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To actually be a sociopath, you'd need to not even understand why you'd care about that other guy, nor need to rationalize it to yourself in any form or shape
Please note that my statement didn't say that I'm a sociopath. I was trying to say that I'm a bit closer to them than the average person. I know I'm not a true sociopath. You see, I understand why.
Yes, there are circumstances where I'd do my best to kill another human. In those circumstances, I'll pull the trigger. The only hesitation would be verifying my aim.
I think that it's a matter of I think that human society, as built, depends on trust. I like human society because it's nice. I don't have to break my back to get food on the table, there are cures to various diseases, etc... In return there's an element of trust, a social contract. I get really irritated at those unwilling to live by that contract as it disproportinately drags the rest of us(including me) down.
The problem with that system is that, like geothermal, it depends upon a relativly rare geographical condition: For this sytem, a river mouth with a large amount of tide flow. While there are many such, most are heavily used by ship traffic, which complicates matters.
As noted in the article, the facility provides.012% of France's electricity. It's only 240 megawatts. I'm sorry, but I'd consider anything under 1% as a 'niche' generation system.
Tidal power systems that can be essentially tossed anywhere there's a tide, even open ocean, are entirely different affairs, somewhat unfortuantly.
Sorry, no link, but I have read in paper literature about groups of male chimpanzees patroling, fighting other groups, performing ambushes. They DO kill the other chimps if they can manage it, and practice cannibalism.
Humans are cooperative creatures, but we DO have our nasty side.
I'm not one of the 3%, but in some ways I'm close.
I'd swap that out with 'IED', the military uses a whole lot of bombs and other explosive devices as weapons and they're mostly designed to be really easy to defuse.
Even mines, without additional modification/tampering, are straighforward to defuse, if time consuming.
But yes, this course would be of limited use to a terrorist. It's in the usage of commercial explosives(need permit to obtain), commercial detonators(tracked, need permit), involves no training in the concealment of explosives nor smuggling.
Any terrorists would almost be better off with a copy of the anarchist's cookbook or equivalent.
There's plenty of swings in markets - For home prices credit availability does have a large effect. Still, market forces to bear - home prices go skyhigh, construction companies and speculators get houses built to take advantage of it, overbuild, causing home prices to fall. Though rarely to the point that they don't make a profit on their buildings, just not quite what they hoped for. Since not so much profit is available, they slow/stop building houses.
This implies that Mr.A is running a business on the side to generate wealth. Nothing wrong with that (well, as long as he lets everyone know that they cannot get their money on demand if they all do it at once).
He isn't running the business; Mr. A is lending the money to the bartender to buy the stuff, because for some reason the bartender's broke and can't afford to stock for the night.
The feds control the printing presses; they can guarentee the money to the banks. It's essentially a big insurance program. By assuring people that they can get their money out*, you actually reduce the chance of a run on the banks.
What it does is like what I described - it creates more chips than it has dollars and gives these new chips to its friends. There is no investing and wealth generation going on here.
Actually, yes there is. It enables business startups, normal people to buy large cost goods that enable them to make more money(car, for example**). It allows a great number of things.
*Unless they have huge amounts of it in there. **Yes, I know about mass transit and all that.
The thing is that current hybrid batteries are as large as they are more for current capacity than energy storage. But then, as all their power comes from the ICE, they don't need any more capacity than what's needed for 'acceptible' starts and storage of stopping energy.
When you go to pluggable hybrids or outright electrics, your battery bank becomes defined by energy needs - not current capacity. A battery pack with enough energy to get you even 50 miles is going to have plenty of current capacity for the current requirements for charge/discharge for your stopping/starting. If you start looking at a LiIon based storage system for a 300mile range car, you're talking about even a screeching stop not being able to strain the charging capacity of the batteries.
At which point you wouldn't want the capaciters anyways, as their energy storage ability is poor in comparison to batteries by weight and volume. You might have some as part of a power regulation system, of course, but they wouldn't be considered part of a vehicle's 'fuel tank'.
It's called collateral. You don't pay me back, I take your house/car/wife/whatever you put down as collateral on the loan.
Collateral often doesn't cut it. That's the major reason why people with poor credit scores end up paying more interest than people with good scores, even with secured loans such as for cars and houses.
