Ahadeeth is by definition the work of man, regardless how well respected the scholars were that did the investigations into the life of the prophet.
Their work is (potentially) valuable but should contrary to the Quran never be considered infallible.
Mohammed made it quite clear the Quran was not his message, he was just the chosen messenger.
Others than Mohammed should be even more reluctant to lay claim to The Truth and maybe limit themselves to get their own lives in order and thus lead by example.
I really appreciate your thoughtful explanation.
For the reference, this comes from book number 2 and book number 3 in Islam: Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. This quote shows where the weakness in your story is, there is only one word of Allah, the Quran.
The books you mention have their value but are -only- the word of man.
And they go beyond simple or even sophisticated interpretation of God's word, they try to set their own 'laws', laws that are very much based on a particular tribal tradition and as such should be rejected.
As a matter of fact, all reading of a book, including the Quran, will by definition result in interpretation by man.
Even when many men come to a similar conclusion it is still the conclusion of man and should be treated as such.
I therefore have a strong dislike of people and religions that try to impose their (fallible) interpretation of truth(s) on others.
This does not mean I'm against even rigorous studying of religious scriptures but I can only accept the results as a covenant between the individual and his deity, the outcome should never be imposed on others.
In this particular case I can not possible see the publishing of pictures of the Prophet by Wikipedia to be in any way imposed on Muslims or any one else, you don't have to look at it, even Ibn Abbas will have to agree it wasn't the casual Muslim visitor who made the depictions.
you are so eager to condemn Islam based on the actions of a few extremists who are generally agreed to ignoring the basic tenets of their own religion to bring about their own political goals. I have no problem with Islam as a religion.
And I understand very well that the excesses that are committed in the name of that religion are by a few wayward followers.
But I have great problems with a majority of Moslims that shut up and thus seem to agree with what these criminals are doing to the innocent and even their own religion.
Until the masses of Moslims stand up against terrorism committed in their name they have no reason to complain about being singled out, this is not discrimination by 'The West' but a self inflicted situation.
I was in lower Manhattan on Sept. 11th and I felt far less threat to my freedom on that day than I do since the creation of DHS. I think I see a nice signature!
What will gas station attendants do when this replaces them? They'll probably go over to some productive job, just like the many farm hands that were replaced by the successful milk robots build in the same town.
But then again, in this part of the world the last attendant that filled cars left several years ago.
In Italy it is still very common to have an attendant fill your car, it's an employment/ union thing.
In Northern Europe it's indeed a potential attraction for the many totally unmanned stations, especially when the weather is as windy as it is in Emmeloord where this thing was build.
I see several jokes about cheap engineers or bad education, the scariest example of the latter is probably the statement in the summary about 'both sides of the Atlantic'.
It really makes me wonder where India borders the Atlantic...
A likely indication the summary was done with some US-style geography classes:)
I'm not sure whether this is a good or a dumb question you're asking.
Possibly a good question in the sense you might be genuinely wondering if this sort of thought has any followers in Europe like in America.
Or maybe a dumb question by even suggesting creationism could at all exist in Europe as opposed to America where it seems to thrive.
As a European that travels a lot I can tell you with some confidence that creationism is as good as non-existent in Europe and when it's mentioned it is generally met with an 'only in America' disdain.
Of course also in Europe there are (fundamental religious) groups who see their holy scripture as a mathematical fact book but they have no political or social credibility of any sort.
Quite the contrary, the vast majority of Europeans sees them at best as weird and more likely as idiots.
The last classification can easily befall the USofA due to the apparent seriousness with which this silly debate is approached.
Put very simply though, that still means basically nothing. I have not, and I'd venture to guess the average Joe, has not benefited directly from Hubble.
You just said it, this stuff is not for the average Joe that you apparently identify with.
This stuff called science is done by very special Joe's, usually the best of the crop but never average.
And the results are there for all people even though they might only be appreciated by those who had more than average education.
That's the curse of fundamental science, so few (including GWB) understand the awesome impact it has.
Astronomy is very close to fundamental science.
There's hardly anything more important to help build the future of our over populated planet than fundamental science.
Hubble type astronomy and the space hi-tech that it needs has through the last 50 years been what has driven progress.
Of course you could argue it was the military that drove this hi-tech development, in that case giving up this Hubble restoration would pay for at least an other day of Iraq.
Whatever you feel gives the better payback...
"We've got to figure out a friendly way to do it, there's no doubt about it," he said. About what is there no doubt, a way to do 'it', is that the method of censoring or the 'friendly way' to tell the customer to FO?
The answer would show where the unbearable pressure is coming from that makes AT&T and it's ilk feel this 'need'.
According to international treaties mail is protected against certain invasions of privacy.
OK it is a huge leap to claim this protection in the present USofA.
Yet in this particular instance no country would allow you to keep the envelope unopened as you are not the postal services.
Easy.
Hmm, it is mainly the UK that in majority watches TV via satellite (Sky), in the rest of Europe cable is the leading TV distributer.
DVB-T is especially used by the public (non-commercial) stations and can be had nearly everywhere.
DVB-C is as far as I know not mandated but many cable companies use it.
There is a standard for digital video broadcasting, which is unsurprisingly called DVB and has three subsections for terrestrial, cable and satellite transmission: DVB-T, DVB-C and DVB-S. The standard includes modular encryption, but unfortunately it is Not Invented Here, so it can't be used. You missed one; DVB-M for mobile devices.
I'm a bit confused by your question in the light of your/. ID.
You ought to be old enough to have read previous discussions about HDMI and DRM and not too old like from the era of valve amplifiers.
One thing is for certain: any system is better than the West's out-dated plurality voting system. Among all the pluralities listed they missed the only one that ultimately counts; only the 2 Americans (USA) have nuclear weapons.
