Because the format didn't help with definitive answers to imperative questions like whether "our building might be on fire", even though the "experts" supplied the correct answer, sometimes immediately.
Question Subject: google headquarters, flammability of Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: mala-ga List Price: $2.00 Posted: 29 Sep 2004 16:06 PDT Expires: 29 Oct 2004 16:06 PDT Question ID: 408127
Is Google HQ on fire right now? My wife drove your campus and saw smoke. Are you guys okay? I can probably get a ladder if you need it.
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Comments Log in to add a comment Subject: Re: google headquarters, flammability of From: antfugue-ga on 30 Sep 2004 11:56 PDT
The city fire department was practicing on an abandoned building near Google HQ. Google HQ's Flamability Index remains unchanged.
I've been watching OpenLaszlo for a couple of years. I almost attended one of their (paid) tutorial seminars, but the price was too steep without knowing the value of the dev platform.
Can I really write a GUI app in OpenLaszlo that compiles cleanly to Java and Flash applets that run close to the same in respective VMs on PCs and mobiles/phones, as well as native apps? Or is it a meta version of Java's "Write Once, Test Everywhere", made intractable by the complexity of target platforms?
Which IDE is best, that attaches to CVS/SVN, and (any) groupware? And what are the worst limitations/compromises in using OpenLaszlo, rather than the native languages/IDEs?
Yes, but I'm just claiming ignorance. That doesn't mean there is no facility for declaration, against which (among other specs) the classloader (or the VM) validates the class on instantiation. Since the classloader would be useless without such a facility, it must exist, because it's used enough to indicate usability. Someone else must know, even though I don't.
QED, pronounced "talking the talk, not walking the walk".
There will be ClassNotFound exceptions when the loaded class is instantiated without classes to which it refers not being either preinstalled or downloaded at runtime. Both design flaws by the applet programmer, not the language. What's the alternative? Other than resolving symbols across the network, which is a job for a future runtime platform, and a future network with much less latency (like a quantum entangled one;).
I'm not sure how you declare the Person class before you instantiate it from the class loaded by the network. But I'm sure the classloader has that facility, or else it's totally useless. And since there are many programs using the classloader, it's apparently useful.
Typing the incoming class doesn't seem to be a big problem. Maintaining consistent namespaces can be a problem, but that's a reason the classes have a single namespace ensuring global uniqueness and identity, .. Why cast to a type, when you can just use the original type, called by name to the classloader?
City Councils are making pioneering tech policy decisions these days on open source, WiFi, broadband, and other tech procurement. But they're totally outclassed by marketing strategies that distort the facts on which decisions are made.
With all of the rigged numbers originating in incumbent market dominators showing up in city council policy and budget analyses, it's obvious the councils need guidance. I know that the NYC City Council doesn't have any resources with "BS logs" of ongoing vendor distortions, except for consultants like me. State/federal or even international organizations that serve the people administered by these city councils should produce research to weed out the lies. Sort of like a "City Council Consumer Reports". In the US, the GAO (now "Government Accountability Office"), or the Office of Management and Budget, or some team at Treasury at the federal level, could produce them. Or the state Comptroller. Or maybe a "City Councils Association", that could reach internationally.
Government is really big. In the US it's about 25% of our economy, though that includes the military (about 30% of total). So maybe these guidelines are already being produced, perhaps redundantly. The government response would be to produce similarly obscure guidelines on finding the guidelines. That's how government gets so big (especially the military). Is there a better way for City Councils to share wisdom, not just knowledge, about the information used to make these decisions?
Meteorite forensics (as I think of the broad field) seems a lot more interesting and healthy to me than the Star Wars missile defense industry that asteroid deflection research fronts for.
Which university? I look forward to seeing a lot more research in uncovering history of some of the most momentous (pun intended;) events in Earth's lifetime.
So if I ignore the security trying to stop me from boarding the plane with my large toothpaste tube, intending only to brush my teeth after dining on their airplane food, then I shouldn't be arrested? The criminal charges apply only to people boarding with criminal intent for their toothpaste?
Look, the charges against this guy are bogus. The criminals are the people in the TSA who treat us like dirt on a cop's beat, while leaving these gaping security holes for actual attackers to exploit. Who try to cover their asses by arresting people who out their incompetence. The whole simcurity industry is a mafia, shaking us down with fear and intimidation while leaving us undefended.
