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Study Says No Future for Video iTunes
eldavojohn writes "Reuters is running a story on a study that claims "Online video sites that sell shows and movies such as Apple Inc.'s iTunes will likely peak this year as more programming is made available on free outlets supported by advertising." Many channels have wised up to offering their content hosted from their own sites for free — with commercials — to cut out iTunes as the middle man. End result? Predictions that services like iTunes-Video have no future."
There's television!
I can't be the only one who'd rather pay a couple of bucks to watch without commercials...
Let me see. I can go to NBC.com and watch a show in horrendously low quality with annoying commercials, or I can spend $1.99 a week to watch the same show in H.234 480p with no commerical interruptions. Oh, and I can collect the seasons and watch them whenever I want.
Seriously, this doesn't make any sense. And can television stations really say that they make more money per viewer with commercials than they do with iTunes downloads? As far as I see, the episodes on NBC.com are carrots intended to get viewers hooked on the shows. The quality is intentionally limited so as to convince new viewers to tune in on television or iTunes.
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However, IF you can watch the same thing for free, with similar quality, only the irritant of commercials remain. However, this is a big irritant and I think most people would skip them if possible. As long as people are able to skip the commercials somehow, then the free option will prevail, however, the providers will never stand for this.
Buying content will allow people to play said content on portable devices. Commercials fed services will have to be streaming to keep the user from skipping commercials. So, different users will want different kinds of content.
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iTunes seems to be quite a success despite free music downloads and subsidized music in the form of radio. I don't see why videos would be any different.
Why do people insist that the world be black or white; beta or VHS; HD-DVD or BlueRay?
What the author should have said is that iTunes perhaps has yet to find the video market content that targets it's user base. Just because content providers are finding that they get more benefit by not having a middle man for distribution does not mean there is no room in the market place for what iTMS has to offer... or any other content distributor, can you say YouTube or others like it?
While CBS, NBC, BBC et al can find profit in distributing their own content, it is aggregaters that will create 'channels' that users will be willing to subscribe to. Just like broadcasting companies of years gone by, it will be aggregation channels that people end up watching.
Already there are too many web sites with video content and too much content for the average user to keep up with. In the end, due mostly to operator overload, users will end up just watching their 'favorite' channels of video content on the Internet. Just like there are different Internet radio stations because of taste and ease of use, video channels will emerge as the 'new tv' networks. People are often just like sheep wanting someone else to tell them what to watch. This societal effect will make its mark on Internet video content too.
The good news in this story? Content creators are seeing that they don't need a distribution company for the Internet. Perhaps musicians will see this too and wriggle out of their contracts to start putting more music content out there without the RIAA tax.
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I could see them making a nice chuck of change. Think about the amount of travelers alone who have iPod's... Imagine a USB based kiosk at an airport with movies for downloads. Or... Even a USB next to your chair which would allow you to rent/buy movies at will... How many people get on a plain/train each day... All you need is a fraction to buy a movie. Its apparent whoever wrote the article is not thinking out of the box.
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Let me be one of the first to say that this story is so off-base that it will likely never be referenced by anyone in the future.
Congratulations! Someone's on a roll. Now, please go see the folks at HBO and tell them how wrong they've been all this time. ;)
What's this? Somebody nay saying apple? Promising a quick demise of one of their products? Eminent failure?
/sarcasm
They couldn't possibly be being sensationalist and trying to cash in on apple's success now could they?
It's one thing sitting at your desk and getting to watch a TV show, and syncing it with a mobile device and watching it during your lunch hour at work. If I'm home I'll watch it on TV, but if I dont have time and want to watch it whenever I want from wherever I want then a video ipod sounds nice. So there will be a market for it. Plus I'd rather pay a couple bucks for on-demand ad free content then free and usable only via the web with ads.
I sometimes wonder if stories like this (or the breathless "iPhone is gonna generate more revenue than a patent on oral sex" stories) are intended to briefly move the stock price one way or another. It would be interesting to study the AAPL movements against key announcement, headlines, rumors and actual performance. I supose we wouldn't learn much, only confirm our intuition that headlines and rumors affect the short term and performance affects the long term, but it might be fun.
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My time is valuable to me. My friends value their time as well. Tivo's value is not just time shifting, but also cutting out crap. If I have to pay Apple a premium to do this for me and watch only a few shows because of the cost, to me that's better than watching crapisode after crapisode put only solely for the purpose of having something to insert commercials into. And if I feed the demand for something which competes against AdverCrapIsodes(r) it's a bonus.
