I take it you haven't looked at the security patches for Linux lately. Remember the root compromises that were out just a couple of weeks ago, or did you not "evaluate, install, test and support" those root compromise patches.
The E10k was built by Cray, using Sun parts (kind of like how they used DEC parts previously). The internal group responsible was the "Cray Research Superservers" it was inside Cray not Sun. When SGI purchased Cray they (insanely) sold the CRS group to Sun which shortly thereafter Sun released the Cray created & developed E10k as a Sun product.
No you are incorrect. OSS does not mean it doesn't cost anything, it doesn't mean that you aren't putting out commercial software, it means you have additional rights.
Check out http://www.fsf.org/gnu/thegnuproject.html the granddady of the "movement" (hate the word movement but can't think of anything better) RMS even says it.
The term "free software" is sometimes misunderstood--it has nothing to do with price. It is about freedom. Since "free" refers to freedom, not to price, there is no contradiction between selling copies and free software. In fact, the freedom to sell copies is crucial:...
There are lots of no-cost non-OSS software out there, goto your favorite utility website and download something. Winamp is a perfect example of this, it's free to download, install and use; doesn't cost a dime, is it OSS no, among other things against it where's the source?
Again no-cost != OSS, if it did the bill would say that they are foced to look at no-cost software instead of OSS.
No you are incorrect. OSS does not mean it doesn't cost anything, it doesn't mean that you aren't putting out commercial software, it means you have additional rights.
Check out http://www.fsf.org/gnu/thegnuproject.html the granddady of the "movement" (hate the word movement but can't think of anything better) RMS even says it.
The term "free software" is sometimes misunderstood--it has nothing to do with price. It is about freedom. Since "free" refers to freedom, not to price, there is no contradiction between selling copies and free software. In fact, the freedom to sell copies is crucial...
There are lots of no-cost non-OSS software out there, goto your favorite utility website and download something. I can download winamp and use it at no-cost, is it OSS??? No. Again no-cost != OSS, if it did the bill would say that they are forced to look at no-cost software instead of OSS.
You've fallen into the old trap: OSS is not free as far as capital goes. There have never been any statements that OSS is free or that it *even* costs less to purchase. Remember free as in speach not as in beer.
Dude there are a standard ways to connect things today. If he had mentioned anything about a copyright flag, etc, then I'd believe what you are saying but re-read his post. He's talking about wanting to be able to take someones file decompress it and then send it directly to a device without having to re-encode it, DVI does that today.
If you want to get into what you think he's talking about, HDMI is the new standard that consumer electronics are going to be used. Devices are probably hiting shelves end of this year beginning of next, but it is backward compatible with DVI (basically just use the DVI interconnect and run HDCP over it). There is some debate as to whether or not you'll get full capabilities if you don't honor the flag. Well whatta you know it's that pesky standard interconnect I mentioned before DVI. Hmm sure looks like I KNOW WHAT THE FUCK I'M TALKING ABOUT, since DVI is a standard today HDMI is the encrypted standard which uses DVI. Now goto school junior.
Just because I don't put some Rah Rah PHD at the end of my posts doesn't mean you should make any assumptions as to my knowledge base. How do you know I do or don't work in the industry.
Glad to know composer777 is a plain dick, that when someone puts a PHD behind their name it's a sin to disagree with him; that he like to make assumptions as to you knowledgebase because you correct someone who has a PHD behind their name.
Firewire may top out at 3.2Gbs, but I'd like to see you get one, just because it's in the standard doesn't mean you have any access to one. As far as I know the furthest it's goteen is when Ti put out the first 800mb version in Jan.
On the codec side, well that's kind of a "well duh" statement, once it goes through a codec it is no longer "uncompressed video", am I missing some here? That device can capture raw uncompressed video and run it through a codec to compress it. There are *no* codecs for uncompressed video if you want it to stay uncompressed video; again once it goes through a codec it is no longer uncompressed.
