No, the generic new methods just happen to reduce hybrid MPG much more than they reduce IC MPG. Even though some of the reductions cheat hybrids of marks for actual savings, like not wasting fuel while idling.
In America, everyone, rich and poor alike, is free to sleep under bridges.
The usual credulity lets you believe that this EPA adjustment really targets all cars, not the hybrids that it most affects, while leaving less affected the gas guzzlers the administration loves the most. The inflated MPG was A-OK with the EPA until hybrids started outselling gas guzzlers. Then the "accuracy" quickly became a priority, but somehow the new "accuracy" cheats hybrids of actual savings, like not wasting fuel while idling.
BTW, the "55MPH national standard" was a Reagan policy, from the 1980s, enforced by withholding highway funding.
You can believe as many coincidence theories as you like. But every Bush mistake and "correction" has benefited their patrons, mainly the oil industry. Especially in the EPA, which is run by polluters, mainly from the oil industry. How many actual conspiracies to rob and kill Americans to benefit the oil corps do you need before you see that conspiracy is the default policy process for the Bush admin?
Japanese government moves to OSS to avoid the American MS monopoly. American government declares it a monopoly, but does no such thing. That's the topic, monopolophile TrollMods.
I'm starting to get pissed off at the annoying little lights coming from cameras and phones people hold up at live concerts. When they're in the dark, people waving them around as they take video/pix or just send the audio to a friend are very distracting from the scene on stage.
Movies now feature standard trailers telling people to silence their mobile phones, after over a decade of idiots ruining the picture. It'll be many years, and still people won't keep their little side lightshow to themselves, as they selfishly ruin the scene for other people in the audience.
So I want a little dual power laser. Low power to target the device or the hand waving it. Then a blast of power high enough to burn. I could start a grassroots movement to leave the little lights holstered.
EPA MPG stats on regular gasonline engine cars are often inflated. I don't see them making those "more realistic", even though their inaccuracy has been known for years. Funny how prompt they are to reduce hybrid ratings.
And how is it more accurate to reduce ratings for hybrids because they shut off while "idling"? Gas engines burn gas while idling but getting nowhere. Which is part of the real efficiency of hybrids, especially in city driving.
Why must the inaccurate ratings that favor gas combustion force more economical (short term fuel prices, and longterm environmental/warfare costs) to look worse?
When the US government formally decided Microsoft was a monopoly, this kind of project here at home would have been the least of the remedies the government could have undertaken.
Instead we "elected" Bush, whose Justice Department never met a monopoly it didn't love.
If we could play our media for our friends (real ones) online the way we can currently lend the our CDs/DVDs, this whole BS house of copyright cards would collapse. And there would be a lot more transactions, that entrepreneurs could monetize in ways other than just controlling the content. Including a reasonable royalty scheme (not the now more-draconian webcast royalties) that would pay artists better and more directly from their audience.
The best outcome of this sleazy Microsoft strategy to destroy competition with monopolies it's bought from the US government will be OSS people demonstrating, through prior art, how the MS patent mill abuses its monopoly power in the most starkly clear terms.
Through sustained effort, not only will the MS strategy backfire. But the entire patent abuse industry could start to crack under the pressure of its futility finally getting demonstrated.
Accurately dating stars to better than 0.5Gy is well within our means, as far as we know. Even these pop news stories round only to the 0.1Gy, while the science is more precise than that.
"FBI Blames Broken DB for FBI Breaking Laws" is "Offtopic" to "Blame Your Mistakes on Technology". Only in the infinitely subdivided mind of the TrollMod, where "politics" is not connected to anything else, even when it's exactly the same as everything else.
Huh? I just linked to the reference that I quoted that states the 90% efficiency of electric motors, in the post to which you just replied.
The lousy efficiency of ICs is undeniably what has finally given hybrids and other efficient technologies their foothold. Though I never said that improving IC efficiency isn't worthwhile - to the contrary.
The transmission tech is certainly the central issue if you're including "the whole system", not just the engine's immediate power output from its fuel. Because that's where energy is lost. So I've even considered other primary waste. And the new tech we're discussing in this story is very much an IC-specific design, as it's for valves and exhaust, which of course means IC.
We were having an interesting discussion that was clarifying the practical comparisons of the two techs. Until your last post, which seems to have completely lost that clarity. What happened?