Very insightful!
This is a significant difference in pick up.
This gives me together with the one about no advertising for desktop Linux and my personal satisfaction with the present distro's some belief in the future success for the OS.
Slashdot Mirror
Nothing stops you from using version 4.3. Even when you think you need a GUI, there are several available.
In the mean time I'm quite happy with the new 5.0.
Yeah but it doesn't handle dual booting too well...
;)
I'm sorry to see you fell in the trap.
Ahadeeth is by definition the work of man, regardless how well respected the scholars were that did the investigations into the life of the prophet.
Their work is (potentially) valuable but should contrary to the Quran never be considered infallible.
Mohammed made it quite clear the Quran was not his message, he was just the chosen messenger. Others than Mohammed should be even more reluctant to lay claim to The Truth and maybe limit themselves to get their own lives in order and thus lead by example.
For the reference, this comes from book number 2 and book number 3 in Islam: Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.
This quote shows where the weakness in your story is, there is only one word of Allah, the Quran. The books you mention have their value but are -only- the word of man.
And they go beyond simple or even sophisticated interpretation of God's word, they try to set their own 'laws', laws that are very much based on a particular tribal tradition and as such should be rejected.
As a matter of fact, all reading of a book, including the Quran, will by definition result in interpretation by man.
Even when many men come to a similar conclusion it is still the conclusion of man and should be treated as such.
I therefore have a strong dislike of people and religions that try to impose their (fallible) interpretation of truth(s) on others.
This does not mean I'm against even rigorous studying of religious scriptures but I can only accept the results as a covenant between the individual and his deity, the outcome should never be imposed on others.
In this particular case I can not possible see the publishing of pictures of the Prophet by Wikipedia to be in any way imposed on Muslims or any one else, you don't have to look at it, even Ibn Abbas will have to agree it wasn't the casual Muslim visitor who made the depictions.
And I understand very well that the excesses that are committed in the name of that religion are by a few wayward followers.
But I have great problems with a majority of Moslims that shut up and thus seem to agree with what these criminals are doing to the innocent and even their own religion.
Until the masses of Moslims stand up against terrorism committed in their name they have no reason to complain about being singled out, this is not discrimination by 'The West' but a self inflicted situation.
But then again, in this part of the world the last attendant that filled cars left several years ago.
In Italy it is still very common to have an attendant fill your car, it's an employment/ union thing.
In Northern Europe it's indeed a potential attraction for the many totally unmanned stations, especially when the weather is as windy as it is in Emmeloord where this thing was build.
I see several jokes about cheap engineers or bad education, the scariest example of the latter is probably the statement in the summary about 'both sides of the Atlantic'.
:)
It really makes me wonder where India borders the Atlantic...
A likely indication the summary was done with some US-style geography classes
In Germany Neo Nazi's don't need to register,
They get registered.
It's not measured but calculated from the amount of ice that melts and ends up in the oceans.
I'm not sure whether this is a good or a dumb question you're asking.
Possibly a good question in the sense you might be genuinely wondering if this sort of thought has any followers in Europe like in America.
Or maybe a dumb question by even suggesting creationism could at all exist in Europe as opposed to America where it seems to thrive.
As a European that travels a lot I can tell you with some confidence that creationism is as good as non-existent in Europe and when it's mentioned it is generally met with an 'only in America' disdain.
Of course also in Europe there are (fundamental religious) groups who see their holy scripture as a mathematical fact book but they have no political or social credibility of any sort. Quite the contrary, the vast majority of Europeans sees them at best as weird and more likely as idiots.
The last classification can easily befall the USofA due to the apparent seriousness with which this silly debate is approached.
Put very simply though, that still means basically nothing. I have not, and I'd venture to guess the average Joe, has not benefited directly from Hubble.
You just said it, this stuff is not for the average Joe that you apparently identify with.This stuff called science is done by very special Joe's, usually the best of the crop but never average.
And the results are there for all people even though they might only be appreciated by those who had more than average education.
That's the curse of fundamental science, so few (including GWB) understand the awesome impact it has.
Astronomy is very close to fundamental science.
There's hardly anything more important to help build the future of our over populated planet than fundamental science.
Hubble type astronomy and the space hi-tech that it needs has through the last 50 years been what has driven progress.
Of course you could argue it was the military that drove this hi-tech development, in that case giving up this Hubble restoration would pay for at least an other day of Iraq.
Whatever you feel gives the better payback...
The answer would show where the unbearable pressure is coming from that makes AT&T and it's ilk feel this 'need'.
Censorship whichever way.
According to international treaties mail is protected against certain invasions of privacy.
OK it is a huge leap to claim this protection in the present USofA.
Yet in this particular instance no country would allow you to keep the envelope unopened as you are not the postal services.
Easy.
Slashdot is not necessarily Linux friendly, it is more like acutely aware of superior technology. ;)
You know, Stuff that Matters
Yes I run Linux (Kubuntu).
Hmm, it is mainly the UK that in majority watches TV via satellite (Sky), in the rest of Europe cable is the leading TV distributer.
DVB-T is especially used by the public (non-commercial) stations and can be had nearly everywhere.
DVB-C is as far as I know not mandated but many cable companies use it.
I'm a bit confused by your question in the light of your /. ID.
:)
You ought to be old enough to have read previous discussions about HDMI and DRM and not too old like from the era of valve amplifiers.
Just curious
Oops, you're right.
I originally just saw 'English speaking', but they're all the way English in the example.
Why do I feel you are a Clinton supporter?
Very insightful!
This is a significant difference in pick up.
This gives me together with the one about no advertising for desktop Linux and my personal satisfaction with the present distro's some belief in the future success for the OS.