Google finally realises what Samsung users have known about for over 8 years thanks to a long history of using OLED displays.
Seriously the energy saving benefits on not lighting the screen up actually made it into Samsung's variant of Eclair back in the day which gave you the option to use a dark mode or invert the display.
LCD screen? White saves energy over black by not diffusing the backlight.
Wrong. Most LCD configurations are transparent without energy and block light when energy is applied. The difference is only slight compared to OLED / CRT (unless you have a HDR display where the backlight adjusts depending on the content) but none the less black is actually the energy saving state not white.
Aside from the fact that a large portion of phones on the market use OLED displays, and they consume power only to light up individual pixels having no backlight, you are right while you don't understand why.
On an LCD you block light to make pixels black, this incidentally uses power, when the power is released the LCD becomes transparent. That said it isn't really relevant, it's a minor difference in power compared to an OLED panel.
Actually LCDs save power too. The backlight is constant but most common LCD technologies will actually use energy to block the light away from its default transparent arrangement.
Geeks and Hardware hackers aren't the issue. Not from our ability to find stuff, nor from having any bearing at all on the discussion at hand given the ultimate size of our market.
plus 8 minutes by subway, plus a 10 minute walk, and a 20 minute bus ride at the other end
Subway? Walk? Busride? Are you Dutch or an expat? Dump a bicycle at the station like every other Dutchman:-) Seriously though it takes 20-30minutes to cycle from central station to any of the Rotterdam town edges (Europoort-Rotterdam excluded).
The "Dutch life" of living close enough to work
That I disagree with again. If anything The Netherlands seems to be typified by living in a different city to where you work.
Okay I can't criticize, technically I'm working in Germany at the moment.
Seriously, that would have fixed 90% of the stuff that got him into trouble.
It's also the 90% of the stuff that got Tesla where it is. Elon is like a chaotic good Twitter user, while Trump is chaotic evil. They both use the power of chaos to forever remain in the media and in the limelight. Being front and centre in the news made Musk a household name and also considerably helped his brand.
The problem is their innovation is to crank out more cores... for a still largely single threaded workload, where the workload is high enough to stress a modern CPU.
I wish I was saying this as some snide remarks but you just need to look at some of the big bugs identified by insiders which none the less make it into final releases months later.
Tell me about it. My cracked Windows 10 Pro didn't skip a beat. I also not to fondly remember cracking one of the earlier Assassins Creed games because of the stupid online requirement and my frail internet connection.
Humans are pretty much the only evolved species who have shown to live in all extremes of the planet. We will be fine long after we wipe out entire ecosystems and move on to destroying the next area.
But sadly, not as many people appreciate that anymore.
No one ever appreciated you using the open road as your own personal speedway. Why the hell would I own a sports car when I could just rent one when I hit the racetrack? Sure as heck not to sit in traffic, or to pick up IKEA furniture.
Even here in the Netherlands, with a very dense and well managed public transport network versus congested roads, commuting by car is still faster than public transport in many cases, and a lot of people prefer to spend less time commuting over taking longer but being able to work or read.
Of course it's faster. That is universal except for dedicated services in mega-cities. e.g. In London last week I had the option of catching a train to waterloo in 35min or driving for 1h, and it wasn't even peak hour yet.
And let's talk about your country for a moment: I would like to see you drive from Utrecht to Rotterdam faster than the train can get you there during peak hour. I would like to see you drive from Amsterdam to Rotterdam faster than the ICD can get you there at midnight when you have perfectly free roads.
The speed case is not universal, however the GP's point was that your *time* may be valuable to you. Given the choice between 30min on the road or 50min on the train, a lot of people choose the train unless they have some form of offloading from the driving activity (e.g. carpooling). Driving for 30min sucks when you could be ranting on Slashdot instead.
And finally I'm incredibly disapointed that you as someone in the Netherlands would come up with this line and then talk about psychological aspects. The Netherlands of all places where public transport for commuting is incredibly well utilised. My wife just went for a girl's weekend away in Flevoland with 7 of her work colleagues. They had to hire a car since between the 8 of them they had 1 car owner and 5 people with drivers licenses. Everyone else not only commuted via public transport, but actually spend most of their daily lives the way Dutch people do, with a bike and a train.
With public transport, the day ends only when you're at your front door.
Put your work laptop away when on the train, and pull out a book.
Why stop there. Live in the street. Collect food stamps. It's amazing the wealth you can accumulate when you don't pay for accomodation and eat from the bin. I mean the world is trending towards a gap in affordability and income, so clearly the problem here is expecatations.