In my little world, this guy is off target.
People pay to get their time & choice back.
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Was just looking at a list of the top 10 spenders on advertising. 4 of them are media companies (Time-Warner, Disney, GE (NBC), and News Corp) and 3 are telco's (ATT, Verizon, Sprint). If all of their products are going to be free, who will be left to buy ads?
I think it's pretty obvious that downloaded shows make a lot of sense at the moment. So do DVDs of shows - it's convenient and you can use them offline.
Imagine a future, though, where wireless broadband is cheap and ubiquitous. Subscription websites generally do poorly and people are willing to sit through advertising in order to get something they want for free. If I can tab to another web site during commercials, I probably don't care that things are delayed for a couple minutes.
Eventually, the issue will be about time. Some people's time is valuable enough that they'll purchase the DVD or download the series. For the masses, the commercial approach is fine for them. Personally, I think it's good to have choices.
I'm not sure they've taken every aspect into account. While 'free' sounds good, I'm pretty sure people don't want to hunt all around different sites, all with different viewing/codec requirements, all with different site logins and other logisitcal hoops, just to find something they might want to watch.
On the contrary, I believe sites that will survive which can collect the most shows/movies from all the content providers in one place, all with short previews, all encoded reliabily the same. While the 'Net allows for wild west style secluded towns for each studio, it doesn't have staying power. People tend to prefer a centralized distributor they can count on.
iTune's biggest issue IMHO is that they need more studios to supply content in order to make them a one-stop shop. The studios need to get past this walled garden idea.
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First of all, how many fucking idiots in the world are there that write studies and articles like this? EVERYTHING IS NOT BINARY! THERE DOES NOT ALWAYS HAVE TO BE ONE WINNER AND ONE LOSER! FUCK!!!!!
The Internet has not replaced TV. TV did not replace radio or the movies. Movies and radio did not replace stage shows. Smartphones have not replaced PDAs. Etc etc etc. Can't ONE FUCKING JOURNALIST accept the fact that some things will just stay around?!? Sheesh.
Now, on to the actual premise of TFA: I love that ABC and others are making their content available online. HOWEVER, I do NOT like that I've got to fire up a browser and watch shows streaming. I *want* to be able to download shows and watch them with no de[[[buffering]]]lays, and watch them over and over, and skip around with no delay, and be able to watch it some day in the future when ABC quits hosting the file, etc etc etc. I don't like buying video from iTunes--the fact that it can NEVER be watched without a) a computer, b) an AppleTV, or c) an iPod pretty much kills it for me--but I like watching shows in a browser on my so-so Internet connection even less.
Long story short: this will NOT be the end of iTunes. Hint to fucktard "journalist"/"researcher" #42571: TiVos and videotapes ALSO render iTunes obsolete--but it's still around. Get a fucking clue. Douchebag.
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"Many channels have wised up to offering their content hosted from their own sites for free -- with commercials"
Wised up - just like that, eh?.
Yesterday they couldn't unwrap a corndog and now they've figured it all out and they've got iTunes on the run.
The world....is such a funny place....isn't it...?
I mean, I'm always keen to see things work out for others. And I love the serendipitous nature of this whirlwind we call 'now'. But who among us would have not been taken by surprise to see the words 'wised up' and 'channels' staring back at us from within the same sentence.
Well, good for them, right! HUPHUPHURRAH!. After all these years of chasing their cute stubby little analog tails while bumping the audio of their next commercial and struggling with prime time in multiple time zones and interrupting Bonanza with news of a new First Kitten, well - there can be only one thing to say.
iTunes is dead! Long live iTunes!
(Now where was that renewal card for TV Guide... Honey!!)
We have the internet, memory cards, etc.
Any physical format like DVD or CD is laden with DRM and makes it harder to cover to a portable format (MPG,AVI,MP3,ogg,etc.)
TV is dying due to the 20+ minutes of commercials per hour.
And these are the same 4 commercials repeated throughout the same hour.
Even good commercials are repeated to a point where they become annoying like the worst commercials.
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See the past, one must, to see the future.
Did free TV stop DVD sales? Hm.
The birth of "Web TV" and "Web DVD", we see. The same it is: place for everyone, on the web you can find.
