0. Why post as an AC?:P 1. We're going to argue about DOS? Is anyone actually using DOS as a full time operating system? Have they in the last 10 years? No. Get over it. Windows doesn't even use DOS any more:) 2. People cared about Widgets sets? I choose a program to run on it's features, usability and style. Most MS products lack all three. I'm not defending their software or saying I use it, just their right to make it as they see fit. Besides since they make both the software AND OS, yeah I would pretty much expect they would throw in a few nifties for themselves. I never really understood why that was such a big deal. 3. Eh? Not much experience with that, but see the tail end of #2. 4. Yeah, that was pretty crappy. But NS also shot themselves in the foot there too. NS 4 was ugly, and persisted waaay too long until NS 6 (what happened to 5?!?).. NS 6 sucked down resources and was (for me) slower than IE, not to mention by then most major web designers stop building pages/fixes for it and just used IE's nasty hacks, which meant they looked like crap/didn't function in N.S. -- That last one wasn't really NS's fault, but they were nearly dead at that point anyway. 5. WGA, sucks that they don't want people stealing their software, oh wait, no it doesn't. It DOES suck that it kills wine, but then again if you need that proggie run/dual boot Windows. If possible, pick up a freeware/OOS alternative.
Does this mean that in a few years we will have to switch to Games 2, and then Games 3 to actually hear music? But won't that be a stop-gap measure because it won't take long after that for them to stop playing "real" music anyway.
And it is insightful wisdoms like this that show why the internet couldn't possibly govern itself. It'd be pretty hard to get anything done with half of it's denizens screaming "teh fags!" and "joo sux0rs!"
Eh, even if they are I don't think it's a huge issue. Why shouldn't they trust their *own* software (I'm not saying WE should trust it, but that they should --obviously-- trust themselves). It's far easier to secure access to those API's while allowing your own software (and NO others) to use them. Allowing Symantec et al. access makes it less secure and more likely a virus will come along and exploit that.
Besides as I've said, AV software was built on the dubious market of scar-tatics and an insecure OS. Secure the OS and their scare tatics stop being effective. Sucks for them, but would anyone in (insert third-world country) complain if they no longer had to purify their water supply because it was done successfully by the government. Would we cry unfair for the iodine tablet industry?
And in a related story, no one calls for ANY console to be able to play Wii games. Especially since most of them will be the same ones you could buy for every other Nintendo console, albeit with a shiny new controller.
But what is their motivation for steps 1-4. Sure it could be profit, but why wouldn't they rather destroy AV providers business, and they buy out what remains of them to get superior technology:)
M.S. Has no reason to want an insecure OS. They just never had enough motivation to fix it. I can see their point. When someone installs one of the few (what one or two, maybe) Mac virii in the world they're called an idiot for doing it, why because they HAD to go through several steps to do it. Many Windows virii aren't much easier to install, why bust your ass to protect the world against idiots, they'll always make a better idiot. As long as your OS is patched and you don't install crap from dubious sources it's not all that easy to get an infected computer. I didn't use AV or a non-I.E. browser for YEARS and never had any problems, all I had was a *software* firewall. No one can make an OS idiot proof. All they can do is lock out idiots via complexity (ahh Linux).
MS is finally attempting to implement real security and everyone who bitched about their insecure OS is bitching about them securing it.
I don't know a lot about how AV software integrates with Windows, but presumably MS is protecting core files from being modified by malicious programs. But AV makers want their software to be able to modify them to allow their software to function better. Awww shucks. If MS allows that then it would be far easier for a virus to do it too. I don't see it as anti-competitive for them to only trust their own software to muck about with system files. They know who is coding the software that -they- make. Unfair, sure slightly, but there is always Linux if you don't like it:)
This is/. how can you say they are a monopoly when there are other fine choices such as Linux, BSD, and *DOS (aside from MS-DOS)
You aren't required to use their OS. It's true it comes pre-installed on 99% of PC's (It doesn't come installed on the Mac!) but for that you have to blame the manufactures. 95% of their customers WANT windows, why wouldn't they pre-install it. True most people want windows because they haven't seen anything better, but again this is hardly the fault of Microsoft any more. They were much more of a monopoly back in the day when they did everything they could to keep out competition, now it's simply that no one outside of OSS has the balls to compete with them on the OS level. Hell Apple has a far superior, commercially viable OS that we all know can now run on the PC (I have a PC running it for fun) all it needs is better driver support, but they aren't interested in doing it. I suspect the MacOS market, properly managed could be huge, but it would near-completely distroy their hardware market.
