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Linux Kernel 2.6.4 Released
justinarthur writes "The Linux kernel version 2.6.4 has been released at 03:16 UTC. Included in the changes from version 2.6.3 are fixes to XFS support, Wide Area Networking, USB connectivity, and IEEE1394 connectivity. To download a copy, it is recommended that one utilizes a Linux Kernel Archives mirror. Linus Torvalds' announcement to the Linux Kernel Mailing list concerning this release is available here." Reader k-zed points out that Linux 1.0 was released in March 1994, ten years ago.
Hmm.. I don't see it on ftp.sco.com yet. What lousy service for $699.
Trolling is a art,
10 years and that guy is only on version 2?
Linus, or Bagle and Netsky......
Does it run Linux?
(Ok, sorry. I know its not funny anymore.)
"...a generation of kids has grown up thinking Trance is the shittiest music since country and western." - Paul van Dyk
... hasn't even gotten finished compiling the last 2.6 kernel release *grumbling* *adding yet another patch to my to-do list*
... I was thinking "I don't need this kernel upgrade, 2.6.3 has been working great for me..." I find in the changelog:
[IRDA]: Add stir4200 driver.
doh... finally added support for one of my usb-irda dongles.
Damn.
FLR
Remove sooper sekret SCO IP?
I have discovered a truly marvelous sig, unfortunately the sig limit is too small to contain i
The name of this release amongst the core developers was "Heathen Chemistry.". Alan Cox came up with it - it's was inside joke about british pop/rock phenomenon.
has there been any talk of removing the alleged SCO code? or rumors? i guess linus wouldn't make a statement about it now, since there's the lawsuit going on
Oh no! Someone leaked their source! Call Microsoft, maybe they can help track down who leaked this to the internet...
oh, wait... nevermind.
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usermode linux runs linux on linux.
So, the answer is yes.
Odd. I'm still stuck on my 2.4.xx version. I tried to upgrade a few distros to 2.6 and things didn't go very well (kernel panic)
It seems to me that the number of users who have picked up 2.6 x compared to the number that picked up 2.4 from 2.2 has greatly diminished on many of the distro mailing lists. From this it seems that either the migration is uglier than anticipated, or that more people are just willing to sit back and wait for their distro to provide them with all their needs.
Who will be the first to ship kernel 2.6 by default?
this is the first time i've installed the kernel and had it running before the slashdot announcement!
i just checked the new one after lunch. blasted centrino ultralights need all this new stuff in them.
I think i'll go celebrate "I beat slashdot's unnecessary kernel release announcement day!"
Wonder if we'll see reiser4 in 2.6.
You can test it now, but it is very experimental.
Maybee they'll merge it with 2.7
I haven't gotten 2.6.3 compiled yet, and here comes 2.6.4. Hell, I'm still running 2.6.0-gentoo. What's with this heightened release schedule? I mean, gcc is only so fast on my machine.
This is not the sig you're looking for.
2.6.4-rc1 ChangeLog:
d .org/msg58421.html
[libata] catch, and ack, spurious DMA interrupts
Hardware issue on Intel ICH5 requires an additional ack sequence over and above the normal IDE DMA interrupt ack requirements. Issue described in post to freebsd list: http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-stable@freebs
Since the bug workaround only requires a single additional PIO or MMIO read in the interrupt handler, it is applied to all chipsets using the standard libata interrupt handler.
Credit for research the issue, creating the patch, and testing the patch all go to Jon Burgess.
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Woo, this is very exciting. If you had problems with SATA & ICH5... this probably fixes those problems.
I aimed the Preview button ;)
.2 to .4 for example? IE: Im running on 2.4.20 and everything works fine. For the kernel I apply the "its not broke, dont fix it" rule.. but Im just curious!
On a more serious note, maybe this was asked before many times, but whats the real benefit of upgrading from
"...a generation of kids has grown up thinking Trance is the shittiest music since country and western." - Paul van Dyk
i hope i can get an rpm later for MDK 10
cause i think they use some odd kernel hacks
i guess however it does give mandrake time to prepare for the proper release as there will be enough reasons now for people to want to upgrade to the standard retail release.
will this kernel be available in cooker?
spend money here
I see a lot of new kernel releases which is great because it provides fixes and shows the work of a growing OS being done but is updating the kernel everytime it comes out only for hardcore users?
Sure I could update it everytime, but will I benefit from it if I'm just joe schmoe user and everything is running fine(no cricital patches needed)?
Black cat, searing pain, flames...? I must be in Heaven! - Homer Simpson
all it needs now is some love and it'll be ready for my machine.
Copy down the numbers from the kernel panic.
I know it's a pain, but we really need this.
If you're terribly lazy, just get EIP, ESP,
and any names you see.
