There is a GIANT difference between "whoops, I did something in the core OS of the phone and it died" and "I installed a harmless 3rd party application, and Apple got the signal and sent a kill code that broke my phone". The first is a stupid mistake, the second is a disgusting abuse of anything and everything. Bastards.
So does that essentially mean that no more daycare centers will be sued for having disney characters painted on their walls? Now more totally absurb strain on progress created by the inability to reference other works due to overbearing copyright law? Or not?
Yea, easy to read while sitting in a dark room underground. My ex had a laptop with a high gloss screen, and had to close all the blinds and turn off all the lights and sit at a special angle to avoid glare. It was so pathetic. You can't read from a screen if all you can see is the ceiling, your reflection, or something else besides what you should be seeing.
Although oftentimes the ceiling may appear very vibrant due to the high level of gloss.
You posted a comment that was clearly meant to cause flaming. Clearly misinterpreting an obvious statement is not amusing or interesting or insightful, it is trolling. You replied with a clear trollful statement intended to create flame, and I called it. Grow up.
Sure, that would make sense if people hadn't paid for warranties, or for support. And if it is such a terrible problem, perhaps they should work on increasing adaptability and security of the product they sell, instead of making in self-destruct for any variety of reasons. Also, if a person is paying a monthly bill to the company, they are paying more than enough for support, considering mobile plans cost more in the US than many other countries.
There is a very big difference between laws for general public safety, such as "don't go out and shoot a ton of people" and organization of public resources (rf bandwidth management, it would certainly suck if noone on your block could hear their favorite radio station because you had to make a phone call). Those are very different than a company deciding that they are going to have full control over your device and prevent you from using it at your leisure harmlessly. That would be like an anti-gay dildo company that made dildos, which upon vaginal use were fine, but if used in a but immediately exploded and killed the individual. You buy something, it should be all means be yours to use for anything you want within the law.
Also, I might note you are kinda like this moron from xkcd: http://xkcd.com/169/ My point was very clear, but you distract from it with criticisms which have no practical point and show a purposed misunderstanding of my post. And then trying to couple it with an insult? If you are going to act like a retarded 5 year old on crack, don't do it on slashdot.
If the phone is sitting on your kitchen table, and they disable it, they are practically in your home. And its not like if you messed with the firmware in your car and it stopped working. It's more like if you did some custom mods to your car, which then detected them, and with manufacturer programming waited until the car is going 60 mph and shuts down the brakes, power steering, on-star if you have it, and forces you to crash and die for messing with their products.
There is a big difference between "whoops I broke it" and a self disabling device that prohibits certain behaviors with the device, and destroys the device if you do anything outside a set range of preset behaviors, on purpose.
As long as a device or any part of a device is sold with a feature that says "you are prohibited from doing what you want with something you paid disgusting amounts of money for" Then something is wrong.
When you buy something, it should be yours to do whatever the fuck you want with it. There is no reason that someone else has any right to tell you what you are allowed to do with your possessions. Hell, if someone came into my house and forced me to stop using super glue to attach everything to everything else, I would have him fucking arrested for trespassing. If they are going to tell you what to do with your devices, then they should replace the word 'buy' with the word 'use until we decide otherwise, within the bounds of what we think is ok' I bet people wouldn't pay such shit-tons of money for every little gizmo if it said that instead.
Totally agreed, and in response to the responses to this, removing posts that state your product is inadequate purely to boost revenue, that is not the "removing mother-fucker from the side of your car" cencorship, it is the "lets hide the truth to boost profits, regardless of the damage it does to society" censorship. Bastards.
Apple had a commercial in 1984 superbowl, I am sure everyone remembers it. I bet they didn't predict that they where the big screen controlling minds by controlling allowed content. Think different, think open source, think freedom, not groupthinkapplecontrolledapprovedcontentbullshitfuckers.
Exactly, there are also direct educational resources online that can aid in learning, like http://www.khanacademy.org/http://www.wikipedia.org/ not to mention the ability to actually work on homework at home, type up essays and do research and so on. Plus, it did say computer skills were enormously boosted, and last time I checked you need computer skills for just about any job that doesn't involve picking berries off a vine or being a low level construction worker.
