I believe that is the whole point, due to the typos and spelling mistakes people have used intentionally to get around napsters filtering, napster is now going to use the database at cddb which is riddles with mistakes in spelling to filter on.
Now I am glad I never submitted anything to the cddb. What we need is an alternate DB that is open and free.
As far as I know, Diablo, the word as well as the meaning of the word has been around since long before Computers, its been in books, I personally don't think Blizzard has any rights to the name, as does New Line, its a name, anyone can use it.
I cannot get to the site right now.. scifi.com appears to be slashdotted, however while I was there this morning, they noted the budget at $200 not $20 million
Okay, I have not been following the browser wars very closely, but I remember something about the fact the AOL killed the attempt netscape/mozilla made to add a functiont aht would only accept images from the site you were visiting (hence killing banner adds, tracking clear images etc etc). Now, are there any browsers out there that have this type of privacy and security functionality. It's obvious that netscape and IE will never have anything like that since they are a huge advertising platform for MS and AOL.
What I want is a broswer that supports java, is w3c compliant, blocks images that do not originate from the requested site, and the ability to not accept or send cookies to any site but the one I am visiting.
Okay, I have posted 2 previous posts here about how they operate. Now for why they will continue to operate and how they do not get caught.
A typical spammer will have a CD of millions of addresses, verified or not, it makes no difference. Then the spammer will go out and find an old mail server, the ones that report the "helo whatever" statement as the sender and does not check, older versions of sendmail do this, but most old mail servers do as well. Easiest place to find them, colleges, third world countries, old corperate machines that have not been updated in years. Japan has a huge no of them.
Spam away, the spammer will live a little longer as the mail server will never report his actual IP, so most abuse departments will disregard the complaints and junp them, unless the mail server in question (which will always get reported by the recieving mail server) is hosted by the provider you complained to.
I know I seem somewhat radical here, but I spent over a year dealing with spammers and UCE, and the fact that I kept seeing the same people reapearing (you can tell by the spam itself), at different ISP's, and even under different user names at same ISP's with diff credit info leads me to believe that unless their is a law, nothing will change.
ps, most companies will not bother going after spammers who defraud them by using invalid credit card no's unless their is a huge amount of money involved, and spammers know this too.
With the exception of psi.net, the rest actually do enforce their AUP.
The problem is, spammers will sign up about 50 accounts, many times using fake credit info, names and phone numbers. They do this on online signup pages for ISPs, usually the little mom and pop ones that don't do the immediate credit checks. They do this on Fri nights mostly. This way they have around till mon or tues before the accounts start getting whacked, problem is, in those few days, they can send millions of messages.
I have played whack a mole with hundreds of spammers at my previous job as an Abuse person at a very large ISP (will not name the backbone provider who is based in louden VA:). Anyways, untill their is a law that can be effectively used (not proposed bills), and enforced, spammers will use every which way they can. And every spammer that my dep managed to get rid of permanently, moved to psi.net, and as far as I can tell, they are still with psi.net after me changing jobs over a year ago.
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When a spammer makes his spam run, he uses stolen resources. He hijacks a mail server, and forges the from address, and the reply to address, so whether he has a db of 1000000 real addresses, or 1000000 addresses that are crap without 20 real addresses by luck, he does not care. Because the address he forged will be the recipient of the bounce back messages.
Spammers don't follow the rules, all the crap they spout in emails about this bill and that bill making this legal are complete bullshit.
Spammers are the murderers and rapists of the techno world, they steal resources of other peoples networks, and the traffic they generate is enough to drop small networks and mail servers.
In my previous job as abuse guy at an ISP, I can tell you straight, that we do not need to notify you of what will be done if abuse people find questionable info or files.
When you sign up for service, whether it is online or offline, you are always told to either put a check in the "read terms of service agreement" or in many cases (not all) you are required to initial or sign the paper version of the terms of service and return it to the ISP.
Whether you read it or not is irrelavent, however if you are unhappy with the service, go elsewhere.
Just take my advice, always.. ALWAYS read the fine print, the terms of service, and their acceptable use policy.
