I don't remember actually ever seeing a number in a creationists bible, there is a small sect of people that believe you can do a direct lineage trace but that is deffinetly not really main stream. Ask most of them and you'll get a "I don't know how old it is" statement. Again creationism doesn't give any timeline, just basically says that $DEITY created world; some small sects have tried to do a geneology timeline but that his hardly main-stream creationist belief.
And to answer your question, yes; and I fail to see where the two are mutually exclussive.
Your article only says that 40% believed that only creationism should be taught in public school. It does not say anything about how old they thought the earth is.
i.e. my grandfather has been a deacon in his church for a few decades, he'd probably say that creationism should be taught in schools. That does not allow you to make the *HUGE* jump that he believes the earth is only 6k years old. Let alone your overly massive generlization of a huge population.
Umm... the Democratic party is in the pockets of the media companies (78% of almost $40 mil went to the Democratic party). Who do you think was the major push behind this? Who do you think gets the MOST money from the movie picture association??? In 2000 Hillary Clinton was the highest senator with donations from the Movie/Tv/Music industry (2nd overall, Al Gore got the most).
Not sure where you got the idea that the two parties were ever different on the money thing. For as long as there have been to parties they both have been getting money, it's really not something new (I guess the Repubs have been more vilified over the years for it though)
Where are you getting the charge for a new car alarm? Everybody keeps saying it like that's what could be charged. It's not. It's like saying "I can prove you wrong because 2+2 != 5", but I never said 2+2=5 why are you saying that other than to hide the fact that you have no real meat behind your argument.
Not for the cost of the alarm (unless he damaged that), but you can sure charge him for the cost of repair to your vehicle i.e. in this case your OS is your vehicle.
Anyway, analogies are a stupid way to put forth an argument.
So you intentionally did it, bragged about it and didn't expect any problems to come out of it? I don't know what kind fantasy world you were living in but it sure isn't reality. Step up to the plate take the responsibility, you intentionally did it, you affected other's work.
What "right side" are you fighting from, the right to randomly crack into other's systems just because you want to prove a point?
How about I'd prefer nobody in my network without authorization to begin with.
I don't believe I ever said that I don't want them to tell me how they got in, I said that I'm not going to believe them. How can you take it at face value that a person who hacks into your system is going to tell you everything? Are you willing to risk your and everyone elses jobs on that? I'd be very happy for them to tell me, but you can be damn sure the first thing I'm doing is taking it completely offline, doing a full forensics disk duplication, rebuilding it and replacing it, no matter what he said. The fact that he "told" me how he got in, gives me absolutely no security at all, you'd be a complete fool to believe it.
So what makes him exempt? What's so special about him that I should trust him over the 20 others? Why should I belive that he's not actually of the same vein as the 20 others and left me a small fix to make me feel safe but left an unknown backdoor?
That is why a complete and TOTAL teardown and rebuild of the system is absolutely required.
But the prior work isn't part of the issue here. The previous poster said the cost shouldn't be as much since he told them what he did. Obviously anybody who's going to just sit by and say "OK, that's it" is a complete moron. Analogies are terrible ways to put for an argument but here's mine in response to yours:
A completely new hack comes out, nobody in the white hat world knows about, and there isn't a known patch. What prior work can be done?
And sure you can get him the burglar to pay for it, if he used a master key to get into your house you could sue him for replacement, why would you think you couldn't?
I never quite got this... would you really trust a hacker to tell you everything he did? Some anonymous person on the internet breaks into your system and you will just take his word for it? A security incident is a security incident you have to do the same work either way:
offline the system investigate the system to find intrusion do a complete reload from scratch identify other systems on the network with same vulnerability accessable by compromised system make decision to roll dice and guess others were not compromised or rebuild those systems also
number of steps left out but you get the drift, the entire network is compromised and I don't trust my job let alone hundreds of fellow employees jobs, on a completely unknown person telling me they really didn't leave any back doors and didn't do anything at all after they intentionally broke into a system
Dude you need to put the crack pipe down a bit more often, you get spun way to easily...
I don't believe I've mentioned "intelligent life" or anything even hinting at some form of enlightened "existence". Previous poster (probably you, now as A.C. because you realize how incorrect you were) said: "every sperm is sacred nutjobs... experiment was with mere cells". I responded with posts stating that sperm is comprised of mere cells. Poster (i.e. you) then ignorantly responded with a statement about the number of cells, I responded asking poster (you) just how many cells are in a single sperm cell.
Do you not see the humor in the with that exchange? I can say he (you) does have a never say die attitude, even in the face of facts. Poster (you) trying to support the statement when it's so obviously knocked down by the slightest brease, made me laugh out loud...
What do you think sperm is made out of, cardboard? You do realize that a human is basically composed completely of "mere cells"? Individually they aren't that interesting but put bunches of them together and the mere cells become you.
Let me refresh you memory, that happened *multiple* times the released stable 2.4 kernel, and not just the early ones.