Wow, everything you said is basically wrong. raw uncompressed video is a standard today. How did this get modded up to 5.
Uncompressed video is just that, it contains every pixel, it's location and the color for each one on the screen. No device has to have any intelligence, just turn on the pixel. That's how everything actually talks today after it get's uncompressed, so obviously everybody already knows how to talk uncompressed digital.
I'm guessing you didn't know that raw HDTV 1080i @60 runs at ~1.5gbs or around 187MB/sec or a TERABYTE for a 2 hour movie. Yup consumers are just ready to decompress from their *proprietary* codecs (interesting dig) and store uncompressed video. You're going to have an extremely difficult time just getting that performance off your PCI buss which normally maxes out at 166MB/sec, not even taking into consideration how many drives you'd need to write 187MB/sec.
Lastly you do realize that DVI is already in the consumer grade market, I've got one on my video card today. DVI dumps raw video out now, it's not doing any uncompression, etc just throws the bits around and very handily pass raw HDTV resolutions and greater (1600x1200, etc). Many people (enthusiasts) are using DVI inputs already (firewire tops out at 400MB) for digital through and through, all you need is a regular computer with DVI output and a display that has DVI inputs (DLP projector, plasma, LCD, etc). You might be complaining that DVI displays maybe more difficult to find, today they basically on displays that are digital through and through, most displays do analog output and don't have them (though they are out there).
Awww, can't take that your attempt failed miserably? You posted the controversy trying to be an ass it was way too obvious you were baiting; so I just fucked with you a bit. Talk about growing up, look at *your* original post in this thread.
You don't want Raid-5 with a video editing system, your write performance will kill you. Having to calculate parity is going to make it *noticeably* slower. Even having a dedicated hardware raid device with cache you will notice a write performance hit, but it's eased a bit. Raid 10 is what your custom shop should have properly suggested.
Too bad about the rest of the problem, a proper admin is worth their weight in gold.
Having used Irix since the early years of 5.3 and EFS, I can say it *is/was* great. I'm not sure what you mean about the the non-standard idioms, heck there have been quite a bit of Linux features taken from SGI directly. The only really non-standard stuff was if you used the GUI admin, and all that did was be a wrapper for the command line tools. I'd say Linux has more non-standard stuff the Irix does.
I've ran XFS since day one that it was introduced on Irix (still have the original media CD's) and to it's port Linux today, I can say most deffinetly XFS runs circles around other filesystems for what it's intended to do. It's not intended to be used for small files, it's sole purpose is to be able to move large chunks of data around faster than anyone else... and that it does. Couple that with GRIO and ACL's you have an awesome filesystem for doing large IO transactions that basically all the other Linux FS choke on.
To the "it looked blah" statement... I've nothing to say, but if you didn't like 4DWM (which personally I love, keep the fuck out of my way and don't eat up my resources), than use gnome, KDE or even CDE...
The attacks were based upon the fact that the US as a military base in the country that is considered most sacred. For a small number of radicals, a non-muslim nation (the US or any orther western country) having a military base there, is a problem to them (even though the reigning Saudia government has asked the US to be on their land). This was the reason why Sept 11 occured, the Palestine and Israeli conflict was never really even mentioned by AlQueda. When AlQueda realized that the US actually capable of taking out large chunks of their system, did they put support behind Palestine to bring in other Muslims that were not as offended by having a western military base in Saudi Arabia.
Are you being serious??? That article had hardly any talk of linux in it at all, mainly just a fluffy, candy, human interest story about how a techie likes to spend his time with his kids instead of with other programmers.
You could take the same article replace Microsoft with Charmin toiletpaper, linux with Cottonelle, and their respective creators and have the exact same article. There was absolutely no technical information about why linux is or is not good. Just an human-interest article that's ironically not good even good enough to use as toiletpaper.
*Presently* China is arresting Falun Gong members.