Mail that to linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org and
expect a few questions about your hardware.
That's not so difficult, is it? This gets the
bug fixed so that the next release will run on
your system.
Maybe you mean the desktop experience? That's provided by KDE/GNOME/fluxbox whatever, and it's very clear what innovation is going on there if you look at KDE 3.2 vs KDE 1 (for example).
Experimental ebuilds of 2.6.4 are avaliable for Gentoo. Remember, these are still in the "~", so upgrade at your own risk. 2.6.3 is in stable gentoo though, so get that if you want to upgrade to 2.6 safely.
do we have native SATA support? that empty 10 gig partition on my Raptor is gathering dust. heh.
(don't respond with replies telling me to recompile a kernal with the sata drivers built in... I'm a total linux kn0b. trying to learn, but since getting the raptor, I've been using a LNX-BBC off of CD)
I got 2.6.4 compiled installed in under 5 minutes. It's working great. No problems here.
no "imagine a beow.. clust.. of these" ? You are sooo slowing down
In the OSS world, major releases are counted in the minor numbers, so 2.6 is what a commercial company would have called 26.
Aren't you confusing kernel and distribution? Microsoft Windows is like a distribution (it's a complete running system). How different are Slackware 1 and Slackware 9 for instance?
;-)
If you looked at what's happened to the NT kernel during those 10 years, I reckon it would also look like "10 years of incremental patches". Apart from the graphics renderer turning up in it, that is
I believe that you are a clueless person when it comes to Linux and have a bias of you own. I also think that you are a troll. Windows XP is no better than Linux at just letting you run. Have you run a current Linux distro like Mandrake, SuSE, et all ? If not then you should try it and then comment. If you have, share you problems. I think that you have not, and you just want to troll. Ya got me though.
How sad that I first set up an ethernet lan with linux in 1995 at college, yet my network I run at work uses windows 'cause I have to use applications that run only on windwows.
whois "www.tiki-hut.com"
remember the 3 degrees theory when it first came out in '95?
any techies from capitol college in laurel maryland lets get a journal goin on slashdotI have been getting USB Error messages with 2.4.25 and 2.6.3 about my UHCI controller being halted and some -110 error with my mouse. Strangly enough my USB card supports both OHCI and UHCI and only uses the OHCI controller (cat /proc/interrupts shows no UHCI activity). I hope this Kernel will fix whatever is going on because for me it's either a USB mouse or plug one into the serial port (no ps/2 port.)
At least when I plug in a USB mouse into a Linux Box it doesn't care what port it's plugged into. If I change what port the mouse is plugged into on Windows 98 however, first tells me there is no mouse, then it will detect new hardware, then it finds the USB mouse in the other USB port. One of my friends complained about the same problem on his system which is running a newer, better version of Windows.
Losing faith in humanity one person at a time.
Dude, this is the *kernel* it's not a GUI...
Take a look at KDE and Gnome over the years and you'll see how they've become more idiot proof with each release. They're a hell of a lot younger than the Windows GUI, but IMO, they're at Windows 98/ME level of user friendliness and gaining quickly on XP and Mac OS X.
Its kinda funny, I run windows on one of my machines, and I'm constantly installing patches. Not to mention my 3 BIG patches the ones that cost me a hundred or so dallors. My 98 - 2000 patch and my 2000 to xp patch. The process is still the same, the only difference is the linux changes come bit by bit instead of in a bulk jump on a cd. Personally, i would rather get my updates in small increments. That why I can pick and choose what updates I want. If 2.6.4 doesnt add anything I need, maybe I'll hold off to the next one. And besides, it beats spending cash.
There is a high proportion of posts here (when I'm writing this, at least) highlighting the difficulties of upgrading the kernel to 2.6.4. Surely, until there's an easy and foolproof way of doing this, the up-take of linux as a desktop OS is going to be slower. Whether microsoft do a better job in windows is debatable, but the bottom line is, it takes 30 minutes to install a service pack (which can change any functionality in windows, so it's a comparable procedure), and after the upgrade, 99.9% of machines function fine.
It's things like this that puts "normal" people and companies off using Linux on the desktop. To linux guys and developers it's not a big deal, but imagine if you were some granny somewhere - it'd scare the pants off you and if something went wrong, nigh-on impossible to fix.
It's the robustness and cohesion of linux that needs addressing. Once that's attained to a sufficient level, system-wide upgrades can be effected. When I say robustness I don't mean operationally (there's no doubt nothing is more robust), but when it comes to doing anything to the OS. That's when the "fun" starts :-P
Again, this isn't pro-microsoft and anti-linux. This is just an immediate reaction to seeing the posts trickle in to this discussion.
I am waiting on 2.6.4.5.4.333a I hear there will be good things with that.