Seriously. If the history of media tells us anything, it's that people by and large prefer to own their content. Hence the success of VCRs. Hence the success of DVD box sets. Advertising supported streaming will appeal to some subset of viewers who just want to be able to catch an episode they missed, but I highly doubt it will cut into the Video iTunes market in any meaningful way. The services are barely even comparable. One chains you to your computer to watch, gives you little opportunity to ffw, pause and otherwise control your viewing experience, and has low quality to boot. The other is highly portable, gives you complete control* of the viewing experience AND is high quality. There may be a little overlap in the markets, but I doubt it's much.
* Modulo DRM crapola preventing you from device shifting your content
Its the DRM, stupid! Get It! Or are the media so deaf that they are dumb and blind as well and only support video Itunes for money or because they have been threatened or part of the monopoly and are really the mouthpiece of it?
People just hate DRM and will do anything to get away from it. They listen to commercials anyway on cable pay tv that they have to pay for as well...and some monopolist assbites and their whores in congress are trying to even put a 'broadcast flag' on that! This writer will buy his/her video on DVD or CD. Preferably CD or most preferable VHS tape. Then and only then we have it. Otherwise we'll have to move to Russia, which remains the free-est of all countries with respect to true freedom.
If there is anything that will put a dent in Itunes its Joost, solid concept, network backing and the creators have a track record of creating stuff that stirs up some dust in the industry (www.skype.com)
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Starting four years ago, I had a Dish network subscription plus a TiVo. I haven't seen a TV commercial since, except for the rare occasions I was doing something and couldn't get to the fast forward button. Two months ago, I realized:
1. I really don't watch too much other than movies and a couple of TV shows that are available on iTunes. I definitely never watched anything when it was actually being broadcast -- usually several days later.
2. The total monthly cost of these things is more than my motorcycle payment.
3. I could get a Netflix subscription, buy the entire seasons of the shows on iTunes, give up nothing, and save a few hundred bucks a year.
So I cancelled the satellite, unplugged the TiVo, and haven't really missed them since (except when my girlfriend is over and wants to watch something; all that's hooked up to the TV now is a DVD player and the XBOX 360.)
I call shenanigans on this study.
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I have friends all over the world who record my favorite shows, expunge the commercials, and let me borrow them! I don't pay a cent except for bandwidth, and if I like the show enough I'll buy the DVDs to support the artists (Venture Brothers, maybe the next Simpsons set, Family Guy, etc...).
It works great, just like asking your neighbor to tape your favorite shows when you go on vacation.
Oh...the bad part is, the media companies can't make any money off of it.
Blar.
There was a time in our history when the world-as-you-knew-it was the same one that your parents knew, and would be the same one that your children would know. The division of social classes, their economic wants, their means of fulfilling those wants, their cultural values, etc., did not change over one, two, or even three generations. In that environment, the concept of the "economic man," and the whole business of making predictions based on the science of economics, had some genuine effectiveness to it.
In these times, all the above listed factors change every decade. Not only do we know very little about what world our children will face, we know very little about what our own values, needs, and means will be in the next ten years. Because of this rapid pace of change, by the time any sort of economic model has enough data upon which to base predictions, all the data no longer apply.
Therefore, as far as I am concerned, all such analysis are little more than crystal-ball review.
The risk-takers are the ones who shape our world from one decade to the next, and the unknowns are just too high to say with confidence which risks are worth taking. There are no safe investments, but the betting window never closes.
Like many viewers I can't watch regular tv anymore. Too many commercials. At ABC.com I can watch 43 minutes of Lost with 3 separate 30 second commercial breaks for free and at a pretty good resolution. 30 seconds is short enough that I generally don't leave during the breaks (good for the advertisers) and a total of 90 seconds of commercials is a minimal distraction from the show. I occasionally buy 24 from iTunes because it's not available for free online (legally) and the quality doesn't seem any better.
What the networks have been failing to grasp (and many here have mentioned) is that there is not going to be just one method of distribution. The spate of technology has empowered the viewer to watch on their own terms, and the content creators would be making a drastic mistake to bet on one technology edging out the other. Some people will want to watch it on the AppleTV, and some people will be happy to download it with their media PCs while others will hang in there with their Tivo. Many more will elect to watch it on their iPods or tiny cell phone screens while sitting on a train to work (or hopefully, not while driving to work).
Appointment TV is dead; the networks and broadcasters need to wake up to the fact that everyone showing up in front of their televisions at a set time to watch Idol is becoming as arcane and antiquated as the family life portrayed in 1950's family sitcoms. They need to realize that in order to capture every eyeball, they'll have to distribute it on cable, on the download sites and services for products like AppleTV, on their own web sites, on cellular networks and every other place where they can find eyeballs. To ignore this will simply result in less dollars for them because they are not making their shows available to the largest number of people.
