It's not as easy as you may think to get good performance out of very large arrays. What would you use to cluster those petaboxes and provide a unified frontend to the cluster while maintaining a high IOPS and throughput?
You're right that there's not that much new here, but the first half of your comment indicates you have no idea the level of complexity involved in building an array this big.
If our tax system wasn't broken, minimum wage jobs wouldn't have to be poverty level jobs. Though I have a bit of a problem with that too, because minimum wage applies to everybody, but there is no good reason we should be obligated to pay, say, a 16 year old highschool student, a living wage.
All the H1Bs at my company with the same job title as the US workers all make approximately the same amount of money. And yes, I know, because they have to post the salaries as part of the application process. It's a myth, for the most part anyway, that H1Bs are low pay workers. They come here, persue an academic program most Americans were taught is too nerdy by US primary education, and pay taxes and contribute to the US economy. We should be giving them citizenship and kicking out the illegals instead. The reason that an H1B got the higher paying job and the American is flipping burgers is because Americans don't take education seriously anymore. It's part of the culture of the 1950's. The attitude is that it's the government's job to take care of that, that work isn't fun, and that your highschool prom is the most important day of your life. When you combine the fact that education should start at home with the mess politics has made of our education system, what you get is people who are unqualified for high paying jobs. Worse, they're unqualified to learn how to become qualified for a high paying job in a different field. Then you combine that with the '90s where a lot of unqulified people got jobs anyway, and you end up with a lot of unqualified people bitching that an H1B has "their job".
Find me a plumber, or an electrician who is bitching about H1Bs having their jobs. Those are some of the highest paying jobs around once you have several years of experience. Why aren't the H1B displaced fry cooks of the world going out and learning a trade? Why don't they have the basic skills for that already after going through the public education system? Why do people with a BA in philosophy or psychology expect to be employable after college, and why don't schools tell them that when they sign up?
Switch to Verizon business service. Sure, it's 60% more expensive, but in exchange you get no PPPoE, static IPs, no silly blocked ports or server restrictions, and intelligent tech support that answers the phone quickly. I've only had to deal with them once so far, but it took about 45 seconds for me to explain to the tech why I thought the problem was on their end, the guy confirmed and fixed the problem.
Unless we stop handing out H*-* visas entirely, there will be NO opportunity for our children to learn to work, because there will be no jobs available for them to learn to work IN. That applies more to H2-* visas than H1-* visas, but the idea is the same- if you give away all the entry level jobs, there will be no way to enter the workforce.
We've been handing them out for decades, yet we seem to have near record low unemployment... Yet countries like France, which have very protectionist policies, seem to have a serious problem getting their young people into the workforce. Something seems seriously wrong with your theory.
If we don't let US companies hire foreign workers in the US, the companies will move to a country where they can hire those workers. Here's a pop quiz: Which company is likely to hire more US citizens, a company with offices in the US with a mixture of US and non-US employees, or a company with offices overseas?
I suggest you weigh your ideas against some real life data and reconsider your position.
100% employment means that, rather than the plebes fighting one another over who will accept the lowest pay for a given demeaning job, the employers actually need to make honest, fair offers to get good employees, then treat them like humans to keep them.
Less than 100% employment doesn't mean that companies don't have to make honest, fair offers to get good employees. Damned close to 100% of good employees are either already employed, or will be unemployed for only a very short period of time.
100% employment, however, means no incentive to better yourself as a worker. That leads to low domestic innovation, low productivity, low job satisfaction, and eventually economic decline, increased poverty, etc.. Look at the long term unemployment statistics (people in good health, but out of work for more than six months) and you'll have a pretty good ideal of how many people we've got that don't posess the attitude required to remain employed. If we stoped teaching our children that work was that crappyt thing you do between weekends of beer and football, that number would go down. If we stopped handing out H1-Bs, it wouldn't.
A poor value? I don't know about that... One of those is a machine I'd actually want to carry around with me on a day to day basis, and the other is an enormous beast that is practically non-portable and better replaced with a desktop system... Even at the same price, it would be the best decision for me to go with the 15" over the 17". Of course, over $2000 for a laptop is just plain rediculous, and I say that as a person who has bought powerbooks in the past, so I wouldn't buy either of them.
I'm curious to know what you think capitalism v1.1 might look like? Where does all the property go?
Where the property goes is the least of the concerns. Since providing for your loved ones is one of the largest driving forces behind the human work ethic, what incentive would there be to achieve beyond the most basic of needs? If you take away the incentive for building wealth, what's the point of capatalism?
Heredity doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it, BTW. You can will your posessions to anybody you'd like. Many people give their money and property to a church, or a charity, for example.
