The thing is, in a free market, the market would create laws, copyrights and other forms of IP, because it would be in the interests of those holding power at any moment in time.
This is the problem with libertarianism and anarchism. People are self organising. Destroy the current forms of organisation, and new forms will be created; those forms will suit whoever has the power to create them. I'd wager the new forms would not be so different from those forms we have now.
In other words, centraly controlled power and economics are historically inevitible. Marx was right. These social systems we have with centralised power are genetically programmed into the human species.
So, no-one will want the manuals and the installation media? Everyone's going to download it? From who's server, with who's bandwidth? Who's going to offer support?
The people who give Adobe real money - professional designers - would want services to go with the software.
Service, support, consultancy, training. There's plenty of money to be made.
The difference between software and those art forms you mention is simple and pretty obvious really.
Software is automation, and software can be usefully modified.
If I devise a piece of software which saves me half an hour's work, and it costs me nothing to give it to you and save you half an hour's work too, it's reasonable that I give you that piece of work; especially if by sharing it with you and receiving your improvements to the software, we can both save a whole hour's work.
Those art forms don't have that property. You seem to value software for it's aesthetic qualities, which, although valid, is most definitely a minority opinion. If software was just baubles to be gazed at, then I would sell my computers.
Isn't the idea that no-one buys it, they just try it out randomly and then have to pay $30 to get back into their PC? You know, he wasn't being altogetber serious?
If you get out your resume, and your employer finds out, then you probably will get fired.
Not sure how that would happen. Presuming the resume (well, mine is a CV) is going to reputable employment agencies, then they will always consult you first before passing it on to a prospective employer. The agency wants to look like an idiot just as little as you do.
I occasionally get calls from agencies 18 months after being placed in a permanent post, so my CV is definitely 'out there' despite my not having pushed it.
There is no harm in this. You are not going to get fired simply for having been in touch with an employment agency months ago, or now.
the English language that is just a derivative of a derivative of Latin
That's shit. Read this - not a word of what I say is from Latin or it's children, but for when I am speaking of them, and the word Teutonic; we have to look to Latin to find words like that... and names, it wouldn't be fair not to allow those.
"Latin the mother tongue" is daft snobbery, spread by the witless. English has been swayed deeply by Latin, in the middle ages, I will give you that. It has the same roots too, along with many of the tongues spoken in the middle east and Russia. But English is more akin to Dutch and Norse than Latin, or it's children, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese.
The best way I can put this is that one cannot say anything of worth without using Teutonic words. All the words we need for a framework to our utterances, none of them are from Latin.
Give it a shot, I bet you can't put together anything worth talking about, only with words from Latin.
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No, no, you're meant to be posting to the irony thread!
Look at netBSD; it isn't dying, it's still working on its number-one goal: security.
I think that would be portability. OpenBSD's goal is security.
You make some fair points. I would have to say that you can't very well expect software to change it's name just because it's evolved. I'm not the same person I was twenty years ago by a long shot but I'm not about to call myself Roger Keith. I don't expect to be exactly the same person in twenty years by I will still be recognisable. Probably.
I've seen the bit about support from large companies like IBM. My day-job employer are IBM's biggest customer in this city. The first thing I did was trawl their web site to see if they did support for arbitrary free software. All I found was refernce to running Linux on Netfinity boxes and such like. The link in the other thread says they support "qualifying distributions of linux" or something similar. They don't name them and they don't name prices. This wasn't even going to run on Linux.
Besides, my point is that big companies need support, not that support is unavailable, so FOAD.
Yes, they support SuSE. If it's not on the SuSE installation CDs, it doesn't get supported.
Yes, there's lots of things on the CDs, but if it's not there your own your own. Specifically I wanted to use Webmin and Fcheck, neither of these are supported.
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Interestingly, the Pakistanis I have witnessed making tea actually brewed it in milk, not water.
Yes, do you have a problem with that/
The thing is, in a free market, the market would create laws, copyrights and other forms of IP, because it would be in the interests of those holding power at any moment in time.
This is the problem with libertarianism and anarchism. People are self organising. Destroy the current forms of organisation, and new forms will be created; those forms will suit whoever has the power to create them. I'd wager the new forms would not be so different from those forms we have now.
In other words, centraly controlled power and economics are historically inevitible. Marx was right. These social systems we have with centralised power are genetically programmed into the human species.
Nope, there's no contradiction. Clumsy, but logical.