PEOPLE spend money at iTunes.
Not studies, probably sponsored by failing competitors.
Has anyone realized that apple doesn't make much of a profit from the content offered on it's itunes store? If apple is offering all this content simply to push the sales of ipods, macs (and now appletvs) where there IS a lot of profit, why shouldn't apple start offering free video downloads that are ad-supported, with additional drm such that you can't fast-forward while a commercial is on screen? or maybe just make you watch a short ad (not even necessarily embedded in the video file) before you can watch a show...this would be dynamic targeted advertising, but would require an always-on connection, just a possibility. Bottom line... Who says apple can't provide free downloads? If they have the download infrastructure already in place, wouldn't it actually BENEFIT content providers to just offload video to apple? That way they wouldn't need to spend resources developing their own distribution systems.
If we could play our media for our friends (real ones) online the way we can currently lend the our CDs/DVDs, this whole BS house of copyright cards would collapse. And there would be a lot more transactions, that entrepreneurs could monetize in ways other than just controlling the content. Including a reasonable royalty scheme (not the now more-draconian webcast royalties) that would pay artists better and more directly from their audience.
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I can take the Itunes video and watch it on my IPod, or watch it on my AppleTV. Well, in my case I don't have an AppleTV, but I hook my MacBook up to the TV and use the handy remote control and do things that way. I've watched video through ABC.com's site before and the quality is decent, but I have to be at my computer to do it. Watching it on my TV isn't practical and I can't take it with me. It's okay if I want to catch up on a series and not pay $2 an episode.
Frankly what I hope to have some day is the ability to just do paid subscriptions for all of the shows I watch. Even if I'm paying for each individual show it would save me a whole lot of money if I could cut back on my cable package or eliminate it entirely. If I dropped cable all together and bought the shows I actually watch I'd probably cut my annual costs in half.
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I'll buy from a service that costs about the same as netflix ($2/movie) and lets me burn the show to a standard non-DRMed DVD the same way iTunes costs $1 and lets me burn the song to a standard CD. Services that are more restricted are doomed to failure because lets face it: that's crappy service and as a consumer I'm wise to it.
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- Convenience. I don't want to hunt around to find the content I'm looking for, deal with different codecs and quality issues, and try to get it working on my Mac (my attempts thus far to view things like the NCAA basketball tournament games, or portions of The Masters, have been wildly unsuccessful.)
- Viewing Experience. Nobody wants to watch these on their computer. Apple already has the AppleTV, or even Mac Mini as good settop box options.
- Familiarity. The existing iTMS user base is huge, we already have accounts there and are exposed to the video choices, making it easy to take the leap into video.
- Integration. There is value in having the option to view the content on my laptop, iPod, as well as my TV -- without jumping through hoops and transcoding. This will be even more important as the next generation of iPods, with iPhone interface and widescreens, become available. having the video on a portable device becomes even more useful / usable.
I'm not saying iTMS is the pinnacle of multimedia.. but it's the best thing going right now. I am hoping that free/legal options become more common in the future. But, I'm thinking something along the lines of MythTV, except easy to set up and use. Record HDTV programs for free with an antenna, convert them to a good format for use on a variety of devices, and integrate with a nice settop box for TV playback. MythTV can do this today, if you're willing to spend the time/effort and acquire the knowledge necessary. This is definitely an area ripe for a startup.. but it needs to be one that is willing to live without exploiting all the lock-ins that everyone else attempts with this sort of thing.
If we are talking about some kind of crappy webbased horrid low resolution crap, who cares? I want it directly to my TV in at least 720p and preferably 1080p with high quality surround sound.
Besides, iTunes is not the big competitor, the torrent/ftp/etc sites are the big competitors, they have the nuts.
The only think that'll completely eliminate the viability of video in iTunes is something that can completely replace the functionality of video in iTunes.
When I get a video in iTunes, it's so that I can download it onto my video iPod, to watch it on the bus during my commute, or while waiting for my food at a restaurant, et cetera, et cetera.
I'll give you an example: Heroes. The web site lets you watch episodes for free. I've still bought some episodes via iTunes. Why? The web site used streaming video. I don't want to watch on my computer. I want to watch on my iPod, which doesn't have a net connection.