Actually... I am inclined to agree with you, 30 seconds is not a good enough head start for me.
However, possibly 30 seconds later, the doors can lock, the car shut down, and the radio crank up to max volume:) Personally in my car, a max volume would blow up said car jackers head, or atleast leave him permanently deaf or hard of hearing.
But I live in the US, he would sue me for making him deaf for car jacking my car.
Bleh
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I think you fail to see the reason for using such large cases. Sure it would be nice to be smaller, something you can put on your desk... oh wait, they do have those:P
On the other hand, the large cases seem suspiciously the right size for a 1u or 2u, etc etc rackmount.... You draw your own conclusions:P
I have a huge collection of MP3's, al very legal, I spend 200 to $300 every few months buying CD's (from metropolis and a few other indie labels). I make mp3's for myself, and offer them to my friends, so I purchase most of the music I buy, I support my artists I listen to, and I don't mind sharing my CD's / MP3's with others, call me a hypocrit if you want.
But I can tell you straight, when I used napster, I never downloaded anything, only supplied, and I certainly will not be paying my money to a huge company so I can supply them with music to download. Because if you remember correctly, Napster was about people sharing music with people, no Companies extorting money for music.
Ah well, the cat is out of the bag, they will not be able to stop mp3's, it will go under ground, and new formats will arise to replace it, we do not have to use the formats that will limit our listening and expire songs books whatever, and You know what I say to micropayments, I say shove them up the fucking asses of the companies who want us to rent music and other media.
I don't see the point in even bothering to continue with teh case if the supreme court won't hear it.
I despise MS as much as the next person for the record.
However, at the rate the appeals court goes through things, then you know both sides will appeal it to the supreme court, we will be years down the line. And the technology that the law suit was about will have been forgotten.
MS will have its.net crap, they will continue to set their lawyers on anyone that threatens them in any way (note the ntfs fiasco 3 or 4 articles ago), they will continue to purchase and squash what they cannot purchase, etc etc.
Let see what MS has their greedy hands in.(note this is only what I can think of off hand)
1) Cable Set top boxes (although att is apparently going with someone else cos MS took their sweet time)
2) PDA operating systems (palm os is still better)
3) Satellite communications (MSN and some satelitte company are testing bi direction satellite).
4) They basically control the corperate world with NT and office suit
5) Almost every machine is sold with some varient of windows (95 98 ME whatever_next) that is required by oppressive OEM agreements)
I am sure there is more, but off hand I cannot remember anymore.
Anyways, the original point was, by the time the supreme court hears the case, they will most likely dismiss it cos the whole point of the case would have been technology that will have been obsolete for years already, and knowing MS, their buisness practices will change only somewhat to avoid looking bad in the courts eyes.
I don't see the need for a whole new court system, the existing one would work just fine if the judges involved where less biased, and better informed. It does not take a computer genuis to read over a technical outline about a subject, only the ability to follow and understand an unbiased brief.
Also getting rid of the god damn lawyers who prob people into all these damn useless law suits (King comes to mind), and a little more backround screening of the judges involved in cases (for example I believe Kaplin has presided over a/few previous cases and sided with the corperate industry).
Wake up people, there are some very evil people out there, and it is our duty as decent Christians to do everything we can to help stop them.
I take offence at this comment, there are many other religions out there, don't assume that because you are a "decent" christian that you are the only one that cares.. or only group that cares. This is an issue that effects humanity as a whole, and there is no place to add religion into this fight.
The problem with this one is that ISPs that lease lines aka uunet/sprint/psi to people like gte/msn/mindspring run up against contract issues. Alot of the time the ISP that leases the lines does not give a shit about what there users send as in most cases the leased lines do not identify which ISP the user is with, only shows a psi.net or a da.uu.net ip. Therefore they do not care. It is very easy to setup per port filtering, its a finctionality on all Ascend terminal servers (and I will assume something similair with others), What happens is when the user authenticates, he has an associated profile with his name, in that profile there is an SMTP server listing, all traffic to port 25 but to the listed server is blocked. The reasons the isp's that lease lines hate this, it makes it very easy for the people who get spammed to ID which isp has whcih leased line since user a can only use user a's isp mail server.