Is there a handy place to find a listing of ALL changes since 2.6.0? I missed the change logs for a couple version and am trying to figure out if my nforce2 stuff was ever added (wasn't in 2.6.1).
Cogito ergo sum in Slashdot.
Or ... maybe linux developers don't care for Joe user. I know, you are a troll, but to the mods that made you insightful (since the comment per se isn't) goes this:
Linux is a lot more than a set of "incremental patches". It has been rewritten over and over, not completely but large chunks at a time. Linux will never beat Windows un the Joe User category, because that's not the objective. If Linux was ever to become the prevalent OS I'm pretty sure most of us would stop using it. Not because we're a bunch of elitist assholes, but because you must make very strong concesions when your OS will be used by hundreds of millions of people.
Life isn't like a box of chocolates. It's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
What ever you do do not use linux. It doesn't like you.
You sound like a troll, but I'll bite.
You don't have to tinker. You don't need to know what kernel version you're running. Get a modern distro and it will be the same thing as running your "innovative" Windows XP. You're also missing the fact that the kernel is only a small portion of the entire system. And the amount of tinkerability you have with Windows XP is nothing. You have no control on the low level stuff
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The world is divided in two categories:
those with a loaded gun and those who dig. You dig.
um, does it mean there were dangerous bugs?
in practical terms, I am running 2.6.3 now and I use XFS on all my partitions, do I need to upgrade to prevent my disk from possible "bad stuff" happening to it?
Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe.
H.G. Wells, "The Outline of History"
Incremental improvements inspired by others is not innovation. What great new features have Microsoft ever introduced to the world? It has to be more than a couple to claim the status of "consistently innovating".
Things like ReiserFS? Major sections of the kernel have been completely rewritten since 1.0. The scheduler, the module loading system, the /dev handling (static /dev to devfs to udev), the network subsystem. Anybody even remotely familiar with the kernel wouldn't make the claim you are making.
That's a straw man argument. People don't claim that open source automatically makes something perfect.
Desktop OS of choice for some people. It's certainly not the desktop OS choice for me.
Zealots of any kind aren't objective. But people who use and develop Linux at home or work are not automatically zealots as you seem to be implying.
What else than "incremental patches" does Microsoft deliver, especially in the days where there is no week with new IE and OE exploits being announced and eventually (after months) being fixed?
The reason why "Windows is still the desktop OS of choice" is just because it comes preinstalled with any vanilla PC you can buy out there. Because it will run the games people copy from their friends. Because it runs Microsoft Office.
If Microsoft released Office for Linux I'm more than sure that numerous offices will switch to Linux and if it's just to escape the virus race which cost them plenty of time, money, and nerves.
Linux is fantastic, but has lots of flaws that really do need addressing before it goes mainstream on the desktop. The sort of things we can take in our stride but which would screw up a novice linux user. Microsoft has lots of technology in place to make sure the user doesn't screw their computer over. That's the sort of functionality that lets Joe Average sleep well at night. He doesn't care if his computer's making the most efficient use of its CPU, but he does care whether installing a patch will kill it or not :-P
I found this Changelog entry rather funny. Looooong story about stir4200 driver - then another commit that adds stir4200.c:
[IRDA]: Add stir4200 driver.
After a long maturation, this is time to send you the latest
version of the stir4200 USB driver. Initially started by Paul Stewart,
modified by Martin Diehl and me, and later partially rewriten by
Stephen Hemminger.
The hardware has many quirks. This is the first version that
work reliably at SIR and mostly work at FIR. We may never get optimal
operation from this hardware due to its pecularities, but at least its
now usable.
[IRDA]: Forgot to add stir4200.c in previous commit.
my other sig is a 500 page novel
Finally they've included mdpart. This means anyone with a SATA RAID motherboard can use its full potential. Excellent :-)
Yeah, I just mentioned to someone that I will likely be going to 2.6 once it goes above 2.6.5. I think I switched to 2.4 w/the pre kernels. It had some support that I wanted. 2.6 isn't offering anything that I desperately need.
I don't use Linux w/X, I don't really use it for much other tahn a webserver, IRC, and email. It's basically just a way for me to do IRC and email from work.
What advantages would I have using 2.6 with that setup?
Unless you're trying to imply that the Bible has changed in the last year.
Also, "God" is not God's name. His name is YHVH or however you want to transliterate it. (That is, that's the name of the 'God' the Bible is talking about. The actual name of God may vary, check your local listings.)
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
I've just got 2.6.3 working - even my flashdisk.
I'll pass on this one, I think.
Sig: Closed for refurbishment.
That was almost 12 hours before the story was posted! How am I supposed to wait that long to upgrade my kernel?
To understand recursion,
you must first understand recursion.