> There's television!
No future for television... There's Internet.
As an example on this, let's take myself.
I love watching LOST, but I am awful about actually sitting down and watching it when it is on TV. I always miss it.
Back during Season 2, I was still catching up. I really wanted to watch the episodes that I missed. I had missed a lot of them. So, I figured $2 is worth the price of an episode. I went to iTunes, and I bought about 12 episodes of Season 2 to catch up to where I needed to be. It was really cool, the quality was good, and I was pretty happy with it.
Fast forward to now.
I still miss LOST regularly, but I don't buy it from iTunes anymore. I go to www.abc.com, and I watch it online. I can watch it in full screen, and I just have to sit through a 30 second commercial a few times per episode. I consider that a free trade, considering that if I was watching it on TV, I'd have to sit through FIVE MINUTES worth of commercials several times per episode.
The only issue I have with the ABC content is that sometimes the streaming isn't quite fast enough, and the video feed can get locked up. I don't have to deal with that on iTunes. Also, you can only go back 4 episodes. So, if I missed an entire season, I couldn't get it on ABC.com. However, I would imagine that ABC has something in the works to rectify this situation.
In summary, I'd rather watch a few commercials than pay $2 for an episode if I am given the choice.
UNLESS
I want to burn the episode to DVD to watch later. THEN I want a high quality digital copy with no commercials, and I'd pay $2 for it. Unfortunately, iTunes doesn't allow you to burn video to DVD, so I can't win on that front at all. If Apple can get rid of the DRM requirement on their downloaded videos, to let you burn them to DVD, I can see a market for them. Otherwise, eventually the free content will win.
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Only cable TV subscribers, bottled-water consumers and XM radio consumers. Some people WILL pay for premium content sans advertising. (Anybody ever bought a DVD of a movie you can catch on late-night TV?)
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A while ago, I compared the cost of my local cable provider to the cost of iTunes. I figured that the most comparable level of service to iTunes was the one that includes a DVR and a few of the premium channels, which I think cost about $60 per month. Then I looked up on the iTunes Store the shows my family actually watches, and calculated how much each show would cost per month (obviously, I needed to do some conversions, since most shows are sold by the season rather than by the month). I omitted all shows that are in reruns, since I decided that if I were to drop my cable service, I would be more likely get such shows on DVD (either buy them or rent them e.g. via Netflix).
Some of the shows we watch aren't offered on iTunes (including MythBusters!!!), but when I calculated how much we'd spend if all the shows we watch were offered, I found that the worst-case scenario was still less than half the cost of the comparable cable service. Furthermore, iTunes offers a variety of advantages (no commercials, and we can watch purchased shows whenever we want) that no cable service provides and can't easily be translated to a dollar value.
My opinion, therefore, is that video through iTunes and similar services, while not as well-developed as video through cable or satellite, has the potential to be a significant competitor to traditional cable or satellite services.
I think it is wrong to imply that networks want to cut out iTunes as a middle man. Evidence to the contrary is clearly exhibited by the announcement today by CBS that they are moving away from offering video exclusively on their website and will begin to widely syndicate their content to other online avenues. http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB11791043782 5901533-M5HqezmgdosZtIpH3agsJDzQVDY_20070612.html? mod=tff_main_tff_top
Just like in the early days of music downloads, people are looking for end-to-end solutions. They want to watch video on their TV's, not on the web. That is the big stumbling block right now. I do agree that the fate of purchased television episodes has an unknown future however. What I would really like to see is for the networks to offer shows as a free video podcast supported by embedded ads. That would provide the widest compatibility with existing and future products. In Apple's case, the iTunes store coupled with an Apple TV can support this right out of the box today and is a very seamless solution. In fact, I believe that is the main reason that Apple did not build DVR functionality into the Apple TV. The real unkown at this point is the cable/settop box companies and how they will enter the ring. One thing for sure is that change is coming and it's coming fast!
This will go on/off topic as I stream of thought this, but here goes:
Why do we even have to pay for television? Look at terrestrial radio: Commercials, talking, etc., but it's free. It's supported by advertising. Why isn't television the same way? Why should I have to pay $40/month for basic cable and still have to be bombarded by crap advertisements and junk I don't want to see? I understand the need to recup the initial hardware fees and such. It costs money to lay cable lines, install outlets in homes, etc. That's why there are up-front installation costs. After that, I shouldn't be required to pay to watch crap I don't want to watch. Satellite radio: $10-$15 a month, commercial free. I'd gladly pay for that. (Yes, I know that tv/radio are very different forms of communication, so keep reading...)
