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China, Russia, U.S. To Build 100MBps Network
prostoalex writes "Gloriad (Global Ring Network for Advanced Applications Development), a scientific data network, will unite academic institutions in China, Russia and the United States with a 100 MBps link. National Center for Supercomputing Applications received a $2.8 mln grant from NSF, and both Russia and China will match this amount to contribute to network build-up. Later this year, as the Associated Press article notes, a new plan will be launched to move the international network to 10 GBps capacity."
Is that 100 mega BYTES or 100 mega BITS? Likewise, giga BITES or giga BYTES?
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andthere was me thinking they were gonna upgrade my connection to the net, i'm disappointed :(
Fast porn from US Russia and China thanks
Wow, stunning...not. Even after the upgrade, it will be outdated before it ever finds a use.
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Yes they are, they just don't realise yet that there aren't any ;-)
The increased bandwidth may only serve to speed the leaking of state secrets across international borders.
Quick - install that 10 Gb update - we're running out of time !
UT2K3 perhaps? ;)
;)
It would be interesting to learn some Russian and Chinese swear words.
finally, a way to download all that azn and russian pr0n from the east straight into the US.
where do I sign up?
Now if we could just convince them to shoot for a wireless slingshot record and convert to Mac, those of us with Airport can all have free net access courtesy of our Ruskey friends!
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How many Libraries-of-Congress per Rotation-of-the-Earth is that?
Increase in internetworking is always welcome, especially in China and Russia, but there are projects such a Geant which already provide european countries with 10 Gb (and more) pipes.
Viagra spam routed through China.
Hot Russian women.
All at 100MBps.
Beautiful, kernel hacker, C++/Perl/Ruby/Python guru,
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Why do it with 100, then re-do it in the same year with 1000. Why not just do it with the 1000 first, and save some time and money?
I hope europe gets somewhat invlolved...
I wonder who will be the first China?, Russia?, or the USA? We'll find out on Cryptome now won't we...
MoFscker
So let's see, we've got a 100MBps fat pipe direct from the heartland of the U.S. to the largest communist nation in the world, but I still can't get a direct flight from Miami to a communist country 90 miles off our shore???
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New Network to Link U.S., Russia, China
Dec 23, 10:10 AM (ET)
By JIM PAUL
CHAMPAIGN, Ill. (AP) - Soon scientists in the United States, China and Russia will be able to collaborate in cyberspace over a new high-speed computer network that includes the first direct computer link across the Russia-China border, developers say.
The network, expected to go online next month, will ring the Northern Hemisphere, connecting computers in Chicago with machines in Amsterdam, Moscow, Siberia, Beijing and Hong Kong before hooking up with Chicago again, said Greg Cole of the National Center for Supercomputing Applications, one of the leaders of the Little GLORIAD project. Data will flow at 155 million bytes per second.
"This new network permits us to learn more from each other in areas where we have not worked together in the past," Cole said Monday.
The NCSA, based at the University of Illinois' Urbana-Champaign campus, received $2.8 million from the National Science Foundation to fund the U.S. portion of the network for the next three years. Russia and China are spending similar amounts, Cole said.
"As we aim to strengthen our nations' capabilities in research, we also aim to contribute to the cumulative knowledge that lifts the prospects of people everywhere," NSF director Rita Colwell said in a statement announcing the plans.
The NSF's program officer for the project, William Y. Chang, did not immediately return a phone call to his Arlington, Va., office Monday.
Scientists have always had computer networks separate from the consumer Internet that assure them the capacity to transfer huge volumes of information at speeds much faster than typical Internet transfers and for real-time collaboration on high-tech experiments, Cole said.
Little GLORIAD - an acronym for Global Ring Network for Advanced Application Development - will allow scientists and educational researchers to work together on such issues as responding to natural disasters, safeguarding nuclear material, monitoring earthquakes or joint space exploration.
They also could collaborate to remotely monitor or control high-tech equipment and even could get together face-to-face by video conferencing over the network, he said.
"This is specifically so our scientists and educators can work together more easily," Cole said. "The technology is really rather amazing with what it allows us to do on a daily basis."