I'm still stuck on my 2.4.xx version.
"Stuck" as in you're stuck with a real deficiency, or "stuck" as in you don't have uber-geek 2.6 bragging rights?
From this it seems that either the migration is uglier than anticipated, or that more people are just willing to sit back and wait for their distro to provide them with all their needs.
You see two possibilities. Please consider at least a third option: Many people don't really care about 2.6 and are running 2.2 and especially 2.4 very successfully, not missing support for anything, and not disappointed with their current performance.
We have servers that were upgraded from 2.2 to 2.4 for real (ie, USB) reasons only 4 months ago. Right now, I honestly don't see any reason to be excited about 2.6. Don't get me wrong; in a few months, I would almost certainly use 2.6 on a new install, but on most existing 2.4 machines, 2.4 ain't broke, so I ain't gonna waste time, money, and risk exposure to 'fix' it.
So anyone who expresses a negative opinion about Linux is now a troll and flamebaiter?
The rank hypocrisy on Slashdot stinks.
> Microsoft has lots of technology in place to make sure the user doesn't screw their computer over.
You mean like automatically executing attachments from an email client? Or giving a web browser full access to the filesystem through ActiveX?
if you were trying to control a Hearse.
It's funny how so many here trumpet the virtues of freedom of speech, and yet the mod points are used to censor people who expresses opposing viewpoints.
It's truly the tyranny of the majority here on good ole Slashdot. I don't even bother posting real comments anymore.
From the Changelog
[PATCH] kthread primitive
From: Rusty Russell
These two patches provide the framework for stopping kernel threads to
allow hotplug CPU. This one just adds kthread.c and kthread.h, next
one uses it.
Most importantly, adds a Monty Python quote to the kernel.
Haven't had a chance to pull in the source. Anyone know what this is?
Did you read any of the many guides you can find with a quick Google search? You need only have proper versions of various kernel utils, sometimes swap needs to be reformatted if it's a really old system..and of course you have to make sure you enable all the right stuff, just as with any other kernel build...
Please help metamoderate.
I love slashdot logic. I reply to a post which was based on straight-up misinformation (which was modded insightful, +5 no less), and get modded flamebait in the process. This place makes no sense! I didn't make anything up, just pointed out some short-commings in Linux, and corrected the poster's "strange" take on windows. Apparently, that's enough to be a flamebaiter around here. go figure.
I don't even know of anyone running 2.4 anymore actually. I mean, why not upgrade?
I finally got around to compiling 2.6.3 last night; ran into some issues.
its much more responsive than 2.4 for desktop use
The desktop is definitely more responsive, but (at least for me) at the expense of everything else. MPlayer, xmms, and anything that's remotely timing-intensive is unusable (xmms actually skips while playing MP3s, and Mplayer prints the message "Your computer is TOO SLOW to play this file" when playing anything I've got. Note that everything works fine under 2.4.)
I went through the various mailing lists looking for suggestions, with no luck; every suggestion is OK (checked drive DMA, kernel settings, X nice level, etc.) - interestingly enough, one post I read said to try glxgears.. I did, and it runs better under 2.6 - constant frame rate, regardless of what else I'm doing, whereas in 2.4, even moving the mouse drops the frame rate.)
So it's back to 2.4 for me. I'll probably try 2.6.4, to see if the situation has improved, but for the mean time, I'll stick with 2.4.
Just run patch -p0, recompile and you should be OK.
I remember when the concept of a virus that spread through email was so ridiculous that it was a joke played on newbies (GoodTimes).
That was before Microsoft started writing mail clients.
This would be 5, insightful 10 years ago, but not now. Has this guy heard of package managers? Every linux distribution has a an update utillity, which is intended for grandma and joe, while development kernels are for developers, who will package it in a joe proof click an icon, enter your root password and enjoy package (see, that wasn't so hard)
I bet this is just a recycled troll. I reccommend ANYONE who has heard that Linux is hard to use to see the truth by downloading Knoppix and witness how in just 30 seconds from boot your at a fully configured desktop with hundreds of applications, it just works! Lets see Microsoft do that! So this post is trying to spread old rumours about Linux.
FOR THE LAST TIME! LINUX IS NOT HARD TO USE! If you do think it is, reply with what was the last distribution you tried, I have found that 95% of complaints that Linux is hard to use is due to flaky or old linux distributions!
No, no, no. The "make sure the user doesn't screw their computer over" features are the most annoying of all. A simple thing like changing your current directory becomes an interrogation - "are you sure you want to go into that directory? I doubt you need to go in there!" And crap like automatically copying (and restoring!) system files, and for that matter the artificial distinction of a "system file" in the first place. Please keep that rubbish away from Linux!
