If anyone has anything new and interesting to do in the future, there's a good chance they'll start with Linux as a base -- they won't go off and write something new from scratch.
Unless the developers have an expectation of becoming the "Next Microsoft" and therefore charge for a closed OS. Could happen--after all, IBM didn't think that anyone would be willing to pay for an OS, and look where that got MSFT. Could be that someone cooks up a radical and useful enough of an OS that people would be willing to pay for it vs. get one without those features for free.
Hear hear. I'll even (have my employer) pay for online training--way better to have me train while I'm waiting for the phone to ring, than to have me turn off the phone (and my employer has to arrange for my replacement) for 4 days while I go to training. That's a lot easier of a sell, and you want me to sell this to my employer, right? You guys don't really expect that out-of-work Mac techs are going to spring for this on their own, do you? Or for consultants to stop taking calls?
The server classes, while beneficial, are more beneficial as a cert to hang on a wall than a real learning experience that's valued in it's own right. So sell to that market--make it easier for us to sell to our bosses. The best way to do that is to avoid having to pull us out of billable hours.
They have thought about using the wheels to "trench" into the soil; I believe that they expect to be able to reach a a depth of about two feet or so. There is some expectation that they will attempt this by the end of this month.
However, in terms of turning a rock over: it would be hard to predict the force required to turn a rock over, as they can't see how far below the surface a rock extends. The rock now in front of the rover might be the top of a mountain, for all they know; or, it could be lying flat on the surface with no subsurface component. And, supposing they could turn over the rock, how much surface disruption would that cause? Enough to unbalance and tip the rover?
I think that we'll ultimately learn a lot more from the use of the RAT tool, which will actually dig into the rock to expose a surface which hasn't yet been weathered. That will be an interesting day, and it may happen before the end of this week.
but it's almost never mentioned that the heat source inside the insulated electronics boxes is not merely waste resistive heating from the electronic components themselves, but from Plutonium Radioisotope Heater Units of a couple ounces each.
That's surprising to me, as they have stated that one of the limiting factors to the length of this mission is the power draw--as it gets cooler, and the days get shorter, it's going to get harder and harder to keep the components warm from the power generated by the solar arrays. But if what you say is true, is power actually required from the solar arrays for warming effect?
(A link to the internal components of the rover would be appreciated--I've found it hard to sift the geekier science stuff from the popular press regarding the rovers.)
Not to mention that this was submitted by an AC, which just screams "Astroturf". Although if MSFT has gotten desperate enough that they have started trying to astroturf/., it's probably time to sell their stock.:)
Heh. Kinda wonder how much is done, if they have no timeframe for getting the code out the door. I wonder if their coders get the same kind of leeway when they set their timeframes? "I was gonna do the AI this weekend, but then my girlfriend came to visit. Maybe I'll do it over spring break?"
And still requires a computer to hook the receiver too, IIRC. I don't think that you'll be able to plug it directly into the TiVo. Which is pretty gay. Unless you're really inclined to listen to your radio from the couch that you watch your TV (which you might if you have a good home entertainment system), but you'll still need to find your PC to change the channel.
I mean, why'd they bother? And then why do they have to wait until FA04 to release it? Couldn't such a thing be ready now?
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Just out of curiosity: has terrorist action ever been used as part of an effective military expedition?
Grant's March to the Sea during the American Civil War probably qualifies.
Of course, application of the epithet "terrorist" is flexible--if you're an oppressed population, what the State calls a "terrorist" you call a Freedom Fighter. It's just a matter of perspective.
If by terrorist you mean "target civilians with military force" then all participants in WWII did so, effectively. The only civilian population unscathed was the US, IIRC--but the Chinese, Germans, Russians, Japanese, Pacific Islanders, European civilians were all directly targeted by opponent military forces.
If by terrorist you mean "target civilians with 5th columnists" you would have a harder time coming up with a successful example--but when 5th-columnists become successful, they transform into an organized force, and outgrow their definition eg Vietnam, Chechnya.
I believe that another limiting factor is that Mars seasonal changes will increasingly decrease the amount of time the sun will be able to charge the solar panels. So, it will be getting colder, and draw more power to keep it's components heated, just as it begins to create less and less power.
Naturally, that's not as much of an issue with orbiters.