The fiber optic connection between China and Russia that makes the network possible was completed a few months ago, Cole said. Final touches are being put on the China-Russia link, and the global network should see its first traffic on Jan. 5.
A formal launching ceremony is planned for Jan. 12 in Beijing, he said.
Scientists from Russia and the United States have had direct computer linkage for about five years, while Russia and China often exchanged scientific information by meeting in Chicago, Cole said. The new network should strengthen the collaboration between those countries, he said.
Little GLORIAD is a "first big step" toward development of the higher-speed GLORIAD, Cole said. That effort, expected to be launched later this year, will move data at 10 gigabytes per second, 60 times faster than the Little GLORIAD.
Computer connections have fostered scientific collaborations that otherwise might not have happened, Cole said.
"There's some advantage to having people being able to talk more regularly," he said. "There are fewer misunderstandings. I think these networks are going to be more important to the more critical issues that we're all addressing together."
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On the Net:
GLORIAD: http://www.gloriad.org
National Center for Supercomputing Applications: http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu
National Science Foundation: http://www.nsf.gov
While I welcome this news, I can't help wondering why Europe is not included? Is there a secret agenda behind all this - such as making sure that EU can't become a new U.S., the most powerful superstate?
With some of the newer Telecom technologies they could hit .
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speads of 40 Giga-bits per second if they wanted, most
likely faster as my knowledge is somewhat dated, ie. 2001
I know Nortel was working on sending 160 Tera-bits down a
single strand of fiber, and I have seen working gear that
pushes 40 Giga-bits 2 years ago
Here is a article from 1999 that said they hit 1.6 Tera
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0CGC/19_25/
There is now 10 Giga-bit Ethernet
www.10gea.org
The Telecom links always outpace the current Ethernet high end
by usually a sizeable amount
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Don't ask, just be glad the network is there. Asking about politics will just confuse you more.
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In Soviet Russia, network builds you! But seriously, this should help me download TATU mp3s faster.
Given that they censor every damn thing that comes in and out of the country don't expect to see a lot of sites in China, especially anything that talks about Tibet, Falun Gong or any system that doesn't agree with the "great unfailing Chinese leadership".
What do they need with 100 Mbps? Ways to send elaborate communist propoganda?
There is the idea that the more you bring them into the world community the more they have to play by the rules. Witness their growing pains regarding the WTO. Gotta respect intellectual property now.
Agree with me or not you can have fun testing whether or not the Chinese are blocking your favorite sites.
But if they are gonna make a 100MB network, how can they plan to 'upgrade' that to 10GB, without having to replace nearly everything they buy? Cat6, not Cat5e must be used (or so the IEEE standard says for 10GB) so if they buy that now, then they don't have to replace it. But what of routers, switches and nics? Unless they are buy 10GB hardware now, and just running it at 100MB for fun then flipping the switch to FASTMODE later, how do they plan to do this?
Why build a network then plan to replace the whole damn thing shortly thereafter?
>> "There's some advantage to having people being able to talk more regularly," he said. "There are fewer misunderstandings. I think these networks are going to be more important to the more critical issues that we're all addressing together."
Yeah, right. Would you like me to start writing in Portuguese, right now? Que acham disso?
We really, really should be using Esperanto. No matter what problems it has, no matter if having one language won't prevent trouble, we should use it.
If not else, just for the economics involved.
And it sucks a lot less than English (sorry, folks, just my sincere opinion). Russian and Chinese, of course, present each its own problems for international communication.
I guess the Americans and Chinese have not yet learned that in Putin's Russia, you don't share research, research shares you!
'nuff said
Being 52 and growing up during the cold war it is still amazing and very nice to see these three countries getting along and working together.
I hope it continues and more of this cooperation amoung countries continues to expand. MAYBE someday we will work as one planet instead of individual countries. Maybe......
It's not OSDN Personals, it's Match.com contracted out to OSDN, just like millions of other sites out there. It's all the same huge pool of people, most of whom know nothing about Slashdot, and carries all the same exorbitant fees and such that I'm sure OSDN gets a cut of.
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Waxing gibbous or full moon?