The right to choose who gains control and responsibility of your assets when you die is a basic human right, and a driving force behind our society. While I respect the rights of people who think otherwise to hold that particular opinion, I will simultaniously hold them in the same regard as those who would own slaves.
Lucky for you, the AG has no role in the law making process whatsoever. There are much louder voices in the lobbying process, too. You're only hearing about this instead of the 500 other things he did yesterday because it's unpopular. If it makes it into law, it's not the AG's fault; it's congress' fault.
If they actually gave a shit about the content that young children are exposed to, then they would push for a.xxx domain name. Don't want XXX? filter it out.
Spoken like somebody who has no idea how the internet works...
The real problem here is that real journalists shouldn't have a lot of the rights that real journalists have... If they didn't, among other great things, we wouldn't neet to worry about the distinction.
If a journalist (blogger or otherwise) won't reveal the name a of a law breaking source, the journalist should be heald accountable in proxy. Combine that with the appropriate laws to protect whistle blowers, and we won't need a double standard to distinguish journalists from regular people. We'd also get the added benefit that journalists would no longer be able to make shit up and then say they used an anonymous source.
What is the point of slander, trade secret, or classification laws if they can be circumvented just by telling a journalist instead of some randome Joe?
How about I pay for the content I want, and only the content I want... I'll pay a fairly reasonable amount... $10/month per show I watch? Sounds good enough to me... In exchange, they stop trying to make laws that change how my electronics work.
Either you pay through public subscription
Say what? Why the hell should anybody do that? I don't want my money going to trash, or stuff I don't care about. Dispite what many would argue, I don't think broadcast media actually serves the public good whatsoever. Probably hurts, in fact.
Let them worry about how they get paid if they want to broadcast content free over the air. If they can't figure out how to make the broadcast business model work without getting their grubby mitts on the inside of my television, then let them go out of business. I'll read a book instead.
It's getting very hard to do that. There is a lot of new hardware that doesn't have Win2k drivers. As soon as you get a SATA machine without a legacy mode (there are some Dell machines already shipping this way, complete with SATA CD-ROM drives that aren't even supported in XP without jumping through hoops or using a Dell install CD), Windows 2000 will become an impossibility for you.
Oh, you mean those retarded bundles that for the most part try to con you in to buying the core system and some games you probably don't want?
Nope, just the "premium" system for $399.
Here order your damned Xbox, you can have it the day after tomorrow and quit your bitching... Oh, what's that you say? You already have one, or you wouldn't be blathering on like a fanboy? Where'd you get it? I thought there was a shortage?
They're sitting back and raking in profits. People keep buying them, even at $149.
Considering how old the PS2 is now, and how little life it has left in it, this just serves as further proof that Sony is out of touch with the US market.
Considering sales, and the similar situation they had when the PSOne came out, it's clear that they're well in touch with the US market. PS2 is still outselling the Xbox360, and there's no reason to expect that it will stop any time between now and when the 360 exits the market.
The day the 360 came out, the original Xbox was dead. A big 'Fuck You' to everybody who purchased one in the last two years, simply because Microsoft was too stupid to figure out how to make a profit on the hardware over the long term. Buy a Microsoft console, and you get an average of 3 years of service out of the platform. Buy a Sony console and get an average of 10 years... You think parents don't see that when they buy a console for their kids?
Until it seems to be resolved which HD format is going to finally be THE ONE that the market settles on, I'm not buying any hardware.
Judging by how the studio backings are shaping up, it's likely there won't be the One True Format this time. Both formats will ship, and unless the PS3 sells way better than expected, market share is going to be 60/40 one way or the other. Either Blu-Ray will ride the success of the PS3 and take over the world (unlikely), or both formats will succeed. Expect wide availability of dual-format players for Christmas time 2007.
Oh... come ON, if you'd have said task without qualifying it, then I might have hoped you didn't mean pthread_create() but I still wouldn't have put a lot of money on it.
Yeah, I could have said that, but it wouldn't have meant the right thing, because I was trying really hard not to be specific.
You're taking what I'm saying, applying all sorts of technical details that were intentionally left out, and calling me wrong based on those details. The best part about all of this is that it doesn't even negate my initial assertion, which was that in real life, programming involves multiple threads of execution.
can easily use pthread_create() and manage the outcome that results. fork() is certainly not going to enter the equation
It doesn't matter if you use pthread_create, fork, &, open PIPE, "$1 |", mexec, or whatever. The point was that you need to be able to view each thread of execution as a unit.