This goes back to the whole theory of people being overpaid. My cable bill is high because athletes and actors are way overpaid to do what they do. Yes, I understand that most athletes and actors are the best at what they do. No, I couldn't personally go grab a basketball and dunk over Shaq. That's not my point here. The concepts revolve around the fact that there are TONS of people who would love to act, play basketball, etc. and would do it for less money. It's why a movie ticket is now almost $10, and the cost to get an NBA nosebleed seat is nearly $40. And so what happens when "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" comes out on cable? Nearly 45 minutes of it's 2 1/2 hour timeslot are junk crap commercials. What's the special notation at the beginning of the movie? "Movie has been formatted to fit your screen" and "Edited for time". Don't edit it for time! CUT OUT THE DAMN COMMERCIALS! Maybe an actor does deserve to get paid a lot. Problem is, not every movie that comes out is like "The Green Mile" or "T2". There are plenty of "Larry the Cable Guy: Health Inspector" movies to go around.
And so then we stand back and get to the point where people record shows on their TiVo and computers, cut out the commercials, and post on the internet. Then, the production and broadcast companies yell and scream because people are skipping their commercials. Hmm... I'm not going to waste my life away watching your stupid advertising just because you think I need to be bombarded for another 15-20 minutes by tampon, erectile dysfunction, and overpriced consumer commodity commercials.
Solution? There's on-demand movie channels... So make on-demand advertising channels. In the market to buy a new car? Flip to channel 121 to see ads from Ford/Chevy/Toyota/etc. Want the newest drug to keep your penis erect? Flip to 167 to watch the newest pharmaceutical ads. Want to see ads for new products that have been around for 6 months or less that you don't know about yet? There'll be another channel for that. Let people target themselves for their advertising! Don't try to fit me into some demographic slot and then shove crappy commercials at me.
So to get back on topic (I told you I'd be meandering here), I completely understand why people pay for ad-free tv shows. I just hope they're not screwing themselves and double-dipping by paying a cable bill as well. The market for iVideo dying? Doubt it. Those who can pay for it will. Those who can't will still download off the net. And the have-nots, well, they won't be reading this post because they are too busy trying to pay their rent to worry about broadband or cable bills. At least we are fortunate enough to have the problem of getting to complain about too many commercials.
There's no point reading a study unless you know how likely it is to be accurate. I've never seen any kind of study to find out how accurate they are. So why should I consider this report as anything other than noise?
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
When you buy pirate DVDs, absolutely no money goes to the people that enforced region codes and hardware region lock for your laptop's DVD drive. No money either for people that put FBI warnings, and ads on the DVD you just bought.
So *don't* buy pirated DVDs, you'll make those people starve to death if you do.
But considering Reuters is openly and for a long time, the official water carriers for EU agenda items it's hard to put too much faith in a 'study' from the folks spending millions of Euros to sue Apple in Europe into obscurity.
Imagine a future, though, where wireless broadband is cheap and ubiquitous.
Sounds like a line from Ma Bell back in the 60's about video phones.
Ubiquitous maybe, but cheap? No. The base for broadband has been set and it will only rise from here.
Will the guys doing this study be fired when their prediction proves false? Or will they be rehired because it was understood that it was an advertising move and may not pan out?
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Content producers will wonder why they can't get you to pay for the bits WITH commercials, just like how there's commercials on cable TV. Eventually it'll happen.
Content producers will want you to stream the bits so that you'll have to pay-per-view, won't be able to copy for personal use, excerpt for purposes of commentary, criticism, or parody, or share with friends, or rewind for instant replay.
People will wonder why they have to pay their cable ISP for internet access AND Cable TV content that they can stream and PVR, and then have to pay yet again to download or stream lower-quality video from the internet. If they can even comprehend that there's a difference.
Pirates and other outlaws will keep on proving that maxim from Serenity, "You can't stop the signal."
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Consumers don't want to purchase videos to own and watch at their leisure. iTunes' success will definitely be short-lived. Sincerely, The Original Divx
Remember how direct mail orders killed the retail business?
Companies could cut the middle-man and allow customers to buy from them directly, as long as they were aware of the company, and had their mail address, and were willing to fill up a mail order form and a check and send it to them.
Right...
