will they start takling about the new revolutionary 16, 32, 64, 128 etc bit systems? Will we finally see the Intel64?
this will bring isssues like if NEC comes out with a system that has 2 128 bit processors, is it a 256bit system? Bitness is where it is folks. Im'm glad Intel finally got it.
I was talking about the 2.4.x kernel. Hence my questions on 2.6.x.
with regards to the "premption points", AFIK the 2.4.x kernel with the premptive hack in the kernel oly supported premption of opeation at certain predefiend points and not at arbitrarily.
WTF why is this troll. Anyone familair with changes in this kernel know if it has true preemption yet? or is it still using the preemption points hack that was put in 2.4.x ? I was hoping someone could answer.
and anyone familair with the way something like Solaris works knows how primitive the thread support in linux is.
and the new scheduler is quite controversial, i wouldnt be surprised if they return to the previous one later
Moderators mod this back up. Questioning and being critical of a part of the OS that is lacking != troll.
does linux have true preemption in the kernel yet? or are they still using the ugly hack with preemption points?
There a ton of dumb things that i can put up with in the OS like the truly horrid thread support ( which uses the system scheduler), the lack of a userlevel scheduler (and thus slow as hell) and the O(1) scheduler that is just round robin! but the lack of preemption is one of the things that made me move to OS X instead. oh yeah, and darwin does threading correctly.
i think better would be to preemptively strike machines on the internet that are zombies. There should be bots when scour the net and look for these machines and then direct and attack on them before some DDOSer has the ability to use it. Either that or attack the ISP of the machine. The intention would be to force ISPs to make sure that machines on their networks are not zombies (ie scan in your own network regularly). Additionally, it would force off the net machines/people who should reall not be there (unpathched win machines)
and they can safely use BSD. That is what i did for my girlfriend. Solved all of her problems.
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Having switched from linux over the summer i can say these are a small sample of things the things that make it great: 1. its a Unix clone.. comes with all the strengths 2. It has a very well designed, clean and consistent UI 3. Its so intuitive that your ganma can use it (try it..) 4. It allows you to run MS office, Photoshop , dreamweaver and tons of other commercial apps alongside your Unix apps like apache, smb, namp etc. 5. You can run X windows apps but turn it off when your dont need it and can run pretty much any (non hardware dependent)app linux can. 6. OSX boxes can emulate i386 very fast the reverse does not exist yet 7. All development tools are free (gcc) and very easy to use GUIs(Xcode) 8. The development API (cocoa) is open and cross platform (GNUstep, openstep) 9. Very good 3rd party hardware support. 10. Fantastic applications like ilife apps, itunes etc that make windows users gawk.
For an example of the last point, have granma install a digital camera and import pics on a PC (drivers, reboot, 3rd party apps etc) then do it on a mac (plug it in) or granma rip a cd, burn a cd burn picture cds etc. (get the point)
in the end my mac is rock solid, fast and i dont have to think about anything other than the task at hand when i am using it (saves lots of time)
in the end, calling it "the best of both worlds" (linux+win) is an understatement but close to what it is.
Im sorry but i have to call you on this. A modern OS usually supports things such as paging, virtual memory, protection, support for multi threaded and multi process operation along with a whole host of other things im not mentioning. Want to see a modern os look at OSX or Solaris non modern MSDOS, old unixes etc.
and no, windows ans OSX are certainly OSes not just desktop enviromnets.. take a look at what is in the kernel level in these OSes. The analogy windows+GUI : linux+X does not apply. Linux can run without X windows cant without GUI. The windowing enviroment is in the kernel level and is an integral part of the OS
when you think of cars as an analogy (as it is popular in OSS forums), you begin to understand how bizzare this is. Say ford make a car and toyota makes a car. There is no reason to include parts made my a competetior in your car. You are free to add them later, but the seller shoudl not be forced to add it. Just because toyota wants a bit of fords market in say.. wipers, shoudl not force ford to include them as an option.
I think people dont understand what a modern OS is. An OS is nolonger just the kernel and a few program to run on it. When you look at OSX, Windows you see that the OS is more a collection of programs and tools that run on your kernel to make using your computer easier.
notice how some of the earlier incarnations of what became OSX show the about box and has teh words "pentium" on them.. i wonder... also i wonder where the windows version is of some of the stuff is now. This guy is obviously using it on win xp.
couldnt i just take nmap, add one line of code ( a comment) and release it under the GPL? wouldn't anything anyone else says be invalid after that.. since after all, the code if free for all:)
dude kerry is richer than you think. If elected he will be the third richest president in history. Beaten only by Washington and JKF. Kerry's family owns one big multinational company. You may have heard of it, its called Heinz Foods. I think it is something that should be mentioned if you are going to talk about rich people.
Yes, i have a link to back it up Here. Electing kerry is almost like electing Heinz foods.
DES is a great example of the NSA working for the general bebefit of the public. Im sure everyone uses DES all the time and doesnt realize that NSA has the major contibuter to that project. Granted no one has really been able to figure out why the DES encryption works they way it does (see DES boxes) it is still a great encryption tool that has not been broken ( for those morons who say DES is broken, read a book).
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will they start takling about the new revolutionary 16, 32, 64, 128 etc bit systems? Will we finally see the Intel64?
this will bring isssues like if NEC comes out with a system that has 2 128 bit processors, is it a 256bit system? Bitness is where it is folks. Im'm glad Intel finally got it.
you can actually download the source for the .net libaries and c# compiler for linux, OSX, BSD etc from the MS website and build it yourself.