The video from the control room clearly shows a number of Sun Workstations (or at least Sun-branded monitors.) The personnel were also using quite a number of Titanium PowerBooks, incidentally. Gee, what's missing from this picture? Moral: when it really counts, use a Unix based OS.
that is a problem with people. don't blame nuclear power for your belonging to a race of goofball morons.
Ok, I'll concede that point. Find me a race that can reliably run a nuclear power reactor, and I'll consider it again. Until then, though, forget it.
If they hadn't been profit-driven whores, and sold their responsibility down the river, they would be able to undertake later, safer, even more profitable enterprises. But they made their bed, so fuck 'em.
The problem with nuclear power is that it is made by humans and they have a habit of fucking up on a grand scale.
That, and lying. If power generation utilities had been honest with consumers in the past, I would be much more inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt now. However, they have routinely gambled lives for the sake of profit, and lied about the risks then. Sometimes they lost that gamble. So now I'm supposed to extend them credibility? Sorry.
I don't know much about nuclear power generation, to be sure. But, unfortunately, I can't trust the folks that try to explain it to me, so I let what I do know--past experience--be my guide.
2) reverse-engineer the thing so that they could drive the Rover
That's funny, but do they actually bother with encryption/authorization stuff? I would think that the lander/rover already has such a limited bandwidth that they wouldn't want to waste any of it with hash or authorization codes--on the other hand, you don't want a 14 year old taking control of a $400M rover either. Do they just keep the frequency secret? Does the control apparatus require NSF type gear? Even at that, how do you keep the Russians from sabotaging a lunar landing to maintain nationalistic prestige?
And the best thing will be when it crushes our enemies, to see them fall at our feet -- to take their horses and goods and hear the lamentation of their women.
This could be NBC shooting themselves in the foot. For example, if I have a program on Fox that runs during a normal time frame with a higher priority than a later show on NBC--the whole hour of NBC gets bumped, as the Fox show will supercede the NBC show, even though the overlap is only a minute. So NBC loses my viewing hour--not that they care much anyways, maybe, since I skip through the ads. But if they want to discourage TiVo taping, then why are they the only ones offering a TivoMatic option?
George W. Bush could declare Linux the official OS of the government...and/. would still find a way to bag on him for it.
No, I would vote for him if he did that, actually. That's about what it would take to get my vote, though.
And he's not very likely to do this, natch, since he gave Microsoft a free pass for breaking the law. Remember--if you're planning on grand larceny, corruption, and vice, also contribute large to the GOP!
My grandfather drove off a bridge, and was able to escape because he wasn't belted.
However, I'm not a proponent of the "thrown free" method either. The fact remains that, although belts and airbags can cause a worse issue in some conditions, in many many more conditions they diminish your injury. Your wife should visit an ER sometime, or talk to an insurance adjuster.
I would be interested to read that article. Because, they way you described it, it doesn't describe why NeXT, Be, and even Apple have (relatively) failed in the marketplace, although they are all OS creators, too. The fact that you need Apple's OS to use Apple applications (such as Final Cut Pro) sure doesn't guarantee anything, if you prefer to use another application on another OS at the end of the da.
In fact, history proves this wrong: Apple had the OS, and MSFT had the Office suite for the Mac even before it was on Windows--so Apple should have been more successful, as they were "lower in the layer".
Essentially what I'm saying is many basic users here may be able to move to Linux, but Windows will remain the primary client for the forseeable future, simply for the applications, integration, and relative ease of working with partners who use Windows.
So exactly why should I be moving my own company to Linux? Really--this is all about dog food. Frankly, I'm a little surprised that IBM didn't do this already, when they started their Linux push. Now, it's getting to be a little ridiculous--or do you mean that Linux is good enough for other folks, but when you need to get real work done, you still use Win?
My guess is, that if this doesn't turn out be a hoax, lots of this kind of stuff will be ported or re-implemented on Linux--and the whole business world will benefit, because they will be have those tools available to them as well. In fact, no one is saying that IBM's version of Linux compatible Visio would be necessarily free for others...meaning a nice application revenue stream from all those folks that IBM switches. Wouldn't IBM rather be catching some of that revenue rather than sending it to MSFT?
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That's interesting. I treat AC posts the same way.
fwiw, I've submitted this article as a
If anyone has anything new and interesting to do in the future, there's a good chance they'll start with Linux as a base -- they won't go off and write something new from scratch.