Put a baseball bat in your car. Contact the ISP that owns the IP address to find out where it was broadcasted from. Go to the place, and wait. Then, take out the baseball bat and, well, you get the idea.
I did attack your position, I just also attacked you.
In general, there are very few, if not no jobs at all, that make decent money and are not mentally engaging. Any real job, that actually helps society move forward in culture, forward in technology, science and medicine, or any other field, will likely fall under work for hire. Unless you managed to get funding to start your own business, if you are creating things, it falls under work for hire. You either work at a job that cheats and screws those who produce new things and make good money, work in a shit job for an evil company, or work at a job that doesn't pay the bills.
My point is, there is no different field for equal or better pay. Only manager/senior positions, financial industry, or process managers actually make good money and don't produce ideas.
Also, you still didn't get the analogy, I said that most food is poisoned, but only a very select lucky few get to eat the unpoisoned beef. Unless you are lucky and rich, there isn't a choice.
Because it is either train for a job that is mentally engaging, although evil, and maybe someday do something with my life, or live in poverty, possibly unable to find a job.
In that example, beef was the only food source. You have to eat the poisoned food, starve, or be rich enough to eat the super expensive food. There is only one alternative to the terrible, poisoned food, and that is the food that only a small percentage of people get to eat, by luck.
So 95% of people should just stop working until companies bow to their demands? Where are they going to get the money to do that, who is going to support such a revolt? It is simply not in the cards. Or they could all live off welfare, right, that must be a good alternative. I fail to see where all these millions of people are going to magically find alternate jobs in a 10% unemployment economy. My point is, there aren't other options, you can either be more poor, or take a shit job, or work in another field for less pay. You really haven't been in the job market before, have you? Lemme guess, 13 years old, and think you are so cool, right? You can't even follow simple analogies.
They are the vast majority of the jobs people can get, especially with a nearly 10% and rising unemployment rate. People need work to pay the bills, even if it is soul crushing, dream stealing, sharecropping bullshit. When I am done with college, I will need to get one of these bullshit jobs to pay my monthly loan debt payments and bills.
They are enough of the jobs that the existance of alternatives is irrelevant for 99% of people. That 1%? They enjoy the luxury. But nobody else.
Your argument is like saying that if all beef products had poison in them, except for one that cost $100 per pound, that the people that slowly poison themselves to eat beef are stupid for not just buying the stuff without it. For most people, that option simply doesn't exist.
you mean during the original industrial revolution, when pollution was totally unregulated and factories put out so much crap that nearby areas would get a black coating? if you could note a time before human impact was a factor when something like that happened, go right ahead. Otherwise stfu. and glaciers don't move 'fast', if they did it would need to snow at least 1000 ft of snow every year, at the very least, otherwise the glaciers would spread too thin and nothing would happen. You're so full of shit your eyes are turning brown.
... right, because it is common that ice ages end and reverse themselves in 50-100 years. Regullarly, it would take 5000-20,000 years for this change in temp. Instead it has happened in just a few decades.
Also, just because it doesn't mention one non-existent factor doesn't mean that it doesn't mention about 6 dozen others between that article and the several linked to it. What you did in that post was pretty much like this: "Who said I was the only one to ever drive a car?, I have never heard anyone say that, except for you saying it!" and then you say "Bullshit, see this link? IT SAYS PEOPLE RIDE BICYCLES"
There is no excuse for being so incredibly off. When you drive, are you always keeping the lines between your tires? Do you routinely try to take a crap on the toilet and end up in the sink? When you go to bed do you always have trouble figuring out how other people handle such a heavy mattress on top of them? Cause that is how you are acting. Ice ages are not a factor, they are a consequence. What you failed to do, was to relate it to an actual reason. I really wish everyone who failed, failed as epically as you. Life would be so much more interesting.
Yea, but at least the scientific evidence is on their side. I mean, with the heat capacity and warming of oceans, the fact that the earth is heating insanely fast is not even a question, its a blatantly obvious fact. The earth has never heated by this much, this fast, in any history we can read. It typically takes thousands or tens of thousands of years, and happening within the past 100 years, more than half of the increase in the past 50? That is not natural.
We put out a lot more CO2 than the earth itself does, and our cow farms (don't get me wrong, I love eating meat) produce a shit-ton of methane, but you are right. The earth produces a ton of greenhouse gas, water vapor. And as the oceans rise due to the other greenhouse gasses, more of the water moves into the air, the climate becomes less stable, and traps more heat.