As for interest free loans - how to you make sure people only get them as necessary? We have enough people going hog-wild with 20+% interest loans.
Fact is, as long as we have inflation it would be in my best interest in such an enviroment to borrow as much money as possible under your scheme(government provided 0% interest loans), and pay it back as slowly as possible. Money represents goods and resources, the only way to cover said regime would be massive amounts of inflation - which would only drive more loans.
If you think that the government could responsibly handle this - you have more faith in it than I do.
Yes, crazy financing has certainly had a hand in it. Still, look at the response - home building went on a huge boom as well. Now the crazy financing isn't quite as available, many new homes have been built, and prices are coming down a bit.
Still, I tend to value a home like a car - it's only worth what it would cost to build a replacement, with modifiers for the fact that a new replacement home will, on average, be nicer and safer(built to newer codes). In order to maintain value it needs to be kept up. Antique homes - like antique cars, will have additional value based on their historical value. It all ends up being very complicated.
What significantly increases in value is the land the home is on - and don't forget things like utility hookups, impact fees, etc... The population of the USA is increasing and urbanizing - a home on cheap land that was originally out on the edge of town can now be effectivly in the center of a major city. It seems that everybody* wants to live in California or Florida, in/near a major city. No wonder prices spike there! Demand far outstrips supply, especially when cities dig in their heels and restrict homebuilding. This creates bidding wars, which guarentees pain on the part of buyers - as only the richest/most willing to accept pain win.
As real estate agents say - location, location, location. There are areas where an extra 15 minutes of commute can literally halve the price of equivalent housing.
A house still involves a substantial amount of labor and resources. Without the ability to get high enough prices for a home, you're not going to see anywhere as many being built, nor as large or good of quality*.
What happens then? People with capital build the homes and everybody poor rents from the rich, because they can't afford to buy. Yay.
Question, how are you going to convince me to lend you money, delaying my own gratification, without any pay for it? Worse yet, the chance that you'll default on the payments, leaving me without my money?
Interest is the whole reason why people lend money in the first place.
Wrong analogy, I'd think. It'd be like Mr. A taking a portion of the money in the box and using it to supply the bar. The bar is supposed to pay Mr. A back(it's not a free bar) at the end of the night, more money than what went in with the chips. Mr. A is required to keep 20% of the money in the box in case somebody wants or needs to cash in early.
Keep in mind that when you go to banks, you're talking about amounts of money and depositors that make this more a function of mathematics than luck, much like how a casino can predict it's nightly profits to within a few dollars despite having a profit scheme dependent upon small skews in odds for games of chance.
While it might seem precarous, it's actually far better than a no-credit world. Imagine having to pay rent on a house until you could afford to buy it outright - most would never be able to own their own home.
(Incidently, for various reasons, I think an insulin price index would be the best measure, since demand and supply are stable and you can't debase the product in response to inflation, but I can't find one.)
There are many brands and types of Insulin, fast release, slow release, human, synthetic, animal. Heck, they're working on permanent cures for diabetes. So insulin futures could crash in the next 30 years.
As for wage stagnation, I think that it's a side effect of globalization. We were on the high end of wages for over a century. With China and India industrializing, their low wages are pushing down our high wages(outsourcing). Now, we're still doing pretty good(4.5% inflation), but I don't think that we're going to see huge improvements in our effective wages until their wages catch up somewhere near were ours are. This is happening, but it's going to take time. I only hope that technology gains manage to keep up with wage stagnation to the point that we don't backslide(on average) until then.
Uh... it sounds like you're talking about profits. Which at a normal bank would be paid in a dividend to the investors.
Strangely, it comes back to them because that's what you do with money.
If you think that people just borrow money to put it into a bank, you're mistaken. I borrow money, it's for a car, house, whatever. Now yes, fractions of that are likely to end up in banks, but not to the extent you're talking about. In the case of a new home - it goes towards paying for all the building materials and salaries for the construction workers who put it together. Physical goods.
Even if stuff ends up in the bank - remember, they have assets in the form of loans - it's not as secure as cash - but it's pretty good. Otherwise interest rates wouldn't be so low.
Personally, I think that the supercaps would be better suited for hybrids - Generally speaking they don't need much in the way of battery power, a lot of effort has gone into increasing their current capacity - both for charge and discharge.