You don't seem to understand, its one thing applying an ACL to a packet based device, you lose efficiency somewhat, and degrade the overall performance of the network. However, many companys are no longer using old IP based systems.
At my previous employ, there were a few customers that used ATM, a cell based not a packet based protocol, ACL's do not work with cell based protocols, as well as people like uunet, att, bbnplanet, most of them use ATM to route traffic internally and across peers from there border routers. so putting up an ACL is not an option.
> To use the law to help us, and then to turn around > and attack it (as I hope people will continue to > do)is kinda low."
I see what yer saying, but as a minority group (atleast in the courts eyes), we need to use every tool/law available to us. Sure we can continue to fight bad laws like UCITA and DMCA. But we can also use them to our advantage, play dirty like the rest of the corperate world, thats why the open source community as a whole keeps taking one step forward, 2 steps back, we try to play fair, while corperations play dirty. And as much as I hate to admit it, you don't get anywhere by playing by the rules when fighting an opponent who cheats.
But, if the open source community decided to use the UCITA or DMCA laws as a reason to win the court case, would that set a bad precedent for when we turn around and try to fight the laws in question, and be stabbing ourselves in the back.
As always, I am not a lawyer, and my oppinions are mine and not that of my employer who has some patent issues that I disagree with as it is:)
Is this like a anyone can join only thing, or does one have to get invited. Also would this just involve technical related subjects, or all patents could be reviewed by ESR.
If UCITA can enforce all those crappy agreements that big software makers force on us, why can we not use that same LAW to protect GPL'd software.
I am not a lawyer, however I cannot find any reason why we cannot use a bad law to our advantage (I know this is slightly off topic, but it makes some sense to me)
The major reason spam is a problem, is that it pushes the costs onto the recipient and the recipients ISP.
You thinkjust cos you have 1 or 2 email spams a day, big deal, hit delete.
Now think of this from an ISPs standpoint, you have 500k+ users. You have joe schmoe spammer, who decideds to spam every conceivable name in the dictionary @ispa.com, he forges user@ispb.com as the sender of the spam, and he sends the spam through open relay in godknowswhere.co.ko (makes tracing difficult)
Now, thje scenario is set. 1) ispa.com has just recieved those 2 or 3 spams for 500k+ users, and needs to store all of the messages, means increased mail server space and bandwitdth since that email did not come in once for all the users, but 500k+ times.
2) all of the bounce backs that are generated by user unknown get sent back to user@ispb.com (and I have seen spam runs generate millions of bounces and literallty destroy a small ISP's mail servers and bandwidth).
Who pays for all this, you can damn well bet the ISP is going to put the cost onto the user for better equip when it comes tmie to upgrade.
Spam is bad, there is no reason for emailing someoen somethign they did not request, and if I had it my way, I would have every single ISP that has an open relay server blocked completely at the router level at all the backbones. no traffic gets through, but hey, I have no control so oh well.
Like you I am not an export, or even very knowledgable on buisness laws.
But since MS is a US company, I am willing to bet most of MS's assets are in US holdings and banks, So it would be hard for MS to just up and move out of the US, and the US could possibly freeze all of MS's assets. As well as the fact that all those offices in other countries are just satalite offices. They would most likely fall apart of MS HQ went down the tubes.
But hey, from what I hear EU is already looking into anti trust law suits against MS, (I will assume EU covers all european countries).
Anyways, those are my guesses, 10 to 1 I am completely off base.
And just how do you plan on fittint all that into half an inch's worth of expansion to the thickness. And there is no way to just add all of that without redesigning the board, which I suspect NP just purchase in wholesale from a distributer.
If you really want something like this, get the IO for whatever price, 160 with the 3 month contract. Go out and get a cheap p133 with ether and sound built in, crack open the IO, yank the board, replace it with the board you purchased (I have seen p133 embedded boards (about the size of a CD jewel case) for $250). In the end you have a hacked up device with all that you asked for, for around $160 + $250.