I've been waiting for this release for awhile now, because 2.6.3 had a bug with disc media drives and SCSI drivers. Essentially, I couldn't use or burn any CD's.
2.6.2 => 2.6.3 completely broke ALSA on my system. I haven't seen any ALSA patches go in after 2.6.3. Anybody have info on that? Is there another big ALSA merge coming soon?
They've fixed that f**king annoying problem where I can't boot if either AGPART or the framebuffer are enabled. Why would a simple Riva TNT2 card cause problems where there were none before???
I'm amazing. You aren't. SUCK IT
It's certainly widespread, though. So many pages around the web look like they were generated by a horde of hyperactive chipmunks...
So I went to the 2.6 series when they first came out. I was very happy with it at work, there was a noticable bump in speed...mainly in starting applications.
/dev entries. So no reading CD's, DVD, or writing CD's. I honestly don't do it that much anyway, so I didn't spend a lot of time trouble shooting it. Plus after a day at work trouble shooting problems I don't feel like doing it at home.
/dev and the /sys stuff is not mountable. Enabling USB debugging just shows me that things are messed up but does not really help much.
At home it was another story. Sure the speed increases I noticed at work were still there but there were some fairly large problems.
First, neither my DVD reader or CD burner were assigned
Second, I have not been able to mount my USB flash drive. It is an MP3 player which I changed CD's on weekly so I am not listening to the same stuff at the gym every day. Well after a few weeks of Outkast it was time for a change so I sat down to fix the problem. Two hours later, I just went back to the 2.4 kernel.
I have gotten as far as getting the kernel to assign sda to my usb device but it never creates an entry in
I also started to get annoyed with all the SCSI emulation needed to mount a USB storage device. I don't understand how Linus can hate SCSI emulation so much when it comes to burning CD's yet it is perfectly acceptable to use it to mount a USB disk. Seems a bit hypocritical, but then again...he did sort of invent Linux so I guess I can cut him some slack.
So all in all, I have been disappointed in the 2.6.x series of kernels and if they are the one's that are supposed to take the desktop market by storm then I think Linux on the desktop is in trouble. It is no wonder Redhat and SuSE are staying away from it for the most part right now. It is going to take both of them a lot of work to get everything working properly I would imagine.
Am I the only one who went back?
Considering the very first sentence in your post was misinformed, I don't see why you're complaining.
There is a difference between extension and patch (bugfix) in that extensions are entirely optional. If you don't need anything in Linux 2.x, then you are perfectly able to run Linux 1.x or even 0.x.
"But I can do that with Windows!"
Not really. You cannot (in general) run a Windows NT program on Windows 3.11, as Windows 3.x is a 16-bit OS, whereas NT, ME, XP, CE, 2000, 2003, etc are all 32-bit. 32-bit applications don't run well on 16-bit OS'. The 32-bit support for 3.x is OK, but far from perfect and is totally unmaintained.
"Early versions of Linux are unmaintained, too!"
Not entirely correct. Linux 2.2 and 2.4 are under active development, and people occasionally submit bugfixes for earlier kernels.
Innovation - what has XP got, really, in terms of innovation? The GUIs are just front-ends to functions that largely already existed. QoS was in Linux before Windows, and in FreeBSD before Linux. The same is true for IPSec and IGMPv3.
Filing systems - Reiserfs and Reiser4 are vastly superior to NTFS or FAT32. LustreFS wipes the floor with CIFS/SMB, and CODA is without parallel. Unfortunately, CODA is also without any real development work, these days, but that may change precicely because it's Open Source. If CIFS was abandoned by Microsoft, who could take it over?
Terminal Server offers very little that the "R" tools (rcp, rsh and rlogin) didn't provide 20 years ago. The "S" tools (scp and ssh) are slightly more flexible and a lot more secure.
I can weight certain classes of application on XP's scheduler, but that's it. Under Linux as-is, I can specify the exact weight of each application. I can even choose between different schedulers (standard, real-time, heirarchical, etc).
Do you have to tinker? No. These are all options. Virtually every distro can run out of the box, and remain running without any alteration, upgrade, patch, or even a reboot for years.
Linux isn't perfect. There is much that it needs to really rework. (The TCP stack has a lot of rats-nest coding, for example.) There are some GUI issues that need resolving (XFree, Berlin with an X layer, or either KGI or GGI with an X layer?), better drag-and-drop, shadow passwords with a wider range of hashing options, etc.
However, none of these are serious obstructions. They are things that need to be done, but they are not show-stoppers. A typical Windows user, who primarily wants Office, can switch to Open Office or KOffice, MySQL and a decent MySQL interface, and either Gnome or KDE.
Where is tinkering necessary or even desirable for the average user???