But the lawyers, judges and legislators who decide justice based on unknowable (philosophically, perhaps even nonexistent) "intent", are worse than criminals. They're destroying the entire rational basis for justice, based on testable evidence and disprovable legal theories, in favor of arbitrary mind reading. Even if they didn't "intend" to do that, they've done the damage.
Just like security rules can protect us only from actual acts and results, not forgive well-intentioned acts that might create insecurity anyway. Should the law allow me to bring my pressure-detonating bomb prototype on an airplane, just because it never occurred to me that it would destroy the plane in flight? What if I did that a few times? What if I just got on the plane so drunk that I abused the passengers, making a mess in the aisle, a few times a month on business trips, intending only to "relax" my nerves before the flight?
The law should protect us from too-risky actions and actual danger. Including the incompetent actions of the TSA which can't accept warnings from researchers that boarding passes are insecure. Not dwell in the imaginary world of "good intentions".
Possibly Java's greatest strategic feature is the classloader that can dynamically retrieve classes across the network at runtime and safely instantiate them. If Java had a standard API and data format for de/serializing UIs that accommodated their remote contexts, applets could become much smaller and dynamically bound to the UI facilities of their arbitrary runtime platforms. If these mobile UIs were componentized with a consistent internal API, applets could share UI elements among themselves on the same host. That architecture would not only reduce distribution size and increase flexibility, but it would promote reuse of the same UI components across applets, increasing user productivity with fewer learning curves.
If those APIs don't already exist, reusing an existing one, especially Flash, would offer possibilities for reusing existing components or patterns already populating the Net.
Java could increase its stature among distributed architectures. And make our lives easier.
No, you're cherrypicking facts, hiding the subjects to which you're referring, to find ways to justify your own extreme positions.
Your typical repressed denial projection is evident when you now criticize my manners, after you insulted me, excluding yourself from the privilege of being treated with full respect.
I have represented no extreme positions whatsoever. Unless saying that modern warfare has removed killers from the immediate scene, reducing their inhibition for cruelty and mayhem, is "extreme". In the real world, that is moderation.
You are an extremist. I don't want to hear another sick product of your twisted mind. You're welcome to respond with whatever further empty chatter you use to rationalize projecting your appetite for war. Don't expect me to care.
I hope that in my ignorant way I have helped walk with you further down that road. Until I started this discussion in this story I had never even heard of the Shiva Crater. The main "promoter" of the Shiva Crater seems to think there are several other similar craters that don't get the attention paid even the more obscure Shiva Crater. Maybe in the "meteorite forensics" community these artifacts are well known. But now I've doubled my knowledge of the evidence of the biggest, most recent celestial event to affect me.
Just fixing the coordinates of both craters would If the Chucxulib and Shiva craters can be dated to simultaneity, they might indicate two pieces of the same space object. Matching the composition of the sediment laid down by impact, such as the iridium signature that connected Chicxulub to the global extinction, could confirm as well. Shoemaker-Levy showed how meteorites can be broken up by gravity, but the Earth's gravity is much smaller than Jupiter's. And the 12h difference in impact time indicated by their opposite global sites indicates they'd broken up long before, and become separated somehow by megameters.
If their exact coordinates can be reconstructed after 65My of sediment and tectonic drift, there's probably some fascinating ballistics. Like almost establishing the plane in which the objects travelled, if their latitudes are consistent. If they're parts of a single object, and their remote separation point can be determined, and their relative momentums, their latitudinal separation could indicate the tilt of the Earth's rotational axis. Which would indicate the season, which would indicate the orientation of the Earth around the Sun, which might rule out some entry angles, blocked by planetary bodies.
Their separation distance is a riddle, if even closer to 180' opposite than their current distance (something like 175'). Perhaps including an offset from the Earth's solar orbit in the interval. That's a bizarre calibration to the Earth's orbital period. Or an even more bizarre (nearly impossible) scenario of simultaneous impact from precisely opposite directions.
This seems like a fascinating field. I look forward to seeing lots more of the original story told. And eventually some images of the streaks across the sky the doomed lizards might have seen, right before yielding to our great grandmothers.
If you don't know how many megatons of bombs the US has dumped on Iraq and Afghanistan from the air, you're not paying attention, you're insane, or you're just a liar. People like you are to blame for these remote control wars, because you refuse to believe what is being done in your name.
You do know that the US has been at war in Iraq for the past several years, right?
Why would I bother discussing anything in more detail when you're obviously full of shit, and would never listen to anything sensible, or offer anything?
The stupid crap people will say on these websites when they're safely out of range of reality, and the real people they're blathering at.