Also your impression of what people do in their houses is completely detached from reality. People don't renovate every 2.5 years. 30 year old appliances also do not work fine. In fact just owning a 30 year old appliance in countries where you don't get fantasy prices for electricity can often contribute to your affordability problem. People haven't been switching phones and laptops yearly for quite a while now, and even small houses with small yards are starting to get frigging expensive close to jobs (the entire topic of conversation).
It doesn't make sense right now, but we don't know what the future holds.
We're talking clock synchronisation. The future definitely doesn't hold Triple anything in that regard. If you come up with a novel way of increasing data rate then for the love of god don't call it anything remotely related to DDR which has a very specific technical meaning.
The clock is only used for synchronization anyway so it isn't really needed to always send the clock. USB for example relies on both units clocks being "close enough".
USB devices which have two "clocks" either have problems or have synchronisation delays. The actual frequency of a USB signal differing from expected is a source of problems for many USB devices which rely on time sensitive signalling. USB may not have a clock line but that doesn't mean there isn't a specific frequency involved. That frequency is extracted from the data lines a trick that works just fine at USB speeds, and then utterly fails at the type of speeds we expect RAM chips to use.
There are also other reasons why you would use a clock line, for example RAM uses a parallel interface, not a Universal *Serial* Bus. Making it self clocking adds a lot of expense and complexity to an otherwise incredibly simple and straight forward interface between two components.
In any case you're completely missing the mark. The current bottleneck has nothing to do with the clock frequency. If the chips are capable of doing something faster then just raise the clock frequency, it's not close to being maxed out.
So, why TDR and not quad data rate then?
So let me get something clear: You don't understand what problem DDR solved. Your idea of TDR is off the mark, and QDR is something that exists (interleaving of two clock signals) and was never adopted since as I said you can just raise the clock frequency if your chips could handle it. DDR solved and electrical issue which isn't present right now. QDR may be something to look at in the future but right now it's just not necessary, and TDR is some weird solution you made up to a problem that doesn't exist.
Looks more like Google is simply late to the party of creating a code of conduct that prohibits workplace relationships with conflicts of interest. This is standard shit at every other large company.
and I am not sure why Google felt any obligation to get involved
There has never been a workplace relationship between people who share a reporting line in history consensual or otherwise which hasn't also had an affect on the workplace itself.
It is in the best interest of companies to stay involved in private issues that can have an affect on them, for better or worse.
I'd like to present to you the internet worst boss of the year award.
No doubt you're not actually a boss of anyone. With that attitude you probably tired once and were promptly demoted after your team productivity went down the same shitter you got your attitude from.
Because being an arsehole isn't a crime while at the same time making work environments hostile and stressful. You have this completely backwards. The question is not "why is this something for companies to solve" but rather "why are a few companies not working on this given that it affects employee productivity and happiness?"
I think the case may be more nuanced than this. It would appear that there were some seriously complex details discussed during this case, and it's not over since all that happened was guidance that referred it back to the lower court. http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/legal_... I'm sure it worked in France's favour that the PMU is also setup as a not for profit body.
In general the EU frowns upon all monopolies that have no reason for being so, and while Slashdot gets in uproar over the occasional story that makes it here, there are actually a lot of such rulings each year.
Now I do wonder if there's something else here too. The French ruling was referred back to the lower court. I haven't found any details here but with the little information we have it looks more absolute. I wonder if this has to do with the current falling out between Hungary and the EU precisely due to the issue of independence of courts from the government. The fact that the EU and Hungary are fighting actively on this issue is no secret, so maybe there was politics involved as much as I like to hope there wasn't.
Pfft. If that was from a phone you're a cut above the rest already:-) Many people would make that mistake after carefully typing on a computer and proof reading multiple times.
You may want it to be, but it's not. The UK parliament has not yet issued a legal summons for the Zuck. Not now, and not back in May. Actually the last time we debated this and everyone held up this parliamentary summons it was easy enough to quote the actual MPs who said that they would consider issuing a formal summons if he entered the UK.
But until they do, the only requests have been kindly worded letters posted through Facebook's public relations department, not even addressed to Zucker himself.
What happens if I don't even live in a megalopolis, and live in a place that has farmers?
Clocks exist in the country too.
Probably none of the animals will notice either, right?
Yep indeed. Animals on large farms are worked with in ways to suit the schedule of the farmer. The Animals may notice and start their own little slashdot rants about how it's dinner / milking time an hour early today, and then proceed to go do that activity at that time anyway. The fact you think that there's a specific and exact time that animals do something and that this time is unchanging or fixed directly to sunlight rather than to availability of food or general requirements just shows you have no idea about animals, much less about farming if you think that animals are all treated the same way at the same time of day.
