is going to change my mind. They do not know better than me at this point. Further I can see past the crap and know what they are trying to do; force a UI on people that increases their own pockets to put it bluntly/simply.
Yes, I want a modern good UI on my mobile devices. But no, I do not want and will not accept that type of UI on my desktop/laptop where the WIMP/CLI interface works very well. There may come a day that the WIMP/CLI interface is surpassed by something new. But a smartphone/tablet UI is not it.
...but you are paying for actual hardware specs, not just snob appeal.
You are paying for both. And sometimes only the latter.
Further if you have a true need for that level of display then ok, you are paying for both. But if you do not then you are back to just paying for the latter.