Fast charge would be a bonus - you want to be able to store as much braking power as possible, and discharge for the accelleration afterwards.
Generally speaking, the wait time from starting the car to getting it in gear would be enough to slap at least a fair amount of charge into the caps for the first accelleration of the day.
Vendors generally don't have the logistics to restock daily. That's just absurd.
I've seen stores that do it. For something like the iPhone, it'd be easy: figure 12x12x6" for the box. Stuff a 3 foot cube full of those boxes(54 phones), mail Fedex/UPS nextday.
If four employees can't get those out to the ~1600 stores I've seen quoted elsewhere, they're doing something wrong. Fedex/UPS will be more than happy to send up the required number of trucks to pick it all up.
Add a fifth employee to keep track how many or how fast stores are selling out and don't send a box to a store that still has them in stock while sending multiple boxes out to the high-traffic stores.
Please note that most of the midwest is listed as 'partner'. IE it's not AT&T towers, might not even be GSM. Take that out and you have a vast gulf for most of the midwest.
Sure, AT&T might have 'most' of the USA covered, but alltel/verizon have much better coverages.
Heck, in my local area my choices are Alltel, Verizon, and SRT(local phone coop). AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile don't even want to talk to me where I'm at.
Even if I wanted an IPhone, I wouldn't be getting one because I wouldn't be able to get service. That alone makes me think that the IPhone will be a relative flop compared to the IPod. They've limited their customer base right off the bat to people AT&T is willing to do business with and who are willing to deal with AT&T.
Uh... I'd tend to say that Kwik-Es has far more in common with 7-11's and other gas station convienence stores than they do with a supersized box store such as walmart. Small, overpriced, with an extremely limited selection of a somewhat wide variety of goods.
Krusty products are availabe in stores other than the Kwik-Es.
You might be able to cut cooling to individual racks by 10-20%, but you're still going to have a massive power converter somewhere that's just as likely to need active cooling, and it's not going to be something you want to expose to the weather.
On the other hand, you probably could engineer it to be happy at higher temperatures and simply use a fan.
It's one of those things that is extremely situational dependent.
Unfortunately, in the USA, power to most commercial/industrial buildings is not available in 240 volts.
Huh, I've seen it available in most buildings I've been in. Even so, as long as it's AC, you can efficiently transform voltages around, even if you need a big transformer in a mechanical room somewhere.
120Volts doesn't come in on it's own set of wires, it's set up as a split phase via grounding from two 240 volt lines.
My general point is that it's more efficient to move high voltage around than low voltage.
As the other poster noted, you'd only need 20k UPS units with 100k blades if you're using small UPS units, not 'building' level ones that sit somewhere else and have whole racks of batteries.
As for the 1.5% efficiency - The larger the UPS, the more efficient the charging system. Still, you can't get away from the fact that you need a float charge for lead-acid batteries, indeed, for most rechargable technologies. Still, the number of batteries needed depend on how many kwh you need to store. For 100k blades, your UPS system isn't going to be meant to last long, only enough time to get the generators spun up and taking the load. Maybe a half hour. You're going to have multiple generators as well, in case one of those fail.
I'd just like to point out that there is a substantial difference between 'up to 30%' as stated in the article and the '30%' quoted by blackjackshellac.
I'm not saying that there isn't potential advantages to this scheme, it's just that I wouldn't automatically assume that 30% can be saved. It all depends upon the situation. For example, if I'm using high-efficiency individual power supplies, I'm likely to save a lot less by changing over.
What do you think that blades generally are? Well, not exactly, they use components that are designed to be used 24x365, faster memory subsystems, multi-processor, etc...
As for replacing machines every year - that's a big false economy. Even cheap power hungry servers cost more than their electrical costs per year*. Then you have all the hardware concerns and swapouts.
Swapping out all your servers in a farm annually would be a good way to get the greens coming down on you.
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To actually be a sociopath, you'd need to not even understand why you'd care about that other guy, nor need to rationalize it to yourself in any form or shape
Please note that my statement didn't say that I'm a sociopath. I was trying to say that I'm a bit closer to them than the average person. I know I'm not a true sociopath. You see, I understand why.
Yes, there are circumstances where I'd do my best to kill another human. In those circumstances, I'll pull the trigger. The only hesitation would be verifying my aim.