Since, as usual, no one at Bush's FBI has suffered after disclosure of this destructive abuse, the excuse will of course multiply in popularity.
Funny how Bush Gang "mistakes" always seem to benefit Bush, though his gang claims it's all just accident and happenstance. Random distributions that always favor Bush must be "miracles".
3% isn't "nearly equivalent", except perhaps in political opinion polls. One in thirty three to thirty four? That's a non-negligible quantity.
Especially when the precision of measuring things near the beginning of time is at the femtosecond scale. 1.57788E28 ticks is very different from 1 tick.
Unlike gasoline engines, electric motors can be greater than 90 percent efficient at using electrical energy. So, if an electric motor uses 100 kW-hrs of energy from the battery, 90 kW-hrs worth of energy will be converted into useful work. Hybrids sometimes use continuously variable transmissions, which can be much more efficient than automatic transmissions and in some cases are competitive with manual transmission efficiency.
90% of 60% efficient fuelcells is 54% efficient. This "major leap in IC engine design" would at most give 115% * 50%, 57%, minus the drivetrain inefficiency, which is at least 5%, especially while in manual midshift or automatic compensations. And fuelcells are getting greater marginal returns on investment than are ICs, as are electric motors/drivetrains.
An interesting and practical consideration is the efficiency of the power for the rest of the vehicle's accessories. The climate control might be more efficient driven by mechanical rotation, rather than electric, or maybe less efficient - and there might be new techs that are more efficient on electric. The exhaust and fuel delivery systems of ICs might suck a lot more power from the fuel than do the corresponding lightweight systems for fuelcell engines. Those two systems represent significant power consumption.
And the biggest unquantified power usage is power consumed in manufacturing, distribution, recycling/maintenance and other product lifecycle phases. Making, delivering and disposing of polymer fuelcells might be much less power consuming than forging steel or aluminum engines. Fuelcells can be powered by locally produced biomass.
Which also raises the issue of fuel consumption inefficiencies of wars for foreign oil. Which then points to losses in people, property and political progress that waste another kind of power entirely.
These are real, practical considerations. Politics aside, each tech has a bottom line industrial consumption of energy producing vehicle miles with loads. The apparent advantages from fuelcells are large enough already that they seem the better road on which to continue. And they're just getting in gear, while ICs have been running on empty for quite a while, until this redesign boost got in the pipeline (from which it hasn't yet emerged in force).
It is the electrical output efficiency. However, AFAIK, the IC figure is the fuel->torque efficiency. The torque must be converted to forward car motion. I don't know the efficiencies of the electric motors (which have to convert torque, too) vs traditional transmissions/drivetrains, but I'd like to.
Of course your eyes and brain also see the surrounding text. You even see the entire page, with your attention grabbed by keywords and interesting phrases. That increases your speed and comprehension, once you're an experienced reader. Your eyes and brain work in parallel, even if your conscious mind is serializing the text. But you have already processed much of the text before you hear it in your head as sounds.
This story is total bullshit. Slashdot's front page today is just full of pseudoscientific crapola to sell crud, rather than the kind of stuff actually smart people wouldn't just immediately dismiss.
No wonder it's news for "nerds", not "geeks". Geeks might be as antisocial as nerds, but it's because they're too smart for most people. Not just because they never bathe, but don't know why.
How would Republicans breaking rank and sacrificing their reputation change anything?
The only thing that matters is whether FBI officers would ignore Gonzales' orders and arrest White House officials once Congress sent the instructions to the Justice Department. I think some would, though I think that Bush would declare some emergency surrounding himself with suicide theocrat troops he's been cultivating the past 6 years.
That sick turn would result in the Congress enforcing order, after much damage. It would serve the country well to see a presidential coup executed in such stark terms.
The FISA itself already makes NSA wiretapping illegal in ways Bush personally ordered for years, as he's admitted. Last year a federal judge found that the NSA had violated the law (and the Constitution), and thereby that Bush had violated the law, in Bush's admitted offenses. The FISA makes it illegal for Bush to ignore the FISA court when wiretapping, and Bush has insisted he will continue to do just that.
Although Bush did lie about stopping his crimes when this issue first blew up in the news, last week he said he'd continue.