And your coincidence analyzer is measuring what, in what units, against what reference, exactly? Anyone going by "exp(pi*sqrt(163))" certainly has a lot to tell me about seeming pretty weird.
I don't know. I don't know the connotations of tails, or devil tails, to Mayans. But I'm curious. Personally, I think of the devil's tail as a lashing weapon, bringing an eruption of painful flame. And I think of dinosaurs as kinda diabolical in imagery, against an often hellish landscape. A meteorite could be the "tail end" of an event like the biggest shooting star ever, or the tail end of the dinosaur era. But those are my connotations, not necessarily the Mayans'.
I find it interesting that Mayans believe that devils have tails, like Europeans think. Maybe the town was named by Mayan Christians after European conquest. Still a funny coincidence.
I'm a skeptic, too, but I'm also a brainstormer. I'm not proposing anything that can be disproved. I'm just looking for connections, which can later have hypotheses formulated into a theory that could be disproved. This is Slashdot, not a serious scientific (or any other discipline) discussion site.
Mayans weren't just another civilization with astronomy. They had the most accurate astronomy of any preindustrial/preglobal culture, including Egypt (which aligned the Great Pyramid more accurately along the Earth's axis than did the British in setting the Greenwich Line a century ago). And they (apparently, according to our incomplete evidence) prioritized study of the Pleiades, unlike any other astronomer civilization of which we know. Despite the greater prominence of other star systems in the mutual sky. And the Mayans were the only ones of these astronomer civilizations of which we know to build on the unique (except perhaps the Shiva Cater in the Indian Ocean) impact site of the biggest astronomical event to affect the Earth.
Another possible coincidence is that the Pleiades are known in Mayan as "Tz'ab", or "rattlesnake's tail". Which resonates with "the end of the lizard age". The town now at the middle of the crater is called "Chicxulub", which means in Mayan "the devil's tail".
These are all connected coincidences only if the meteorite is connected with the Pleiades. Which is why I wondered if we could find the sky region from which the meterorite apparently came.
As in "wouldn't that be an interesting coincidence?" Those words are often the beginning of fruitful scientific investigations. After that, after the brainstorming we're currently in, the skepticism is most useful for separating coincidence from correlation and causality. But we're not there, yet. Not enough facts to even hypothesize, let alone disprove.
The coincidence is that the people who 65My later peopled the site of the buried meteorite developed the most sophisticated astronomy of any preindustrial (preglobal) civilization.
There are other coincidences, but that's a pretty interesting one. The town of Chicxulub is in the middle of the crater. Chicxulub is Mayan for "devil's tail".
I'm not proposing how Mayans could have been aware of the meteor, which seems practically impossible. That doesn't mean the other coincidences aren't interesting. To the contrary, it makes the coincidences more interesting.
Thanks for fixing my math to find the required frequency. I'm looking for the energy delivered to the levitating person, not the required electric energy to produce it, because an electrical speaker isn't necessarily the power source.
How much power does, say, Pavarotti's loudest singing in the 57Hz range (50-60Hz) deliver at, say, 10m? Maybe we're talking kilopavarottis.
I've looked at the night sky from the top of Chichen Itza, among other Mayan locations. There are lots of other more conspicuous sky features, but the Mayans seem (as far as we can tell from scant evidence) to have really prioritized that particular feature, not even a separate constellation in many other contemporary tropical cultures.
What part of "rattlesnake" and "extinct lizards" doesn't seem connected to you? And what specific interpreation am I "throwing on the ancient Mayans"? I haven't mentioned any symbolic meaning, but rather a literal connection between two possible
And where do you get off dissing "street freaks - high on the occult and supernatural" for "projecting their anxieties on the perceptions they have", when you're Anonymously asserting uncited denials that dinosaurs weren't lizards, because it's "just a theory"?
Anonymous denial Coward, you can cherrypick science all you want, in your own biased investigations. But don't spit your venom on me.
TrollMods can't argue with that analysis, because it's all valid and true. So they anonymously try to suppress the truth. Your basic "Communists" at work.
How about a GPL Java applet that implements an IAX2 client (Asterisk softphone), without any of the proprietary requirements of the few I've seen?
Web browsers are old hat for programmers, and not very sexy for generating corporate action. Softphones are to 2006 what browsers were to 1995. Opera does a good job with lightweight browsers, and wants the mobile/embedded market. Where's it's HTTP/IAX client, that could put it ahead, instead of forever catching up?