Ermm, thats why that kid overseas got arrested. You would be surprised how far a companies reach is, even if the US courts cannot get you, the company can
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I believe that is the whole point, due to the typos and spelling mistakes people have used intentionally to get around napsters filtering, napster is now going to use the database at cddb which is riddles with mistakes in spelling to filter on.
Now I am glad I never submitted anything to the cddb. What we need is an alternate DB that is open and free.
As far as I know, Diablo, the word as well as the meaning of the word has been around since long before Computers, its been in books, I personally don't think Blizzard has any rights to the name, as does New Line, its a name, anyone can use it.
I cannot get to the site right now.. scifi.com appears to be slashdotted, however while I was there this morning, they noted the budget at $200 not $20 million
I registered tcpipbitch.net with NSI no problems, and bitch was one of them words they would not register in the past.
Okay, I have not been following the browser wars very closely, but I remember something about the fact the AOL killed the attempt netscape/mozilla made to add a functiont aht would only accept images from the site you were visiting (hence killing banner adds, tracking clear images etc etc). Now, are there any browsers out there that have this type of privacy and security functionality. It's obvious that netscape and IE will never have anything like that since they are a huge advertising platform for MS and AOL.
What I want is a broswer that supports java, is w3c compliant, blocks images that do not originate from the requested site, and the ability to not accept or send cookies to any site but the one I am visiting.
Anything out their that will follow these std's
Okay, I have posted 2 previous posts here about how they operate. Now for why they will continue to operate and how they do not get caught.
A typical spammer will have a CD of millions of addresses, verified or not, it makes no difference. Then the spammer will go out and find an old mail server, the ones that report the "helo whatever" statement as the sender and does not check, older versions of sendmail do this, but most old mail servers do as well. Easiest place to find them, colleges, third world countries, old corperate machines that have not been updated in years. Japan has a huge no of them.
Spam away, the spammer will live a little longer as the mail server will never report his actual IP, so most abuse departments will disregard the complaints and junp them, unless the mail server in question (which will always get reported by the recieving mail server) is hosted by the provider you complained to.
I know I seem somewhat radical here, but I spent over a year dealing with spammers and UCE, and the fact that I kept seeing the same people reapearing (you can tell by the spam itself), at different ISP's, and even under different user names at same ISP's with diff credit info leads me to believe that unless their is a law, nothing will change.
ps, most companies will not bother going after spammers who defraud them by using invalid credit card no's unless their is a huge amount of money involved, and spammers know this too.
You have no idea how it works do you....
:). Anyways, untill their is a law that can be effectively used (not proposed bills), and enforced, spammers will use every which way they can. And every spammer that my dep managed to get rid of permanently, moved to psi.net, and as far as I can tell, they are still with psi.net after me changing jobs over a year ago.
With the exception of psi.net, the rest actually do enforce their AUP.
The problem is, spammers will sign up about 50 accounts, many times using fake credit info, names and phone numbers. They do this on online signup pages for ISPs, usually the little mom and pop ones that don't do the immediate credit checks. They do this on Fri nights mostly. This way they have around till mon or tues before the accounts start getting whacked, problem is, in those few days, they can send millions of messages.
I have played whack a mole with hundreds of spammers at my previous job as an Abuse person at a very large ISP (will not name the backbone provider who is based in louden VA
When a spammer makes his spam run, he uses stolen resources. He hijacks a mail server, and forges the from address, and the reply to address, so whether he has a db of 1000000 real addresses, or 1000000 addresses that are crap without 20 real addresses by luck, he does not care. Because the address he forged will be the recipient of the bounce back messages.
Spammers don't follow the rules, all the crap they spout in emails about this bill and that bill making this legal are complete bullshit.
Spammers are the murderers and rapists of the techno world, they steal resources of other peoples networks, and the traffic they generate is enough to drop small networks and mail servers.
In my previous job as abuse guy at an ISP, I can tell you straight, that we do not need to notify you of what will be done if abuse people find questionable info or files.
When you sign up for service, whether it is online or offline, you are always told to either put a check in the "read terms of service agreement" or in many cases (not all) you are required to initial or sign the paper version of the terms of service and return it to the ISP.
Whether you read it or not is irrelavent, however if you are unhappy with the service, go elsewhere.