There is a value proposition in a centralized marketplace for this content - exposure their user base, facilitate impulse buys, all sorts of nice things which include most of the reasons malls still exist.
Providing the content on their own website has a lot of advantages too - not the least that perhaps people might have a reason to go to nbc.com.
But the big difference is that they have more leverage to use against the middle-man on negotiations. "Look, it's not like you are our only choice. If we don't like the deal, we'll just take our content home and play by ourselves.".
This is less in line with "online video stores have no future", and more in line with "CEOs of online video stores may have to stop comparing the children of content-producer executives to ugly-bulldogs-after-a-car-accident".
Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4, everything else follows...
This is a very strange conclusion considering that such a market battle of this kind has happened plenty of times before and the paid services could always survive and do pretty well.
I am not sure about the radio stations time, but I think people did pay for tapes even though they could listen to their favorite music for free from the radio stations.
But in the case of TV I have definitely paid more for cable service over the usual free TV based on ads...
And well, the fact is that people tend to like quality and tend to get annoyed by ads (Surprising? I don't think so) So I am sure that as long that people have the money to spare on it, video itunes will work.
Copyright infringement is "piracy" in the same way DRM is "consumer rape"
This "study" was conducted by the same Forrester Research that said the iPod Photo would go nowhere, the same Forrester Research which claimed iTunes sales were "collapsing" then had to scramble to do damage control when their estimates were based on a very misleading data source.
Part of their problem is they can't seem to see five minutes into the future at the larger strategy Apple is deploying with devices such as AppleTV. What the MIT computer science-educated, but consumer technology-ignorant analysts at Forrester seem to want is for Apple to:
a) Follow the same abysmal (read: atrociously unsexy) corporate branding strategy as everyone else... i.e. iPods should be APPLE IPODS (imagine a big flashing neon sign).
b) Focus more energy on getting consumers to accept the 1970's definition of computing (which, incidentally, is paramount to Forrester's bread and butter).
What Apple does that seems to have Forrester analysts' panties in a bunch is they focus on understanding how consumers interact with technology, and then define solutions that fit that usage. Consequently, Apple does not fit Forrester's mold. They deploy a device like AppleTV and all Forrester can see is Apple trying to compete with cable/dish. They cannot see the larger multimedia strategy at play here, of which AppleTV is only a "feeler" product. Even if AppleTV fails, its lessons are going to be harvested by Apple product people to shape the next generation. Since Steve Jobs' return, Apple seldom experiences a tragic loss in the market because they take whatever they learned and shape future products with the improvements that were needed. If AppleTV succeeds, we'll see an extrapolation of more of its features. If it doesn't, we'll see devices based off AppleTV that possess what it is that AppleTV lacks.
This difference in focal length of Apple's vision, and Forrester's vision, is also what sets Apple apart from all its competitors. They're just as myopic as Forrester... which works out perfectly since there's money to be made by restating the patently obvious. It's certainly a lot easier than having vision.
I also have many friends that do that for me as well, my friends family name is USENET. Do you know them? I don't keep track of all the individual names.
I can get movies on DVD, HD-DVD, Blu-Ray. I can get television over the air, or cable.
The only reason I would want iTunes or other online video purchases would be for convenience--including lack of advertising.
Why would I log on to watch something I can rent, buy, or watch on TV? With rental services like netflix and blockbuster, the cost of viewing an individual movie is next to nothing, so I'd just want to choose an alternate for better convenience. Having ads shown to me is not convenient.
So my dad works for a company that is taking there entire video library online in a few months. its going to be available for streaming and download for free (with advertisement) as well as pay download (commercial free). the part i think is the coolest is that when you vote on the video and or discuss it, you help the company choose wheater or not they will distribute it on DVD and possibly theaters. Also film makers will be able to submit there films to possibly recieve a distribution deal. which I think is the way every company should be with film. For there next production they are also go to have users help select cast members based of screening performances as well as host a music writting contest where anyone can submit an original song or score for a chance to with 10,000$ and a contract for the song to appear in a movie.. what are peoples feelings about something like this?? Is this the future of media?? please I want to hear what other people think??
...but I've come to like my BitTorrent friends a whole lot more.
Blar.
Predicting the demise of any particular technology is a 50%/50% game. Either you're right, or you're not. Articles like this are not actually adding signal to any particular discussion, they're just adding more noise.
Perhaps it's a sign of the times - I suspect not - but why can we not discuss things that actually matter, things that provide an insight into how we can "do the next good thing", as opposed to knocking down a process that has been developed, released and is widely used.