And I mean, if you think somebody is going to go out and check equipment before dawn
Err. yeah farming doesn't start at dawn...
Sorry but I have to ask have you ever seen a farm or is your entire knowledge based on a nursery rhyme?
who cares if you water at the wrong time and the plants get moldy or sunburnt.
Sunburnt. Mouldy. The first things you said that make sense. Unfortunately not relevant since that's not the sun determining someone's schedule, that's the plant itself. Just because the clocks change doesn't mean the automated watering system has to.
I doubt you even believe food comes from the supermarket; you probably think food comes from mcdonalds!
LOL it is funny getting insults from someone who has shown to be an expert exclusively in a field of personal ignorance. May I suggest a trip into the country. It may enlighten you to actually see a farm sometime.
How is the person in charge of the whole edifice relevant? What?
Yes, that was my question. I want to know what is in my fuel. I guess I need to call Bob Dudley. I want to know why Windows shutdown took too long. Can only be answered by Nadella. The council sent me a wrong invoice I therefore demand to speak directly to the Mayor. Only these people can answer my silly questions.
Corporations aren't sovereign nations. But sure, let's give these massive, influential, opaque and nearly untouchable corporations even more priviliges. That sounds like a brilliant idea.
I didn't say they were, and your entire comment just shows you either don't understand what we're talking about. No where did I even imply that simply because the CEO doesn't deal with every little shitty request that a corporation itself is not held to account or in any way opaque. Hell actually having someone who knows what happened rather than some high level CEO who probably one day long ago may have gotten a briefing would aid a lot in transparency. A police officer shot someone. Do you ask the police officer what happened, or do you cross examine the Police Commissioner instead?
He also doesn't have to like any laws they pass which affect facebook which do have legal weight.
Fortunately the world is not America and shitty 3rd world nations. Much of the world has a democratic country where laws are passed related to the will of the people rather than by someone who has their panties in a twist. Sure let them pass laws trying to kill specific companies. I'm sure that will stand up to legal challenge./sarcasm
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Google finally realises what Samsung users have known about for over 8 years thanks to a long history of using OLED displays.
Seriously the energy saving benefits on not lighting the screen up actually made it into Samsung's variant of Eclair back in the day which gave you the option to use a dark mode or invert the display.
LCD screen? White saves energy over black by not diffusing the backlight.
Wrong. Most LCD configurations are transparent without energy and block light when energy is applied. The difference is only slight compared to OLED / CRT (unless you have a HDR display where the backlight adjusts depending on the content) but none the less black is actually the energy saving state not white.
Aside from the fact that a large portion of phones on the market use OLED displays, and they consume power only to light up individual pixels having no backlight, you are right while you don't understand why.
On an LCD you block light to make pixels black, this incidentally uses power, when the power is released the LCD becomes transparent. That said it isn't really relevant, it's a minor difference in power compared to an OLED panel.
Actually LCDs save power too. The backlight is constant but most common LCD technologies will actually use energy to block the light away from its default transparent arrangement.
So, who amongst geeks or hardware hackers
Geeks and Hardware hackers aren't the issue. Not from our ability to find stuff, nor from having any bearing at all on the discussion at hand given the ultimate size of our market.
plus 8 minutes by subway, plus a 10 minute walk, and a 20 minute bus ride at the other end
Subway? Walk? Busride? Are you Dutch or an expat? Dump a bicycle at the station like every other Dutchman :-) Seriously though it takes 20-30minutes to cycle from central station to any of the Rotterdam town edges (Europoort-Rotterdam excluded).
The "Dutch life" of living close enough to work
That I disagree with again. If anything The Netherlands seems to be typified by living in a different city to where you work.
Okay I can't criticize, technically I'm working in Germany at the moment.
There were huge protests.
Of course there were. Google is late to provide workplace protections that are standard and exposed a massive power disconnect in the process.
Seriously, that would have fixed 90% of the stuff that got him into trouble.
It's also the 90% of the stuff that got Tesla where it is. Elon is like a chaotic good Twitter user, while Trump is chaotic evil. They both use the power of chaos to forever remain in the media and in the limelight. Being front and centre in the news made Musk a household name and also considerably helped his brand.
The problem is their innovation is to crank out more cores ... for a still largely single threaded workload, where the workload is high enough to stress a modern CPU.
Worth reporting to MS?
No it's not. They don't listen.
I wish I was saying this as some snide remarks but you just need to look at some of the big bugs identified by insiders which none the less make it into final releases months later.