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I've been watching OpenLaszlo for a couple of years. I almost attended one of their (paid) tutorial seminars, but the price was too steep without knowing the value of the dev platform.
Can I really write a GUI app in OpenLaszlo that compiles cleanly to Java and Flash applets that run close to the same in respective VMs on PCs and mobiles/phones, as well as native apps? Or is it a meta version of Java's "Write Once, Test Everywhere", made intractable by the complexity of target platforms?
Which IDE is best, that attaches to CVS/SVN, and (any) groupware? And what are the worst limitations/compromises in using OpenLaszlo, rather than the native languages/IDEs?
Yes, but I'm just claiming ignorance. That doesn't mean there is no facility for declaration, against which (among other specs) the classloader (or the VM) validates the class on instantiation. Since the classloader would be useless without such a facility, it must exist, because it's used enough to indicate usability. Someone else must know, even though I don't.
QED, pronounced "talking the talk, not walking the walk".
There will be ClassNotFound exceptions when the loaded class is instantiated without classes to which it refers not being either preinstalled or downloaded at runtime. Both design flaws by the applet programmer, not the language. What's the alternative? Other than resolving symbols across the network, which is a job for a future runtime platform, and a future network with much less latency (like a quantum entangled one ;).
I'm not sure how you declare the Person class before you instantiate it from the class loaded by the network. But I'm sure the classloader has that facility, or else it's totally useless. And since there are many programs using the classloader, it's apparently useful.
Typing the incoming class doesn't seem to be a big problem. Maintaining consistent namespaces can be a problem, but that's a reason the classes have a single namespace ensuring global uniqueness and identity, .. Why cast to a type, when you can just use the original type, called by name to the classloader?
City Councils are making pioneering tech policy decisions these days on open source, WiFi, broadband, and other tech procurement. But they're totally outclassed by marketing strategies that distort the facts on which decisions are made.
With all of the rigged numbers originating in incumbent market dominators showing up in city council policy and budget analyses, it's obvious the councils need guidance. I know that the NYC City Council doesn't have any resources with "BS logs" of ongoing vendor distortions, except for consultants like me. State/federal or even international organizations that serve the people administered by these city councils should produce research to weed out the lies. Sort of like a "City Council Consumer Reports". In the US, the GAO (now "Government Accountability Office"), or the Office of Management and Budget, or some team at Treasury at the federal level, could produce them. Or the state Comptroller. Or maybe a "City Councils Association", that could reach internationally.
Government is really big. In the US it's about 25% of our economy, though that includes the military (about 30% of total). So maybe these guidelines are already being produced, perhaps redundantly. The government response would be to produce similarly obscure guidelines on finding the guidelines. That's how government gets so big (especially the military). Is there a better way for City Councils to share wisdom, not just knowledge, about the information used to make these decisions?
Meteorite forensics (as I think of the broad field) seems a lot more interesting and healthy to me than the Star Wars missile defense industry that asteroid deflection research fronts for.
;) events in Earth's lifetime.
Which university? I look forward to seeing a lot more research in uncovering history of some of the most momentous (pun intended
So if I ignore the security trying to stop me from boarding the plane with my large toothpaste tube, intending only to brush my teeth after dining on their airplane food, then I shouldn't be arrested? The criminal charges apply only to people boarding with criminal intent for their toothpaste?
Look, the charges against this guy are bogus. The criminals are the people in the TSA who treat us like dirt on a cop's beat, while leaving these gaping security holes for actual attackers to exploit. Who try to cover their asses by arresting people who out their incompetence. The whole simcurity industry is a mafia, shaking us down with fear and intimidation while leaving us undefended.
But the lawyers, judges and legislators who decide justice based on unknowable (philosophically, perhaps even nonexistent) "intent", are worse than criminals. They're destroying the entire rational basis for justice, based on testable evidence and disprovable legal theories, in favor of arbitrary mind reading. Even if they didn't "intend" to do that, they've done the damage.
Just like security rules can protect us only from actual acts and results, not forgive well-intentioned acts that might create insecurity anyway. Should the law allow me to bring my pressure-detonating bomb prototype on an airplane, just because it never occurred to me that it would destroy the plane in flight? What if I did that a few times? What if I just got on the plane so drunk that I abused the passengers, making a mess in the aisle, a few times a month on business trips, intending only to "relax" my nerves before the flight?
The law should protect us from too-risky actions and actual danger. Including the incompetent actions of the TSA which can't accept warnings from researchers that boarding passes are insecure. Not dwell in the imaginary world of "good intentions".
