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Linux for Asia: Asianux
kiwimate writes "Two Linux distributors (one each from China and Japan) are building a common Linux platform for Asian companies. Using Oracle software to create the product, which is dubbed "Asianux", they have declared they'll create a common kernel so that the two companies' offerings can interoperate with ease."
I guess that's better than Lasia. Not much better though.
Asianux... reminds me of Jesux. Are you sure this isn't a spoof?
...can be found on AsiaOSC.
There's a note on the front page there about a recent Mongolian Linux release, too.
The Army reading list
Or is that just my wacky English speaking mind?
And there was us thinking Asia couldn't teach us anything about how to do IT, but then they turn out to have companies that actually agree on common standards at the outset!
was just too politically incorrect.
I wonder if they have forgotten that Asia is more than just the area of China and Japan. Turkey, Syria, Indian...and even Iraq are all Asian countries as well.
keystroke-logging lib_bigbrother.so.0 no doubt
Is this just a national pride thing designed as a big middle finger towards western development? Wouldn't they be better served if they helped make current distros better?
Aren't you tired of stupid questions?
Don't you mean GNU-ASIANUX? *Hrmmmph*
Sehr geehrter Toilettenbenutzer!
All linux distros have the same kernel: linux. You need more than a common kernel to get a high degree of interoperability.
"a quote" -me
remember, it's not just Japanand China. It's also (Soviet) Russia, India and its area, and the middle east. That's a pretty large area that doesn't seem covered by Asianux. Maybe they should have called it Orientux. That's got a nice ring to it, though it does kind of sound like an old Greek philosopher.
Hmmm, if HP wanted their own version, would they call it HP-UX? Then the Linux distro that promotes horses called -- EquinUX!
What about calling it Linux Asia or something like that instead of making a contraction of it? After all, we don't call it SuSenux and RedHatnux. Besides, it should've been GNU/Asianux, eh?
In the end, it's yet another distro. Hopefully it gets popular and widely used for its purpose. Think of the alternative -- pirating MS products!
This is a great idea, but the name sucks. They should have consulted http://www.engrish.com
Personally, I now use Mac OS X (after about 10 years of enthusiastic Linux use :-) but there are several reasons for non-U.S. companies to standardize on Linux and cooperate on region specific versions:
-Mark
And expecially for France, we will have Asterux.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
As infamous as China is when it comes to the control of information, how Open will this particular Linux distribution be?
Socialism: A feeling of discontent and resentment caused by a desire for the possessions or qualities of another.
Using Oracle software to create the product
More like "making use of Oracle's software development centre in Beijing"--its a kind of important distinction, otherwise I was wondering what Oracle IDE they were going to use, or database they were planning to build into the distro...
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It's GNU/Asianux..not Asianux.
... out of Linux.
thus the RMS "they're taking all the credit away from GNU" argument for GNU/Linux as a naming scheme is somehow avoided
SIGERR: laziness exceeds quota
I don't associate China and Japan with successful collaboration.
Why waste your time on other projects when you could do all the work on debian, I'd love to have full multy-language UTF-8 virtual consoles :)
Why Axianus?
The in-door at the Chinese slave labor factory is always open.
I guess this beats a Japanese version called Niplix.
Next, from Warsaw, we will have Pollax.
I bet they'll have new commands to use: keke, kekeke, kekekeke, kekekekekekekekekekeke^_^
Increased adoption of Asianux in Asia-Pacific may give software and hardware companies a good reason to certify their wares on Linux, as they will not need to support multiple versions of the open-source operating system (OS).
/me uncorks champagne
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After this is successful, this Oriental version of Linux will be combined with the one being developed for the Czech Republic.
We wish the new "Rice-Chex" project much success.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Hey, before you get all crazy, I learned it from South Park...
Let's just see how well the GPL does in these countries, especially in China where piracy is rampant, and there is no such thing as private property (it's the definition of Communism, get over it flamers). Human (property) rights have never been terribly important in Asia, maybe we'll have to send in Stallman and Theo to get pissy at them when they uber-up the Linux kernel and don't publish their changes.
-1 Flamebat, +1 Cynical, or +1 Prophetic? You decide.
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
You don't like my OS? Oh nos... T_T
Umm.. yeah.
Private property exists under communism. However, it is a right reserved by the dictator and a few around him. They are the ones with the property.
every country has a right to do what ever they want. if they choose to use microsoft or what ever, it is their decision. that means every country.
I can't even imagine what a nightmare the command line would look like. I'm still figuring out the switches for fsck. Hard enough to do without contructing commands out of little pictures of houses, dancing guys and trees with lines through them.
will sweeping through the rest of Asia's IT, crushing foes in it's wake. Hordes of people are using it, you know. (Sorry).
