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Fedora Core 2 Schedule Up
An anonymous reader writes "The Fedora website has posted a schedule for their second release. " Now that the 2.6 Kernel is out, I imagine all the major distributions will have updates relatively soon.
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enters freeze. then we can get a system that uses all the features of 2.6 to their max.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
Arjan van der Ven has a directory here which has RedHat RPMs available for 2.6 and all of the userspace components needed to run it properly.
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...having good experiences with the current Fedora release. Good to see this working out.
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Nothing new here, please move along.
...if i had any clue at all how to do these kind of things, i'd love to see:
1) Fedora Live! (with preferences from flash pen);
2) Easily, optionally install 1) on a harddrive;
3) Make an alternate version of 1) based on the tips/howto's at Planet CCRMA for multimedia/musicians's applications.
With kernel 2.6 coming, it would be so sweet if there was some kind of way to walk up to a machine and just make it a DAW using nothing more than a CDROM and a flash pen, just overrwrite whatever is on the HD.
Big problem is the CDROM, HD and sound optimizations, I guess.
But you know, this is just a dream...I think Fedora Core 1 is great, a lot of fun, and the HOWTOs/FAQs have made the little issues on the distro disappear really easy.
I'd say Fedora is going to continue to be a great success.
Updates will be out, yes, but most distributions have already had 2.6 updates available as a "No, it's not ready yet, but here you go."
Remember how fun 2.4 was when it first came out?
Yeah.
I tried to edit the Knoppix ISO here a few weeks ago but it didn't work.
Suggestions please!
Help fight continental drift.
screen resolution? I want that...where do I get it?
Personally I hope other distros don't change their release schedules around the new kernel. I think it would be foolish for a distro to release a product running on 2.6.0 as default. Best to stick with the 2.4.x series and have the 2.6.x series available as an unsupported extra to avoid any nasty surprises.
Hence if the next release of a distro was to be built on 2.4.x with 2.6 development kernel included, there is likely no need for a change in release schedule.
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we have had 2.6 for a number of hours now, its time to move on... whats the schedual for 2.7 or 2.8?
I know alot of this was mentioned last night when the story of the kernel release came out, but I thought I'd mention it anyways.
/usr/portage/distfile)
:)
There are two new interfaces to configuring the kernel. xconfig (based on QT) and gconfig, as well as the old menuconfig. I only tried xconfig and menuconfig, but they both worked fine and more quickly than their predecessors.
When compiling your kernel, drop the make dep and make clean and just #make bzImage modules modules_install. It might just be my imagination, but it seems like it took half the time to compile 2.6.0 and modules as it did for 2.4.23-pre6 which I was using.
If you get an error message like QM_MODULES: Function not implemented you haven't gotten the module-init-tools for 2.6.0 installed.
Nvidia users need to patch the nvidia-kernel sources with the appropriate diff from http://www.minion.de and apply before installing your new nvidia.o. My install went like this (Gentoo 1.4):
1. Get the nvidia-kernel package
#emerge -f nvidia-kernel
(if it's not already is
2. Extract nvidia-kernel
#sh NVIDIA-Linux-...-pk0 --extract-only
3. Patch driver
#cd usr/src/nv
#patch -p1 NVIDIA_Kernel-1.0.4496-2.6.diff
#ln -s Makefile.kbuild Makefile
#make install
Hope this helps someone out there, I spent an hour or two googling to figure this out, so I hope I can save someone the trouble
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
FYI - several of the thumbnails down towards the bottom of the page don't match the screen screenshot they link to.
Which thinkpad are you installing on, btw?
+++ UGUCAUCGUAUUUCU
Stop that. Now. Or I'll post my New Year's decision list.
You have been warned.
In response to the recent release of kernel 2.6.0, Debian is accelerating their development cycle and plans to immediately release a stable distribution containing the new kernel. Look for this new version sometime in 2005.
(actually I'm a big fan of Debian but they gotta do something about their 2-year release cycles)
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Please, PLEASE don't ask for that... Everytime I have to update glibc I end up breaking my whole system. =P
Banaaaana!
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I think /. should replace the RedHat logo since there is a clear distinction between the Fedora product and RedHat's primary branded offering, and this would also recognize the community of non-RedHat employees contributing to Fedora.
"Now that the 2.6 Kernel is out, I imagine all the major distributions will have updates relatively soon."
Why do you care? You're a schill for Steve Jobs now.
There will be unofficial updates for testing, but the big boys will holding off for months. Doesn't anyone remember the pain and suffering of 2.4.0-2.4.12? Linus and co ripped out, and replaced the vm code twice in the 2.4.0 to 2.4.11 time frame.
Red Hat didn't release a 2.4 kernel untill 2.4.7, and pretty much everyone considered it broken. Sure gentoo and the rest of the bleeding edge are already running 2.6.
