What if you created a freedos partition on your linux box, then you could download the images directly to/mnt/freedos, reboot into freedos, run the program, and reboot back into linux. This sounds like a really simple permanent solution.
You call that simple? How's making a bootable usb key, takes no space at all, and putting bios's on that whenever the occasion comes up.
The parent poster had said: the network was already setup this way when I started at this place and I have no control over it.
It sounds like he knows why it's bad and just is not in a position to make a change. I totally disagree, with your: People like you should not be allowed ANYWHERE NEAR a network.
Either you misread his post, or are a dumbass who shouldn't be allowed ANYWHERE NEAR posting on Slashdot.
We all know how the chinese are about piracy. Either the studio exec's do support it, or it will become THE pirate standard for high quality rips that include all features. At this point, the only place the earning potential of a movie can go is down.
In Chinatown of San Francisco I can get dvd's from Hong Kong for American movies before they are released in the U.S. with no region coding, all the features from the American version, extra asian languages and so on and so fourth.
Imagine how flooded America COULD get if this became THE format that has movies from studios that choose only one of the other HD formats. It actually has potential to distrupt a the market, abroad and in the U.S.
In addition, the studio's are getting smarter. They have realized (ala Harry Potter) that Macrovision doesn't help stem piracy and that region codes are easily defeated (ala dvdrforum.com w/ all the region code hacking for players).
Here is the link to the Slashdot story that confirms this guys story.
Basically Consumers wanted USB 2.0 devices, so the USB group in charge of naming conventions decided to drop the USB 1.1 name.
Now there is USB 2.0 High Speed (What use to just be USB 2.0, which is up to 400 mbps), USB 2.0 Fast Speed (The port formerly known as USB 1.1 12 mbps) and USB 2.0 Regular speed (USB 1.0, which was 1 mpbs I think).
Because USB has always maintained full forward and backward compatability, and consumer demand was for USB 2.0 the standards were rewritten so that all USB devices were USB 2.0 regardless of speed.
surprisingly tripwire was ripped out of RedHat Enterprise.
In addition it can compile the rh9 src.rpm fine, but won't execute!
Arg, I think RHEL is a piece of junk. For anyone who runs a LAMP it's actually a better bet to use one of the rebuilds, unless you want to be in charge of building a whole slew of rpm's when errata comes out for mysql, etc.
> Yeah using ext3 would put out of business all those "Flash card recovery" services, that typically don't deal with physical damage, but just with fat corruption.
The parent post made it clear that ext3 would pout recovery services that DO NOT DEAL with PHYSICAL damage out of business.
> I suppose its possible that I'm wrong about this.. But ext3 has nothing to do with physical damage. It's a journal that can be replayed incase the OS crashes during a write operation.
So I guess what I am saying is, yes you are correct. It was implied in the parent poster though.
> You are absolutely right on this. I admin Linux, Windows, and Novell servers. Windows Server is just as difficult to set up and admin as the other two, that is, to do it RIGHT. > >But the GUI makes one think it's easier. Sure, anyone can install Windows Server. And any script kiddie or virus author will take it down within days.
Thanks for the summary. I didn't realize how much I had babbled on in my post, damn 5 in the morning posts.
1) Install Windows 2000/2003 Server 2) Install Sofwtare Updates Server 3) Go to http://localhost/SUSadmin/ and set to mirror from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ 4) Check IIS Snap in to find out where the content is being served from and go to that directory
> We're trying to run a mission critical application here, not some hobby system!
Funny how those PHB's think...
On the one hand they want MS because, as you point out: > The average non-technical business person has some exposure to MS and Windows.
The average non-technical business person wouldn't know how to Admin a server to save their life, yet they choose Windows because thats what THEY know. That's akin to choosing to jump off a mountain on a handglider over taking an airplane because they know how to fly a kite. (Oh and for those mentally challenged trolls that will be flaming me: I'm not saying Linux is an airplane and Windows is a handglider. In fact the analogy only has to do with the way the decision was made and NOT the underlying technology!!!)
Don't get me wrong, I am an SA of both Linux and Windows... I just think that it is a bullshit way to make a decision.
Sure there has been more exposure to the Windows systems in most peoples lives, but we all know how hard it is to find good Windows SA's. I've bumped into many Windows SA's, and the only good ones I bumped into were *nix Admin's first.
I think the biggest problem Microsoft faces is that the Server and Workstation edition of their software has the same interface. This lulls a lot of people into thinking they know Windows, when they don't really know Windows Server. This in turn produces bad Admin's, which allow virus/trojan/worms to spread all over, which leads to Microsoft having a bad name. Linux is just user-unfriendly enough for people who don't know what the fuck they are doing to KNOW that they don't know what the fuck they are doing.
Their second biggest problem is of course the paper MCSE's...