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Asian Russia (Siberia) is European not Asian.
The majority of Asian Russia is called "Siberia". Siberia is entirely within Asia. Asian Russia is indeed all Asian (that is almost a tautology). In fact, a significant percentage of Asian land is part of Russia.
You are correct about the Soviet Union, however.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Amnesiux?
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
I, for one, thinks it's a great idead... I only wish Scandinavia would follow this example.
If I were a programmer I'd volunteer for such a project, no doubt.
Maybe the universitys should get together and get their students to build such a dist. Just like Berkeley once did.
Cheers!
Canux?
"He who throws mud, loses ground." - proverb
This article was pretty light on details.
How do they program on it? In English?
Seen this many times. Wasn't funny then, isn't funny now. Prediction: won't be funny next time, either.
I, for one, am glad that I possess the wit and intelligence to find something more useful and enjoyable for my time. In fact, I've just discovered a real use for this post! You show me how stupid I could have been! Now I appreciate my own intellectual achievements just that little bit more. Thanks!
After 10 years of using linux (and I assume enjoying it), I'm curious why you decided to switch to OS X? You don't see too many stories out there of people going back to a proprietary system after having used linux for so long....
The sending of this message pretty much inconveniences everyone involved.
Oh well. That's what free gets you.
"No, private property does not exist under communism, the parent was right. What you describe is a hypocracy or the rule of hypocrites"
And that is how communism works when it is applied to the real world. Private property always exists: it is only a matter of who owns it. Under communism, all private property becomes the personal treasure of the dictator, who says that "the people own it now".
"-1 Flamebat"
and you wonder what kind of damage that weapon does...
Half an hour after you compile the kernel, your ready to compile again.
*rimshot*
Run with Scissors!
Where's the logo of tux with slanty eyes? Oh, maybe he should be called "Tocks". Hahahah.
We have always been at war with Asianux...
Sounds a lot like UnitedLinux minus SCO to me.
"Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will have to ram it down their throats." --Howard Aike
...hidden underneath the ignorant ranting, which is that the GPL requires strong enforcement of licenses to function. It has nothing to do with Communism, piracy, or human rights. Countries like China simply don't have the legal infrastructure to deal with license violations. There are some indications that companies are getting away with GPL violations in the U.S.; how much easier will it be for them to do so in China, where the FSF has no legal representation?
Asterix is a popular French cartoon character. They love him in France the way they don't love Mickey Mouse. Unlike Jerry Lewis (also beloved of the French), Asterix is actually cool.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
This has got to be the gayest thing I ever heard...
...they eat their own dogs.
And the best thing will be when it crushes our enemies, to see them fall at our feet -- to take their horses and goods and hear the lamentation of their women.
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$tar -xvf
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Asianux
no i'm not trolling, that was my dry attempt at humor.
Actually, somebody did say it.
I remember when legal used to mean lawful, now it means some kind of loophole. - Leo Kessler
Nobody really thinks of India or Middle-east as a part of Asia. Asia is a term imposed on people of a very large part of the world by European colonisers. If you are calling an entire landmass as a continent, Well then Europe is a part of Asia (or Eurasia).
..get it hehe.
I'm still holding my breath for the ultimate linux distribution: auto-configuring, self-reparing, using state-of-the-art package management, with a killer GUI, full desktop integration, stability up the wazoo, that can take all preferences and settings from an existing windows or mac installation and import them into the new environment.
It should be called Sexus Linux.
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if the joke had something to do with punning a word on "nigger" or some such, people wouldn't find that so funny. so why is "chinx" a joke?
this may be a flame, but if so i think it's justified: dude, stfu. "chinx" isn't funny. even if you're chinese yourself, other readers don't know that. you're being racist, and you're encouraging racism. mod me down as much as you want.
how about stfu?
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A huge bolt-on wing for the back of the case
A 5" diameter chrome outlet for the exhaust fan
A "ground effects" kit for the bottom of the case
A small fire extinguisher and bracket
Asianux is a lifestyle, man, not just a distro!
"oriental" has negative connotations, bringing as it does to mind the stereotype of "the quaint exotic orient" (i.e. only Europeans are rational normal folks). the term was created by the English to refer to asian countries. "Asian" is a little more neutral, since the name is a more geographic, although even the term "asia" is eurocentric, since "asia" is generally anywhere east of... you guessed it: Europe.
The memories of our language... just can't escape it. In Chinese, I'm just a regular dude; in English, you should no longer say I'm a "chink" or "yellow", but "I" remain an "Asian" and an "Oriental"...