Again with the "developers just need to understand threads" theory? [...] And if you have a real OS (Ie. not from microsoft) then doing fork() and explicitly stating which bits of data you want to share is less prone to errors, more maintainable and just as efficent/scalable.
Are we having the same conversation here? Did you insert a whole bunch of discourse that didn't actually happen inside your head so you could show how much you know? What theory am I talking about all of a sudden, and without my knowledge? Congratulations, you have a four digit user id and a three character domain name. That and a quarter will get you a pack of gum. Go get some real world experience and reading comprehension skills.
Just FYI: Calling fork gives you another thread of execution. Just because I used the word 'threads' doesn't mean I meant it in the posix sense. I meant it as a computer science term, and not an implementation specific term. Multiple processes using IPC of one form or another is a parallel programming technique.
So you (and "most programmers" you've worked with) either believe that you really are much better than all of the Linux and Solaris kernels developers...
The problems you point to aren't due to the problems being difficult (not that they aren't difficult, but who says your job as a programmer has to be easy?), but due to laziness. Do an informal survey of how many Linux kernel hackers think it's easiest to design while you're writing the code instead of designing ahead of time and you'll find the problem.
We'll skip the peridoxical nature of your question about what I believe, as I, and many of the people I have worked with are kernel developers.
Coverity has found hundreds if not thousands of threading bugs in Linux, and there must certainly be many it hasn't.
Oh, come on. Have you ever used Coverity. 99% of the shit it finds is because it is too stupid to realize what code and what states are unreachable. They're 'bugs in theory', not necessarily real bugs. It's telling you that your code is sloppy, not necessarily that it's going to break.
Alt-tabbing over to another app during a game is instantaneous and snappy
As sombody who has been using dual processors on his desktop PC since 1996 (It was a Dual Pentium 133 back then), I'd like to ask: Where are you suddenly getting all the memory bus bandwidth to make "Alt-Tabbing" from a game in windows 'snappy'? It must not be a very resource intensive game...
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It's not as easy as you may think to get good performance out of very large arrays. What would you use to cluster those petaboxes and provide a unified frontend to the cluster while maintaining a high IOPS and throughput?
You're right that there's not that much new here, but the first half of your comment indicates you have no idea the level of complexity involved in building an array this big.
If our tax system wasn't broken, minimum wage jobs wouldn't have to be poverty level jobs. Though I have a bit of a problem with that too, because minimum wage applies to everybody, but there is no good reason we should be obligated to pay, say, a 16 year old highschool student, a living wage.
All the H1Bs at my company with the same job title as the US workers all make approximately the same amount of money. And yes, I know, because they have to post the salaries as part of the application process. It's a myth, for the most part anyway, that H1Bs are low pay workers. They come here, persue an academic program most Americans were taught is too nerdy by US primary education, and pay taxes and contribute to the US economy. We should be giving them citizenship and kicking out the illegals instead. The reason that an H1B got the higher paying job and the American is flipping burgers is because Americans don't take education seriously anymore. It's part of the culture of the 1950's. The attitude is that it's the government's job to take care of that, that work isn't fun, and that your highschool prom is the most important day of your life. When you combine the fact that education should start at home with the mess politics has made of our education system, what you get is people who are unqualified for high paying jobs. Worse, they're unqualified to learn how to become qualified for a high paying job in a different field. Then you combine that with the '90s where a lot of unqulified people got jobs anyway, and you end up with a lot of unqualified people bitching that an H1B has "their job".
Find me a plumber, or an electrician who is bitching about H1Bs having their jobs. Those are some of the highest paying jobs around once you have several years of experience. Why aren't the H1B displaced fry cooks of the world going out and learning a trade? Why don't they have the basic skills for that already after going through the public education system? Why do people with a BA in philosophy or psychology expect to be employable after college, and why don't schools tell them that when they sign up?
Switch to Verizon business service. Sure, it's 60% more expensive, but in exchange you get no PPPoE, static IPs, no silly blocked ports or server restrictions, and intelligent tech support that answers the phone quickly. I've only had to deal with them once so far, but it took about 45 seconds for me to explain to the tech why I thought the problem was on their end, the guy confirmed and fixed the problem.
Unless we stop handing out H*-* visas entirely, there will be NO opportunity for our children to learn to work, because there will be no jobs available for them to learn to work IN. That applies more to H2-* visas than H1-* visas, but the idea is the same- if you give away all the entry level jobs, there will be no way to enter the workforce.
We've been handing them out for decades, yet we seem to have near record low unemployment... Yet countries like France, which have very protectionist policies, seem to have a serious problem getting their young people into the workforce. Something seems seriously wrong with your theory.