Unless the developers have an expectation of becoming the "Next Microsoft" and therefore charge for a closed OS. Could happen--after all, IBM didn't think that anyone would be willing to pay for an OS, and look where that got MSFT. Could be that someone cooks up a radical and useful enough of an OS that people would be willing to pay for it vs. get one without those features for free.
Hear hear. I'll even (have my employer) pay for online training--way better to have me train while I'm waiting for the phone to ring, than to have me turn off the phone (and my employer has to arrange for my replacement) for 4 days while I go to training. That's a lot easier of a sell, and you want me to sell this to my employer, right? You guys don't really expect that out-of-work Mac techs are going to spring for this on their own, do you? Or for consultants to stop taking calls?
The server classes, while beneficial, are more beneficial as a cert to hang on a wall than a real learning experience that's valued in it's own right. So sell to that market--make it easier for us to sell to our bosses. The best way to do that is to avoid having to pull us out of billable hours.
They have thought about using the wheels to "trench" into the soil; I believe that they expect to be able to reach a a depth of about two feet or so. There is some expectation that they will attempt this by the end of this month.
However, in terms of turning a rock over: it would be hard to predict the force required to turn a rock over, as they can't see how far below the surface a rock extends. The rock now in front of the rover might be the top of a mountain, for all they know; or, it could be lying flat on the surface with no subsurface component. And, supposing they could turn over the rock, how much surface disruption would that cause? Enough to unbalance and tip the rover?
I think that we'll ultimately learn a lot more from the use of the RAT tool, which will actually dig into the rock to expose a surface which hasn't yet been weathered. That will be an interesting day, and it may happen before the end of this week.
but it's almost never mentioned that the heat source inside the insulated electronics boxes is not merely waste resistive heating from the electronic components themselves, but from Plutonium Radioisotope Heater Units of a couple ounces each.
That's surprising to me, as they have stated that one of the limiting factors to the length of this mission is the power draw--as it gets cooler, and the days get shorter, it's going to get harder and harder to keep the components warm from the power generated by the solar arrays. But if what you say is true, is power actually required from the solar arrays for warming effect?
(A link to the internal components of the rover would be appreciated--I've found it hard to sift the geekier science stuff from the popular press regarding the rovers.)
Not to mention that this was submitted by an AC, which just screams "Astroturf". Although if MSFT has gotten desperate enough that they have started trying to astroturf
I'll bet SCO has had some inquiries. But more along the lines of: "Where in the fsck do you get off?"
Heh. Kinda wonder how much is done, if they have no timeframe for getting the code out the door. I wonder if their coders get the same kind of leeway when they set their timeframes? "I was gonna do the AI this weekend, but then my girlfriend came to visit. Maybe I'll do it over spring break?"
And still requires a computer to hook the receiver too, IIRC. I don't think that you'll be able to plug it directly into the TiVo. Which is pretty gay. Unless you're really inclined to listen to your radio from the couch that you watch your TV (which you might if you have a good home entertainment system), but you'll still need to find your PC to change the channel.
I mean, why'd they bother? And then why do they have to wait until FA04 to release it? Couldn't such a thing be ready now?
Just out of curiosity: has terrorist action ever been used as part of an effective military expedition?
Grant's March to the Sea during the American Civil War probably qualifies.
Of course, application of the epithet "terrorist" is flexible--if you're an oppressed population, what the State calls a "terrorist" you call a Freedom Fighter. It's just a matter of perspective.
If by terrorist you mean "target civilians with military force" then all participants in WWII did so, effectively. The only civilian population unscathed was the US, IIRC--but the Chinese, Germans, Russians, Japanese, Pacific Islanders, European civilians were all directly targeted by opponent military forces.
If by terrorist you mean "target civilians with 5th columnists" you would have a harder time coming up with a successful example--but when 5th-columnists become successful, they transform into an organized force, and outgrow their definition eg Vietnam, Chechnya.
The funny part is, their demos are available exclusively in Apple's QuickTime, but their client isn't Mac compatible. Heh.
Now instead of working seamlessly, there will be a pop-up dialog to prompt the user to activate the desired control.
Or, stop using ActiveX. Use javascript instead; added benefit: Linux and Mac users can now use your site.