Our connectivity partner( which by the way is quite small compared with the other telecoms )aggregates multiple OC-48s - someone please explain to me why a paltry 100mbps is somehow newsworthy.
Hey, a day of shooting at the range could expend 100 rounds or more, where if you shoot only one into your next door neighbor's head.....and which one is illegal???
PS, my question actually makes MORE sense than yours.
All it truly means is that we will be getting more spam now that they can send out x times faster.
moo.
Meanwhile, many companies, from small businesses to worldwide corporations, are spending a lot of money to fight spam and other problems. I see a need for many large businesses to get together and build their own network, an "Internet-3" so to speak. They would still have security concerns, but because most of the network's traffic will be business related, the signal to noise ratio will be much better.
With wireless access becoming more popular, I even see the normal consumer providing pieces of the Internet. This network, the original Internet, might eventually become the place where a lot of garbage goes around, while private worldwide networks might eventually keep things clean.
Of course, once all these networks become large, I can see connections made between them, and that will defeat the whole purpose.
Oooooh, someone's having trouble finding love online. ;)
I hope this goes well. Not only will it lead to the scientific progress everyone here likes, but it could also lead to a greater cultural exchange. It could only help our culture, and cultural contamination is the best way to influence a place like China, what with their human rights violations and all. Anything that even could help alleviate that is good.
I'm skipping the "F" because I don't want to come off as too much of a heavy, but as long as people don't read the article this discussion runs the risk of being completely off topic.
This is not a 100 Mbps (or MBps) connection to the internet. This is a private WAN between the connected institutions.
That means, unless you work or attend one of those institutions, no spam, no mp3s, no pron, no blocking of websites, nothing.
Excellent! Now we can send our national secrets to them at warp-speed!
Where's the moderation here?
As long as you mock anything besides USA and its people, is OK I guess.
.. because now I can receive 10x the amount of spam and cracking attempts from those countries. And nobody over there will still give a crap about what people on there network are doing.
Seriously, if those two countries just dropped off the entire Internet, the quality of online life would increase dramatically.
(In case you can't tell, I'm angry. I've currently got some spammer over there forging my email domain RIGHT NOW and I'm dealing with thousands of bounces from everwhere.. and nobody involved gives a rat's ass about stopping it.)
How do we know you're not gay? :-)
am i missing something here?
As of this week China can be officially declared a FORMER communist country. The upper house introduced a bill that is sure to pass guarenteeing private property rights. This is the end of any idea of communism in China and the beginning of their own brand of socialist capatalism more along the lines of Europe.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
Most academic institiutions in sweden is connected to a dual 2.5 GigaBit network (SUNET).
SUNET is connected to NORDUnet (Academic networks of Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland.) Using up to 10 GigaBit connections
Nordunet
http://www.nordu.net/map_nordunet.png
Warning: This sig contains a small bug. ==> *
If I wanted to read the article, I wouldn't be here on slashdot....
This will be a boon to the grad students and TAs of Universities. Clearly this is the target application.
If they play along like they're doing with the International Space Station, the network will be years behind and probably never be done.
I can't effing wait!!!
More wires.
Cuba is easy to boycott as they don't offer a heck of a lot of things we need/want except good cigars and tourist destinations (both of which you can get elsewhere). If they found oil or developed a booming tech industry overnight the boycott would end faster than you can say Fidel.
I was going to say you're some kind of whacko and WTF are you talking about, but then I remembered I was using Mozilla's adblock plugin from mozdev.org. It sure is nice not to get all those annoying ads. Why subscribe?
Cuba also grow sugar.
Protecting the US sugar farmers is also a reason for keeping the embargo.
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I find it weird that all the European Union member states are not part of this project considering there are many top-notch universities in these countries. The same goes for the other advanced non-EU European countries (Iceland, Norway, etc.)...
"Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
Is 10 Gbit/s good enough?
Check out nordunet:
http://www.nordu.net/map_nordunet.png
All universities (and many museums and institutions) in sweden has a dual redundant 2.5 Gbit/s (10 Gbit/s) connection to SUNET which connect to NORDUnet
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The network, expected to go online next month, will ring the Northern Hemisphere, connecting spammers in Chicago with machines in Amsterdam, Moscow, Siberia, Beijing and Hong Kong before hooking up with Chicago again, said Alan Ralsky of the National Center for Bulk Email Advertising, one of the leaders of the Little CHINANET project. Spam will flow at 155 million bytes per second.
"This new network permits us to learn more from each other in areas where we have not worked together in the past," Ralsky said Monday.
[...]
Spammers have always chosen black-hat ISPs that assure them the capacity to send huge volumes of emails at speeds much faster than typical deliveries and for real-time bargains on high-tech penis enlargements, Ralsky said.
Little CHINANET - an acronym for Common Harbor for Incredibly Nasty Advertising Networks Exceeding Tolerance - will allow spammers and bulk hosters to work together on such issues as ignoring complaints, safeguarding spamvertised sites, monitoring server performance or joint open proxy exploration.
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Little CHINANET is a "first big step" toward development of the higher-speed CHINANET, Ralsky said. That effort, expected to be launched later this year, will send spam at 10 gigabytes per second, 60 times faster than the Little CHINANET.
Computer connections have fostered spam collaborations that otherwise might not have happened, Ralsky said.
"There's some advantage to having people being able to talk more regularly," he said. "There are fewer misunderstandings. I think these networks are going to be more important to the more critical issues that we're all addressing together."
This is interesting, you have a link?
Do they allow other political parties though? Still a far cry from european style socialism.
Q.
So there will be one ring to bind them? Hmmmm...
"A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
If it is a Sonet based or SDH based network it will .
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most likely be a series of rings, so that is a line is
cut at one point the ring will automatically reroute
the other direct
So called "Sonet Rings" are becoming common here in the US because
ppl like to employ the fiber seeking backhoe
google "32 trillion offshore needs IRS attention"
"So let's see, we've got a 100MBps fat pipe direct from the heartland of the U.S. to the largest communist nation in the world, but I still can't get a direct flight from Miami to a communist country 90 miles off our shore???"
You can't carry refugees/drugs/weapons/money/cigars with fibre. If you considered the fact that there's no need for data to go through customs, you wouldn't find this so 'odd'.
"Derp de derp."
Give up, Taco, your lowly tactics won't work! I won't register!
I don't know, maybe it could be good after all... that is, if it doesn't push the world record much above the 2 hour mark...
I wonder what kind of crappy laws they'll try to place on the use of their lines, and what useless organization they'll pay to enforce it.
...I'll still be getting glacial dialup service no matter what kind of gee-whiz show-boat crap they want to parade before the reporters. Five miles from a digital switch and you may as well be in the Amazon basin (you insensitive clods).
AC
Don't you mean a quasi capitalist totalitarian regime? China is nothing like Europe, and still doesn't respect human rights. If anything, it'll become a model for what corporations want America to be like: a country ruled by the corporations for the corporations with no rights given to the individual.
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Another step in succeeding our technological advantages to foreign competitors. The elites in America are really doing their best to level the country.
Are you a bit?
Some more info here...
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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/23/international
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Nahhh I just see match.com's stuff on sites all over the web. They and one other personals company basically run the whole market.
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Close, but it is a country ruled by the military backed elite for the corporations with no rights given to the individual. We have a word for this merging of totalitarianism and corporatism: fascism. The only deviation from the standard definition of fascism is the absence of a single, demigod-like leader (ie. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin). Though it could be argued that the memory of Mao serves this purpose.
Regardless, the person who compared China to Europe is spectacularly stupid. Unless they meant Europe of the 1930s.
Serve Gonk.
Now thats what I'm Tolkien about!
Maybe instead of diplomatic missions we're going to start settling trade disputes in a Quake arena.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
... as in, with crypto-signed messages (or even individual packets) going around...
;-)
I am wondering how much spam is going between banks on the SWIFT network (or whatever the proper name for that thing they use to move big $$ around). let me remind you, banks ARE businesses, but they have a bit more at stake than a chance to sell a $10 bottle of Viagra.
Paul B.
Why such a network restrict itself to above countries. I wonder why India is not part of it. Why not Japan and Israel? Countries like netherlands contributing to mobile technology so how can they be out of this ?
( OT: is 100MBps is anything big now a days? )
Does this mean the FIRE-WALL will be called the GREAT-FIRE-WALL?
public final transient String president = DUBYA;
mah haha, i can already see the Chino crooks posting warez files online, and making fake products. haha
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Where is the Russia getting any cash from nowadays? Maybe the Russia Mob will get its very own super computer.
lick the cancle button (at least thats what our Chinese QA says)
they would probably have to use a huge pool of people like match.com could offer or else the only people on it would be:
- female slashdotters
- women looking for geeks
either way, your probably looking at a 10:1 m:f ratio.
So people are talking about how this network will be free from spam and various other sociopathic Internet behavior. Maybe we could create another network and all pretend to use it instead of the Internet, and trick the spammers into leaving the real Internet for the new one! We could even get on the spammer network every once in a while and bitch about all the spam just to keep leading them on. Dude that would be so cool.
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>>As of this week China can be officially declared a FORMER communist country. The upper house >>introduced a bill that is sure to pass guarenteeing private property rights. This is the end of any idea of >>communism in China and the beginning of their own brand of socialist capatalism more along the lines >>of Europe.
>Do they allow other political parties though?
Thats not really relevent (in this context), the oposit of comunism is capitalism not democracy. There were many succesfull capitalist countries ruled by a benign totalitarian regime, eg.: Korea, Singapure or Chile, just as there were democratic communist parties were the people really do support the communists eg.: Zimbabwe, Venezuela and again Chile.
Not that I'm saing the government in PRC is a benig one.
I been to china and well I must say it takes the worst part of every political system and mungles it together to opress the people. They really do suffer alot in China not because of communism but because of the leaders.
;-)
I Usually say the worst from capitalism (USA) and the worst from communism, but then it would be a troll..
Whatever happened to Internet2?
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make install -not war
while people are jailed for going to non-state approved church services & the buildings used for such are bulldozed? Private property means nothing if the state claims ownership of your mind.
computers can meld with Chinese and Russian defense grid & become Skynet. /me dons his lead jockstrap
Provide comm lines you can spy on.
China is an emerging economic superpower, once it can shed away the shackles of outsourcing and start actually creating own products which sell.
Why was the first UN meeting held in San Francisco, USA? So that they could be spied upon.
Why did UN HQ end up in New York? The USA insisted on that. It made it easier to spy upon various nations and their diplomatic agendas. The Soviet Union did not object, because this way they could deliver more spies more easily to the USA!
Educational institutions in the EU are organized in an organization called DANTE, and they are connected (at gigabit speeds) by a network called GEANT.
http://www.geant.net
Connecting at a mere 155Mbps would be a major step down for all of those in Geant.
Duct tape + WD40 => DevOps
Now we can have high speed spam from China!
Currently Internet in Russia is rather expensive:
Dialup: $0.30 to $1.00 per hour
DSL: $30 to $100 per 1Gb
I do not know about Chinese prices, but probably also much more costly than in the US.
I've had bandwidth like this for ages between my CPU and RAM.
Looks like they may have to put some bigger heatsinks on that Great Firewall.
Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
How many discussions about politics and technology are going on on SWIFT? How much art creation or intellectual pursuit? How many blogs or personal homepages?:)
As far as I am concerned, using SWIFT would be even less fun than using the internet behind the Great Firewall of China.
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
This is a terrible idea. The worst possible thing for us to do would be open up another line directly to and from China. China currently supplies us with most of the spam email that Americans get. I say the last thing we should do is grant them more ways to abuse the internet. If anything we need to block China out completly.
to bring communist comrades to their knees. Brother, wake up! Pick up your sickle and hammer and take a whack at the optical fibers.
bhawawahwhwahawhwhawhwha.
Now the Chicoms can steal US technology without ever leaving the comforts of home.
You can tell a great deal about the character of a man by observing those who hate him.
That seems rather slow...
I can fill up a 100MBps lan all by my lonesome.. Wouldn't a gigabit netowrk be better?
You are right. It's more appropriate to compare it to the US of today.
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Dang. It sounded so good when I started reading.. Wouldn't marathon coding do?