Shit, I work for a Fortune 100 Company too, and our bosses are the exact opposite. Once they are set on doing something their way, there is no changing their minds.
Right now they're attempting to fight a law about earthquake safety, in California of all places. It would be so much cheaper to brace the goddamn racks like the law says.....
You've obviously never installed driver updates via http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/.
It happened to my co-worker earlier today. His system was a clean install, it prompted him to install a newer driver that actually came with the system and BSOD.
I mean I can imagine on a fucked up system with all sorts of spyware, but on a clean system....
BSOD's are live and well, you must really be rubbing your box gently.
I have tried kickstart. I had not tried the Windows unattended install.
I am a *NIX Admin, not just Linux in fact. I was just asking because I never tried it on Windos, but heard that there was a similar capability.
Thanks for the extra info, I see your point, and you are right I can't recall a single place where they didn't have Ghost or some third party app over RIS or their unattended install.
I was just asking because you were fair at pointing out the drawbacks of doing things the Microsoft way all the way until unattended install, at which point you just said one word.
> # Easily scriptable system installation > > One word; kickstart.
I believe Win2k/XP both have answer files you can copy into the cd and use to automatically answer everything for you. I've never tried it myself, just wondering if you have looked into it because you mention the reality of MS and then the counter/comparison on all others, but not this one.
> Dont say that the choice is braindead unless you think it through or are willing to add a brain.
Wow, now theres some stupid rhetoric. What, now everything that gripes a person is not a real gripe unless someone is smart enough to make a change.
Oh Mr. Aids person, don't complain about the drugs that are killing you unless you're willing to come up with your own drugs that will fight off the virus.
You're full of shit, and you need to get off your high horse. Feedback, even if not always flattering, is always the first step to making a great product and a good sign that people are using said product.
P.S. I don't have time to figure out how Knoppix works and rewrite the part that controls networking to check to see if it got an ip, otherwise prompt. These days I'm too busy with other itches that need scratching at the moment.
Been done, it's called RedHat Enterprise Linux 3.0WS and it includes KDE.
Frankly I think choosing the.deb format in the Linux world is pretty much the Kiss of Death. It will never be LSB compliant. APT supports rpm just as well these days, they need to get with the program.
> Before leaving, he fired off an abusive companywide email, messed up the servers, and changed the root passwords.
That cocksucker is a major liability, and not someone I'd want working on my network. What if I had a legit reason for firing him, say he installs WinXP on my Linux cluster, then I gotta worry about passwords and e-mails, etc.
> Are you on crack? Windows 3.1 did have an tcp/ip stack as I used to use it to connect to the Internet, (Aol 1.6 then a local real ISP)
It had trumpet winsock probably, not part of Win 3.1 did not have a tcp/ip stack BUILT IN! that was my point.
> Also, Windows 95 was a NETWARE client and as such had ipx/spx installed instead of tcp/ip. It is a superior protocol so why bitch?
ipx/spx is not a superior protocol to tcp/ip. Hell even novell dumped that shit.
> Windows 98 was a fundimental change, it is an NT client and as such uses tcp/ip and of course netbeui installed by default.
Actually Windows 98 was IE4 + Win95 + a few updates. It was NOT a fundamental change by any means of the word. It also did not have NetBEUI, but NetBIOS.
> Since then things have improved tremendously, the stack in XP is quite impressive (speed wise)as everything is faster, I can download on using default window size and mtu with XP about 20k/sec faster than I can with any linux distro I've ever used including Gentoo. Granted you can tweak the mtu and size settings in both OS's and with Gentoo or any linux distro you have the power of raw sockets its a tradeoff.
I find it hard to believe, especially since XP by default reserves 10% of bandwidth. Unless you have major bandwidth (read: way the fuck faster than ethernet) the tcp/ip stacks between all these won't be too different in performance.
> As for DHCP, it was not created by Microsoft, not sure where that came from. IETF is responsible for most of the standards that have stuck around. Too bad ipx/spx was never implemented for the Internet, things would be so much faster today.
Now this is trolling in it's finest, at least you made semi good points earlier, this is just retarded.
Maybe software developers will realize this and stop developing for Microsoft platforms. What's the point, you'll never be able to put out anything that Microsoft can't replicate (read: steal) and maybe they'll start to develop for platforms that could use the talent.
I too have wondered this very point! You would think that a distro such as Debian would be attempting to get their ass on the lsb track if just for compatability. Oh well, guess they used it for far too long to make a change.
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What if you created a freedos partition on your linux box, then you could download the images directly to /mnt/freedos, reboot into freedos, run the program, and reboot back into linux. This sounds like a really simple permanent solution.
You call that simple? How's making a bootable usb key, takes no space at all, and putting bios's on that whenever the occasion comes up.
The parent poster had said:
the network was already setup this way when I started at this place and I have no control over it.