I think that it's a matter of I think that human society, as built, depends on trust. I like human society because it's nice. I don't have to break my back to get food on the table, there are cures to various diseases, etc... In return there's an element of trust, a social contract. I get really irritated at those unwilling to live by that contract as it disproportinately drags the rest of us(including me) down.
The problem with that system is that, like geothermal, it depends upon a relativly rare geographical condition: For this sytem, a river mouth with a large amount of tide flow. While there are many such, most are heavily used by ship traffic, which complicates matters.
.012% of France's electricity. It's only 240 megawatts. I'm sorry, but I'd consider anything under 1% as a 'niche' generation system.
As noted in the article, the facility provides
Tidal power systems that can be essentially tossed anywhere there's a tide, even open ocean, are entirely different affairs, somewhat unfortuantly.
ocean going ships undergo an amazing amount of maintenance to keep themselves up - special paint, sacrificial anodes, etc...
Why do you think that an aircraft carrier needs a crew in the thousands? Most of them are maintenance workers.
The required maintenance works for boats, but would be too expensive for the amount of electricity current tide-generation ideas can produce.
Sorry, no link, but I have read in paper literature about groups of male chimpanzees patroling, fighting other groups, performing ambushes. They DO kill the other chimps if they can manage it, and practice cannibalism.
Humans are cooperative creatures, but we DO have our nasty side.
I'm not one of the 3%, but in some ways I'm close.
bomb detonator
I'd swap that out with 'IED', the military uses a whole lot of bombs and other explosive devices as weapons and they're mostly designed to be really easy to defuse.
Even mines, without additional modification/tampering, are straighforward to defuse, if time consuming.
But yes, this course would be of limited use to a terrorist. It's in the usage of commercial explosives(need permit to obtain), commercial detonators(tracked, need permit), involves no training in the concealment of explosives nor smuggling.
Any terrorists would almost be better off with a copy of the anarchist's cookbook or equivalent.
The thing is, nobody knows that. Or rather they didn't, till you opened your big fat mouth.
This is the most popular type of explosive used when making car bombs. They've known it for years. McVeigh used this. It's been on prime time news.
There's more to it than what he said. The details are available in various manuals; both chemical and terrorist.
I've heard that some farmers mix some up themselves to assist with stump removal and such.
There's plenty of swings in markets - For home prices credit availability does have a large effect. Still, market forces to bear - home prices go skyhigh, construction companies and speculators get houses built to take advantage of it, overbuild, causing home prices to fall. Though rarely to the point that they don't make a profit on their buildings, just not quite what they hoped for. Since not so much profit is available, they slow/stop building houses.
Classic economics.
This implies that Mr.A is running a business on the side to generate wealth. Nothing wrong with that (well, as long as he lets everyone know that they cannot get their money on demand if they all do it at once).
He isn't running the business; Mr. A is lending the money to the bartender to buy the stuff, because for some reason the bartender's broke and can't afford to stock for the night.
The feds control the printing presses; they can guarentee the money to the banks. It's essentially a big insurance program. By assuring people that they can get their money out*, you actually reduce the chance of a run on the banks.
What it does is like what I described - it creates more chips than it has dollars and gives these new chips to its friends. There is no investing and wealth generation going on here.
Actually, yes there is. It enables business startups, normal people to buy large cost goods that enable them to make more money(car, for example**). It allows a great number of things.
*Unless they have huge amounts of it in there.
**Yes, I know about mass transit and all that.
The thing is that current hybrid batteries are as large as they are more for current capacity than energy storage. But then, as all their power comes from the ICE, they don't need any more capacity than what's needed for 'acceptible' starts and storage of stopping energy.
When you go to pluggable hybrids or outright electrics, your battery bank becomes defined by energy needs - not current capacity. A battery pack with enough energy to get you even 50 miles is going to have plenty of current capacity for the current requirements for charge/discharge for your stopping/starting. If you start looking at a LiIon based storage system for a 300mile range car, you're talking about even a screeching stop not being able to strain the charging capacity of the batteries.
At which point you wouldn't want the capaciters anyways, as their energy storage ability is poor in comparison to batteries by weight and volume. You might have some as part of a power regulation system, of course, but they wouldn't be considered part of a vehicle's 'fuel tank'.
It's called collateral. You don't pay me back, I take your house/car/wife/whatever you put down as collateral on the loan.