IANALBIPOOGL (I am not a Lawyer, but I play one on GrokLaw.)
umm, if it is part of the next version, when you apt-get upgrade, or yum update, you should have a fedora 2 system working fine.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
Um, you realise you can do this is Fedora Core 1 right? I have the applet right here - you could do it in red hat 9 too if you used the command line ;)
fedora screenshot from Fedora 2 Test Screenshots.
I must care more about my eyes...
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The biggest glibc change is moving to the NPTL threading system. Red Hat has already done so with Fedora 1, now it'll be interesting to see if and how other distros manage to take advantage of all the testing done by RH. Also, you can be quite sure any further changes needed for Fedora 2 will be made in time to glibc, as Red Hat is the defacto primary developer of said system these days.
i agree.
:D
I'd love to have a distro tuned for audio...
though I'd rather have normal distros tuned for audio (i.e. the low latency patch, alsa, a few apps like rosegarden, ardour, audacity, csound, a few others...)
at least we now don't have to install Alsa ourselves.
music - http://www.subatomicglue.com
Seriously. I recently switched to Fedora and am wondering what the heck that NPTL label is on the kernel in Grub.
The word core makes me instantly think of core-dumps... Kind of like if Microsoft named their next Windows version "Microsoft BlueScreen"
nice way to increase karma, very professional
especially the MOD THIS UP part is hilarious. slaughter.edu... very funny.
this guy is a very impolite, crap-posting troll
check his recent posts (especially the insults written in CAPS). i don't care if this costs me (offtopic, troll, whatever) karma, please mod parent according to his behaviour.
Check out advanced Fedora 2 Test Screenshots for some great eye candy!
If you actually look at the page, and look at the date at the bottom - Last update October 14th, 2003. - you'd realise that these are screenshots from Fedora Test 2, not Fedora 2 Test. That is, it's the second Test release prior to Fedora Core 1.
those are screenshots of the prereleases of fedora core 1
just like the trollpost above... i wonder how much attention the moderators are spending on verification of the links.
I know I shouldn't be replying to a troll, but here goes...
My Debian Unstable with Gnome 2.4, KDE 3.1, and Xfree86 4.2 disagrees.
My Debian system with 2.4.18 disagrees.
I don't have an X11 book, but I do have my monitor's manual. And that worked.
1280x1024 with 14 colors. Who needs more?But honestely, RTFMing is often the best thing to do. I've been told to RTFM a few times, and I'm glad of it too; I now know how to solve my own problems most of the time.
All of my hardware (including a USB keyboard, USB mouse, and HP Photosmart digital camera) works perfectly under Debian. Can't talk about any other hardware, of course.
Yes, most of the Linux distros are far behind Debian in using the RPM package format. DEBs are far better.
So we have a few broken repositories, so the heck what? Don't use them.
If you don't like dselect, use something else. Synaptic is quite nice.
look at the replies!!!
It's interesting to see how Red Hat is contributing not only to glibc, but also playing the leading role in for example GCC development. It should give the RH bashers something to think about.
Does Havoc work on the freedesktop.org effort on RH's paycheck? I'm guessing he is, but I'm not sure. RH has said they're pretty much not interested in the desktop at the moment, yet outside RH probably only Ximian/Novell can compete with the number of core GNOME developers under a single roof.
I am using Fedora Core 1 now and find it very stable, fast and well put together. The only problem is that it is a little "bleeding" edge for 3rd party apps. My Netlock VPN client doesn't work with the stock FC1 kernel so I had to install a Red Hat 9 kernel. I cannot get the Corda graphing server to run, and various issues with the newer NPTL and glibc stuff that requires patches to get Oracle to run. Though with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 with similar packages, the 3rd party support should pick up soon. Overall it is a good desktop, especially with freshrpms.net to get tons of extra packages.
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
Good grief - I've got boxen sitting all over round here - I've got a few SuSE desktops and several Mandrake servers (interesting problem in itself).
Now I downloaded Fedora Core 1 the other day with the intention of trying it out on one of our desktop systems.
Now another core is sceduled for April!
I can't keep up with this - This must be my penance for all those times I complained when I was an MSCE that the updates were too few and far between.
Ripping an new rectum in the fabric of spacetime.
Uh, the whole point of Fedora Core 1 is that it is bleeding edge. If your want something that is stable, FC-1 isnt it.
Yea, verily, and with what, pray, tell, shall we gag thee, Valley Geek?
Yes, most of the Linux distros are far behind Debian in using the RPM package format. DEBs are far better.
.deb so superior to .rpm or .tgz? Usually people argue dependencies but dependences aren't tracked by dpkg or rpm. apt-get can track them for both formats. And alien was able to convert rpms to debs or tar.gz's fine when I was running slink.