The heat capacity of the atmosphere and earth's surface is so low, that it varies drastically within a few hours every day. Bodies of water, on the other hand, hold about 100x as much heat per unit volume. I have been debating global warming for a damn long time, and NOBODY has ever had a damn thing to say about the real global heat content (including oceans), just debating bullshit air temperatures, which account for almost nothing compared to ocean temps.
Every argument has idiots that don't understand the concepts and subscribe to it, but global warming deniers don't have anyone that understands the concepts , otherwise they wouldn't deny it. And seriously, don't reply angrily until you look at the link, it is an incredibly simple graph of heat content. Not rocket science, I am sure that even you can do it.
Also, some people believe science without question, because science has a solid foundation upon which it is built, the rest is idiot media sources perverting what science has to say to reach some end goals. The uninformed church going conservative on the other hand, doesn't have any logical foundations on which it is built, besides the bible (which is very not solid).
And please, criticize the ocean data, or apologize for being an idiot. Otherwise I am sure you will be modded flamebait even worse for running off like a coward. Anybody who knows about global warming knows that air temp doesn't matter in the big picture of the climate, and knows that the evidence is so overwhelming that somebody would have to disprove the info on ocean heating to make a valid argument. But again and again I just see the same shit come out of you people "air temps, air temps, air temps" is all you know how to fucking look at, and the actually CO2 and methane levels, you don't have a clue how much society produces compared to natural causes, right now people make about 50x as much as nature puts out.
One last thing, like republicans, especially the overly christian kind, don't try to use guilt to try to shame people into accepting government oppression, excessive violations of privacy and freedom, and moral regulation that parallels that of what churches want.
Because those are the only jobs you can get. Why would the sharecroppers of the 1850's work under the same conditions and lack of pay that they worked under as slaves? Because there was no alternative. The whole economy of the old south was based on it. You need to pay the bills, and the student loan debts so high its damn near impossible to get by without a good job. Because a small loyalty on a big concept in a lot of products is a big paycheck. The business gets a shit-ton of money, and the scientist gets damn good money. Instead, the scientist spends a good deal of their life making enough to dress to their job, pay the school loans the size of a large mortgage, pay all their other bills, and get by. I attacked you AND your post, both for legitimate reasons.
Just because the post attacks you does not mean I neglected to fully attack your post. That seems to be something a lot of people miss, when they act like a ignorant jack-ass, and you destroy their post and them, they all do what you did and pretend I made a logical fallacy. Nice try though.
Porn shops, strip clubs, neither unethical or immoral. But lying about who you are, faking and cheating you way through life, possibly getting a position you aren't qualified for and putting lives in danger? Fuck no, that is wrong.
It appears your mind is empty, and devoid of ideas. How about the ownership sticks with the creator, and you can legally use it for a small royalty. Every gets what they deserve and is happy then.
Instead, when ownership sticks with the company, it becomes: You have idea, you pay me to do all the work. You own it, and I get absolutely nothing from it while you get filthy rich. Why would anyone want to work in a profession like that? Its fucking share-cropping of the 21st century.
But of course, that would require thinking, and small royalties, and fairness, so it must be terrible.
and no law has ever been simply and easily worked around in nearly all cases? Simple: I hire scientists as employees. I make them sign a contract where they forfeit copyrights and patents to me, the company. I then sell the products of your labor, and pay you a meager amount, compared to the millions or hundreds of millions I make. People will sign these contracts because it is required to get a job. They do it all the time in recording studios, research centers, everywhere. Just because initial ownership exists doesn't mean that means anything. Without the capitol to do anything with it, the company with the capitol can mine you like gold. And it happens every day.
Sure, you can state unrelated facts all you want, but as long as they can be worked around so easily they might as well not exist, it doesn't matter.
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well, that doesn't mean the pirate bay won't help us reach the marrow.
There is a GIANT difference between "whoops, I did something in the core OS of the phone and it died" and "I installed a harmless 3rd party application, and Apple got the signal and sent a kill code that broke my phone". The first is a stupid mistake, the second is a disgusting abuse of anything and everything. Bastards.