Just take my advice, always.. ALWAYS read the fine print, the terms of service, and their acceptable use policy.
Actually... I am inclined to agree with you, 30 seconds is not a good enough head start for me.
:) Personally in my car, a max volume would blow up said car jackers head, or atleast leave him permanently deaf or hard of hearing.
However, possibly 30 seconds later, the doors can lock, the car shut down, and the radio crank up to max volume
But I live in the US, he would sue me for making him deaf for car jacking my car.
Bleh
I think you fail to see the reason for using such large cases. Sure it would be nice to be smaller, something you can put on your desk... oh wait, they do have those :P
:P
On the other hand, the large cases seem suspiciously the right size for a 1u or 2u, etc etc rackmount.... You draw your own conclusions
I have a huge collection of MP3's, al very legal, I spend 200 to $300 every few months buying CD's (from metropolis and a few other indie labels). I make mp3's for myself, and offer them to my friends, so I purchase most of the music I buy, I support my artists I listen to, and I don't mind sharing my CD's / MP3's with others, call me a hypocrit if you want.
:P
But I can tell you straight, when I used napster, I never downloaded anything, only supplied, and I certainly will not be paying my money to a huge company so I can supply them with music to download. Because if you remember correctly, Napster was about people sharing music with people, no Companies extorting money for music.
Ah well, the cat is out of the bag, they will not be able to stop mp3's, it will go under ground, and new formats will arise to replace it, we do not have to use the formats that will limit our listening and expire songs books whatever, and You know what I say to micropayments, I say shove them up the fucking asses of the companies who want us to rent music and other media.
When I pay for something it is mine
I don't see the point in even bothering to continue with teh case if the supreme court won't hear it.
.net crap, they will continue to set their lawyers on anyone that threatens them in any way (note the ntfs fiasco 3 or 4 articles ago), they will continue to purchase and squash what they cannot purchase, etc etc.
I despise MS as much as the next person for the record.
However, at the rate the appeals court goes through things, then you know both sides will appeal it to the supreme court, we will be years down the line. And the technology that the law suit was about will have been forgotten.
MS will have its
Let see what MS has their greedy hands in.(note this is only what I can think of off hand)
1) Cable Set top boxes (although att is apparently going with someone else cos MS took their sweet time)
2) PDA operating systems (palm os is still better)
3) Satellite communications (MSN and some satelitte company are testing bi direction satellite).
4) They basically control the corperate world with NT and office suit
5) Almost every machine is sold with some varient of windows (95 98 ME whatever_next) that is required by oppressive OEM agreements)
I am sure there is more, but off hand I cannot remember anymore.
Anyways, the original point was, by the time the supreme court hears the case, they will most likely dismiss it cos the whole point of the case would have been technology that will have been obsolete for years already, and knowing MS, their buisness practices will change only somewhat to avoid looking bad in the courts eyes.
It is not the dollor, its the British Pound symbol
I don't see the need for a whole new court system, the existing one would work just fine if the judges involved where less biased, and better informed. It does not take a computer genuis to read over a technical outline about a subject, only the ability to follow and understand an unbiased brief.
... my 2c worth
Also getting rid of the god damn lawyers who prob people into all these damn useless law suits (King comes to mind), and a little more backround screening of the judges involved in cases (for example I believe Kaplin has presided over a/few previous cases and sided with the corperate industry).
Jason
The problem with this one is that ISPs that lease lines aka uunet/sprint/psi to people like gte/msn/mindspring run up against contract issues. Alot of the time the ISP that leases the lines does not give a shit about what there users send as in most cases the leased lines do not identify which ISP the user is with, only shows a psi.net or a da.uu.net ip. Therefore they do not care. It is very easy to setup per port filtering, its a finctionality on all Ascend terminal servers (and I will assume something similair with others), What happens is when the user authenticates, he has an associated profile with his name, in that profile there is an SMTP server listing, all traffic to port 25 but to the listed server is blocked. The reasons the isp's that lease lines hate this, it makes it very easy for the people who get spammed to ID which isp has whcih leased line since user a can only use user a's isp mail server.