Why? What makes a
There is nothing wrong with most package formats. It is how they are used that makes a difference.
Ah yes, with the new glibc we can use the linux kernel 2.6.0... TO THE MAX!!!
Yes, I'm anticipating that the Natalie Portman Threading Library will be something very special.
you want to run oracle? you should be useing Redhat enterprise.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
What other sorts of turds are you familiar with my good man?
It should give the RH bashers something to think about.
No, because Red Hat made a theme that looks the same on GNOME and KDE... and therefore made KDE inferior!! So they are evil and must die...nothing excuses this.
Incidentally, if anyone has ever doubted what a bunch of whining children KDE developers are... take a look at the recent UserLinux fuss. UserLinux (a distro based on Debian and started by Bruce Perens) recently decided to focus its efforts entirely on GNOME for the desktop. When Lindows, Connectiva or SCO focussed exclusively on KDE, GNOME developers just took it in... and went on developing their desktop. When UserLinux chooses GNOME, the KDE developers go into the ultra-flamewar mode that we've all seen before when they don't get their way. Frankly, they are a disgrace to the Free Software community and should shut the hell up... anf preferably go away.
I too have wondered this very point! You would think that a distro such as Debian would be attempting to get their ass on the lsb track if just for compatability. Oh well, guess they used it for far too long to make a change.
Can I get an eye poke?
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Naaa if you want to be told what is important, NBC CBS ABC BBC NPR are elitist fucks that tell you what you should think. Fox at least tells the other side of the story. Now for honest, unbiased facts, just read Slashdot or Salon or Wired!
With, like, negative moderation spoons and space cadet moderators that don't know a joke when they see one, like, TOTALLY!
It may be a troll...but it's true!
Debian is losing mojo fast.
Everyone is jumping ship or getting ready to.
Don't be the last one on the sinking Debian ship!
Sometimes the truth hurts.
Were the patent issues with SELinux ever resolved?
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http://slashdot.org/articles/02/07/27/0224224.s
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/07/27/
I just glanced over SCC's Statement of Assurance, and it looks like it's void "...with respect to VPN gateways, perimeter and distributed firewalls, URL filtering, authentication and authorization for applications, hosts and devices, and other products..."
Debian has been a joke in the business community for a long time now but now even the geek community is jumping ship. Back 6 years ago I used to tolerate the constant political infighting and slow release schedule of Debian. But lately other distros have surpased Debian to such a degree that it makes debian look ridiculous and using Debian an excercise in masochism or stupidity. I don't know where Debian went wrong but its time to put the wooden stake into this blood-sucking monster once and for all. Debian is dead. It's time to move on.
Do you know how many YEARS it would take Debian to become standards compliant?! Approaching DECADES!
.deb/apt-get system has serious security issues that will never be fixed since it would take to much time/talent so instead they will just ignore it.
So the ego maniac developers just say "Those standards are stupid and suxy anyways so we don't have to comply with them" ya so maybe Microsoft thinks the same thing? If the ENTIRE community has chosen a standard STICK TO IT.
Debian refuses to come into standard compliance because they don't have the talent or the resource to ever pull it off. They can barely get a stable release out the door.
Oh and
Face it everyone accept old farts are jumping ship for gentoo, fedora or some BSD. Debian is passe.
Still I'll always fondly remember the 90s when Debian was king, those were the days, but the Linux game has changed a lot since the 90s. The pool of users has changed and people are more demanding today.
Why? What makes a .deb so superior to .rpm or .tgz?
.debs can be unpacked with tar, ar and gunzip (or is it uncompress?), whilst .rpms (supposedly, not sure here) need the RPM tools.
Well, not that I think it is enough to justify superiority, but
Jordi Bunster http://bunster.org/contact/
Stable???? ROFLMAO If I see "Nautilus has encountered an error" one more flippin' time...
I am interested to know what is happening with "Export Approval". Are they removing code to make BXA happy? Just what demands/changes/modifications are being made to "comply" with export controls?
"Trademarks are the heraldry of the new feudalism."
Do you run a search for that phrase every so often, or just happen to notice it when it comes up?
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a youtube comments section scrolling - forever.
I believe the response was because the writer felt that the reasons given for not choosing KDE boiled down to FUD. Whether or not that is true is a different issue. The writer seemed to feel that in writing on why he did not choose KDE, Perens was not giving a reasonable picture of the KDE project. And also perhaps that if you choose one product over another, it is good to list the positive reasons for the chosen product instead of the reasons you didn't choose the competitor.
and hes a subscriber... odd.
Sure you don't want to use it for a long term server, but plenty of people find Fedora stable enough for desktop use. Look at Mandrake, a lot of people use it and don't complain about stability even though they are notorious for being bleeding edge and doing things like ship RC packages.