2.4.11 Symlink issue 2.4.15 unmounting the filesystem would cause it to be corrupted. 2.4.20 ext3 data corruption bug
Not sure when the Reiser one I ran into got fixed (it's still not for Redhat Advanced Server, RH says reiser's not supported and closed it from bugzilla) that I ran into, create a file >2gig system CPU goes through the roof, the file disappears but you can't get back the space from 2gig file even using the Reiser tools. Sucks to know you have 2gig there but you can't get to it anymore.
Technically, just because DVI's involved doesn't mean that it's encrypted. When it's boiled down, DVI isn't encrypted it's the medium the encryption (HDCP) travels on, almost like SSL travels on ethernet.
Well my -R Sony can say that, of course it also can say +R at the same time. Goto dvdrhelp and compare the feature list they are the same (the pioneer is less expensive, but the sony is a bit faster on CD & dvd-rw)
Again, I'd say it's not really innovative. I use mplayer myself, but none of those features are innovations among themselves, it emulates the functionality of other products under one product which is a really nice thing but not really innovative. Maybe I just have a narrower view of innovation than you do.
Umm... I'm going to disagree with you, because basically all that you listed are not innovations but duplications & extentions.
Xine & Mplayer are great players but do they do anything new and "innovative"? KDE & Gnome again different look and feel but not really innovative. Office again not innovative. Great examples of duplicating ideas, that often work better than the original (after a few vers) but innovative? No.
In general the reason being: it's not a federal issue until it hits >$5,000 in damages. Until then you are supposed to deal with your local organizations (there is a reason for your local government, you know. Does one go directly to the CEA to get more toiletpaper in the batchroom?).
In this case specifically a resonable analogy would be, a technically competent end-user in a corporate environment doesn't contact the FBI their IT dept does. The user here doesn't have control over the DHCP/DNS servers, doesn't manage them in anyway. What do you expect from a federal organization in this situation... 20 feds flown down to look at an end-users system that hadn't receive any monetary losses yet?
A more defined notification authority would be nice, but you can't expect every single end user to call the FBI. As an end-user contact you local officials you are paying taxes for them, if you are the owners of the compromised systems and you incurred financial loss then you can bump it up to a federal level (remember local/state organizations can sometimes even provide better service than the FBI, and then there are some that are stupid)
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I don't remember actually ever seeing a number in a creationists bible, there is a small sect of people that believe you can do a direct lineage trace but that is deffinetly not really main stream. Ask most of them and you'll get a "I don't know how old it is" statement. Again creationism doesn't give any timeline, just basically says that $DEITY created world; some small sects have tried to do a geneology timeline but that his hardly main-stream creationist belief.
And to answer your question, yes; and I fail to see where the two are mutually exclussive.
Shhh... don't let the secret out
Your article only says that 40% believed that only creationism should be taught in public school. It does not say anything about how old they thought the earth is.
i.e. my grandfather has been a deacon in his church for a few decades, he'd probably say that creationism should be taught in schools. That does not allow you to make the *HUGE* jump that he believes the earth is only 6k years old. Let alone your overly massive generlization of a huge population.
OK, now show me the proof that there are even a million Americans who believe that the earth is 6000 years old.
Umm... the Democratic party is in the pockets of the media companies (78% of almost $40 mil went to the Democratic party). Who do you think was the major push behind this? Who do you think gets the MOST money from the movie picture association??? In 2000 Hillary Clinton was the highest senator with donations from the Movie/Tv/Music industry (2nd overall, Al Gore got the most).
Not sure where you got the idea that the two parties were ever different on the money thing. For as long as there have been to parties they both have been getting money, it's really not something new (I guess the Repubs have been more vilified over the years for it though)
I'm saying yes you can bill the time cost as damages, and I fail to see a reason why I shouldn't be able to.
Where are you getting the charge for a new car alarm? Everybody keeps saying it like that's what could be charged. It's not. It's like saying "I can prove you wrong because 2+2 != 5", but I never said 2+2=5 why are you saying that other than to hide the fact that you have no real meat behind your argument.
Not for the cost of the alarm (unless he damaged that), but you can sure charge him for the cost of repair to your vehicle i.e. in this case your OS is your vehicle.
Anyway, analogies are a stupid way to put forth an argument.
So you intentionally did it, bragged about it and didn't expect any problems to come out of it? I don't know what kind fantasy world you were living in but it sure isn't reality. Step up to the plate take the responsibility, you intentionally did it, you affected other's work.
What "right side" are you fighting from, the right to randomly crack into other's systems just because you want to prove a point?
How about I'd prefer nobody in my network without authorization to begin with.
I don't believe I ever said that I don't want them to tell me how they got in, I said that I'm not going to believe them. How can you take it at face value that a person who hacks into your system is going to tell you everything? Are you willing to risk your and everyone elses jobs on that? I'd be very happy for them to tell me, but you can be damn sure the first thing I'm doing is taking it completely offline, doing a full forensics disk duplication, rebuilding it and replacing it, no matter what he said. The fact that he "told" me how he got in, gives me absolutely no security at all, you'd be a complete fool to believe it.
So what makes him exempt? What's so special about him that I should trust him over the 20 others? Why should I belive that he's not actually of the same vein as the 20 others and left me a small fix to make me feel safe but left an unknown backdoor?