FISA was created after Congress (and America) learned about some of the extent to which Nixon had abused his power to spy on Americans without cause or Constitutional process. It has been amended over a dozen times since, to keep pace with changing technology and suspects. But Bush will ignore it all, because he's used to the Republican Congress Nixon lacked to perpetuate his tyrannies.
Bush is a committed criminal. Congress must impeach him immediately. While we still can.
I suppose it depends on what you mean by "overall system". Considered as fuel + engine = torque, fuelcells have a higher conversion% of the fuel's total (chemical) energy content than do ICs.
I'm not dismissing the IC improvement research. ICs will have longer lives even once replaced as the dominant tech, so they should be made more efficient. And some of these new designs will inform other techs, including nanoscale ICs, which we won't be leaving behind. I just take issue with the tone of the article, which describes 40% * 115% as a "major leap", especially in light of the familiar major leap fuelcells represent (as do other less familiar techs).
users should want it because of [what Shuttleworth wants]
Telling your market what it should want is a death sentence for a project. It's one thing to do what you want and become popular because so many others can relate. But start shutting down ways they can relate, start enforcing your narrower vision on what was once a vision of maximum openness and freedom, and you alienate people. And once people who liked you for your gateway to freedom start smelling alienation, they run elsewhere.
I hope Shuttleworth doesn't kill Ubuntu just as it's finally delivering a desktop Linux even grandmas can use more easily than Windows. He rode the Debian wave, right as Vista ups the MS incompetence/corruption ante. He was visionary in picking Ubuntu and getting Debian developers to jump to a reliably twice-yearly upgraded distro. But if he tries to run his market as a ship as tight as his developers, he'll crash and burn the whole run for the mainstream. Probably setting back desktop Linux's arrival by at least another year.
IC gasoline engines are about 40-50% efficient; +15% would be about 46-57% efficient. Fuelcells are already over 60% efficient. And they produce none of the NO2 emissions, less of the CO2 emissions even from gasoline, and none of the particles that cause cancer. Their byproducts include pure water. And nearly no noise.
If we invested as much in fuelcells as we would in these "major leap" new engines, we could have 75% efficient fuelcells, with all the other benefits. But maybe it would cut in new engineers who don't work for the car corporations who have spent the last decade using up as much foreign oil as possible in 14MPG SUVs.
And "SL" isn't quite the same thing as "Second Life". Second Life doesn't have the power to arrest people. The question is what is the basis, and therefore the appropriate consequences, for prohibitions against representations of sex with a minor, when no actual minors are involved.
So you can "chill out", but you have offered no insights into what is at work here. Which looks more like regulating morality than anything else. A practice in which neither the state nor a private corporation have any business.
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No, the generic new methods just happen to reduce hybrid MPG much more than they reduce IC MPG. Even though some of the reductions cheat hybrids of marks for actual savings, like not wasting fuel while idling.
In America, everyone, rich and poor alike, is free to sleep under bridges.
The usual credulity lets you believe that this EPA adjustment really targets all cars, not the hybrids that it most affects, while leaving less affected the gas guzzlers the administration loves the most. The inflated MPG was A-OK with the EPA until hybrids started outselling gas guzzlers. Then the "accuracy" quickly became a priority, but somehow the new "accuracy" cheats hybrids of actual savings, like not wasting fuel while idling.
BTW, the "55MPH national standard" was a Reagan policy, from the 1980s, enforced by withholding highway funding.
You can believe as many coincidence theories as you like. But every Bush mistake and "correction" has benefited their patrons, mainly the oil industry. Especially in the EPA, which is run by polluters, mainly from the oil industry. How many actual conspiracies to rob and kill Americans to benefit the oil corps do you need before you see that conspiracy is the default policy process for the Bush admin?
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Japanese government moves to OSS to avoid the American MS monopoly. American government declares it a monopoly, but does no such thing. That's the topic, monopolophile TrollMods.
I'm starting to get pissed off at the annoying little lights coming from cameras and phones people hold up at live concerts. When they're in the dark, people waving them around as they take video/pix or just send the audio to a friend are very distracting from the scene on stage.
Movies now feature standard trailers telling people to silence their mobile phones, after over a decade of idiots ruining the picture. It'll be many years, and still people won't keep their little side lightshow to themselves, as they selfishly ruin the scene for other people in the audience.
So I want a little dual power laser. Low power to target the device or the hand waving it. Then a blast of power high enough to burn. I could start a grassroots movement to leave the little lights holstered.