So does that essentially mean that no more daycare centers will be sued for having disney characters painted on their walls? Now more totally absurb strain on progress created by the inability to reference other works due to overbearing copyright law? Or not?
flamethrowers and pot farms. Boy, the city downwind of that is going to have a nice day.
Yea, easy to read while sitting in a dark room underground. My ex had a laptop with a high gloss screen, and had to close all the blinds and turn off all the lights and sit at a special angle to avoid glare. It was so pathetic. You can't read from a screen if all you can see is the ceiling, your reflection, or something else besides what you should be seeing.
Although oftentimes the ceiling may appear very vibrant due to the high level of gloss.
You posted a comment that was clearly meant to cause flaming. Clearly misinterpreting an obvious statement is not amusing or interesting or insightful, it is trolling. You replied with a clear trollful statement intended to create flame, and I called it. Grow up.
Sure, that would make sense if people hadn't paid for warranties, or for support. And if it is such a terrible problem, perhaps they should work on increasing adaptability and security of the product they sell, instead of making in self-destruct for any variety of reasons. Also, if a person is paying a monthly bill to the company, they are paying more than enough for support, considering mobile plans cost more in the US than many other countries.
There is a very big difference between laws for general public safety, such as "don't go out and shoot a ton of people" and organization of public resources (rf bandwidth management, it would certainly suck if noone on your block could hear their favorite radio station because you had to make a phone call). Those are very different than a company deciding that they are going to have full control over your device and prevent you from using it at your leisure harmlessly. That would be like an anti-gay dildo company that made dildos, which upon vaginal use were fine, but if used in a but immediately exploded and killed the individual. You buy something, it should be all means be yours to use for anything you want within the law.
Also, I might note you are kinda like this moron from xkcd: http://xkcd.com/169/
My point was very clear, but you distract from it with criticisms which have no practical point and show a purposed misunderstanding of my post. And then trying to couple it with an insult? If you are going to act like a retarded 5 year old on crack, don't do it on slashdot.
If the phone is sitting on your kitchen table, and they disable it, they are practically in your home. And its not like if you messed with the firmware in your car and it stopped working. It's more like if you did some custom mods to your car, which then detected them, and with manufacturer programming waited until the car is going 60 mph and shuts down the brakes, power steering, on-star if you have it, and forces you to crash and die for messing with their products.
There is a big difference between "whoops I broke it" and a self disabling device that prohibits certain behaviors with the device, and destroys the device if you do anything outside a set range of preset behaviors, on purpose.
As long as a device or any part of a device is sold with a feature that says "you are prohibited from doing what you want with something you paid disgusting amounts of money for" Then something is wrong.
When you buy something, it should be yours to do whatever the fuck you want with it. There is no reason that someone else has any right to tell you what you are allowed to do with your possessions. Hell, if someone came into my house and forced me to stop using super glue to attach everything to everything else, I would have him fucking arrested for trespassing. If they are going to tell you what to do with your devices, then they should replace the word 'buy' with the word 'use until we decide otherwise, within the bounds of what we think is ok' I bet people wouldn't pay such shit-tons of money for every little gizmo if it said that instead.
Totally agreed, and in response to the responses to this, removing posts that state your product is inadequate purely to boost revenue, that is not the "removing mother-fucker from the side of your car" cencorship, it is the "lets hide the truth to boost profits, regardless of the damage it does to society" censorship. Bastards.
Apple had a commercial in 1984 superbowl, I am sure everyone remembers it. I bet they didn't predict that they where the big screen controlling minds by controlling allowed content. Think different, think open source, think freedom, not groupthinkapplecontrolledapprovedcontentbullshitfuckers.
Exactly, there are also direct educational resources online that can aid in learning, like http://www.khanacademy.org/ http://www.wikipedia.org/ not to mention the ability to actually work on homework at home, type up essays and do research and so on. Plus, it did say computer skills were enormously boosted, and last time I checked you need computer skills for just about any job that doesn't involve picking berries off a vine or being a low level construction worker.
Not all geeks are puny. Some of us are tall, large and muscular. And the violence, well, its just more fun that way.
screw the police, go get the laptop and pick up a few other stolen gadgets for personal use from the bastard that stole it while you are there.