It sounds like he knows why it's bad and just is not in a position to make a change. I totally disagree, with your:
People like you should not be allowed ANYWHERE NEAR a network.
Either you misread his post, or are a dumbass who shouldn't be allowed ANYWHERE NEAR posting on Slashdot.
We all know how the chinese are about piracy. Either the studio exec's do support it, or it will become THE pirate standard for high quality rips that include all features. At this point, the only place the earning potential of a movie can go is down.
In Chinatown of San Francisco I can get dvd's from Hong Kong for American movies before they are released in the U.S. with no region coding, all the features from the American version, extra asian languages and so on and so fourth.
Imagine how flooded America COULD get if this became THE format that has movies from studios that choose only one of the other HD formats. It actually has potential to distrupt a the market, abroad and in the U.S.
In addition, the studio's are getting smarter. They have realized (ala Harry Potter) that Macrovision doesn't help stem piracy and that region codes are easily defeated (ala dvdrforum.com w/ all the region code hacking for players).
Here is the link to the Slashdot story that confirms this guys story.
Basically Consumers wanted USB 2.0 devices, so the USB group in charge of naming conventions decided to drop the USB 1.1 name.
Now there is USB 2.0 High Speed (What use to just be USB 2.0, which is up to 400 mbps), USB 2.0 Fast Speed (The port formerly known as USB 1.1 12 mbps) and USB 2.0 Regular speed (USB 1.0, which was 1 mpbs I think).
Because USB has always maintained full forward and backward compatability, and consumer demand was for USB 2.0 the standards were rewritten so that all USB devices were USB 2.0 regardless of speed.
surprisingly tripwire was ripped out of RedHat Enterprise.
In addition it can compile the rh9 src.rpm fine, but won't execute!
Arg, I think RHEL is a piece of junk. For anyone who runs a LAMP it's actually a better bet to use one of the rebuilds, unless you want to be in charge of building a whole slew of rpm's when errata comes out for mysql, etc.
> Yeah using ext3 would put out of business all those "Flash card recovery" services, that typically don't deal with physical damage, but just with fat corruption.
The parent post made it clear that ext3 would pout recovery services that DO NOT DEAL with PHYSICAL damage out of business.
> I suppose its possible that I'm wrong about this.. But ext3 has nothing to do with physical damage. It's a journal that can be replayed incase the OS crashes during a write operation.
So I guess what I am saying is, yes you are correct. It was implied in the parent poster though.
> You are absolutely right on this. I admin Linux, Windows, and Novell servers. Windows Server is just as difficult to set up and admin as the other two, that is, to do it RIGHT.
>
>But the GUI makes one think it's easier. Sure, anyone can install Windows Server. And any script kiddie or virus author will take it down within days.
Thanks for the summary. I didn't realize how much I had babbled on in my post, damn 5 in the morning posts.
There is actually a very simple answer to this.
1) Install Windows 2000/2003 Server
2) Install Sofwtare Updates Server
3) Go to http://localhost/SUSadmin/ and set to mirror from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/
4) Check IIS Snap in to find out where the content is being served from and go to that directory
Voilla, all the patches
> I was hoping to get a boyfriend this year but I suppose that'll have to wait. For some reason I never seem to have the time...
Maybe it has something to do with how much time you spent making Win2000 work!
> We're trying to run a mission critical application here, not some hobby system!
Funny how those PHB's think...
On the one hand they want MS because, as you point out:
> The average non-technical business person has some exposure to MS and Windows.
The average non-technical business person wouldn't know how to Admin a server to save their life, yet they choose Windows because thats what THEY know. That's akin to choosing to jump off a mountain on a handglider over taking an airplane because they know how to fly a kite. (Oh and for those mentally challenged trolls that will be flaming me: I'm not saying Linux is an airplane and Windows is a handglider. In fact the analogy only has to do with the way the decision was made and NOT the underlying technology!!!)
Don't get me wrong, I am an SA of both Linux and Windows... I just think that it is a bullshit way to make a decision.
Sure there has been more exposure to the Windows systems in most peoples lives, but we all know how hard it is to find good Windows SA's. I've bumped into many Windows SA's, and the only good ones I bumped into were *nix Admin's first.
I think the biggest problem Microsoft faces is that the Server and Workstation edition of their software has the same interface. This lulls a lot of people into thinking they know Windows, when they don't really know Windows Server. This in turn produces bad Admin's, which allow virus/trojan/worms to spread all over, which leads to Microsoft having a bad name. Linux is just user-unfriendly enough for people who don't know what the fuck they are doing to KNOW that they don't know what the fuck they are doing.
Their second biggest problem is of course the paper MCSE's...
Shit, I work for a Fortune 100 Company too, and our bosses are the exact opposite. Once they are set on doing something their way, there is no changing their minds.