I believe that another limiting factor is that Mars seasonal changes will increasingly decrease the amount of time the sun will be able to charge the solar panels. So, it will be getting colder, and draw more power to keep it's components heated, just as it begins to create less and less power.
Naturally, that's not as much of an issue with orbiters.
The video from the control room clearly shows a number of Sun Workstations (or at least Sun-branded monitors.) The personnel were also using quite a number of Titanium PowerBooks, incidentally. Gee, what's missing from this picture? Moral: when it really counts, use a Unix based OS.
that is a problem with people. don't blame nuclear power for your belonging to a race of goofball morons.
Ok, I'll concede that point. Find me a race that can reliably run a nuclear power reactor, and I'll consider it again. Until then, though, forget it.
If they hadn't been profit-driven whores, and sold their responsibility down the river, they would be able to undertake later, safer, even more profitable enterprises. But they made their bed, so fuck 'em.
The problem with nuclear power is that it is made by humans and they have a habit of fucking up on a grand scale.
That, and lying. If power generation utilities had been honest with consumers in the past, I would be much more inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt now. However, they have routinely gambled lives for the sake of profit, and lied about the risks then. Sometimes they lost that gamble. So now I'm supposed to extend them credibility? Sorry.
I don't know much about nuclear power generation, to be sure. But, unfortunately, I can't trust the folks that try to explain it to me, so I let what I do know--past experience--be my guide.
2) reverse-engineer the thing so that they could drive the Rover
That's funny, but do they actually bother with encryption/authorization stuff? I would think that the lander/rover already has such a limited bandwidth that they wouldn't want to waste any of it with hash or authorization codes--on the other hand, you don't want a 14 year old taking control of a $400M rover either. Do they just keep the frequency secret? Does the control apparatus require NSF type gear? Even at that, how do you keep the Russians from sabotaging a lunar landing to maintain nationalistic prestige?
Also, here.
And the best thing will be when it crushes our enemies, to see them fall at our feet -- to take their horses and goods and hear the lamentation of their women.
This could be NBC shooting themselves in the foot. For example, if I have a program on Fox that runs during a normal time frame with a higher priority than a later show on NBC--the whole hour of NBC gets bumped, as the Fox show will supercede the NBC show, even though the overlap is only a minute. So NBC loses my viewing hour--not that they care much anyways, maybe, since I skip through the ads. But if they want to discourage TiVo taping, then why are they the only ones offering a TivoMatic option?
George W. Bush could declare Linux the official OS of the government...and
No, I would vote for him if he did that, actually. That's about what it would take to get my vote, though.
And he's not very likely to do this, natch, since he gave Microsoft a free pass for breaking the law. Remember--if you're planning on grand larceny, corruption, and vice, also contribute large to the GOP!
My grandfather drove off a bridge, and was able to escape because he wasn't belted.
However, I'm not a proponent of the "thrown free" method either. The fact remains that, although belts and airbags can cause a worse issue in some conditions, in many many more conditions they diminish your injury. Your wife should visit an ER sometime, or talk to an insurance adjuster.
I would be interested to read that article. Because, they way you described it, it doesn't describe why NeXT, Be, and even Apple have (relatively) failed in the marketplace, although they are all OS creators, too. The fact that you need Apple's OS to use Apple applications (such as Final Cut Pro) sure doesn't guarantee anything, if you prefer to use another application on another OS at the end of the da.
In fact, history proves this wrong: Apple had the OS, and MSFT had the Office suite for the Mac even before it was on Windows--so Apple should have been more successful, as they were "lower in the layer".
Essentially what I'm saying is many basic users here may be able to move to Linux, but Windows will remain the primary client for the forseeable future, simply for the applications, integration, and relative ease of working with partners who use Windows.
So exactly why should I be moving my own company to Linux? Really--this is all about dog food. Frankly, I'm a little surprised that IBM didn't do this already, when they started their Linux push. Now, it's getting to be a little ridiculous--or do you mean that Linux is good enough for other folks, but when you need to get real work done, you still use Win?
My guess is, that if this doesn't turn out be a hoax, lots of this kind of stuff will be ported or re-implemented on Linux--and the whole business world will benefit, because they will be have those tools available to them as well. In fact, no one is saying that IBM's version of Linux compatible Visio would be necessarily free for others...meaning a nice application revenue stream from all those folks that IBM switches. Wouldn't IBM rather be catching some of that revenue rather than sending it to MSFT?