That is why a complete and TOTAL teardown and rebuild of the system is absolutely required.
But the prior work isn't part of the issue here. The previous poster said the cost shouldn't be as much since he told them what he did. Obviously anybody who's going to just sit by and say "OK, that's it" is a complete moron. Analogies are terrible ways to put for an argument but here's mine in response to yours:
A completely new hack comes out, nobody in the white hat world knows about, and there isn't a known patch. What prior work can be done?
And sure you can get him the burglar to pay for it, if he used a master key to get into your house you could sue him for replacement, why would you think you couldn't?
I never quite got this... would you really trust a hacker to tell you everything he did? Some anonymous person on the internet breaks into your system and you will just take his word for it? A security incident is a security incident you have to do the same work either way:
offline the system
investigate the system to find intrusion
do a complete reload from scratch
identify other systems on the network with same vulnerability accessable by compromised system
make decision to roll dice and guess others were not compromised or rebuild those systems also
number of steps left out but you get the drift, the entire network is compromised and I don't trust my job let alone hundreds of fellow employees jobs, on a completely unknown person telling me they really didn't leave any back doors and didn't do anything at all after they intentionally broke into a system
What you talking about Willis?
Sendmail & Postfix support virtual domains with no problems.
Postfix: http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#virtual_domains
Sendmail you can do it extremely easily with the virtualusertable (and I have for years and years)
Dude you need to put the crack pipe down a bit more often, you get spun way to easily...
I don't believe I've mentioned "intelligent life" or anything even hinting at some form of enlightened "existence". Previous poster (probably you, now as A.C. because you realize how incorrect you were) said: "every sperm is sacred nutjobs... experiment was with mere cells". I responded with posts stating that sperm is comprised of mere cells. Poster (i.e. you) then ignorantly responded with a statement about the number of cells, I responded asking poster (you) just how many cells are in a single sperm cell.
Do you not see the humor in the with that exchange? I can say he (you) does have a never say die attitude, even in the face of facts. Poster (you) trying to support the statement when it's so obviously knocked down by the slightest brease, made me laugh out loud...
I choose "a)" here's a question for you:
How just many cells do you think are in a single sperm cell when it joins with a single egg cell (hint: the word cell isn't plural).
Umm... thanks for playing, too bad you lost.
What do you think sperm is made out of, cardboard? You do realize that a human is basically composed completely of "mere cells"? Individually they aren't that interesting but put bunches of them together and the mere cells become you.
Let me refresh you memory, that happened *multiple* times the released stable 2.4 kernel, and not just the early ones.
2.4.11 Symlink issue
2.4.15 unmounting the filesystem would cause it to be corrupted.
2.4.20 ext3 data corruption bug
Not sure when the Reiser one I ran into got fixed (it's still not for Redhat Advanced Server, RH says reiser's not supported and closed it from bugzilla) that I ran into, create a file >2gig system CPU goes through the roof, the file disappears but you can't get back the space from 2gig file even using the Reiser tools. Sucks to know you have 2gig there but you can't get to it anymore.
Technically, just because DVI's involved doesn't mean that it's encrypted. When it's boiled down, DVI isn't encrypted it's the medium the encryption (HDCP) travels on, almost like SSL travels on ethernet.
Well my -R Sony can say that, of course it also can say +R at the same time. Goto dvdrhelp and compare the feature list they are the same (the pioneer is less expensive, but the sony is a bit faster on CD & dvd-rw)
Again, I'd say it's not really innovative. I use mplayer myself, but none of those features are innovations among themselves, it emulates the functionality of other products under one product which is a really nice thing but not really innovative. Maybe I just have a narrower view of innovation than you do.
Umm... I'm going to disagree with you, because basically all that you listed are not innovations but duplications & extentions.
Xine & Mplayer are great players but do they do anything new and "innovative"? KDE & Gnome again different look and feel but not really innovative. Office again not innovative. Great examples of duplicating ideas, that often work better than the original (after a few vers) but innovative? No.
In general the reason being: it's not a federal issue until it hits >$5,000 in damages. Until then you are supposed to deal with your local organizations (there is a reason for your local government, you know. Does one go directly to the CEA to get more toiletpaper in the batchroom?).
In this case specifically a resonable analogy would be, a technically competent end-user in a corporate environment doesn't contact the FBI their IT dept does. The user here doesn't have control over the DHCP/DNS servers, doesn't manage them in anyway. What do you expect from a federal organization in this situation... 20 feds flown down to look at an end-users system that hadn't receive any monetary losses yet?
A more defined notification authority would be nice, but you can't expect every single end user to call the FBI. As an end-user contact you local officials you are paying taxes for them, if you are the owners of the compromised systems and you incurred financial loss then you can bump it up to a federal level (remember local/state organizations can sometimes even provide better service than the FBI, and then there are some that are stupid)
They've also been doing it on movie channels for quite some time (I remember seeing it popup quite often on the Action channel last year).
I'd agree with you, except for the fact that MS put out a patch long before any exploits were discovered in the wild.
MS issued a fix in October, months later in January Slammer came to light attacking systems who were not using the patch.