This isn't like the *bell phone company of old that owned all the lines, including the ones you installed in your own home and paid for, charged you to hook up a phone IN your own home to your OWN lines, and would come in with guns and dogs if they thought you had an unauthorized phone installed (ok so maybe that is a little exaggerated..) You can still install whatever OS you want on your own PC, and besides why should linux fans care about AV software providers anyway, you guys don't need it, neither do the Mac's really. (I know there are few Mac virii in the wild, shut up, you'd have to be a complete idiot to get infected by one)
Is there anyone else who thinks it's a little unfair for Microsoft to criticized for cutting out Symantec, etc. They've been railed for years on their complete lack of security focus, probably nowhere more than here. They're finally attempting to fill that need (admittedly in microsoft fashion), and now it's unfair to AV software makers? C'mon Symantec and others built their business around securing an insecure OS, it's not the OS's fault for finally working to secure itself. Sure MS could open up more of their code to allow AV software to get around their own security and AV solutions, but why should they.
I guess I don't understand why it's MS's job to make it easier for other software makers. If they want to market their software they should employ some programmers who are smart enough to code around MS. As long as MS isn't actively disabling competitors software I don't see why this is their fault..
We wanted them to be more secure in the first place!!!
And just so no one thinks I'm a fanboy, I'm typing this from a Mac:) -- I'm just against BS in general and against bitching at Microsoft just because it's Microsoft..
I'd have plenty of experience throwing old school Nintendo controllers, Sega Genesis controllers, and on up the list... I do have to agree the Original Sega controllers were very very sturdy. I actually broke a Sega throwing the controller at it.. Of course the controller worked just fine on my *new* Sega.. (insert capitalist tinfoil "theories" here...)
Yes, I for one would want that. Have you ever been falsely accused? No? Well it sucks. And secondly your analogy is horribly flawed; if there were only 100 people on an island, the odds of their being 10 psychopathic murders are very slim. Not to mention it probably wouldn't be that hard to figure out who they were:)
I'm sure you are just playing devil's advocate, but next time do it with better numbers kay? Thanks for playing.
Perhaps, the 360 and PC get more posts because they actually exist in the hands of consumers. I'm sure the upcoming console from (insert favorite console mfg. here) will get more play when people actually are actually holding one in their disfigured-from-years-of-controler-gameplay hands.
On an unrelated note, what in (deity of choice)'s name is a FUD?
I think that must already be implemented because I already see that behavior on all sorts of drivers every day.. And here I thought they were just idiots!
A married man has two kids. His wife stays home to take care of them. Working 40 hours a week, for minimum wage ($5.15) earns him $10,712 before the government takes it's cut. That leaves him $7,532 below the poverty line in america. He takes a night job, 30 more hours a week, earning him an additional $8,034. Putting him just $502 above the poverty line. Of course, all that money is before taxes. Why should a schooled man, a college educated man, put himself through 70 hours of work a week, just to be slightly above poverty.
Of course any company wants to save money, but they should not justify that by saying Americans should work for less money, that is bullsh!t.
No matter WHAT transpired, it is NOT any of our business what happened with their tech. Whether they're all sexiest bastards, or she's a flaming idiot, they have obligations as an employer not to discuss things of that nature. No one here has "a right to know," period.
Just because it's a popular website doesn't remove it from certain rules that all businesses have to follow; Employee/Employer relations are private, and they are to remain that way. The post about her was probably pulled down after it was posted because it was done in the heat of the moment; as well it should have been. We all have moments of anger, frustration, or just stupidity. But then we regroup, gather up our senses, fix what we can and move on. If she feels she was unfairly fired or treated, she can file a lawsuit. If they feel they didn't receive the services they should have, the can do the same (if she was a contractor..). Either way, it's not our concern.
So why don't y'all calm the fsck down, and back the fsck off, because none of our fscking business.
Oh, IANAL, so I don't wanna hear any crap about who can sue who, that's what I believe is true, I may be wrong. The only person I want to hear tell me I am wrong is a lawyer, if you don't fit that bill, I don't want to hear it.
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But.. Taken from the supposed write-up of the charecters...
"...who's the highest ranking officer in Starfleet. "
So obviously starfleet, and therefore the federation have been established...
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Ok:
:P :)
0. Why post as an AC?
1. We're going to argue about DOS? Is anyone actually using DOS as a full time operating system? Have they in the last 10 years? No. Get over it. Windows doesn't even use DOS any more
2. People cared about Widgets sets? I choose a program to run on it's features, usability and style. Most MS products lack all three. I'm not defending their software or saying I use it, just their right to make it as they see fit. Besides since they make both the software AND OS, yeah I would pretty much expect they would throw in a few nifties for themselves. I never really understood why that was such a big deal.