Tell me about it. My cracked Windows 10 Pro didn't skip a beat. I also not to fondly remember cracking one of the earlier Assassins Creed games because of the stupid online requirement and my frail internet connection.
Humans are pretty much the only evolved species who have shown to live in all extremes of the planet. We will be fine long after we wipe out entire ecosystems and move on to destroying the next area.
But sadly, not as many people appreciate that anymore.
No one ever appreciated you using the open road as your own personal speedway. Why the hell would I own a sports car when I could just rent one when I hit the racetrack? Sure as heck not to sit in traffic, or to pick up IKEA furniture.
Even here in the Netherlands, with a very dense and well managed public transport network versus congested roads, commuting by car is still faster than public transport in many cases, and a lot of people prefer to spend less time commuting over taking longer but being able to work or read.
Of course it's faster. That is universal except for dedicated services in mega-cities. e.g. In London last week I had the option of catching a train to waterloo in 35min or driving for 1h, and it wasn't even peak hour yet.
And let's talk about your country for a moment:
I would like to see you drive from Utrecht to Rotterdam faster than the train can get you there during peak hour.
I would like to see you drive from Amsterdam to Rotterdam faster than the ICD can get you there at midnight when you have perfectly free roads.
The speed case is not universal, however the GP's point was that your *time* may be valuable to you. Given the choice between 30min on the road or 50min on the train, a lot of people choose the train unless they have some form of offloading from the driving activity (e.g. carpooling). Driving for 30min sucks when you could be ranting on Slashdot instead.
And finally I'm incredibly disapointed that you as someone in the Netherlands would come up with this line and then talk about psychological aspects. The Netherlands of all places where public transport for commuting is incredibly well utilised. My wife just went for a girl's weekend away in Flevoland with 7 of her work colleagues. They had to hire a car since between the 8 of them they had 1 car owner and 5 people with drivers licenses. Everyone else not only commuted via public transport, but actually spend most of their daily lives the way Dutch people do, with a bike and a train.
With public transport, the day ends only when you're at your front door.
Put your work laptop away when on the train, and pull out a book.
Lower your expectations
Why stop there. Live in the street. Collect food stamps. It's amazing the wealth you can accumulate when you don't pay for accomodation and eat from the bin.
I mean the world is trending towards a gap in affordability and income, so clearly the problem here is expecatations.
Also your impression of what people do in their houses is completely detached from reality. People don't renovate every 2.5 years. 30 year old appliances also do not work fine. In fact just owning a 30 year old appliance in countries where you don't get fantasy prices for electricity can often contribute to your affordability problem. People haven't been switching phones and laptops yearly for quite a while now, and even small houses with small yards are starting to get frigging expensive close to jobs (the entire topic of conversation).
It doesn't make sense right now, but we don't know what the future holds.
We're talking clock synchronisation. The future definitely doesn't hold Triple anything in that regard. If you come up with a novel way of increasing data rate then for the love of god don't call it anything remotely related to DDR which has a very specific technical meaning.
The clock is only used for synchronization anyway so it isn't really needed to always send the clock. USB for example relies on both units clocks being "close enough".
USB devices which have two "clocks" either have problems or have synchronisation delays. The actual frequency of a USB signal differing from expected is a source of problems for many USB devices which rely on time sensitive signalling. USB may not have a clock line but that doesn't mean there isn't a specific frequency involved. That frequency is extracted from the data lines a trick that works just fine at USB speeds, and then utterly fails at the type of speeds we expect RAM chips to use.
There are also other reasons why you would use a clock line, for example RAM uses a parallel interface, not a Universal *Serial* Bus. Making it self clocking adds a lot of expense and complexity to an otherwise incredibly simple and straight forward interface between two components.
In any case you're completely missing the mark. The current bottleneck has nothing to do with the clock frequency. If the chips are capable of doing something faster then just raise the clock frequency, it's not close to being maxed out.
So, why TDR and not quad data rate then?
So let me get something clear: You don't understand what problem DDR solved. Your idea of TDR is off the mark, and QDR is something that exists (interleaving of two clock signals) and was never adopted since as I said you can just raise the clock frequency if your chips could handle it. DDR solved and electrical issue which isn't present right now. QDR may be something to look at in the future but right now it's just not necessary, and TDR is some weird solution you made up to a problem that doesn't exist.
Google is trying to appease the SJW mob.
Looks more like Google is simply late to the party of creating a code of conduct that prohibits workplace relationships with conflicts of interest. This is standard shit at every other large company.
and I am not sure why Google felt any obligation to get involved
There has never been a workplace relationship between people who share a reporting line in history consensual or otherwise which hasn't also had an affect on the workplace itself.