Right now they're attempting to fight a law about earthquake safety, in California of all places. It would be so much cheaper to brace the goddamn racks like the law says.....
Well in that case in typical slashdot fashion, let me be the first to say....
All your base are belong to us...
Hehe
You've obviously never installed driver updates via http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/.
It happened to my co-worker earlier today. His system was a clean install, it prompted him to install a newer driver that actually came with the system and BSOD.
I mean I can imagine on a fucked up system with all sorts of spyware, but on a clean system....
BSOD's are live and well, you must really be rubbing your box gently.
I have tried kickstart. I had not tried the Windows unattended install.
I am a *NIX Admin, not just Linux in fact. I was just asking because I never tried it on Windos, but heard that there was a similar capability.
Thanks for the extra info, I see your point, and you are right I can't recall a single place where they didn't have Ghost or some third party app over RIS or their unattended install.
I was just asking because you were fair at pointing out the drawbacks of doing things the Microsoft way all the way until unattended install, at which point you just said one word.
> # Easily scriptable system installation
>
> One word; kickstart.
I believe Win2k/XP both have answer files you can copy into the cd and use to automatically answer everything for you. I've never tried it myself, just wondering if you have looked into it because you mention the reality of MS and then the counter/comparison on all others, but not this one.
About your sig....
I know a lot of good people from Crete, and associating SCO with Cretans is an insult to a great culture!
My point is that you never know where you truly stand unless you blow it out of proportins.
> Dont say that the choice is braindead unless you think it through or are willing to add a brain.
Wow, now theres some stupid rhetoric. What, now everything that gripes a person is not a real gripe unless someone is smart enough to make a change.
Oh Mr. Aids person, don't complain about the drugs that are killing you unless you're willing to come up with your own drugs that will fight off the virus.
You're full of shit, and you need to get off your high horse. Feedback, even if not always flattering, is always the first step to making a great product and a good sign that people are using said product.
P.S. I don't have time to figure out how Knoppix works and rewrite the part that controls networking to check to see if it got an ip, otherwise prompt. These days I'm too busy with other itches that need scratching at the moment.
Knoppicks sure is a little braindead in assuming that a network card automatically means DHCP.
Been done, it's called RedHat Enterprise Linux 3.0WS and it includes KDE.
.deb format in the Linux world is pretty much the Kiss of Death. It will never be LSB compliant. APT supports rpm just as well these days, they need to get with the program.
Frankly I think choosing the
> Before leaving, he fired off an abusive companywide email, messed up the servers, and changed the root passwords.
That cocksucker is a major liability, and not someone I'd want working on my network. What if I had a legit reason for firing him, say he installs WinXP on my Linux cluster, then I gotta worry about passwords and e-mails, etc.
Well I'll be damned, you really did write the book, hehe I bet you've been hoping for something like this to happen just to state that comment.
> Are you on crack? Windows 3.1 did have an tcp/ip stack as I used to use it to connect to the Internet, (Aol 1.6 then a local real ISP)
It had trumpet winsock probably, not part of Win 3.1 did not have a tcp/ip stack BUILT IN! that was my point.
> Also, Windows 95 was a NETWARE client and as such had ipx/spx installed instead of tcp/ip. It is a superior protocol so why bitch?
ipx/spx is not a superior protocol to tcp/ip. Hell even novell dumped that shit.
> Windows 98 was a fundimental change, it is an NT client and as such uses tcp/ip and of course netbeui installed by default.
Actually Windows 98 was IE4 + Win95 + a few updates. It was NOT a fundamental change by any means of the word. It also did not have NetBEUI, but NetBIOS.
> Since then things have improved tremendously, the stack in XP is quite impressive (speed wise)as everything is faster, I can download on using default window size and mtu with XP about 20k/sec faster than I can with any linux distro I've ever used including Gentoo. Granted you can tweak the mtu and size settings in both OS's and with Gentoo or any linux distro you have the power of raw sockets its a tradeoff.
I find it hard to believe, especially since XP by default reserves 10% of bandwidth. Unless you have major bandwidth (read: way the fuck faster than ethernet) the tcp/ip stacks between all these won't be too different in performance.
> As for DHCP, it was not created by Microsoft, not sure where that came from. IETF is responsible for most of the standards that have stuck around. Too bad ipx/spx was never implemented for the Internet, things would be so much faster today.
Now this is trolling in it's finest, at least you made semi good points earlier, this is just retarded.
Maybe software developers will realize this and stop developing for Microsoft platforms. What's the point, you'll never be able to put out anything that Microsoft can't replicate (read: steal) and maybe they'll start to develop for platforms that could use the talent.
I too have wondered this very point! You would think that a distro such as Debian would be attempting to get their ass on the lsb track if just for compatability. Oh well, guess they used it for far too long to make a change.