Put a baseball bat in your car. Contact the ISP that owns the IP address to find out where it was broadcasted from. Go to the place, and wait. Then, take out the baseball bat and, well, you get the idea.
Or, remote desktop in and mess with them.
I did attack your position, I just also attacked you.
In general, there are very few, if not no jobs at all, that make decent money and are not mentally engaging. Any real job, that actually helps society move forward in culture, forward in technology, science and medicine, or any other field, will likely fall under work for hire. Unless you managed to get funding to start your own business, if you are creating things, it falls under work for hire. You either work at a job that cheats and screws those who produce new things and make good money, work in a shit job for an evil company, or work at a job that doesn't pay the bills.
My point is, there is no different field for equal or better pay. Only manager/senior positions, financial industry, or process managers actually make good money and don't produce ideas.
Also, you still didn't get the analogy, I said that most food is poisoned, but only a very select lucky few get to eat the unpoisoned beef. Unless you are lucky and rich, there isn't a choice.
Because it is either train for a job that is mentally engaging, although evil, and maybe someday do something with my life, or live in poverty, possibly unable to find a job.
In that example, beef was the only food source. You have to eat the poisoned food, starve, or be rich enough to eat the super expensive food. There is only one alternative to the terrible, poisoned food, and that is the food that only a small percentage of people get to eat, by luck.
So 95% of people should just stop working until companies bow to their demands? Where are they going to get the money to do that, who is going to support such a revolt? It is simply not in the cards. Or they could all live off welfare, right, that must be a good alternative. I fail to see where all these millions of people are going to magically find alternate jobs in a 10% unemployment economy. My point is, there aren't other options, you can either be more poor, or take a shit job, or work in another field for less pay. You really haven't been in the job market before, have you? Lemme guess, 13 years old, and think you are so cool, right? You can't even follow simple analogies.
They are the vast majority of the jobs people can get, especially with a nearly 10% and rising unemployment rate. People need work to pay the bills, even if it is soul crushing, dream stealing, sharecropping bullshit. When I am done with college, I will need to get one of these bullshit jobs to pay my monthly loan debt payments and bills.
They are enough of the jobs that the existance of alternatives is irrelevant for 99% of people. That 1%? They enjoy the luxury. But nobody else.
Your argument is like saying that if all beef products had poison in them, except for one that cost $100 per pound, that the people that slowly poison themselves to eat beef are stupid for not just buying the stuff without it. For most people, that option simply doesn't exist.
you mean during the original industrial revolution, when pollution was totally unregulated and factories put out so much crap that nearby areas would get a black coating? if you could note a time before human impact was a factor when something like that happened, go right ahead. Otherwise stfu. and glaciers don't move 'fast', if they did it would need to snow at least 1000 ft of snow every year, at the very least, otherwise the glaciers would spread too thin and nothing would happen. You're so full of shit your eyes are turning brown.
... right, because it is common that ice ages end and reverse themselves in 50-100 years. Regullarly, it would take 5000-20,000 years for this change in temp. Instead it has happened in just a few decades.
Also, just because it doesn't mention one non-existent factor doesn't mean that it doesn't mention about 6 dozen others between that article and the several linked to it. What you did in that post was pretty much like this:
"Who said I was the only one to ever drive a car?, I have never heard anyone say that, except for you saying it!"
and then you say "Bullshit, see this link? IT SAYS PEOPLE RIDE BICYCLES"
There is no excuse for being so incredibly off. When you drive, are you always keeping the lines between your tires? Do you routinely try to take a crap on the toilet and end up in the sink? When you go to bed do you always have trouble figuring out how other people handle such a heavy mattress on top of them? Cause that is how you are acting. Ice ages are not a factor, they are a consequence. What you failed to do, was to relate it to an actual reason. I really wish everyone who failed, failed as epically as you. Life would be so much more interesting.
Yea, but at least the scientific evidence is on their side. I mean, with the heat capacity and warming of oceans, the fact that the earth is heating insanely fast is not even a question, its a blatantly obvious fact. The earth has never heated by this much, this fast, in any history we can read. It typically takes thousands or tens of thousands of years, and happening within the past 100 years, more than half of the increase in the past 50? That is not natural.