*Presently* China has killed more people in the past three MONTHS than the rest of the entire world in the past three YEARS. http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/07/06/c hina.executions/
*Presently* 15% of China's present mental asylum's population is being held not because of a mental defect but because they a "Dangerous Minds State" when they spoke out politically. http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/08/china081302.htm These are occuring *PRESENTLY*, you need to get your mind out of the clouds retard, and look at what is actually happening.
Lest we forget Tianamen Square it's something we call a MASSACRE with innocent students being killed, where I gues you use the word "propoganda"
Just search for China and "Human Rights" in any search engine and you'll find thousands of more examples of China's policies (hopefully you're not in China where those search engines are blocked). You sir are an idiot.
Get your house Lutron controlled, it uses rf instead of X-10 and is a lot more accurate. Heard a lot of people being woke up in the night due to a X10 light reading a power signal incorrectly. www.lutron.com
Off of the previous Slashdot link http://news.com.com/2100-1001-949241.html
Named the "Digital Software Security Act," the proposal essentially would make California the "Live Free or Die" state when it comes to software. If enacted as written, state agencies would be able to buy software only from companies that do not place restrictions on use or access to source code. The agencies would also be given the freedom to "make and distribute copies of the software."
That means no Oracle, no Veritas, no Quicken, etc. I don't see any place where it says you get a choice, I only see that the government can't make the best choice.
I'd then make the statment that the using Oracle to export the data is the same as taking a Word document, opening it ande then saving it as a text only document.
I think we are close to the same page in regards to what is reasonable with the law, but the way it currently is proposed paints with way too broad of a stroke, easily abused... just like a few other recent laws (DMCA, etc)
Oracle partitions are not readable by DB2, Postgress, etc products; it is proprietary to Oracle.
One part of Veritas is to do backups, and actually that uses Gnu Tar, was talking about the filesystem (my bad for not mentioning it). You can't get to the data on a veritas filesystem or volume without the proprietary veritas software. If this law passed I couldn't use Veritas for even for backups anymore, got a good solution to backup >100 terabytes of SAN/NAS/local storage that fits this law that will work half as good?
I also disagree with the Quake & VMWare (in a more light-hearted way). I can't use a Quake map file without Quake, can't import it into anything else and run a "quake like" game. I can't use a VMWare virtual disk without VMWare, I can't point Wine at it.
If you look at what they are wanting to pass (2nd paragraph):
If enacted as written, state agencies would be able to buy software only from companies that do not place restrictions on use or access to source code. The agencies would also be given the freedom to "make and distribute copies of the software."
Just about any third party software seems to fail the requirements. How often have you been able to legally redistribute copies of Oracle, HP Openview, Firewall 1, RSA SecureID ACE server, even Veritas Netbackup; let alone get the source along with it.
This law only stifles my choices and panders to a few idealists, who obviously don't have to make real, true, business decisions about what works best.
And what happens when the proprietary is X times better than any opensource product, because they had a dedicated team spend years developing it should we be *forced* not to use it, replacing it with a clearly inferior product?
The world does not revolve around MS & Linux maybe you should evolve your simplistic, child-like views
Oracle is proprietary Veritas is proprietary Maya is proprietary VMWare is proprietary Quake is proprietary
All proprietary, all used on unix (and there are hundreds more), and all their opensource counterparts tend to suck in comparison; when they don't suck anymore I'll be more than happy to have the *freedom* to choose that product.
Light's just getting a bit older and isn't as fast as it used to be. See how you feel after a 30 nano seconds of pick-up basketball, the parts just don't work the same when you get that old.
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I take it you haven't looked at the security patches for Linux lately. Remember the root compromises that were out just a couple of weeks ago, or did you not "evaluate, install, test and support" those root compromise patches.
Sorry but you are wrong.
The E10k was built by Cray, using Sun parts (kind of like how they used DEC parts previously). The internal group responsible was the "Cray Research Superservers" it was inside Cray not Sun. When SGI purchased Cray they (insanely) sold the CRS group to Sun which shortly thereafter Sun released the Cray created & developed E10k as a Sun product.