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I have to agree. I have used iTunes TV downloads and paying $2 for a TV episode is rediculious. For those not doing the math, at 24 episodes/season thats roughly $50 per season. At that price you can go buy the DVD which you can then rip to whatever format you wish. The website methods, on the other hand work well. My GF who is not a computer person but will use them LOVES watching ABC shows on her laptop. She'll sit and watch Grey's Anatomy on her own though she rarely will work the media center PC or iTunes on the TV. iTunes needs to stick to Movies. Sooner or later the networks will provide all their shows online and on demand with ad support.
I do security
They'd do better if they'd change their price point.
A whole season of a show from itunes is on par with DVD box sets. Except theres no packaging, much less sales overhead, no physical media, low video quality and obtrusive DRM.
Movies are priced similarly - on par with a DVD.
Wheres the advantage? If I like it enough to pay for it I'll spring for the dvd. Its a better deal.
Thomas, Caillou, Disney movies, over & over & over again.
Ugh, those make me want to poke my eyes out. Try Sesame Street, Mr. Rogers, Dragon Tales, Big World, Little Bill, and the more tame Studio Ghibli films.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
I haven't watched anything live in awhile, but that's because I don't watch sports and don't care who got kicked off American Idol. The last time I watched something live was when the Democrats took over the house and senate. If I could have, I would have watched Steve Job's last Keynote live. I think there are enough events that people want to see live that there will still be a place for some video content distributed using a realtime mechanism.
I predict that IT predictions will peak in 2007 and then slowly slide into oblivion as we approach the year 2020.
its just an overpriced MP3 player
I just asked a bunch of people about it and its like
wow. it has no future
Doesn't anyone on /. watch sports? This is something not suited to buying on DVD, or downloading. Yes, the lower (free) channels cover some of the sports, but ESPN 1 & 2 have to be bought. Am I not only the last 49-year-old slashdot virgin, but also the only one with a sports habit? Ok, strike that first question.
I come here for the love
Live TV is not dead. It just requires a live event to make you want to watch: sports, concerts, debates, fights, etc.
Communications is an eyes & ears business... Some media moguls understand this -- buying up or getting exclusive deals with sports teams & venues ensures revenue stream from eyeballs no matter how it happens.
Appointment TV is also not dead, it's just a bit different. For 12 million people, the season finale of Heroes is appointment-worthy. In an on-demand world, viewings just might be spread out across 2-3 days instead of a single hour.
-Stu
Jobs claimed the market didn't want subscription-based music. Well, I'm claiming the market doesn't want ala carte television. Music is less involving and doesn't lose much luster with repeated play. Video, on the other hand, usually gets stale after one or two viewings, moreso with television. Offer video subscriptions to iTunes and I think they'll start to see success.
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fuck commercials, infomercials, product placement techniques and otherwise.
fuck censorship in general and especially lite-versions of content.
fuck being force fed their mindless drivel, all under the guise of entertainment.
fuck the RIAA, MPAA, Tipper Gore, and all similar people and entities.
if I want to know what detergent is best I'll research it myself.
if I want to know what films are out and what to see I'll research it myself.
think for yourself.
lemmings are as lemmings do.
Yes because I can't stand what network censors do to movies. Additionally how much content is normally cut from a movie to put in commercials and still keep the movie at 2 hours?
Then again, I do subscribe to DirecTV and drink the occasional bottle of water. However, I have decent radio stations in my area so I have no need of XM radio.
Yes, I'd rather rent the show via Netflix or download it via iTunes to avoid the commercials. It's the main reason I have a DVR.
Has anyone considered this factor of the debate?
Whenever a report comes out that breaks down the cost of each can of Pepsi or a music CD or a new prescription drug, advertising is always the largest portion of the pie chart. If companies spent a little less on advertising, maybe product costs wouldn't be as high as they are.
Yes I realize that some products are new and need to be advertised. But companies selling products like Coke, Pepsi, Viagra, Budweiser, Miller, etc... They've been selling the same product for years. They are household names. People don't need to see 30 ads a day for your product. Cut back on the advertising and lower the product cost.
And for the love of god, pharmaceutical companies need to stop telling me to ask my doctor about their product. You know what? I don't want to be the one giving my doctor news of some new wonder drug. If I do, I'm sure as hell getting a new doctor. A doctor will either proscribe your product or its unadvertised generic that costs 1/10th what yours does. End of story.