You don't seem to understand, its one thing applying an ACL to a packet based device, you lose efficiency somewhat, and degrade the overall performance of the network. However, many companys are no longer using old IP based systems.
At my previous employ, there were a few customers that used ATM, a cell based not a packet based protocol, ACL's do not work with cell based protocols, as well as people like uunet, att, bbnplanet, most of them use ATM to route traffic internally and across peers from there border routers. so putting up an ACL is not an option.
> To use the law to help us, and then to turn around > and attack it (as I hope people will continue to > do)is kinda low."
:)
I see what yer saying, but as a minority group (atleast in the courts eyes), we need to use every tool/law available to us. Sure we can continue to fight bad laws like UCITA and DMCA. But we can also use them to our advantage, play dirty like the rest of the corperate world, thats why the open source community as a whole keeps taking one step forward, 2 steps back, we try to play fair, while corperations play dirty. And as much as I hate to admit it, you don't get anywhere by playing by the rules when fighting an opponent who cheats.
But, if the open source community decided to use the UCITA or DMCA laws as a reason to win the court case, would that set a bad precedent for when we turn around and try to fight the laws in question, and be stabbing ourselves in the back.
As always, I am not a lawyer, and my oppinions are mine and not that of my employer who has some patent issues that I disagree with as it is
Jason
Is this like a anyone can join only thing, or does one have to get invited. Also would this just involve technical related subjects, or all patents could be reviewed by ESR.
Jason
If UCITA can enforce all those crappy agreements that big software makers force on us, why can we not use that same LAW to protect GPL'd software.
I am not a lawyer, however I cannot find any reason why we cannot use a bad law to our advantage (I know this is slightly off topic, but it makes some sense to me)
Jason
The major reason spam is a problem, is that it pushes the costs onto the recipient and the recipients ISP.
You thinkjust cos you have 1 or 2 email spams a day, big deal, hit delete.
Now think of this from an ISPs standpoint, you have 500k+ users. You have joe schmoe spammer, who decideds to spam every conceivable name in the dictionary @ispa.com, he forges user@ispb.com as the sender of the spam, and he sends the spam through open relay in godknowswhere.co.ko (makes tracing difficult)
Now, thje scenario is set.
1) ispa.com has just recieved those 2 or 3 spams for 500k+ users, and needs to store all of the messages, means increased mail server space and bandwitdth since that email did not come in once for all the users, but 500k+ times.
2) all of the bounce backs that are generated by user unknown get sent back to user@ispb.com (and I have seen spam runs generate millions of bounces and literallty destroy a small ISP's mail servers and bandwidth).
Who pays for all this, you can damn well bet the ISP is going to put the cost onto the user for better equip when it comes tmie to upgrade.
Spam is bad, there is no reason for emailing someoen somethign they did not request, and if I had it my way, I would have every single ISP that has an open relay server blocked completely at the router level at all the backbones. no traffic gets through, but hey, I have no control so oh well.
Like you I am not an export, or even very knowledgable on buisness laws.
But since MS is a US company, I am willing to bet most of MS's assets are in US holdings and banks,
So it would be hard for MS to just up and move out of the US, and the US could possibly freeze all of MS's assets. As well as the fact that all those offices in other countries are just satalite offices. They would most likely fall apart of MS HQ went down the tubes.
But hey, from what I hear EU is already looking into anti trust law suits against MS, (I will assume EU covers all european countries).
Anyways, those are my guesses, 10 to 1 I am completely off base.
And just how do you plan on fittint all that into half an inch's worth of expansion to the thickness. And there is no way to just add all of that without redesigning the board, which I suspect NP just purchase in wholesale from a distributer.
If you really want something like this, get the IO for whatever price, 160 with the 3 month contract. Go out and get a cheap p133 with ether and sound built in, crack open the IO, yank the board, replace it with the board you purchased (I have seen p133 embedded boards (about the size of a CD jewel case) for $250). In the end you have a hacked up device with all that you asked for, for around $160 + $250.
Ermm, thats why that kid overseas got arrested.
You would be surprised how far a companies reach is, even if the US courts cannot get you, the company can