I was talking about the 2.4.x kernel. Hence my questions on 2.6.x. with regards to the "premption points", AFIK the 2.4.x kernel with the premptive hack in the kernel oly supported premption of opeation at certain predefiend points and not at arbitrarily.
WTF why is this troll. Anyone familair with changes in this kernel know if it has true preemption yet? or is it still using the preemption points hack that was put in 2.4.x ?
I was hoping someone could answer. and anyone familair with the way something like Solaris works knows how primitive the thread support in linux is.
and the new scheduler is quite controversial, i wouldnt be surprised if they return to the previous one later
Moderators mod this back up. Questioning and being critical of a part of the OS that is lacking != troll.
does linux have true preemption in the kernel yet? or are they still using the ugly hack with preemption points?
There a ton of dumb things that i can put up with in the OS like the truly horrid thread support ( which uses the system scheduler), the lack of a userlevel scheduler (and thus slow as hell) and the O(1) scheduler that is just round robin! but the lack of preemption is one of the things that made me move to OS X instead. oh yeah, and darwin does threading correctly.
i think better would be to preemptively strike machines on the internet that are zombies. There should be bots when scour the net and look for these machines and then direct and attack on them before some DDOSer has the ability to use it. Either that or attack the ISP of the machine. The intention would be to force ISPs to make sure that machines on their networks are not zombies (ie scan in your own network regularly). Additionally, it would force off the net machines/people who should reall not be there (unpathched win machines)
and they can safely use BSD. That is what i did for my girlfriend. Solved all of her problems.
Having switched from linux over the summer i can say these are a small sample of things the things that make it great:
1. its a Unix clone.. comes with all the strengths
2. It has a very well designed, clean and consistent UI
3. Its so intuitive that your ganma can use it (try it..)
4. It allows you to run MS office, Photoshop , dreamweaver and tons of other commercial apps alongside your Unix apps like apache, smb, namp etc.
5. You can run X windows apps but turn it off when your dont need it and can run pretty much any (non hardware dependent)app linux can.
6. OSX boxes can emulate i386 very fast the reverse does not exist yet
7. All development tools are free (gcc) and very easy to use GUIs(Xcode)
8. The development API (cocoa) is open and cross platform (GNUstep, openstep)
9. Very good 3rd party hardware support.
10. Fantastic applications like ilife apps, itunes etc that make windows users gawk.
For an example of the last point, have granma install a digital camera and import pics on a PC (drivers, reboot, 3rd party apps etc) then do it on a mac (plug it in) or granma rip a cd, burn a cd burn picture cds etc. (get the point)
in the end my mac is rock solid, fast and i dont have to think about anything other than the task at hand when i am using it (saves lots of time)
in the end, calling it "the best of both worlds" (linux+win) is an understatement but close to what it is.
There is actually no such thing as a "modern OS".
Im sorry but i have to call you on this. A modern OS usually supports things such as paging, virtual memory, protection, support for multi threaded and multi process operation along with a whole host of other things im not mentioning. Want to see a modern os look at OSX or Solaris non modern MSDOS, old unixes etc.
and no, windows ans OSX are certainly OSes not just desktop enviromnets.. take a look at what is in the kernel level in these OSes. The analogy windows+GUI : linux+X does not apply. Linux can run without X windows cant without GUI. The windowing enviroment is in the kernel level and is an integral part of the OS
when you think of cars as an analogy (as it is popular in OSS forums), you begin to understand how bizzare this is. Say ford make a car and toyota makes a car. There is no reason to include parts made my a competetior in your car. You are free to add them later, but the seller shoudl not be forced to add it. Just because toyota wants a bit of fords market in say.. wipers, shoudl not force ford to include them as an option.
I think people dont understand what a modern OS is. An OS is nolonger just the kernel and a few program to run on it. When you look at OSX, Windows you see that the OS is more a collection of programs and tools that run on your kernel to make using your computer easier.
well isuspec the reviewer has a copy of it, he is obviousy running it for the screenshot
the screenshots in question are: rhapsody on intel
Yellow box on XP
notice how some of the earlier incarnations of what became OSX show the about box and has teh words "pentium" on them .. i wonder... also i wonder where the windows version is of some of the stuff is now. This guy is obviously using it on win xp.
if you think PGP is unbreakable you are asking for trouble. PGP is not unbreakable.
i find the exclusion of mail.app preplexing. It is a free unix mail program that is extremely popular and has a very unique and intuitive interface.
funny, media player certainly works fine on OSX new update is quite nice..
couldnt i just take nmap, add one line of code ( a comment) and release it under the GPL? wouldn't anything anyone else says be invalid after that .. since after all, the code if free for all :)
damn this article looks familair..
dude kerry is richer than you think. If elected he will be the third richest president in history. Beaten only by Washington and JKF. Kerry's family owns one big multinational company. You may have heard of it, its called Heinz Foods. I think it is something that should be mentioned if you are going to talk about rich people.
Yes, i have a link to back it up
Here. Electing kerry is almost like electing Heinz foods.
umm, yes this is why there are free versions of IE for Mac and Solaris...
IIRC apple has 5% of the desktop linux has 1%
heh believe a book written by the EFF. Also, i think they are talking about just 56bit DES lets seem them do that to 3DES.
DES is 56 bits becasue is was designed for use with DES cards not software. 56 bits was ideal for them backthen.
DES is a great example of the NSA working for the general bebefit of the public. Im sure everyone uses DES all the time and doesnt realize that NSA has the major contibuter to that project. Granted no one has really been able to figure out why the DES encryption works they way it does (see DES boxes) it is still a great encryption tool that has not been broken ( for those morons who say DES is broken, read a book).
one of the coolest gov agncies. Think really smart geeks working in secret for the greater good :)