Possibly Java's greatest strategic feature is the classloader that can dynamically retrieve classes across the network at runtime and safely instantiate them. If Java had a standard API and data format for de/serializing UIs that accommodated their remote contexts, applets could become much smaller and dynamically bound to the UI facilities of their arbitrary runtime platforms. If these mobile UIs were componentized with a consistent internal API, applets could share UI elements among themselves on the same host. That architecture would not only reduce distribution size and increase flexibility, but it would promote reuse of the same UI components across applets, increasing user productivity with fewer learning curves.
If those APIs don't already exist, reusing an existing one, especially Flash, would offer possibilities for reusing existing components or patterns already populating the Net.
Java could increase its stature among distributed architectures. And make our lives easier.
No, you're cherrypicking facts, hiding the subjects to which you're referring, to find ways to justify your own extreme positions.
Your typical repressed denial projection is evident when you now criticize my manners, after you insulted me, excluding yourself from the privilege of being treated with full respect.
I have represented no extreme positions whatsoever. Unless saying that modern warfare has removed killers from the immediate scene, reducing their inhibition for cruelty and mayhem, is "extreme". In the real world, that is moderation.
You are an extremist. I don't want to hear another sick product of your twisted mind. You're welcome to respond with whatever further empty chatter you use to rationalize projecting your appetite for war. Don't expect me to care.
I hope that in my ignorant way I have helped walk with you further down that road. Until I started this discussion in this story I had never even heard of the Shiva Crater. The main "promoter" of the Shiva Crater seems to think there are several other similar craters that don't get the attention paid even the more obscure Shiva Crater. Maybe in the "meteorite forensics" community these artifacts are well known. But now I've doubled my knowledge of the evidence of the biggest, most recent celestial event to affect me.
Just fixing the coordinates of both craters would
If the Chucxulib and Shiva craters can be dated to simultaneity, they might indicate two pieces of the same space object. Matching the composition of the sediment laid down by impact, such as the iridium signature that connected Chicxulub to the global extinction, could confirm as well. Shoemaker-Levy showed how meteorites can be broken up by gravity, but the Earth's gravity is much smaller than Jupiter's. And the 12h difference in impact time indicated by their opposite global sites indicates they'd broken up long before, and become separated somehow by megameters.
If their exact coordinates can be reconstructed after 65My of sediment and tectonic drift, there's probably some fascinating ballistics. Like almost establishing the plane in which the objects travelled, if their latitudes are consistent. If they're parts of a single object, and their remote separation point can be determined, and their relative momentums, their latitudinal separation could indicate the tilt of the Earth's rotational axis. Which would indicate the season, which would indicate the orientation of the Earth around the Sun, which might rule out some entry angles, blocked by planetary bodies.
Their separation distance is a riddle, if even closer to 180' opposite than their current distance (something like 175'). Perhaps including an offset from the Earth's solar orbit in the interval. That's a bizarre calibration to the Earth's orbital period. Or an even more bizarre (nearly impossible) scenario of simultaneous impact from precisely opposite directions.
This seems like a fascinating field. I look forward to seeing lots more of the original story told. And eventually some images of the streaks across the sky the doomed lizards might have seen, right before yielding to our great grandmothers.
Facts? You don't know anything about facts.
If you don't know how many megatons of bombs the US has dumped on Iraq and Afghanistan from the air, you're not paying attention, you're insane, or you're just a liar. People like you are to blame for these remote control wars, because you refuse to believe what is being done in your name.
You do know that the US has been at war in Iraq for the past several years, right?
Why would I bother discussing anything in more detail when you're obviously full of shit, and would never listen to anything sensible, or offer anything?
The stupid crap people will say on these websites when they're safely out of range of reality, and the real people they're blathering at.
Copernicus, Galileo and Newton had nothing on Mayan astronomy.
And the rest of your snide remark, the majority of your comment, merely reiterates what I've said myself, as if it were somehow a criticism.
You know, if I look at this post just right, it looks like the end of this conversation.
And your coincidence analyzer is measuring what, in what units, against what reference, exactly? Anyone going by "exp(pi*sqrt(163))" certainly has a lot to tell me about seeming pretty weird.
Does the apparently similar Shiva Crater, at apparently approximately the same latitude, but (almost exactly 180') across the planet, offer any clues?