If we don't let US companies hire foreign workers in the US, the companies will move to a country where they can hire those workers. Here's a pop quiz: Which company is likely to hire more US citizens, a company with offices in the US with a mixture of US and non-US employees, or a company with offices overseas?
I suggest you weigh your ideas against some real life data and reconsider your position.
100% employment means that, rather than the plebes fighting one another over who will accept the lowest pay for a given demeaning job, the employers actually need to make honest, fair offers to get good employees, then treat them like humans to keep them.
Less than 100% employment doesn't mean that companies don't have to make honest, fair offers to get good employees. Damned close to 100% of good employees are either already employed, or will be unemployed for only a very short period of time.
100% employment, however, means no incentive to better yourself as a worker. That leads to low domestic innovation, low productivity, low job satisfaction, and eventually economic decline, increased poverty, etc.. Look at the long term unemployment statistics (people in good health, but out of work for more than six months) and you'll have a pretty good ideal of how many people we've got that don't posess the attitude required to remain employed. If we stoped teaching our children that work was that crappyt thing you do between weekends of beer and football, that number would go down. If we stopped handing out H1-Bs, it wouldn't.
A poor value? I don't know about that... One of those is a machine I'd actually want to carry around with me on a day to day basis, and the other is an enormous beast that is practically non-portable and better replaced with a desktop system... Even at the same price, it would be the best decision for me to go with the 15" over the 17". Of course, over $2000 for a laptop is just plain rediculous, and I say that as a person who has bought powerbooks in the past, so I wouldn't buy either of them.
Does your fryer remain powered up after the cord is rapidly yanked?
Didn't think so.
I'm curious to know what you think capitalism v1.1 might look like? Where does all the property go?
Where the property goes is the least of the concerns. Since providing for your loved ones is one of the largest driving forces behind the human work ethic, what incentive would there be to achieve beyond the most basic of needs? If you take away the incentive for building wealth, what's the point of capatalism?
Heredity doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it, BTW. You can will your posessions to anybody you'd like. Many people give their money and property to a church, or a charity, for example.
The right to choose who gains control and responsibility of your assets when you die is a basic human right, and a driving force behind our society. While I respect the rights of people who think otherwise to hold that particular opinion, I will simultaniously hold them in the same regard as those who would own slaves.
Somtimes it feels good to flame the crap out of somebody.
Most people have a sense of humor.
Actually, I want to meet these guys so I can get said venture capatalist's business card.
Lucky for you, the AG has no role in the law making process whatsoever. There are much louder voices in the lobbying process, too. You're only hearing about this instead of the 500 other things he did yesterday because it's unpopular. If it makes it into law, it's not the AG's fault; it's congress' fault.
If they actually gave a shit about the content that young children are exposed to, then they would push for a .xxx domain name. Don't want XXX? filter it out.
Spoken like somebody who has no idea how the internet works...
The real problem here is that real journalists shouldn't have a lot of the rights that real journalists have... If they didn't, among other great things, we wouldn't neet to worry about the distinction.
If a journalist (blogger or otherwise) won't reveal the name a of a law breaking source, the journalist should be heald accountable in proxy. Combine that with the appropriate laws to protect whistle blowers, and we won't need a double standard to distinguish journalists from regular people. We'd also get the added benefit that journalists would no longer be able to make shit up and then say they used an anonymous source.
What is the point of slander, trade secret, or classification laws if they can be circumvented just by telling a journalist instead of some randome Joe?
How about I pay for the content I want, and only the content I want... I'll pay a fairly reasonable amount... $10/month per show I watch? Sounds good enough to me... In exchange, they stop trying to make laws that change how my electronics work.
Either you pay through public subscription
Say what? Why the hell should anybody do that? I don't want my money going to trash, or stuff I don't care about. Dispite what many would argue, I don't think broadcast media actually serves the public good whatsoever. Probably hurts, in fact.
Let them worry about how they get paid if they want to broadcast content free over the air. If they can't figure out how to make the broadcast business model work without getting their grubby mitts on the inside of my television, then let them go out of business. I'll read a book instead.
Wow. It looks like they stole the widget set from MacOS 9 and crossed it with dialogs from Gimp 0.9.
It's getting very hard to do that. There is a lot of new hardware that doesn't have Win2k drivers. As soon as you get a SATA machine without a legacy mode (there are some Dell machines already shipping this way, complete with SATA CD-ROM drives that aren't even supported in XP without jumping through hoops or using a Dell install CD), Windows 2000 will become an impossibility for you.
Doh... I should have pre-viewed... I meant to delete one of those 'having's.
Also, it's just the reader.. If you pony up the cash for 'Pro' you can run on 2000.