No you are incorrect. OSS does not mean it doesn't cost anything, it doesn't mean that you aren't putting out commercial software, it means you have additional rights.
Check out http://www.fsf.org/gnu/thegnuproject.html the granddady of the "movement" (hate the word movement but can't think of anything better) RMS even says it.
The term "free software" is sometimes misunderstood--it has nothing to do with price. It is about freedom.
Since "free" refers to freedom, not to price, there is no contradiction between selling copies and free software. In fact, the freedom to sell copies is crucial:...
There are lots of no-cost non-OSS software out there, goto your favorite utility website and download something. Winamp is a perfect example of this, it's free to download, install and use; doesn't cost a dime, is it OSS no, among other things against it where's the source?
Again no-cost != OSS, if it did the bill would say that they are foced to look at no-cost software instead of OSS.
No you are incorrect. OSS does not mean it doesn't cost anything, it doesn't mean that you aren't putting out commercial software, it means you have additional rights.
Check out http://www.fsf.org/gnu/thegnuproject.html the granddady of the "movement" (hate the word movement but can't think of anything better) RMS even says it.
The term "free software" is sometimes misunderstood--it has nothing to do with price. It is about freedom.
Since "free" refers to freedom, not to price, there is no contradiction between selling copies and free software. In fact, the freedom to sell copies is crucial...
There are lots of no-cost non-OSS software out there, goto your favorite utility website and download something. I can download winamp and use it at no-cost, is it OSS??? No. Again no-cost != OSS, if it did the bill would say that they are forced to look at no-cost software instead of OSS.
You've fallen into the old trap: OSS is not free as far as capital goes. There have never been any statements that OSS is free or that it *even* costs less to purchase. Remember free as in speach not as in beer.
Dude there are a standard ways to connect things today. If he had mentioned anything about a copyright flag, etc, then I'd believe what you are saying but re-read his post. He's talking about wanting to be able to take someones file decompress it and then send it directly to a device without having to re-encode it, DVI does that today.
If you want to get into what you think he's talking about, HDMI is the new standard that consumer electronics are going to be used. Devices are probably hiting shelves end of this year beginning of next, but it is backward compatible with DVI (basically just use the DVI interconnect and run HDCP over it). There is some debate as to whether or not you'll get full capabilities if you don't honor the flag. Well whatta you know it's that pesky standard interconnect I mentioned before DVI. Hmm sure looks like I KNOW WHAT THE FUCK I'M TALKING ABOUT, since DVI is a standard today HDMI is the encrypted standard which uses DVI. Now goto school junior.
Just because I don't put some Rah Rah PHD at the end of my posts doesn't mean you should make any assumptions as to my knowledge base. How do you know I do or don't work in the industry.
Glad to know composer777 is a plain dick, that when someone puts a PHD behind their name it's a sin to disagree with him; that he like to make assumptions as to you knowledgebase because you correct someone who has a PHD behind their name.
Firewire may top out at 3.2Gbs, but I'd like to see you get one, just because it's in the standard doesn't mean you have any access to one. As far as I know the furthest it's goteen is when Ti put out the first 800mb version in Jan.
On the codec side, well that's kind of a "well duh" statement, once it goes through a codec it is no longer "uncompressed video", am I missing some here? That device can capture raw uncompressed video and run it through a codec to compress it. There are *no* codecs for uncompressed video if you want it to stay uncompressed video; again once it goes through a codec it is no longer uncompressed.
Wow, everything you said is basically wrong. raw uncompressed video is a standard today. How did this get modded up to 5.
Uncompressed video is just that, it contains every pixel, it's location and the color for each one on the screen. No device has to have any intelligence, just turn on the pixel. That's how everything actually talks today after it get's uncompressed, so obviously everybody already knows how to talk uncompressed digital.