I don't think its either fair or accurate to just call Fedora unstable, because it isn't. A lot of really smart people put it together and test it and they don't go out of their way to just blindly ship the latest package X just because its out there. For all the talk of "Bleeding Edge" Fedora's bleeding edge is a lot less sharp then some people like to claim.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
Face it, Debian is passed its prime.
Indeed it is. At least is has XFree96 4.3.0 - like RedHat 9 did. Debian stable might include 4.3.0 by the time Longhorn is released.
Fedora Core 1 is very polished - running for weeks now and not one single crash or hung application.
Unless you ever, you know, compile your own software.
I tried it out and my whole system locked. It was as if it was petrified.
Your courageous and selfless spelling corrections have made me a better person.
As I posted, in my experience FC1 is just as stable as Red Hat has been for me. I have not had any stability problems with it at all. The only problems I have ran into is with 3rd party applications that do not yet have support for the newer NPTL, glib or exec-shield.
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
All of our production servers run Red Hat AS 2.1. My workstation is running FC1 right now and I needed the Oracle client installed to connect/work with the Oracle servers running under AS 2.1.
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
Sorry, pad're, but Fedora is a byteboyz toyz only release. RedHats paying desktop lusrs are still orphaned.
Wow. One geek's legacy.
Your courageous and selfless spelling corrections have made me a better person.
Your mileage may vary, but I'm not having any problems with Fedora Core being used as a server. It's been running since the day it was first available for download, with zero downtime.
Can You Say Linux? I Knew That You Could.
Hey face it man it's true.
People have had enough of Debians shit.
same here:)
Is XFree96, like, '10 louder' than XFree86?
> I know I shouldn't be replying to a troll, but here goes...My Xfree86 4.2 disagrees
Are you the one trolling? Debian stable comes with XFree86 V3.3.6a. Just because you like Debian doesn't give you the right to troll and lie about it.
> If your want something that is stable, FC-1 isnt it.
:/
There's a ringing endorsement.
Not that I'd switch from Gentoo anyway.
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Didn't you hear? Linux isn't ready for the desktop!
Your server disto people say so!
+++OK ATH
In a recent interview, Bruce Perens mentioned quite a few reasons why Debian may be a much better option for former RH users than Fedora.
We agree and we are migrating to Debian.
I know there is a ppc dev version of Fedora, so why is there no release schedule for it?
Daryl
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NPTL support was first included in Red Hat 8.
No. It was Redhat 9.
if you check his journal. you'll see that someone gave it to him. a troll-fan. can you believe it...
Red Hat started with 2.4.2-2 included in the released distribution, not 2.4.7, their 2.4.7 was pretty good (remember they were always using 2.4.*-ac*), and to this day RHAS uses 2.4.9-something. It's just version numbers aren't really the "vanilla" kernel numbers, they're rather losely connected :)
Lam
"When UserLinux chooses GNOME, the KDE developers go into the ultra-flamewar mode"
And quite rightfully, I'd add.
If Lindows, Connectiva o SCO focussed on Gnome, the KDE team wouldn't have had *any* problem with it, since those are *private* corporations, just the same there's no problem with RH focusing on Gnome.
But userlinux is said to be an *open* intent to reach the corporate boxes, and here all the fuss comes to... specially when Perens' reasons are quite ludicrous!
I'm talking about Debian Unstable, as I said.
An Evening with Bruce Perens
Wikileaks, no DNS
What are you babbling about? What does "open" have to do with it? Should UserLinux supply every single desktop for Linux too?
Perens' reasons where quite simple: Qt/KDE costs too much -- it loads huge costs on to the end desktop developer. GNOME and KDE are roughly equal in features (GNOME ahead in some places, KDE in others), but GNOME is significantly cheaper to develop for. All the unsupported claims about Qt lowering TCO and the GNOME bashing were totally unjustifed and childish... as most people already know KDE developers are a bunch of petty adolescent flamers (as a quick look through the history of KDE will show). Even without the huge savings, choosing GNOME would still be the right option, as the KDE developers' behaviour showed.
Yes, most of the Linux distros are far behind Debian in using the RPM package format. DEBs are far better.
... trusty bunch of folks them Debian users >:)
except that deb's are yet to integrate gpg signing
as for dependency tracking, that's long past the times of deb monopoly. give them credit for starting it and move on - or not, if you're the type that wants to go flying only in the Wrights' cart.
While I realise this is late, RPM files are just compressed cpio archives. It has been a few years, but when I was making custom RH CDs (you can probably check siglinux archives circa '97 to see me offering them) I was just using plain cpio tools to repacakge things.
"I can't keep up with this - This must be my penance for all those times I complained when I was an MSCE that the updates were too few and far between."
Look on the bright side. If you were on Debian the releases would be every five years.
Although you want to keep your boxes patched, no one says you have to upgrade everytime a release comes out