It is in the best interest of companies to stay involved in private issues that can have an affect on them, for better or worse.
No FUCK YOU! Your feelings don't mean shit to me!
I'd like to present to you the internet worst boss of the year award.
No doubt you're not actually a boss of anyone. With that attitude you probably tired once and were promptly demoted after your team productivity went down the same shitter you got your attitude from.
If someone commits a crime against you
Because being an arsehole isn't a crime while at the same time making work environments hostile and stressful. You have this completely backwards. The question is not "why is this something for companies to solve" but rather "why are a few companies not working on this given that it affects employee productivity and happiness?"
I think the case may be more nuanced than this. It would appear that there were some seriously complex details discussed during this case, and it's not over since all that happened was guidance that referred it back to the lower court. http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/legal_... I'm sure it worked in France's favour that the PMU is also setup as a not for profit body.
In general the EU frowns upon all monopolies that have no reason for being so, and while Slashdot gets in uproar over the occasional story that makes it here, there are actually a lot of such rulings each year.
Now I do wonder if there's something else here too. The French ruling was referred back to the lower court. I haven't found any details here but with the little information we have it looks more absolute. I wonder if this has to do with the current falling out between Hungary and the EU precisely due to the issue of independence of courts from the government. The fact that the EU and Hungary are fighting actively on this issue is no secret, so maybe there was politics involved as much as I like to hope there wasn't.
Pfft. If that was from a phone you're a cut above the rest already :-) Many people would make that mistake after carefully typing on a computer and proof reading multiple times.
You may want it to be, but it's not. The UK parliament has not yet issued a legal summons for the Zuck. Not now, and not back in May. Actually the last time we debated this and everyone held up this parliamentary summons it was easy enough to quote the actual MPs who said that they would consider issuing a formal summons if he entered the UK.
But until they do, the only requests have been kindly worded letters posted through Facebook's public relations department, not even addressed to Zucker himself.
What happens if I don't even live in a megalopolis, and live in a place that has farmers?
Clocks exist in the country too.
Probably none of the animals will notice either, right?
Yep indeed. Animals on large farms are worked with in ways to suit the schedule of the farmer. The Animals may notice and start their own little slashdot rants about how it's dinner / milking time an hour early today, and then proceed to go do that activity at that time anyway. The fact you think that there's a specific and exact time that animals do something and that this time is unchanging or fixed directly to sunlight rather than to availability of food or general requirements just shows you have no idea about animals, much less about farming if you think that animals are all treated the same way at the same time of day.
And I mean, if you think somebody is going to go out and check equipment before dawn
Err. yeah farming doesn't start at dawn...
Sorry but I have to ask have you ever seen a farm or is your entire knowledge based on a nursery rhyme?
who cares if you water at the wrong time and the plants get moldy or sunburnt.
Sunburnt. Mouldy. The first things you said that make sense. Unfortunately not relevant since that's not the sun determining someone's schedule, that's the plant itself. Just because the clocks change doesn't mean the automated watering system has to.
I doubt you even believe food comes from the supermarket; you probably think food comes from mcdonalds!
LOL it is funny getting insults from someone who has shown to be an expert exclusively in a field of personal ignorance. May I suggest a trip into the country. It may enlighten you to actually see a farm sometime.
How is the person in charge of the whole edifice relevant? What?
Yes, that was my question. I want to know what is in my fuel. I guess I need to call Bob Dudley. I want to know why Windows shutdown took too long. Can only be answered by Nadella. The council sent me a wrong invoice I therefore demand to speak directly to the Mayor. Only these people can answer my silly questions.
Corporations aren't sovereign nations. But sure, let's give these massive, influential, opaque and nearly untouchable corporations even more priviliges. That sounds like a brilliant idea.
I didn't say they were, and your entire comment just shows you either don't understand what we're talking about. No where did I even imply that simply because the CEO doesn't deal with every little shitty request that a corporation itself is not held to account or in any way opaque. Hell actually having someone who knows what happened rather than some high level CEO who probably one day long ago may have gotten a briefing would aid a lot in transparency. A police officer shot someone. Do you ask the police officer what happened, or do you cross examine the Police Commissioner instead?
He also doesn't have to like any laws they pass which affect facebook which do have legal weight.
Fortunately the world is not America and shitty 3rd world nations. Much of the world has a democratic country where laws are passed related to the will of the people rather than by someone who has their panties in a twist. Sure let them pass laws trying to kill specific companies. I'm sure that will stand up to legal challenge. /sarcasm