Collateral often doesn't cut it. That's the major reason why people with poor credit scores end up paying more interest than people with good scores, even with secured loans such as for cars and houses.
As for interest free loans - how to you make sure people only get them as necessary? We have enough people going hog-wild with 20+% interest loans.
Fact is, as long as we have inflation it would be in my best interest in such an enviroment to borrow as much money as possible under your scheme(government provided 0% interest loans), and pay it back as slowly as possible. Money represents goods and resources, the only way to cover said regime would be massive amounts of inflation - which would only drive more loans.
If you think that the government could responsibly handle this - you have more faith in it than I do.
Yes, crazy financing has certainly had a hand in it. Still, look at the response - home building went on a huge boom as well. Now the crazy financing isn't quite as available, many new homes have been built, and prices are coming down a bit.
Still, I tend to value a home like a car - it's only worth what it would cost to build a replacement, with modifiers for the fact that a new replacement home will, on average, be nicer and safer(built to newer codes). In order to maintain value it needs to be kept up. Antique homes - like antique cars, will have additional value based on their historical value. It all ends up being very complicated.
What significantly increases in value is the land the home is on - and don't forget things like utility hookups, impact fees, etc... The population of the USA is increasing and urbanizing - a home on cheap land that was originally out on the edge of town can now be effectivly in the center of a major city. It seems that everybody* wants to live in California or Florida, in/near a major city. No wonder prices spike there! Demand far outstrips supply, especially when cities dig in their heels and restrict homebuilding. This creates bidding wars, which guarentees pain on the part of buyers - as only the richest/most willing to accept pain win.
As real estate agents say - location, location, location. There are areas where an extra 15 minutes of commute can literally halve the price of equivalent housing.
*Yes, I know, exceptions...
A house still involves a substantial amount of labor and resources. Without the ability to get high enough prices for a home, you're not going to see anywhere as many being built, nor as large or good of quality*.
What happens then? People with capital build the homes and everybody poor rents from the rich, because they can't afford to buy. Yay.
*Yes, I know about sucky poorly built McMansions
Question, how are you going to convince me to lend you money, delaying my own gratification, without any pay for it? Worse yet, the chance that you'll default on the payments, leaving me without my money?
Interest is the whole reason why people lend money in the first place.
Wrong analogy, I'd think. It'd be like Mr. A taking a portion of the money in the box and using it to supply the bar. The bar is supposed to pay Mr. A back(it's not a free bar) at the end of the night, more money than what went in with the chips. Mr. A is required to keep 20% of the money in the box in case somebody wants or needs to cash in early.
Keep in mind that when you go to banks, you're talking about amounts of money and depositors that make this more a function of mathematics than luck, much like how a casino can predict it's nightly profits to within a few dollars despite having a profit scheme dependent upon small skews in odds for games of chance.
While it might seem precarous, it's actually far better than a no-credit world. Imagine having to pay rent on a house until you could afford to buy it outright - most would never be able to own their own home.
(Incidently, for various reasons, I think an insulin price index would be the best measure, since demand and supply are stable and you can't debase the product in response to inflation, but I can't find one.)
There are many brands and types of Insulin, fast release, slow release, human, synthetic, animal. Heck, they're working on permanent cures for diabetes. So insulin futures could crash in the next 30 years.
As for wage stagnation, I think that it's a side effect of globalization. We were on the high end of wages for over a century. With China and India industrializing, their low wages are pushing down our high wages(outsourcing). Now, we're still doing pretty good(4.5% inflation), but I don't think that we're going to see huge improvements in our effective wages until their wages catch up somewhere near were ours are. This is happening, but it's going to take time. I only hope that technology gains manage to keep up with wage stagnation to the point that we don't backslide(on average) until then.
Uh... it sounds like you're talking about profits. Which at a normal bank would be paid in a dividend to the investors.
Strangely, it comes back to them because that's what you do with money.
If you think that people just borrow money to put it into a bank, you're mistaken. I borrow money, it's for a car, house, whatever. Now yes, fractions of that are likely to end up in banks, but not to the extent you're talking about. In the case of a new home - it goes towards paying for all the building materials and salaries for the construction workers who put it together. Physical goods.