Sure beats the first name: Oriantalnix.
Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.
Which do you prefer?
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Multics:
http://www.multicians.org/mulimg/cuti
Asianux:
http://www.bakla.net/
Oopsie, I forgot the html tags. Don't worry, no tubgirl here!!
Multics
Asianux
about literally seeing the roots of a language in the language? as opposed to arbitrary squiggles, lines and curves? at least it makes it more interesting and meaningful. For example, the character for visual brightness and/or understanding (coincidentally just like in english how "bright" means smart and visually bright) is made up of the picture of the moon and the sun side by side. how cool is that? 1000's of years ago, of course the sun and moon were the brightest objects in the human knowledge. put them together, and you get the word for brightness!
There.
linux is for bitches
my other sig is written in brainfuck
Sorry, just had to get the RMS joke in. Although I am beginning to understand him more and more.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Nobody really thinks of India or Middle-east as a part of Asia
All they have to do is look at a map!
If you are calling an entire landmass as a continent, Well then Europe is a part of Asia (or Eurasia).
No, it is not. Europe is west of the boundary line.
How china will deal with the GPL and opensource in general remains to be seen. However I think the chinese ain't completly stupid. Making a fork (wich is what happens when you make changes to the kernel and do not submit them back in to the official kernel) means you loose all the advantages off the worldwide development taking place on linux. Each time the official kernel is upgraded you got to update your fork without outside help. This would become very costly to do.
So the question is has China understood what has made linux what it is? So far most of the really really big players have understood it. The US goverment through the SELinux project, IBM, Israel (changes to Open Office are publicly available) and others.
Don't forget that Japan at least has had a long history of opensource with Tron. Granted here the design was opensource not always the code but the idea is the same.
We will have to see. But if you are really really curious. Examine red flag. Its been around long enough. I haven't heard anyone claiming that it is breaking the rules so far.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
"....but there is a fundemental difference between something desireable like property rights and something absolutely necessary like human rights....
Without property rights, you can't have human rights. You end up with something like a prison. If someone owns all your property, they own you. Human rights are absolutely necessary, and this includes property rights.
Yeah right. China shoots corrupt officials. America puts them in office.
China leaves them in office, too. In fact, the country is run by extremely corrupt, greedy, and imperialist (i.e. they covet foreign lands like Taiwan and Tibet) officials.
Stop think china is some 3rd world nation
It's not. It's a 3rd world country ruled by a savage genocidal regime. Just a few years ago, they celebrated the 60th anniversary of Mao's disaster (which is akin to modern Germany celebrating decades of Nazi rule). They still hold Tibet as a colonial territory
Was the west any better a few decades ago? Ask a black american if you don't know the answer.
Yes, it certainly was much better a few decades ago. The 2nd class citizenship that Blacks were begrudged is many levels above the situation where Mao executed 30 million Chinese.
Asia is a term imposed on people of a very large part of the world by European colonisers. ...and it means places as diverse as Kazakhstan, Iraq, Israel, most of Turkey, much of Russia.... along with China and Japan. That is what Asia means. If you don't like the term "Asia", don't use it. Use something else. Just don't use a false definition of "Asia" that excludes most Asian nations.
Here is Asia: click here for map
Here is Europe: click here for map"
While there is some disagreement about the exact boundary line, everyone knows where it is (along the Urals). To claim that one continent is part of another is nothing but ignorance.
Go to Dictionary.com:
"The world's largest continent. It occupies the eastern part of the Eurasian landmass and its adjacent islands and is separated from Europe by the Ural Mountains."
Europe and Asia together are sometimes called "Eurasia". It is a union of two continents.
This type of racism shouldn't be tolerated
No, it is free speech. As such, it should be tolerated, just like all speech. If you don't like it, speak up. Or ignore it.
http://tinyurl.com/yw5w2
To save you the bother of clicking on it, it's Amazon's page for "Free Software, Free Society" by RMS.
but I don't think asian-North Americans are fully at that phase yet to be comfortable with it.
The slur is aimed at Chinese. It is not applicable to people from the numerous other Asian countries, including Japanese, eastern Russians, Turks, Israelis, Pakistanis, etc etc.
If you call someone from Asia a "Chink", there is a good chance they will be mystified, like if you called a Black a "wop". China is just one of many Asian nations.
the characters of the alphabet were originally inherently meaningful as well. I thought english letters were originally created for phonetic distinctions, and that the visual aspect of letters were now largely arbitrary or meaningless in themselves.