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Upgrading Windows 2000 to XP does NOT take 2 mouse clicks! I know because I have done it. It takes a lot of sweat and tears. I had to enter a CD key, had to download a TON of security updates for the INSTALLER, had to reboot, it failed to detect a lot of my hardware, oh and it forgot to install critical kernel files. Ooops, installl from scratch, I had to repartition everything, enter my CD-key, had to go through "activation", download all the security patches and new drivers, all while on the Linux side I opened the pacakge manager (3 clicks), click upgrade system (another click) and excute then continue (total 6 clicks).
So that is 6 clicks, then waited half hour for the downloads, No multiple reboots like Windows!
So there you have it, PROOF THAT Linux is easier than Windows to upgrade, and that Dave420 is a lying troll!
Because the parent was written by an asshat.
Depending on your hardware, that may already be the case. Here's an example - I have a Dell LS-400 laptop that had a bug in the sound driver that would lock the system when running X if you tried to load the sound driver (because the sound and video hardware shared memory or something like that.)
Last Fall, I installed Slackware 9.1 and all the hardware "just worked" as the Apple fans like to say. So I don't really have any plans to change the kernel any time soon.
The Konqueror and KDE versions in Slack 9.1 and the Mozilla version I installed are quite nice so I don't really see much need to fiddle with end-user software either.
I always got at least some enjoyment out of tinkering with my machines, even at its most frustrating, but I'm happier to not have to do it anymore in this case.
Its very obvious that you should be waiting for your particular distro to put out a pre-tested version that has 2.6 in it. So you had problems with CD burning and your USB device. Stuff happens. Many others have moved to 2.6 and have all of their devices working and are enjoying a nice boost in speed.
"if they are the one's that are supposed to take the desktop market by storm then I think Linux on the desktop is in trouble"
I'm sorry but your particular experience doesn't mean what you think it does. Just because you had issues isn't the litmus test for Linux desktop use.
"It is no wonder Redhat and SuSE are staying away from it"
They aren't "staying away from it", they are currently testing it and will have distros with 2.6 out this year.
I know how it can be annoying when things don't work, but in this case regardless of your linux experience it very much sounds like you should stick with what works for now and wait until your distro vendor or community puts out a fully tested 2.6 release.
Your patch is corrupted.....
The header of that piece states it starts at line 3 for both files (old and new), but the old one is seven lines and the new one is 8 lines.
Asuming that the other lines are just whitespace you somehow pasted this patch without atleast the new line that is added.
was it this?
+ #include
Jeroen
Secure messaging: http://quickmsg.vreeken.net/
...why kernels are still not offered up via torrents yet?
Seems like it would help a lot.
Right now, I can't even connect to a use mirror. Grrr.
I think part of the grandparent's (well, my grandparent, your parent - hi dad!) point was that until Linux no longer needs the caveat "depending on your hardware" its going to remain behind in mass adoption.
For personal experience, the last time I tried to install Mandrake (9.x series, can't remember which x it was), it refused to recognize my USB keyboard. I think I've figured out why, now, thanks to a Gentoo install (that also failed because nothing would compile), as I think my USB-MIDI interface doesn't play well with others (MIDIMan USB MIDISport 2x2) but still.
Yeah - they really should have waited for the final release of the last version of the linux kernel.
It might be insightful, but this post dosen't deserve Informative. Moderators who modded this up please reply to this post to cancel your mod points.
I had none of those problems, so here are some obvious questions.
What distro are you using?
What version of the kernel were you using?
Did you enable devfs, usb, etc?
Did you install the new module-init-tools?
What hardware do you have (exact model umbers).
WTF do you mean by "slashdot logic"? You're comparing separate acts of moderation by (almost certainly) different individuals. By what reason would you exect Person A's world view to be consistent with Person B's? Just because they're both in the same slashdot thread on the same day? How about you "go figure".
The "cue the foo posts in 3, 2, 1..." posts will commence with no subsequent foo posts in 3, 2, 1...
I was wondering if anyone knew if these represent significant improvement.
anyone?
Desktop OS of choice for some people. It's certainly not the desktop OS choice for me.
I second that, Windows (98SE/XP) just feels hog slow compared to Linux kernel 2.6, so unresponsive.
And if you've seen screenshots of Longhorn and asked what they could use that sidebar for, I'd suggest installing a Linux distro with KDE 3.2 and enabling the "universal sidebar" feature (rightclick the taskbar and you will find it under 'Add', 'Panel', 'universal sidebar').
I'm still kinda starting out with Linux, etc., so I'm not really sure whether "IEEE1394 connectivity" means what I think it does. Please bear with me.
I haven't spent a lot of time tinkering with any of this, and wasn't sure if IEEE1394 was supported fully, partially, in customized kernels, manually set up...
Also, if someone actually reads this, does it make any sense for me to try to partition and install Knoppix on this drive, or should I put the OS on the internal drive?
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Even Kernel 2.4.6 still locks up frequently on my Asus A7N8X Deluxe motherboard unless I specify the options "noapic nolapic" at boot time. Then the system runs flawlessly (even with ACPI-support).
I read somewhere that the problem currently lies in the BIOS, rather than in the kernel, and that some vendors have already released proper BIOS updates that add a "C1 disconnect" option, which supposedly does the trick.
Unfortunately, Asus has released no such update as of yet.
Does anyone here (perhaps one of the kernel developers involved) have any more details on this?
Can this problem eventually be solved in the kernel, even without any BIOS updates?
After all, as far as I understood it, the BIOS pretty much takes a back seat as soon as the kernel is running, right?
"Oooh, does that mean we get to kick some puffy white mad zionist butt?"
don't be such as ass. mandrake has said the offical 10 release will be much later. If you use a testing version, don't get all antsy because you were premature.
Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
does linux have true preemption in the kernel yet? or are they still using the ugly hack with preemption points?
There a ton of dumb things that i can put up with in the OS like the truly horrid thread support ( which uses the system scheduler), the lack of a userlevel scheduler (and thus slow as hell) and the O(1) scheduler that is just round robin! but the lack of preemption is one of the things that made me move to OS X instead. oh yeah, and darwin does threading correctly.
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The war on terror is a war for peace
Personally I never have any trouble downloading kernels (usually straight from kernel.org... they have a lot of bandwidth) but I usual don't download the day-of.
A kernel BitTorrent would probably work quick successfully. Not really so much because of the whole upload-while-you-download thing (not as important for such a small download), more because it makes it so easy to provide bandwidth and I bet there would be tons of seeds for something like the kernel.
BSD. BSD's mascot is a daemon. Daemons are red. Red goes fasta.
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If you're looking for people with knowledge a mile wide but an inch deep, and the hubris to claim that that're the 'technological elite' you've come to the right place.
If you're looking for anything in depth, or sane conversation, I think you are so very-very lost.
Why the fuck am I posting here anyway?
Hopefully they fixed the ide-floppy module for the IOMEGA ZIP 100. I have to run the mount command twice before my zip disk get's mounted.
I can see this will cause futher trouble:
[netdrvr bonding] Cannot remove and re-enslave the original active slave
In TLB/ALB modes, when enslaving a slave that has the bond's mac
address, allow the operation if no other slave has that address.
Should be applied after the cleanup patch set.
So you first remove slaves, then re-enslave them? And you have "cleanup" operations? Omg...
Cheers,
Tels
Can you use the RAID controller? My motherboard has an ICH5-R. It implements a software RAID system. The system works fine with Linux when I set legacy mode in the BIOS. I would like to use its RAID functions.
Looking through the 2.6.4 changelog, it looks like there were problems with 2.6.3's e100 driver (which I have.) As my machine uses the network heavily (I've got about a dozen NFS mounts) this could be the reason that I was experiencing problems.
I think it's a little unfair to say I was spreading misinformation. I was just saying that kernels change must less rapidly than desktops.
" As long as PC-unskilled people have to relate to [for them] uncomprehensible things as 'devfs', 'fstab' etc. etc., they'll shun/hate Linux."
.ini suddenly "comprehensible? Have the "friend of a friend, boy next door, tech support" stop giving advice like "edit this and everything will be all right" And if the complaints on the Windows forums are any indication. Why aren't people shunning Windows? I swear that people around here have more agendas than a politician.
Insightful? How's the above any different on Windows? Is the registry or
Like Debian GNU/Linux 'apt-get upgrade'? Any good modern Linux distribution does include a smooth OS update path. But upgrading from kernel 2.4.x to kernel 2.6.x is not something most people are going to want to do. It is not the equivilent of a "service pack." It is much more akin to an OS upgrade. Few expect that to go without a hitch... even on Windows.
It's things like this that puts "normal" people and companies off using Linux on the desktop. To linux guys and developers it's not a big deal, but imagine if you were some granny somewhere - it'd scare the pants off you and if something went wrong, nigh-on impossible to fix.
So when Windows breaks, Granny is capable of fixing it? Give me a break. She's lucky if she is able to format her harddrive and resinstall without a hitch.
-matthew
"THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS ONLY ME." -Death
Would this work with a Silicon Image 3114 controller? I saw something about 4-port support being fixed, so I might switch to it. Currently I'm forced to use the 3112 driver (with a hack in the pci_ids.h file so that it recognizes the device) because I kept getting system hangups with the sata_sil driver.
I have a RAID 0 config for nonvital Windows files on an NTFS partition. While it's not necessary, it would be nice to be able to access them in Linux at times.
STOP MISUSING APOSTROPHES, YOU MORONS!!!
...if the laptop touchpad issues have been addressed since 2.6.3 - or if they're going to be?
Yeah and hopefully the Offical Mandrake 10 release will have Gnome 2.6!
These PR ratings are misleading. I benchmarked it against 2.6.3 and unsurprisingly it was in no way 0.0.1 better.
#emerge dev-gentoo-kernel :P
Actually, I don't even know if they've put one out yet, I just compiled 2.6.3-rc3 lastnight IIRC.. not worth my upgrade yet, I've had my share of issues already with 2.6. hehe
I wonder if they fixed this yet. I have an iRiver iFP-390T that I use as a UMS, but it hasn't been working correctly under Linux. Something about being marked removable when it isnt. Anyone have a patch?
John Hancock
Are you sure about the X nice level? Your symptoms sound exactly like what happened to me when I ran 2.6 for the first time, and my problem was the X nice level.
For 2.6, you want X to run at nice 0. Many Linux distros set X to nice -10 for kernel 2.4 and older, but for 2.6 that gums up the works.
Debian users can fix it like so:
dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common
Then, when it asks you what X nice level you want, set it to zero.
steveha
lf(1): it's like ls(1) but sorts filenames by extension, tersely
Run your car under Ninnle Linux!
Slackware 9.1 works for me. It doesn't include a 2.6.x kernel, but a kernel compiled from unmodified kernel.org sources works.
Slackware isn't fancy, but it generaly works.
Compile it under Ninnle! You'll be amazed! Under 30 seconds, at least on my old SX 25.
It cuts the kernel stack down to a single 4k page. There are performance advantages to doing this.
The main caveat is that drivers (and other kernel code, really) have to be very careful about their stack usage, or they run out of stack.
Consequently, badly written binary drivers with fat glue layers are right out...
DNA just wants to be free...
I'm still on 2.4 because 2.6 broke the ability to use DVD+RWs as a random access device. Anyone know if this will ever be ported to 2.6?
The breakage has something to do with ide-scsi
devfs isn't depracated, and won't be until a udev can fully replace it.
When i upgraded to 2.6.3 the asound.conf got trashed or wasnt recoginzed anymore so i did:
alsactl store
alsamix (set the volumes as u want)
aslactl store
And thats it, it will work the next time you boot.
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Maybe in 10 more years they'll get support for Truetype fonts and copy+paste.
Sheeet! How are we supposed to hear about this kind of stuff?! The Debian package kernel-image-2.6 didn't say anything about it! If only /. reported something more useful than the kernel releases...
:(
And it's really too bad, sounds from the FAQ that udev is a weak replacement for the brilliance that was devfs.
No way ... Windows ME was the fastest version of windows. I honestly had NO problem with it on my PII 350 and it would boot (full boot) in under 30 seconds. Which for that poor 350 was pretty good.
... oh well we all have our own tastes
The only thing is ME required you to spend some time taking care of it. I had it do a Norton Windoctor Test EVERY night and would come up with countless errors. As long as I baby it, I could keep boots for along time (1w was plenty for a family machine not serving anything).
The 9x series was ANYTHING but slow. If not faster since it was so simple. But easy to break.
The only reason I liked ME was the speed. (and it supported my 3Dfx Voodoo Banshee very well)
From the looks of it im the only person who liked ME
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Am I the only one using a AMD k6 processor? There are debs for k7s, but nobody has gotten around to making one for a k6 yet. :(
Whenever I try to compile myself I get kernel panics. Oh well, 2.4.25's fine for now.
They're a hell of a lot younger than the Windows GUI, but IMO, they're at Windows 98/ME level of user friendliness and gaining quickly on XP and Mac OS X.
I dont think so. I have a dual-boot laptop running XP-pro and linux with KDE3.2. IMHO, KDE 3.2 is way better than XP-pro. KDE has long overtaken windows as far as user friendliness is concerned.
Ah, so it is a genuine Microsoft patch.
Wow, that's the first time I've ever heard anything positive about Windows ME. I never installed it myself, but from trying to tinker around with my uncle's laptop with ME installed, it is a nightmare. It is appropriately named ME because the system takes up so many resources (Ze RAM, it belongs to MEEEEE! was a joke some friends of mine made while helping me fix the stupid laptop). with 64 MB of ram, it stil ran incredibly slow, and crashed numerous times. With so much memory being taken up by the system, multitasking was impossible. IT seemed there was some sort of memory leak, as we watched the system eat up more and more memory until it froze up. We finally gave up, had my uncle back up his documents and a few games, then reformatted and installed Win XP (he was a noob, so I didn't feel like forcing Linux on him), and the system ran 10x better.
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