3. Eh? Not much experience with that, but see the tail end of #2.
4. Yeah, that was pretty crappy. But NS also shot themselves in the foot there too. NS 4 was ugly, and persisted waaay too long until NS 6 (what happened to 5?!?).. NS 6 sucked down resources and was (for me) slower than IE, not to mention by then most major web designers stop building pages/fixes for it and just used IE's nasty hacks, which meant they looked like crap/didn't function in N.S. -- That last one wasn't really NS's fault, but they were nearly dead at that point anyway.
5. WGA, sucks that they don't want people stealing their software, oh wait, no it doesn't. It DOES suck that it kills wine, but then again if you need that proggie run/dual boot Windows. If possible, pick up a freeware/OOS alternative.
Yes but while lower UID's are apparently godly on Slashdot, aren't higher primes actually more rare :)
:)
I know i know:
--(joke)--
--head--
Does this mean that in a few years we will have to switch to Games 2, and then Games 3 to actually hear music? But won't that be a stop-gap measure because it won't take long after that for them to stop playing "real" music anyway.
And it is insightful wisdoms like this that show why the internet couldn't possibly govern itself. It'd be pretty hard to get anything done with half of it's denizens screaming "teh fags!" and "joo sux0rs!"
:)
n00bs
Eh, even if they are I don't think it's a huge issue. Why shouldn't they trust their *own* software (I'm not saying WE should trust it, but that they should --obviously-- trust themselves). It's far easier to secure access to those API's while allowing your own software (and NO others) to use them. Allowing Symantec et al. access makes it less secure and more likely a virus will come along and exploit that.
Besides as I've said, AV software was built on the dubious market of scar-tatics and an insecure OS. Secure the OS and their scare tatics stop being effective. Sucks for them, but would anyone in (insert third-world country) complain if they no longer had to purify their water supply because it was done successfully by the government. Would we cry unfair for the iodine tablet industry?
And in a related story, no one calls for ANY console to be able to play Wii games. Especially since most of them will be the same ones you could buy for every other Nintendo console, albeit with a shiny new controller.
But what is their motivation for steps 1-4. Sure it could be profit, but why wouldn't they rather destroy AV providers business, and they buy out what remains of them to get superior technology :)
:)
M.S. Has no reason to want an insecure OS. They just never had enough motivation to fix it. I can see their point. When someone installs one of the few (what one or two, maybe) Mac virii in the world they're called an idiot for doing it, why because they HAD to go through several steps to do it. Many Windows virii aren't much easier to install, why bust your ass to protect the world against idiots, they'll always make a better idiot. As long as your OS is patched and you don't install crap from dubious sources it's not all that easy to get an infected computer. I didn't use AV or a non-I.E. browser for YEARS and never had any problems, all I had was a *software* firewall. No one can make an OS idiot proof. All they can do is lock out idiots via complexity (ahh Linux).
MS is finally attempting to implement real security and everyone who bitched about their insecure OS is bitching about them securing it.
I don't know a lot about how AV software integrates with Windows, but presumably MS is protecting core files from being modified by malicious programs. But AV makers want their software to be able to modify them to allow their software to function better. Awww shucks. If MS allows that then it would be far easier for a virus to do it too. I don't see it as anti-competitive for them to only trust their own software to muck about with system files. They know who is coding the software that -they- make. Unfair, sure slightly, but there is always Linux if you don't like it
This is /. how can you say they are a monopoly when there are other fine choices such as Linux, BSD, and *DOS (aside from MS-DOS)
You aren't required to use their OS. It's true it comes pre-installed on 99% of PC's (It doesn't come installed on the Mac!) but for that you have to blame the manufactures. 95% of their customers WANT windows, why wouldn't they pre-install it. True most people want windows because they haven't seen anything better, but again this is hardly the fault of Microsoft any more. They were much more of a monopoly back in the day when they did everything they could to keep out competition, now it's simply that no one outside of OSS has the balls to compete with them on the OS level. Hell Apple has a far superior, commercially viable OS that we all know can now run on the PC (I have a PC running it for fun) all it needs is better driver support, but they aren't interested in doing it. I suspect the MacOS market, properly managed could be huge, but it would near-completely distroy their hardware market.