"Anglisms" [actually...]
Try anglicism or, if you're talking about words specific to British English, briticism.
Are you arguing that software is art or that software is not usefully Free?
Please decide.
Absolutely. Even TVs and hifi's used to come with schematics, so you could fix them! That's what the ethos of free software should be.
So, no-one will want the manuals and the installation media? Everyone's going to download it? From who's server, with who's bandwidth? Who's going to offer support?
The people who give Adobe real money - professional designers - would want services to go with the software.
Service, support, consultancy, training. There's plenty of money to be made.
The difference between software and those art forms you mention is simple and pretty obvious really.
Software is automation, and software can be usefully modified.
If I devise a piece of software which saves me half an hour's work, and it costs me nothing to give it to you and save you half an hour's work too, it's reasonable that I give you that piece of work; especially if by sharing it with you and receiving your improvements to the software, we can both save a whole hour's work.
Those art forms don't have that property. You seem to value software for it's aesthetic qualities, which, although valid, is most definitely a minority opinion. If software was just baubles to be gazed at, then I would sell my computers.
Isn't the idea that no-one buys it, they just try it out randomly and then have to pay $30 to get back into their PC? You know, he wasn't being altogetber serious?
If you get out your resume, and your employer finds out, then you probably will get fired.
Not sure how that would happen. Presuming the resume (well, mine is a CV) is going to reputable employment agencies, then they will always consult you first before passing it on to a prospective employer. The agency wants to look like an idiot just as little as you do.
I occasionally get calls from agencies 18 months after being placed in a permanent post, so my CV is definitely 'out there' despite my not having pushed it.
There is no harm in this. You are not going to get fired simply for having been in touch with an employment agency months ago, or now.
And these people.
And I thought I was joking! Well, kinda...
nice.
I like your nick too.
I'm using definition 1a of irony.
the English language that is just a derivative of a derivative of Latin
That's shit. Read this - not a word of what I say is from Latin or it's children, but for when I am speaking of them, and the word Teutonic; we have to look to Latin to find words like that... and names, it wouldn't be fair not to allow those.
"Latin the mother tongue" is daft snobbery, spread by the witless. English has been swayed deeply by Latin, in the middle ages, I will give you that. It has the same roots too, along with many of the tongues spoken in the middle east and Russia. But English is more akin to Dutch and Norse than Latin, or it's children, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese.
The best way I can put this is that one cannot say anything of worth without using Teutonic words. All the words we need for a framework to our utterances, none of them are from Latin.
Give it a shot, I bet you can't put together anything worth talking about, only with words from Latin.
No, no, you're meant to be posting to the irony thread!
Look at netBSD; it isn't dying, it's still working on its number-one goal: security.
I think that would be portability. OpenBSD's goal is security.
You make some fair points. I would have to say that you can't very well expect software to change it's name just because it's evolved. I'm not the same person I was twenty years ago by a long shot but I'm not about to call myself Roger Keith. I don't expect to be exactly the same person in twenty years by I will still be recognisable. Probably.
Yes, I know. What is needed, however, is not support of linux distributions but support of arbitrary Free Software.
If some household name in the UK would offer that, then the sky would be the limit.
I've seen the bit about support from large companies like IBM. My day-job employer are IBM's biggest customer in this city. The first thing I did was trawl their web site to see if they did support for arbitrary free software. All I found was refernce to running Linux on Netfinity boxes and such like. The link in the other thread says they support "qualifying distributions of linux" or something similar. They don't name them and they don't name prices. This wasn't even going to run on Linux.
Besides, my point is that big companies need support, not that support is unavailable, so FOAD.
Well, we still have swear words left. Companies would get into trouble if they claimed their product was the Fuckin' Best!
Thus we the people still have unrestrained access to the definitive hyperbole.
irregardless is now in most dictionaries
Along with the admonition to Use regardless instead.
Anyway, this is semantics, not grammar.
Should have said, he's a dedicated desktop guy, we have 11,000 of them (desktops). We have only a light dusting of Microsoft servers.
Please. Individual developers do not a support company make.
Good for you, sorry you got modded down. No doubt I will too, but I have sufficient karma and I'm drunk so I don't care.
Yes, they support SuSE. If it's not on the SuSE installation CDs, it doesn't get supported.
Yes, there's lots of things on the CDs, but if it's not there your own your own. Specifically I wanted to use Webmin and Fcheck, neither of these are supported.