We put out a lot more CO2 than the earth itself does, and our cow farms (don't get me wrong, I love eating meat) produce a shit-ton of methane, but you are right. The earth produces a ton of greenhouse gas, water vapor. And as the oceans rise due to the other greenhouse gasses, more of the water moves into the air, the climate becomes less stable, and traps more heat.
Also, those of us that actually know our science, know all of your arguments have to do with air and surface temperature, or solar patterns. Well, right now we are at a very abnormally low solar minimum, and as for air/surface temperature, you could not possibly be more wrong. Let me show you what I mean:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs456.ash1/25081_334304084498_536119498_3617109_7576783_n.jpg
The heat capacity of the atmosphere and earth's surface is so low, that it varies drastically within a few hours every day. Bodies of water, on the other hand, hold about 100x as much heat per unit volume. I have been debating global warming for a damn long time, and NOBODY has ever had a damn thing to say about the real global heat content (including oceans), just debating bullshit air temperatures, which account for almost nothing compared to ocean temps.
Every argument has idiots that don't understand the concepts and subscribe to it, but global warming deniers don't have anyone that understands the concepts , otherwise they wouldn't deny it. And seriously, don't reply angrily until you look at the link, it is an incredibly simple graph of heat content. Not rocket science, I am sure that even you can do it.
Also, some people believe science without question, because science has a solid foundation upon which it is built, the rest is idiot media sources perverting what science has to say to reach some end goals. The uninformed church going conservative on the other hand, doesn't have any logical foundations on which it is built, besides the bible (which is very not solid).
And please, criticize the ocean data, or apologize for being an idiot. Otherwise I am sure you will be modded flamebait even worse for running off like a coward. Anybody who knows about global warming knows that air temp doesn't matter in the big picture of the climate, and knows that the evidence is so overwhelming that somebody would have to disprove the info on ocean heating to make a valid argument. But again and again I just see the same shit come out of you people "air temps, air temps, air temps" is all you know how to fucking look at, and the actually CO2 and methane levels, you don't have a clue how much society produces compared to natural causes, right now people make about 50x as much as nature puts out.
One last thing, like republicans, especially the overly christian kind, don't try to use guilt to try to shame people into accepting government oppression, excessive violations of privacy and freedom, and moral regulation that parallels that of what churches want.
Because those are the only jobs you can get. Why would the sharecroppers of the 1850's work under the same conditions and lack of pay that they worked under as slaves? Because there was no alternative. The whole economy of the old south was based on it. You need to pay the bills, and the student loan debts so high its damn near impossible to get by without a good job. Because a small loyalty on a big concept in a lot of products is a big paycheck. The business gets a shit-ton of money, and the scientist gets damn good money. Instead, the scientist spends a good deal of their life making enough to dress to their job, pay the school loans the size of a large mortgage, pay all their other bills, and get by. I attacked you AND your post, both for legitimate reasons.
Just because the post attacks you does not mean I neglected to fully attack your post. That seems to be something a lot of people miss, when they act like a ignorant jack-ass, and you destroy their post and them, they all do what you did and pretend I made a logical fallacy. Nice try though.
Porn shops, strip clubs, neither unethical or immoral. But lying about who you are, faking and cheating you way through life, possibly getting a position you aren't qualified for and putting lives in danger? Fuck no, that is wrong.
It appears your mind is empty, and devoid of ideas. How about the ownership sticks with the creator, and you can legally use it for a small royalty. Every gets what they deserve and is happy then.
Instead, when ownership sticks with the company, it becomes: You have idea, you pay me to do all the work. You own it, and I get absolutely nothing from it while you get filthy rich. Why would anyone want to work in a profession like that? Its fucking share-cropping of the 21st century.
But of course, that would require thinking, and small royalties, and fairness, so it must be terrible.
and no law has ever been simply and easily worked around in nearly all cases? Simple: I hire scientists as employees. I make them sign a contract where they forfeit copyrights and patents to me, the company. I then sell the products of your labor, and pay you a meager amount, compared to the millions or hundreds of millions I make. People will sign these contracts because it is required to get a job. They do it all the time in recording studios, research centers, everywhere. Just because initial ownership exists doesn't mean that means anything. Without the capitol to do anything with it, the company with the capitol can mine you like gold. And it happens every day.
Sure, you can state unrelated facts all you want, but as long as they can be worked around so easily they might as well not exist, it doesn't matter.