This isn't like the *bell phone company of old that owned all the lines, including the ones you installed in your own home and paid for, charged you to hook up a phone IN your own home to your OWN lines, and would come in with guns and dogs if they thought you had an unauthorized phone installed (ok so maybe that is a little exaggerated..) You can still install whatever OS you want on your own PC, and besides why should linux fans care about AV software providers anyway, you guys don't need it, neither do the Mac's really. (I know there are few Mac virii in the wild, shut up, you'd have to be a complete idiot to get infected by one)
Is there anyone else who thinks it's a little unfair for Microsoft to criticized for cutting out Symantec, etc. They've been railed for years on their complete lack of security focus, probably nowhere more than here. They're finally attempting to fill that need (admittedly in microsoft fashion), and now it's unfair to AV software makers? C'mon Symantec and others built their business around securing an insecure OS, it's not the OS's fault for finally working to secure itself. Sure MS could open up more of their code to allow AV software to get around their own security and AV solutions, but why should they.
:) -- I'm just against BS in general and against bitching at Microsoft just because it's Microsoft..
I guess I don't understand why it's MS's job to make it easier for other software makers. If they want to market their software they should employ some programmers who are smart enough to code around MS. As long as MS isn't actively disabling competitors software I don't see why this is their fault..
We wanted them to be more secure in the first place!!!
And just so no one thinks I'm a fanboy, I'm typing this from a Mac
I'd have plenty of experience throwing old school Nintendo controllers, Sega Genesis controllers, and on up the list... I do have to agree the Original Sega controllers were very very sturdy. I actually broke a Sega throwing the controller at it.. Of course the controller worked just fine on my *new* Sega.. (insert capitalist tinfoil "theories" here...)
You are goddamned right!
Amen man. Amen.
Yes, I for one would want that. Have you ever been falsely accused? No? Well it sucks. And secondly your analogy is horribly flawed; if there were only 100 people on an island, the odds of their being 10 psychopathic murders are very slim. Not to mention it probably wouldn't be that hard to figure out who they were :)
I'm sure you are just playing devil's advocate, but next time do it with better numbers kay? Thanks for playing.
Gah! Sorry about that (now that I'm days too late) always keep drunk people off your computers.
you guys are gay.
Perhaps, the 360 and PC get more posts because they actually exist in the hands of consumers. I'm sure the upcoming console from (insert favorite console mfg. here) will get more play when people actually are actually holding one in their disfigured-from-years-of-controler-gameplay hands.
On an unrelated note, what in (deity of choice)'s name is a FUD?
Yeah yeah.. I meant lil' hot wheels car though.. It would be pretty interesting to see a .5 cc engine.
Great! Another month of my life wasted in front of the TV.
I don't think that the code name Longhorn is fooling people any longer.
Reinventing Hot Wheels(tm):
....
1: Buy a petrol company.
2: Invent Hot Wheels(tm) that run on tiny gasoline engines...
3:
4: PROFIT!!!
wait.. That one might actually work.. I guess it can't be a true 'PROFIT!!!' joke..
I think that must already be implemented because I already see that behavior on all sorts of drivers every day.. And here I thought they were just idiots!
A married man has two kids. His wife stays home to take care of them. Working 40 hours a week, for minimum wage ($5.15) earns him $10,712 before the government takes it's cut. That leaves him $7,532 below the poverty line in america. He takes a night job, 30 more hours a week, earning him an additional $8,034. Putting him just $502 above the poverty line. Of course, all that money is before taxes. Why should a schooled man, a college educated man, put himself through 70 hours of work a week, just to be slightly above poverty.
Of course any company wants to save money, but they should not justify that by saying Americans should work for less money, that is bullsh!t.
If BSD is now Rich AND Dying,
Where is Anna Nichole ???????
=)
No matter WHAT transpired, it is NOT any of our business what happened with their tech. Whether they're all sexiest bastards, or she's a flaming idiot, they have obligations as an employer not to discuss things of that nature. No one here has "a right to know," period.
Just because it's a popular website doesn't remove it from certain rules that all businesses have to follow; Employee/Employer relations are private, and they are to remain that way. The post about her was probably pulled down after it was posted because it was done in the heat of the moment; as well it should have been. We all have moments of anger, frustration, or just stupidity. But then we regroup, gather up our senses, fix what we can and move on. If she feels she was unfairly fired or treated, she can file a lawsuit. If they feel they didn't receive the services they should have, the can do the same (if she was a contractor..). Either way, it's not our concern.
So why don't y'all calm the fsck down, and back the fsck off, because none of our fscking business.
Oh, IANAL, so I don't wanna hear any crap about who can sue who, that's what I believe is true, I may be wrong. The only person I want to hear tell me I am wrong is a lawyer, if you don't fit that bill, I don't want to hear it.
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NT means NO TEXT!
I Haven't Lost My Mind -- It's Backed Up On Disk Somewhere
But.. Taken from the supposed write-up of the charecters... "...who's the highest ranking officer in Starfleet. " So obviously starfleet, and therefore the federation have been established...
I Haven't Lost My Mind -- It's Backed Up On Disk Somewhere