I don't know. I don't know the connotations of tails, or devil tails, to Mayans. But I'm curious. Personally, I think of the devil's tail as a lashing weapon, bringing an eruption of painful flame. And I think of dinosaurs as kinda diabolical in imagery, against an often hellish landscape. A meteorite could be the "tail end" of an event like the biggest shooting star ever, or the tail end of the dinosaur era. But those are my connotations, not necessarily the Mayans'.
I find it interesting that Mayans believe that devils have tails, like Europeans think. Maybe the town was named by Mayan Christians after European conquest. Still a funny coincidence.
I'm a skeptic, too, but I'm also a brainstormer. I'm not proposing anything that can be disproved. I'm just looking for connections, which can later have hypotheses formulated into a theory that could be disproved. This is Slashdot, not a serious scientific (or any other discipline) discussion site.
Mayans weren't just another civilization with astronomy. They had the most accurate astronomy of any preindustrial/preglobal culture, including Egypt (which aligned the Great Pyramid more accurately along the Earth's axis than did the British in setting the Greenwich Line a century ago). And they (apparently, according to our incomplete evidence) prioritized study of the Pleiades, unlike any other astronomer civilization of which we know. Despite the greater prominence of other star systems in the mutual sky. And the Mayans were the only ones of these astronomer civilizations of which we know to build on the unique (except perhaps the Shiva Cater in the Indian Ocean) impact site of the biggest astronomical event to affect the Earth.
Another possible coincidence is that the Pleiades are known in Mayan as "Tz'ab", or "rattlesnake's tail". Which resonates with "the end of the lizard age". The town now at the middle of the crater is called "Chicxulub", which means in Mayan "the devil's tail".
These are all connected coincidences only if the meteorite is connected with the Pleiades. Which is why I wondered if we could find the sky region from which the meterorite apparently came.
As in "wouldn't that be an interesting coincidence?" Those words are often the beginning of fruitful scientific investigations. After that, after the brainstorming we're currently in, the skepticism is most useful for separating coincidence from correlation and causality. But we're not there, yet. Not enough facts to even hypothesize, let alone disprove.
The coincidence is that the people who 65My later peopled the site of the buried meteorite developed the most sophisticated astronomy of any preindustrial (preglobal) civilization.
There are other coincidences, but that's a pretty interesting one. The town of Chicxulub is in the middle of the crater. Chicxulub is Mayan for "devil's tail".
I'm not proposing how Mayans could have been aware of the meteor, which seems practically impossible. That doesn't mean the other coincidences aren't interesting. To the contrary, it makes the coincidences more interesting.
Thanks for fixing my math to find the required frequency. I'm looking for the energy delivered to the levitating person, not the required electric energy to produce it, because an electrical speaker isn't necessarily the power source.
How much power does, say, Pavarotti's loudest singing in the 57Hz range (50-60Hz) deliver at, say, 10m? Maybe we're talking kilopavarottis.
I've looked at the night sky from the top of Chichen Itza, among other Mayan locations. There are lots of other more conspicuous sky features, but the Mayans seem (as far as we can tell from scant evidence) to have really prioritized that particular feature, not even a separate constellation in many other contemporary tropical cultures.
What part of "rattlesnake" and "extinct lizards" doesn't seem connected to you? And what specific interpreation am I "throwing on the ancient Mayans"? I haven't mentioned any symbolic meaning, but rather a literal connection between two possible
And where do you get off dissing "street freaks - high on the occult and supernatural" for "projecting their anxieties on the perceptions they have", when you're Anonymously asserting uncited denials that dinosaurs weren't lizards, because it's "just a theory"?
Anonymous denial Coward, you can cherrypick science all you want, in your own biased investigations. But don't spit your venom on me.
Does the condition of the buried crater, possibly indicating 3D angle of impact, help any? At least in narrowing down azimuth, perhaps?
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TrollMods can't argue with that analysis, because it's all valid and true. So they anonymously try to suppress the truth. Your basic "Communists" at work.
Here's a whole book on how to indict Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and Powell before a Grand Jury.
How about a GPL Java applet that implements an IAX2 client (Asterisk softphone), without any of the proprietary requirements of the few I've seen?
Web browsers are old hat for programmers, and not very sexy for generating corporate action. Softphones are to 2006 what browsers were to 1995. Opera does a good job with lightweight browsers, and wants the mobile/embedded market. Where's it's HTTP/IAX client, that could put it ahead, instead of forever catching up?
To which Turner replied, "OK, I'm Microsoft now, so I can be a customer by buying out Novell's strategic assets, like its patent licenses. How much?"
We know the rest.