I'm guessing you didn't know that raw HDTV 1080i @60 runs at ~1.5gbs or around 187MB/sec or a TERABYTE for a 2 hour movie. Yup consumers are just ready to decompress from their *proprietary* codecs (interesting dig) and store uncompressed video. You're going to have an extremely difficult time just getting that performance off your PCI buss which normally maxes out at 166MB/sec, not even taking into consideration how many drives you'd need to write 187MB/sec.
Lastly you do realize that DVI is already in the consumer grade market, I've got one on my video card today. DVI dumps raw video out now, it's not doing any uncompression, etc just throws the bits around and very handily pass raw HDTV resolutions and greater (1600x1200, etc). Many people (enthusiasts) are using DVI inputs already (firewire tops out at 400MB) for digital through and through, all you need is a regular computer with DVI output and a display that has DVI inputs (DLP projector, plasma, LCD, etc). You might be complaining that DVI displays maybe more difficult to find, today they basically on displays that are digital through and through, most displays do analog output and don't have them (though they are out there).
Awww, can't take that your attempt failed miserably? You posted the controversy trying to be an ass it was way too obvious you were baiting; so I just fucked with you a bit. Talk about growing up, look at *your* original post in this thread.
Hehehe.... hook line and sinker, I got you sucka
Whatever junior, reply when you know how to make a website that doesn't look like absolute shit smeared on a screen.
Young pups thinking that a geek has time to worry about such things, maybe a suit... but not a geek.
According to the ftc's website http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcams/donotcall/ju mp.html
It'll be phased in over 8 weeks region by region starting in July. You can register either by a toll-free call, or online (Yea!).
You don't want Raid-5 with a video editing system, your write performance will kill you. Having to calculate parity is going to make it *noticeably* slower. Even having a dedicated hardware raid device with cache you will notice a write performance hit, but it's eased a bit. Raid 10 is what your custom shop should have properly suggested.
Too bad about the rest of the problem, a proper admin is worth their weight in gold.
Having used Irix since the early years of 5.3 and EFS, I can say it *is/was* great. I'm not sure what you mean about the the non-standard idioms, heck there have been quite a bit of Linux features taken from SGI directly. The only really non-standard stuff was if you used the GUI admin, and all that did was be a wrapper for the command line tools. I'd say Linux has more non-standard stuff the Irix does.
I've ran XFS since day one that it was introduced on Irix (still have the original media CD's) and to it's port Linux today, I can say most deffinetly XFS runs circles around other filesystems for what it's intended to do. It's not intended to be used for small files, it's sole purpose is to be able to move large chunks of data around faster than anyone else... and that it does. Couple that with GRIO and ACL's you have an awesome filesystem for doing large IO transactions that basically all the other Linux FS choke on.
To the "it looked blah" statement... I've nothing to say, but if you didn't like 4DWM (which personally I love, keep the fuck out of my way and don't eat up my resources), than use gnome, KDE or even CDE...
The attacks were based upon the fact that the US as a military base in the country that is considered most sacred. For a small number of radicals, a non-muslim nation (the US or any orther western country) having a military base there, is a problem to them (even though the reigning Saudia government has asked the US to be on their land). This was the reason why Sept 11 occured, the Palestine and Israeli conflict was never really even mentioned by AlQueda. When AlQueda realized that the US actually capable of taking out large chunks of their system, did they put support behind Palestine to bring in other Muslims that were not as offended by having a western military base in Saudi Arabia.
Are you being serious??? That article had hardly any talk of linux in it at all, mainly just a fluffy, candy, human interest story about how a techie likes to spend his time with his kids instead of with other programmers.
You could take the same article replace Microsoft with Charmin toiletpaper, linux with Cottonelle, and their respective creators and have the exact same article. There was absolutely no technical information about why linux is or is not good. Just an human-interest article that's ironically not good even good enough to use as toiletpaper.