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TrollMods want worse mileage and more lies. And are dying for pollution and warfare to keep it all.
EPA MPG stats on regular gasonline engine cars are often inflated. I don't see them making those "more realistic", even though their inaccuracy has been known for years. Funny how prompt they are to reduce hybrid ratings.
And how is it more accurate to reduce ratings for hybrids because they shut off while "idling"? Gas engines burn gas while idling but getting nowhere. Which is part of the real efficiency of hybrids, especially in city driving.
Why must the inaccurate ratings that favor gas combustion force more economical (short term fuel prices, and longterm environmental/warfare costs) to look worse?
When the US government formally decided Microsoft was a monopoly, this kind of project here at home would have been the least of the remedies the government could have undertaken.
Instead we "elected" Bush, whose Justice Department never met a monopoly it didn't love.
If we could play our media for our friends (real ones) online the way we can currently lend the our CDs/DVDs, this whole BS house of copyright cards would collapse. And there would be a lot more transactions, that entrepreneurs could monetize in ways other than just controlling the content. Including a reasonable royalty scheme (not the now more-draconian webcast royalties) that would pay artists better and more directly from their audience.
The best outcome of this sleazy Microsoft strategy to destroy competition with monopolies it's bought from the US government will be OSS people demonstrating, through prior art, how the MS patent mill abuses its monopoly power in the most starkly clear terms.
Through sustained effort, not only will the MS strategy backfire. But the entire patent abuse industry could start to crack under the pressure of its futility finally getting demonstrated.
Bring it on!
Accurately dating stars to better than 0.5Gy is well within our means, as far as we know. Even these pop news stories round only to the 0.1Gy, while the science is more precise than that.
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"FBI Blames Broken DB for FBI Breaking Laws" is "Offtopic" to "Blame Your Mistakes on Technology". Only in the infinitely subdivided mind of the TrollMod, where "politics" is not connected to anything else, even when it's exactly the same as everything else.
Huh? I just linked to the reference that I quoted that states the 90% efficiency of electric motors, in the post to which you just replied.
The lousy efficiency of ICs is undeniably what has finally given hybrids and other efficient technologies their foothold. Though I never said that improving IC efficiency isn't worthwhile - to the contrary.
The transmission tech is certainly the central issue if you're including "the whole system", not just the engine's immediate power output from its fuel. Because that's where energy is lost. So I've even considered other primary waste. And the new tech we're discussing in this story is very much an IC-specific design, as it's for valves and exhaust, which of course means IC.
We were having an interesting discussion that was clarifying the practical comparisons of the two techs. Until your last post, which seems to have completely lost that clarity. What happened?
The FBI has blamed its blatant longterm abuse of the Bush privacy-invasion toy "National Security Letters" on its broken database.
Since, as usual, no one at Bush's FBI has suffered after disclosure of this destructive abuse, the excuse will of course multiply in popularity.
Funny how Bush Gang "mistakes" always seem to benefit Bush, though his gang claims it's all just accident and happenstance. Random distributions that always favor Bush must be "miracles".
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You Republican TrollMods have driven our country into ruin, and all you can do is anonymously trollMod me "Flamebait"? You pussies.
Satanists worship Gates and Microsoft, even if they don't know it. Silly satanists. Everyone knows the real hell is MVS.
3% isn't "nearly equivalent", except perhaps in political opinion polls. One in thirty three to thirty four? That's a non-negligible quantity.
Especially when the precision of measuring things near the beginning of time is at the femtosecond scale. 1.57788E28 ticks is very different from 1 tick.
90% of 60% efficient fuelcells is 54% efficient. This "major leap in IC engine design" would at most give 115% * 50%, 57%, minus the drivetrain inefficiency, which is at least 5%, especially while in manual midshift or automatic compensations. And fuelcells are getting greater marginal returns on investment than are ICs, as are electric motors/drivetrains.
An interesting and practical consideration is the efficiency of the power for the rest of the vehicle's accessories. The climate control might be more efficient driven by mechanical rotation, rather than electric, or maybe less efficient - and there might be new techs that are more efficient on electric. The exhaust and fuel delivery systems of ICs might suck a lot more power from the fuel than do the corresponding lightweight systems for fuelcell engines. Those two systems represent significant power consumption.