Even if stuff ends up in the bank - remember, they have assets in the form of loans - it's not as secure as cash - but it's pretty good. Otherwise interest rates wouldn't be so low.
But that's the FUN way to do it!!! ;)
Personally, I think that the supercaps would be better suited for hybrids - Generally speaking they don't need much in the way of battery power, a lot of effort has gone into increasing their current capacity - both for charge and discharge.
Fast charge would be a bonus - you want to be able to store as much braking power as possible, and discharge for the accelleration afterwards.
Generally speaking, the wait time from starting the car to getting it in gear would be enough to slap at least a fair amount of charge into the caps for the first accelleration of the day.
Vendors generally don't have the logistics to restock daily. That's just absurd.
I've seen stores that do it. For something like the iPhone, it'd be easy: figure 12x12x6" for the box. Stuff a 3 foot cube full of those boxes(54 phones), mail Fedex/UPS nextday.
If four employees can't get those out to the ~1600 stores I've seen quoted elsewhere, they're doing something wrong. Fedex/UPS will be more than happy to send up the required number of trucks to pick it all up.
Add a fifth employee to keep track how many or how fast stores are selling out and don't send a box to a store that still has them in stock while sending multiple boxes out to the high-traffic stores.
Please note that most of the midwest is listed as 'partner'. IE it's not AT&T towers, might not even be GSM. Take that out and you have a vast gulf for most of the midwest.
Here's Alltel's plan. I'd argue it has MUCH better coverage.
Sure, AT&T might have 'most' of the USA covered, but alltel/verizon have much better coverages.
Heck, in my local area my choices are Alltel, Verizon, and SRT(local phone coop). AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile don't even want to talk to me where I'm at.
Even if I wanted an IPhone, I wouldn't be getting one because I wouldn't be able to get service. That alone makes me think that the IPhone will be a relative flop compared to the IPod. They've limited their customer base right off the bat to people AT&T is willing to do business with and who are willing to deal with AT&T.
Uh... I'd tend to say that Kwik-Es has far more in common with 7-11's and other gas station convienence stores than they do with a supersized box store such as walmart. Small, overpriced, with an extremely limited selection of a somewhat wide variety of goods.
Krusty products are availabe in stores other than the Kwik-Es.
You might be able to cut cooling to individual racks by 10-20%, but you're still going to have a massive power converter somewhere that's just as likely to need active cooling, and it's not going to be something you want to expose to the weather.
On the other hand, you probably could engineer it to be happy at higher temperatures and simply use a fan.
It's one of those things that is extremely situational dependent.
Unfortunately, in the USA, power to most commercial/industrial buildings is not available in 240 volts.
Huh, I've seen it available in most buildings I've been in. Even so, as long as it's AC, you can efficiently transform voltages around, even if you need a big transformer in a mechanical room somewhere.
120Volts doesn't come in on it's own set of wires, it's set up as a split phase via grounding from two 240 volt lines.
My general point is that it's more efficient to move high voltage around than low voltage.
As the other poster noted, you'd only need 20k UPS units with 100k blades if you're using small UPS units, not 'building' level ones that sit somewhere else and have whole racks of batteries.
As for the 1.5% efficiency - The larger the UPS, the more efficient the charging system. Still, you can't get away from the fact that you need a float charge for lead-acid batteries, indeed, for most rechargable technologies. Still, the number of batteries needed depend on how many kwh you need to store. For 100k blades, your UPS system isn't going to be meant to last long, only enough time to get the generators spun up and taking the load. Maybe a half hour. You're going to have multiple generators as well, in case one of those fail.
I'd just like to point out that there is a substantial difference between 'up to 30%' as stated in the article and the '30%' quoted by blackjackshellac.
I'm not saying that there isn't potential advantages to this scheme, it's just that I wouldn't automatically assume that 30% can be saved. It all depends upon the situation. For example, if I'm using high-efficiency individual power supplies, I'm likely to save a lot less by changing over.
What do you think that blades generally are? Well, not exactly, they use components that are designed to be used 24x365, faster memory subsystems, multi-processor, etc...
As for replacing machines every year - that's a big false economy. Even cheap power hungry servers cost more than their electrical costs per year*. Then you have all the hardware concerns and swapouts.
Swapping out all your servers in a farm annually would be a good way to get the greens coming down on you.
*Assuming sane prices per kwh, of course.