*Presently* China has it's Great Firewall
c hina.executions/
*Presently* China is arresting Falun Gong members.
*Presently* China has killed more people in the past three MONTHS than the rest of the entire world in the past three YEARS. http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/07/06/
*Presently* 15% of China's present mental asylum's population is being held not because of a mental defect but because they a "Dangerous Minds State" when they spoke out politically. http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/08/china081302.htm
These are occuring *PRESENTLY*, you need to get your mind out of the clouds retard, and look at what is actually happening.
Here are some FACTS not propoganda but FACTS:
UN vs Chinga on human rights BBC Report
The often Slashdot discussed China's Great Firewall
Lest we forget Tianamen Square it's something we call a MASSACRE with innocent students being killed, where I gues you use the word "propoganda"
Just search for China and "Human Rights" in any search engine and you'll find thousands of more examples of China's policies (hopefully you're not in China where those search engines are blocked). You sir are an idiot.
Get your house Lutron controlled, it uses rf instead of X-10 and is a lot more accurate. Heard a lot of people being woke up in the night due to a X10 light reading a power signal incorrectly. www.lutron.com
Where does it say that, got any proof???
Off of the previous Slashdot link http://news.com.com/2100-1001-949241.html
Named the "Digital Software Security Act," the proposal essentially would make California the "Live Free or Die" state when it comes to software. If enacted as written, state agencies would be able to buy software only from companies that do not place restrictions on use or access to source code. The agencies would also be given the freedom to "make and distribute copies of the software."
That means no Oracle, no Veritas, no Quicken, etc. I don't see any place where it says you get a choice, I only see that the government can't make the best choice.
I'd then make the statment that the using Oracle to export the data is the same as taking a Word document, opening it ande then saving it as a text only document.
I think we are close to the same page in regards to what is reasonable with the law, but the way it currently is proposed paints with way too broad of a stroke, easily abused... just like a few other recent laws (DMCA, etc)
You are wrong.
Oracle partitions are not readable by DB2, Postgress, etc products; it is proprietary to Oracle.
One part of Veritas is to do backups, and actually that uses Gnu Tar, was talking about the filesystem (my bad for not mentioning it). You can't get to the data on a veritas filesystem or volume without the proprietary veritas software. If this law passed I couldn't use Veritas for even for backups anymore, got a good solution to backup >100 terabytes of SAN/NAS/local storage that fits this law that will work half as good?
I also disagree with the Quake & VMWare (in a more light-hearted way). I can't use a Quake map file without Quake, can't import it into anything else and run a "quake like" game. I can't use a VMWare virtual disk without VMWare, I can't point Wine at it.
If you look at what they are wanting to pass (2nd paragraph):
If enacted as written, state agencies would be able to buy software only from companies that do not place restrictions on use or access to source code. The agencies would also be given the freedom to "make and distribute copies of the software."
Just about any third party software seems to fail the requirements. How often have you been able to legally redistribute copies of Oracle, HP Openview, Firewall 1, RSA SecureID ACE server, even Veritas Netbackup; let alone get the source along with it.
This law only stifles my choices and panders to a few idealists, who obviously don't have to make real, true, business decisions about what works best.
And what happens when the proprietary is X times better than any opensource product, because they had a dedicated team spend years developing it should we be *forced* not to use it, replacing it with a clearly inferior product?
The world does not revolve around MS & Linux maybe you should evolve your simplistic, child-like views
Oracle is proprietary
Veritas is proprietary
Maya is proprietary
VMWare is proprietary
Quake is proprietary
All proprietary, all used on unix (and there are hundreds more), and all their opensource counterparts tend to suck in comparison; when they don't suck anymore I'll be more than happy to have the *freedom* to choose that product.
Light's just getting a bit older and isn't as fast as it used to be. See how you feel after a 30 nano seconds of pick-up basketball, the parts just don't work the same when you get that old.
Alright, put down the bong and come back to reality, instead of fairy land.