And the biggest unquantified power usage is power consumed in manufacturing, distribution, recycling/maintenance and other product lifecycle phases. Making, delivering and disposing of polymer fuelcells might be much less power consuming than forging steel or aluminum engines. Fuelcells can be powered by locally produced biomass.
Which also raises the issue of fuel consumption inefficiencies of wars for foreign oil. Which then points to losses in people, property and political progress that waste another kind of power entirely.
These are real, practical considerations. Politics aside, each tech has a bottom line industrial consumption of energy producing vehicle miles with loads. The apparent advantages from fuelcells are large enough already that they seem the better road on which to continue. And they're just getting in gear, while ICs have been running on empty for quite a while, until this redesign boost got in the pipeline (from which it hasn't yet emerged in force).
It is the electrical output efficiency. However, AFAIK, the IC figure is the fuel->torque efficiency. The torque must be converted to forward car motion. I don't know the efficiencies of the electric motors (which have to convert torque, too) vs traditional transmissions/drivetrains, but I'd like to.
Of course your eyes and brain also see the surrounding text. You even see the entire page, with your attention grabbed by keywords and interesting phrases. That increases your speed and comprehension, once you're an experienced reader. Your eyes and brain work in parallel, even if your conscious mind is serializing the text. But you have already processed much of the text before you hear it in your head as sounds.
This story is total bullshit. Slashdot's front page today is just full of pseudoscientific crapola to sell crud, rather than the kind of stuff actually smart people wouldn't just immediately dismiss.
No wonder it's news for "nerds", not "geeks". Geeks might be as antisocial as nerds, but it's because they're too smart for most people. Not just because they never bathe, but don't know why.
How would Republicans breaking rank and sacrificing their reputation change anything?
The only thing that matters is whether FBI officers would ignore Gonzales' orders and arrest White House officials once Congress sent the instructions to the Justice Department. I think some would, though I think that Bush would declare some emergency surrounding himself with suicide theocrat troops he's been cultivating the past 6 years.
That sick turn would result in the Congress enforcing order, after much damage. It would serve the country well to see a presidential coup executed in such stark terms.
The FISA itself already makes NSA wiretapping illegal in ways Bush personally ordered for years, as he's admitted. Last year a federal judge found that the NSA had violated the law (and the Constitution), and thereby that Bush had violated the law, in Bush's admitted offenses. The FISA makes it illegal for Bush to ignore the FISA court when wiretapping, and Bush has insisted he will continue to do just that.
Although Bush did lie about stopping his crimes when this issue first blew up in the news, last week he said he'd continue.
FISA was created after Congress (and America) learned about some of the extent to which Nixon had abused his power to spy on Americans without cause or Constitutional process. It has been amended over a dozen times since, to keep pace with changing technology and suspects. But Bush will ignore it all, because he's used to the Republican Congress Nixon lacked to perpetuate his tyrannies.
Bush is a committed criminal. Congress must impeach him immediately. While we still can.
I suppose it depends on what you mean by "overall system". Considered as fuel + engine = torque, fuelcells have a higher conversion% of the fuel's total (chemical) energy content than do ICs.
I'm not dismissing the IC improvement research. ICs will have longer lives even once replaced as the dominant tech, so they should be made more efficient. And some of these new designs will inform other techs, including nanoscale ICs, which we won't be leaving behind. I just take issue with the tone of the article, which describes 40% * 115% as a "major leap", especially in light of the familiar major leap fuelcells represent (as do other less familiar techs).
IC gasoline engines are about 40-50% efficient; +15% would be about 46-57% efficient. Fuelcells are already over 60% efficient. And they produce none of the NO2 emissions, less of the CO2 emissions even from gasoline, and none of the particles that cause cancer. Their byproducts include pure water. And nearly no noise.
If we invested as much in fuelcells as we would in these "major leap" new engines, we could have 75% efficient fuelcells, with all the other benefits. But maybe it would cut in new engineers who don't work for the car corporations who have spent the last decade using up as much foreign oil as possible in 14MPG SUVs.
And "SL" isn't quite the same thing as "Second Life". Second Life doesn't have the power to arrest people. The question is what is the basis, and therefore the appropriate consequences, for prohibitions against representations of sex with a minor, when no actual minors are involved.
So you can "chill out", but you have offered no insights into what is at work here. Which looks more like regulating morality than anything else. A practice in which neither the state nor a private corporation have any business.