What I meant by seeing the roots of the language in the language was seeing how ideas and abstractions in the language are understood by the language itself (and hence the human mind). For example, by looking at the character for the mysterious character "Tao", we see the simple but profound picture of a person walking along a path. Seeing how the character was conceived (both in the sense of brought into the world and thought of) is tremendously interesting when you know how to look. I was trying to get the parent poster to see this beauty of characters, not trying to make other languages look bad. Apologies if I did come off too one sided; I guess I felt I had to balance his "against" with my "for". : )
I've always wondered. Why is the word Tao begin spelled begining with a T, and not with a D for the D-sound it begins wiht? I would have figured that the translaters would have tried to come with an accurate English/Western spelling, and there would be no reason to get this wrong.
Yet again, there is some other inexactness in translation, where "Huang" is pronounced "Huong" as another example.
Woohoo! Now my computer will COSPLAY when I do!
(because nothing is sexier than a 25 yr old man with hairy legs wearing a sailor moon outfit)
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Comparable in their complexity, yes. But, it is an imperical fact that people whose native written language is phonetic, find it much harder to learn an ideographic language then those who have learned an ideographic language do a phonetic one.
For example, it is very common to find an English speaker of Chinese or Japanese who is incapable of reading even the simplest text yet able to speak the language very fluently. It is quite rare to find the same situation in a Chinese speaker of English. Unless your claim is that Westerners are just very stupid or lazy, the conclusion is that ideographic written languages are very hard for non-natives to learn.
I think the asian market is a lot more varied than lets say the European market. Over here we have not just CJK, but also Thai, Cambodian, Vietnamese, Burmese, 2 flavours of Malay... yes, right now I'm just eating hamburgers when it comes to OS', but I think the asians know better what the asians need out of their boxes... or rather, what they would like linux to look like right out of the box, perhaps.
Maybe this is taking it a bit far, but apart from Chinese (Mandarin) and Japanese (Hyojungo aka Tokyo Japanese), there's a whole host of dialects which would need to be localised differently - word-groups (Ci2 Hui4 in Chinese) are dramatically different in these dialects and if you tried typing in these you should find it to be as painful as trying to type Chinese via a Japanese input-method.
AFAIK, people in Windows use special programs to aid Kansai-ben input. it'd be cool if even dialects can be built in.
And yes, let the asians decide for themselves how they would have solved their kanji problem.
That is the funniest post of the France Asterux sub-thread. I'd glady turn over my +5 mod points to this comic genius.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Steve
I'd always heard that "kangaroo" meant "there he goes". Check out this page: Kangaroo. Both versions are there.
What is the point of this particular fork? Linux machines already interoperate beautifully, and are quite friendly to any language character set. It seems more likely that this could merely be an effort to freeze out all competition, in the tradition of Microsoft. Otherwise, the whole exercise seems redundant and pointless.
Iraq is not an Asian nation. It is in the middle east
Wrong. Look at any map of Asia. From dictionary.com: "A country of southwest Asia". The middle east is a region, not a continent. The middle east includes part of Asia and part of Africa. Many middle eastern nations (Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and others) are Asian.
What kind of a crazy map are you looking at??
National Geographic Map of Asia. If they don't know where Asia is...who does?
(As an english speaker of Japanese) I would say that the problem is not so much that it's hard to read Japanese characters (I have no problems with the ones I know already), it's the fact that there are so many of them compared to 26+punctuation for western languages (even accounting for the fact that many characters can be considered words by themselves),
Secondly that as an adult you are way out of practise at learning to recognise new "letter" shapes, and have long passed the point where your brain readily adapts to it.
That said I found Hesig's approach to be much easier than any other's I've tried, especially for Kana. It doesn't scale as well to Kanji, but still helps a great deal.
Essentially I suppose that learning 1 Japanese character is no more difficult than learnign 1 western letter. The problem is the quantity.
Yeah. But you can't take it all so seriously. I used to be all scared about "saying the wrong thing" as a white kid in suburbia, but once I actually started becoming close friends with people on varied & mixed races, (some of who I just finished drinking with) I began to realize context & comfort level matter a lot. So relax and roll with it, as long as everyone's comfortable, and get's their fair share. Almost every racist joke I've heard as been from someone of that race, and then they usually have to explain to me why it's funny. *sigh*. I do applaud you standing up though. It's very different in a public forum, but I'm not sure if the fact it's different is really a good thing or not.
How about Turbolinux?
It supports CJK pretty well, and I think Thai is supported as well.
Asians? You mean Moscovites and residents of New Delhi?
Get a map! Moscow is a European city. New Delhi is an Asian city.