Then tell me what apps run on XP that don't run on Win2K. I can't think of any.
Adobe Acrobat 7.0.
Not for any good reason other than Adobe having long ago having drunk the Microsoft Cool-Aid though.
Oh, you mean those retarded bundles that for the most part try to con you in to buying the core system and some games you probably don't want?
Nope, just the "premium" system for $399.
Here order your damned Xbox, you can have it the day after tomorrow and quit your bitching... Oh, what's that you say? You already have one, or you wouldn't be blathering on like a fanboy? Where'd you get it? I thought there was a shortage?
So where are these 360s
Apparently, stacked in an enormous pyramid on the floor at BestBuy in Marlboro, MA.
They're sitting back and raking in profits. People keep buying them, even at $149.
Considering how old the PS2 is now, and how little life it has left in it, this just serves as further proof that Sony is out of touch with the US market.
Considering sales, and the similar situation they had when the PSOne came out, it's clear that they're well in touch with the US market. PS2 is still outselling the Xbox360, and there's no reason to expect that it will stop any time between now and when the 360 exits the market.
The day the 360 came out, the original Xbox was dead. A big 'Fuck You' to everybody who purchased one in the last two years, simply because Microsoft was too stupid to figure out how to make a profit on the hardware over the long term. Buy a Microsoft console, and you get an average of 3 years of service out of the platform. Buy a Sony console and get an average of 10 years... You think parents don't see that when they buy a console for their kids?
Until it seems to be resolved which HD format is going to finally be THE ONE that the market settles on, I'm not buying any hardware.
Judging by how the studio backings are shaping up, it's likely there won't be the One True Format this time. Both formats will ship, and unless the PS3 sells way better than expected, market share is going to be 60/40 one way or the other. Either Blu-Ray will ride the success of the PS3 and take over the world (unlikely), or both formats will succeed. Expect wide availability of dual-format players for Christmas time 2007.
Oh ... come ON, if you'd have said task without qualifying it, then I might have hoped you didn't mean pthread_create() but I still wouldn't have put a lot of money on it.
Yeah, I could have said that, but it wouldn't have meant the right thing, because I was trying really hard not to be specific.
You're taking what I'm saying, applying all sorts of technical details that were intentionally left out, and calling me wrong based on those details. The best part about all of this is that it doesn't even negate my initial assertion, which was that in real life, programming involves multiple threads of execution.
can easily use pthread_create() and manage the outcome that results. fork() is certainly not going to enter the equation
It doesn't matter if you use pthread_create, fork, &, open PIPE, "$1 |", mexec, or whatever. The point was that you need to be able to view each thread of execution as a unit.
Oh great. A response from a know-it-all.
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Again with the "developers just need to understand threads" theory? [...] And if you have a real OS (Ie. not from microsoft) then doing fork() and explicitly stating which bits of data you want to share is less prone to errors, more maintainable and just as efficent/scalable.
Are we having the same conversation here? Did you insert a whole bunch of discourse that didn't actually happen inside your head so you could show how much you know? What theory am I talking about all of a sudden, and without my knowledge? Congratulations, you have a four digit user id and a three character domain name. That and a quarter will get you a pack of gum. Go get some real world experience and reading comprehension skills.
Just FYI: Calling fork gives you another thread of execution. Just because I used the word 'threads' doesn't mean I meant it in the posix sense. I meant it as a computer science term, and not an implementation specific term. Multiple processes using IPC of one form or another is a parallel programming technique.
So you (and "most programmers" you've worked with) either believe that you really are much better than all of the Linux and Solaris kernels developers
The problems you point to aren't due to the problems being difficult (not that they aren't difficult, but who says your job as a programmer has to be easy?), but due to laziness. Do an informal survey of how many Linux kernel hackers think it's easiest to design while you're writing the code instead of designing ahead of time and you'll find the problem.
We'll skip the peridoxical nature of your question about what I believe, as I, and many of the people I have worked with are kernel developers.
Coverity has found hundreds if not thousands of threading bugs in Linux, and there must certainly be many it hasn't.
Oh, come on. Have you ever used Coverity. 99% of the shit it finds is because it is too stupid to realize what code and what states are unreachable. They're 'bugs in theory', not necessarily real bugs. It's telling you that your code is sloppy, not necessarily that it's going to break.
Alt-tabbing over to another app during a game is instantaneous and snappy
As sombody who has been using dual processors on his desktop PC since 1996 (It was a Dual Pentium 133 back then), I'd like to ask: Where are you suddenly getting all the memory bus bandwidth to make "Alt-Tabbing" from a game in windows 'snappy'? It must not be a very resource intensive game...