French love Mickey Mouse more than Asterix from what I can see too
Living at the bottom of a troll-cave as you do, you can't see much:
"France has a park dedicated to Asterix The Gaul, which gets 3 times as many visitors as EuroDisney, and it makes lots of money." [blogspot]
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Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
If there's any really democratic economic philosophy in the world, it's communism
Nothing is democratic under communism. Under communism, everything is controlled by dictators which are not democratically accountable.
Also, it should be argued that economic affairs should be left to the people, and not to a democratically-controlled government. The latter is totalitarian, even if the government has some democratic accountability.
I am not from the US. I'm from Canada. But that's almost all I agree with you on. I think you are speaking from ignorance, because virtually everyone I know of on the topic has mentioned the following points ad nauseum:
...racism is actually a rather small issue these days...
racism is alive and well, thanks to people who downplay it like you. Racial minorities, and especially blacks, on average get paid a significant amount less than white people, and fill the lower-end jobs. They're still being oppressed. If you want to deny this fact, look at the government: how many black senators do you see? Any black presidents, or even presidential candidates? And Americans are constantly blaming high unemployment on "those damn Mexicans and illegal immigrants, who come to steal our holy-god-almighty AMERICAN jobs", as if high unemployment wouldn't be more affected by government regulation of the economy. And take a look at the media: how many movies have white guys with a black/asian girl? Lots. How many with a black/asian guy with a white girl. In comparison, very little. Shouldn't it be equal? Finally, if you think racism is non-existent, try reading up on the LAPD, the Detroit slum areas, or actually, how about open your eyes and look around?
African-american I believe is the current politically correct term. Damn make up your mind, are you African or american?
Obviouly they're not quite African, because they haven't been there in so long they've lost touch. But they don't have a high standing in American society, so they feel they only half belong to American society (see the above note on how racism still exists). Therefore, they are in the "in-between", neither here nor there. This is why African-American studies is a field in the humanities: it's an interesting social topic (you should take a course and learn more about this).
The problem isn't with someone calling another person a cracker, nigger, or chink(sp). The problem is with people thinking this is an insult. If you call me a cracker, should I be insulted? Why, all you did was refer to my race, I'm rather proud of my race.
Are you fucking stupid? The term is "Chinese", not "chink". The term is "African", or "African-American", not "nigger". You actually think "chink" or "nigger" makes me proud of my culture? Ok, maybe you were just flamebaiting here, because I can't believe anyone would actually be that ignorant as to believe what you just said.
Maybe you've experienced a lot of counter-racism and you experience is skewed, but I think you should take a look at the larger picture around you. Racism is still alive. Most white people just wish it would go away. And I understand why: who likes to feel accused and guilty? Then again, we have to look at the larger picture: if racism ended, there wouldn't even be an issue.
Finally, there is one thing I agree with you on: political correctness has gone too far: people aren't "vertically challenged", they are short. Those kinds of examples are when it goes too far, but pc still has it's place: call me Chinese, not "chink". This kind of example keeps it relevent.
Someone who thinks that not wanting to be called a "chink" is only a matter of political correctness and not the larger issue of racism at large. How ignorant. Just what racism needs to survive.
The ultimate goal of communism is "From everybody according to their abilities, to everybody according to their needs."
In real world application, communism turns out to be "From each, to the dictator, according to their abilities. To each, from the dictator, the minimum necessary so that they can still perform slave labor effectively"
This calls for a revamp of the tux image for this specific type of linux
Sig: I stole this sig.
The term is "African", or "African-American", not "nigger".
The term "African" does not work. For one, it is regionally inaccurate. An Egyptian immigrant is 100% African. A black person such as Janet Jackson is 0% African: she never lived in Africa at all.
If you call Lee Iacocca an "Italian-American", then you can't call Colin Powell an "Africa-American". Colin's ancestors were voluntary immigrants from Jamaica.
Nice try. Take it somewhere else. Online race re-baiting is so 1998.
"What I disputed is whether or not they are anymore derogatory than calling someone a son of a bitch."
Sigh... this is gone on long enough, so why don't we continue this conversation after you've taken some introductory courses on colonialism? Or maybe I'll give it one last shot:
1)"Stupid" is an insult to intelligence.
2)"Chink" is an insult based on the premise of a supposedly-inferior Chinese race, because if it didn't assume that Chinese people are inferior, it wouldn't be an insult in the first place.
3)Therefore, "chink" is an insult of an entirely different order than "stupid" and is inherently racist. Since most people agree that racism is bad, and the word "chink" is racist, then the word "chink" is bad. Therefore, "chink" should not be used, because *when you say it as an insult* you are implicitly and explicitly stating that Chinese people are inferior (otherwise it wouldn't be an insult).
If you still can't understand how "chink" and "son of a bitch" are fundamentally different insults, I give up...
Oh yeah, and wrt your statement: