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Some Windows 10 Pro Users Say Their PCs Are No Longer Activated And Are Been Prompted To Downgrade To Windows 10 Home (betanews.com)

If you're having trouble activating your Windows 10 Pro computer today, you're not alone. Forums and social media networks are getting flooded with complaints from users who say their machines have automatically become deactivated. Users say they are having trouble connecting with Microsoft's activation servers, with some saying they are being prompted to downgrade to Windows 10 Home. According to Microsoft Answers, the company is working to resolve the issue. Only users who had upgraded their computers to Windows 10 by using product keys of Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 appear to be impacted.

271 comments

  1. I haven't noticed... by Crash+Dummy+Redux · · Score: 1

    Probably because my upgrade path was Win7 -> Win8 -> Win10 -> Win10 Pro.

    1. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Mine was 3.0 -> 3.1 -> 95 -> 98 -> XP - Win7 Pro - > Win10 Pro - Linux Mint.

      Problem solved.

    2. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I upgraded from Win7 -> Win8 -> Win10 -> Mac. I haven't noticed either.

    3. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basic -> MS-DOS -> Win3.1 -> Win95 -> Win98 -> WinXP -> Win7 -> Win8 -> Win10 -> Linux.

    4. Re:I haven't noticed... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      +1 for having a long enough upgrade path that you can't see the joke right away.

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    5. Re:I haven't noticed... by mandark1967 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Basic --> CP-642Bravo (Assembly) --> AN/UYK7&AN/UYK43 (Using CMS-2Y) --> VAX VMS --> Unix --> Minux --> DOS 3.0 --> DOS 3.1 --> DOS 4.0 --> DOS 4.01 --> DOS 5 --> Win 3.0 --> Win3.1 --> Win95 --> Win NT3.5 --> Win98 --> Win2000 --> WinXP --> Win Vista --> Win 7 --> Win 8.0 --> Win8.1 --> Win10

      (And most variants of Suse, RedHat, Ubuntu, Debian, Slackware, and BSD)

      I prefer Win98

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    6. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AmigaDos -> NetBSD -> FreeBSD

      Cut the middleman! :)

    7. Re:I haven't noticed... by Crash+Dummy+Redux · · Score: 1

      Windows 98 SE (Second Edition) was my favorite back in the day.

    8. Re:I haven't noticed... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Funny


      o MSDOS
      | Win 3.0
      | Win 3.11
      | WinNT 4.0
      | Win 2000
      | WinXP
      v---+-> Win 7 Pro
          +-> Linux
          +-> OSX
          +-> FreeBSD

      I see no need to run MS's latest spyware that constantly breaks.

    9. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      95 -> RedHat 5 -> Gentoo -> Ubuntu -> Linux Mint : 6 machines
      95 -> RedHat 5 -> Gentoo -> Ubuntu -> Devuan : 2 machines
      95 -> RedHat 5 -> Gentoo -> Ubuntu -> Arch : 1 machine

    10. Re:I haven't noticed... by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Ah... I remember AN/UYK-7. I also was part of the development team for the AN/PYC-1 and AN/PSC-2 for the LTACFIRE system.

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    11. Re:I haven't noticed... by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Parallel tracks for some of us.

      Dos 3.3 (apple ][) -> System 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 , 6, 7, MacOS 7.5, MacOS 8, MacOS 9,--> MacOS X.
      SunOS BSD --> Aegis --> SunOS SysV --> Linux (too many to list)
      OS9 --> Vrtx
      All the DOS --> Windows variants.
      Plan 9 --> Inferno --> Plan 9. (Still my favorite for programming)

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    12. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 7 is about to run out of security updates unless you pay for an extension. That will hopefully change your mind about using Windows in the first place.

    13. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You didn't jump onto the Windows ME bandwagon?

    14. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tandy Basic -> Dos 2.11 -> Dos 3.3 -> Dos 4.0 -> Dos 5.0 -> Windows 3.1 -> OS/2 -> Windows 95 -> Windows 98 -> Windows 98 SE -> Windows ME -> Windows 2000 -> Windows XP -> Windows Vista -> Windows 7 -> Windows 10 -> Linux Mint here.

    15. Re:I haven't noticed... by ogdenk · · Score: 1

      Atari DOS 2.0s -> Atari DOS 2.5 -> MyDOS 4.5 -> SpartaDOS 4.1 -> TOS/GEM 1.0 -> TOS/GEM 1.04 -> System 6.08 -> System 7 -> System 7.5 -> MINIX 1.7 -> Linux 1.12 -> NetBSD 1.2 -> FreeBSD 2.8 -> MacOS X

      I have never experienced these problems at all.

    16. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3.1 -> 95 - > WinXP -> Ubuntu -> Mint

      Windows 7 (Virtualized)
      Windows 10 (Virtualized)
      Windows XP (Virtualized)
      Win 95 (Virtualized)
      WIn 3.1 (Virtualized)

      Virtualized is the only safe way to run windows.

      I can always access my files, and Windows only sees what it needs to see.

      The drivers are of higher quality, and it can't damage my real hardware with crappy drivers.

      It only sees a highly constrained network, and can't leak information out, or get updates in.

      Running Windows on real hardware is just begging for trouble.

    17. Re:I haven't noticed... by mandark1967 · · Score: 1

      You didn't jump onto the Windows ME bandwagon?

      I was saving up for Vista ;)

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    18. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I go back a little further - Atari DOS 1.x (can't remember exact version)
      Atari DOS 2.5 -> -> TOS/GEM 1.0 -> TOS/GEM 1.04 ->
      SunOS 4.1.3_u1 -> Solaris 2.0 -> Solaris 8 -> SuSE (7x?) -> Fedora 8 .. -> Fedora 21
      I haven't used Windows in any serious capacity (except for career) during
      my whole computer life. Damn, I'm feeling olde...

      CAP === 'loaning'

    19. Re:I haven't noticed... by mandark1967 · · Score: 1

      I used to work with the 7 & 43 at FCDSSA Dam Neck maintaining the systems for the Navy.

      Was a fun place to work, and I could go fishing at lunchtime since the beach was only about 150 ft away.

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    20. Re:I haven't noticed... by fuzznutz · · Score: 1

      My experience is about the same except:

      - CP-642Bravo (Assembly)
      - AN/UYK7&AN/UYK43 (Using CMS-2Y)
      + CP/M
      + Windows 2.11
      + OS/2 2.0
      + OS/2 3.0
      + Windows NT 4.0


      I prefer Ubuntu or Mint

    21. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mine was Basic ->DOS 2.0 -> DOS 3.3 ->DOS 5.0 ->Windows 3.1 ->95 ->98 ->XP Pro -> 7-> Linux Mint (KDE) ->KDE Neon. Only Sheeple would use the Windows 10 Spy/Virus!!

    22. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tandy MSDOS 2.11 -> DOS 3.3 - > DOS 5.0 > DOS 6 -> DOS 6.20 -> DOS 6.22

      Win 3.1 -> Win 95 -> Win XP -> Win 7 -> Win10

      Slackware -> Redhat -> Ubuntu -> Mint

      Tandy BASIC -> Intel 80x86 Assembly -> Turbo Pascal -> Turbo C -> GNU C -> 68xx assembly -> ARM Assembly -> VHDL -> Verilog

      Windows has been relegated to virtual machines, and has no network acess outside, and limited access to a SMB share hosted on a linux machine.

      Windows is used for tax returns, every year, or testing crap. The machine is wiped each use.

      Windows is great for testing 0-days, ransomware, malicious webpages, etc, real work, not so much.

      Also great, is seeing what trivial changes invalidate the registration. I never really bother registering windows, since the machine never really "lives" for more than 30 days at a time.

      Linux Machines:

      4 ARM [ Raspberry Pi3. Raspberry Pi 2, XU4, EspressoBoard ]
      2 Intel [ Core-i7, z8350 ]

    23. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here but without windows 10 spyware.

    24. Re: I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your patience or your pennies?

    25. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's impossible to upgrade to OSX. I'd rather use Win ME.

    26. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I honestly miss Win 2000. Max comf.

    27. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Commodore BASIC -> MS-DOS 2.1 -> MS-DOS 3.3 -> DR-DOS 5.0 -> Novell DOS 7.0 -> OS/2 -> BeOS -> Windows 2000 -> Windows XP Pro x64 -> Windows Vista SP1/SP2/SP3 (Windows 7) -> Windows 8.1 Pro -> Linux Mint -> Manjaro Linux.

    28. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed NT 4? That's a shame. It was the peak Microsoft OS.

    29. Re:I haven't noticed... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Probably because my upgrade path was Win7 -> Win8 -> Win10 -> Win10 Pro.

      Mine was Win 95 -> Win XP -> Win Vista -> OS X. Haven't looked back since.

    30. Re:I haven't noticed... by Trogre · · Score: 1

      MS-DOS 2.1 -> 5 -> 6-> Win 3.1 -> Win 95 -> OS/2 Warp -> Win 98 -> Red Hat -> Debian+Ubuntu+Mint -> Fedora

      With significant overlaps (eg now Debian and Fedora happily co-existing).

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    31. Re: I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 7 is fine if you run a firewall. I waited until yesterday to install the WannaCry patch...probably still don't really need it.

    32. Re: I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only using variations of Linux at home. Wife begs me to buy next laptop with Linux preinstalled. She gets too tired of popups and indicators and the like.

    33. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mine was 3.1 -> 98 -> XP -> 7 -> pirated 7

    34. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basic Is Not an Operating System But A Brain Solvent, or BINOSBABS for short. ;)

    35. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mine was 3.0 -> 3.1 -> 95 -> 98 -> XP - Win7 Pro - > Win10 Pro - Linux Mint.

      Problem solved.

      My age will be showing, but, for me it was

      MS-DOS -> Win 3.11 -> Win NT 4 -> FreeBSD + later on Debian + yet others (including Mint and Ubuntu)

      FreeBSD, at that time, installed all by itself overnight! And IT WORKED!
      True, it took me about a week to get the device drivers right, printer, etc. It all did work
      in the end. I let the poor thing on for 6 months under the said FreeBSD. Not a hitch of a problem.
      Meanwhile NT would either freeze or BSOD twice per day.

    36. Re:I haven't noticed... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Windows has always been a joke of security. That said, knock on wood, haven't had any security issues.

      Only reason to keep Windows is for a few games I play.

      And no, I'm still not downgrading to spyware.

    37. Re:I haven't noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even a pile of dog shit would be an upgrade from Windows 10.

  2. License Fees... by bobbied · · Score: 2

    Apparently Microsoft needs more of them.. Pay up or go to Home!

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    1. Re:License Fees... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #DefectiveByDesign

      Why people tolerate all the Microsoft BS... Sad.

  3. lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    just use linux, christ.

    1. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sadly Gnome 3 sucks more than Windows Vista

    2. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Let's play a game of Overwatch together!

      Oh wait... sucks to be you.

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    3. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by sjames · · Score: 4, Informative

      Get out of the MS mindframe. In Linux, if you don't like the UI, choose another one.

      Agreed about Gnome 3, that's why I don't use it.

    4. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sadly Gnome 3 sucks more than Windows Vista

      Sounds like a good reason to use KDE. :)

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    5. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      Sounds like a good reason to use KDE. :)

      Not in Red Hat. Deprecated.

    6. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by postmortem · · Score: 1

      I usually get kernel panic before anything else :)

    7. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      So install gnome panel and flashback. And you have a clean gnome 2 without hacks.

    8. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Informative

      Play several thousand Steam games.
      Actually be productive.
      Reboot when YOU want...

    9. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry im too busy playing this old MMO game called Life, best part: no operating system necessary as it happens IRL. Not everyone cares about gaming.

    10. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I explained why some people put up with this shit and your reply is that you don't play games.

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    11. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by slipped_bit · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Things I have done and/or still do with Linux:
      - Embedded software development (MP-LAB for Microchip's PIC microcontrollers)
      - Schematic capture and PCB layout
      - Monitor / maintain my finances
      - Wrote and published a book
      - Developed cover art for said book
      - Have started writing / editing a second book
      - Download & manage photos from my camera
      - Play games
      - Ran an emulator to relive my Tandy CoCo days
      - Development of my web sites

      Things I do when I'm at work and my employer forces me to use Windows 10:
      - Wonder why people put up with this crap
      - Curse a hell of a lot more than I normally like to do during peacetime.

    12. Re: lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes sense why youâ(TM)re on Slashdot, then.

    13. Re: lol why do you people put up with this shit by CoolDiscoRex · · Score: 2

      And, you know, more or less run the Internet.

    14. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds like I'm gonna have to ditch Red Hat / CentOS. Love KDE Plasma.

    15. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      things you can do with linux:

        - open a browser

        - configure linux

        - tinker with linux

      - Design the CPU that you're using to write that stupid comment.

    16. Re: lol why do you people put up with this shit by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And, you know, more or less run the Internet.

      Not only 96.5% of web servers and 85% of cloud services, but also > 85% of all phones.

      But not desktop computers though. Which account for what, 45% of web browsing activity, wher Linux has approx 1.5% of the market.

    17. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by tepples · · Score: 1

      Other productive things I've done using Xubuntu, a GNU/Linux distribution:

      - Develop the menu system for a multiple game cartridge showcasing entries to an NES game programming competition
      - Develop a few entries for said competition
      - Program the video games Haunted: Halloween '85 (2015) and its sequel Haunted: Halloween '86 (The Curse of Possum Hollow) (2016) and their asset pipelines for Retrotainment Games

    18. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2

      things you can do with linux: - open a browser

      That's probably enough for a majority of users.

    19. Re: lol why do you people put up with this shit by quadcricket · · Score: 1

      https://appdb.winehq.org/objec... Overwatch plays on Linux. With Proton from Valve the list of games that you cannot play on Linux grows smaller every day. I am running Artix with XFCE and Steam and have over 300 native games. With Wine and Proton I could probably add a few hundred more of my 700 owned games to the list.

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    20. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're telling our lord and saviour which distro to use?

    21. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Wine is making a lot of headway with games like overwatch. Now with the help of steam it's getting even better. You can play overwatch on Linux but until some more bugs get worked out it may crash or it may run just fine for hours. I recently tested Rust with steam play and other than not being able to open steam friends once you're in game it runs rather flawlessly occasionally I get runaway ram and have to cycle the game but in 2 days game play(lots of hours last weekend) it only happened twice.

    22. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only linux had a choice of desktop managers.

    23. Re: lol why do you people put up with this shit by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Saying that Linux has games via Wine/etc is like saying that my Mac is compatible with the Nintendo GameBoy because of emulators.

      Yes there is more games than ever compatible with Linux, I see that every time I look at game listings on Steam. But Overwatch is not "Linux compatible".

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    24. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - Monitor / maintain my finances

      Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, there's no trustworthy tax prep software (such as HR Block or TurboTax) available for Linux. A web based version is not a substitute -- if I need to go back to past taxes, perhaps because of a long audit process, I need to be able to go back to my past returns and recompute them -- without relying on subscriptions and/or corporate buyouts/spinouts that fail and/or corporate decisions to deprecate a product. WINE is also not an option -- the providers of mainstream tax prep software don't support it and if a necessary update to the tax software causes it not to work under WINE on April 11th that's a big problem.

      Also, as far as I can tell, there is no substitute for Quicken. No, GNUCash is not a substitute (I have hundreds of transactions a month in tens of accounts at multiple financial institutions so automated online downloads of transactions from many different financial institutions are essential and GNUCash does not provide this). Again, web based solutions are not a viable alternative for much the same reasons as the tax software and, in addition, privacy/security -- my data is my data, I'll keep it local and under my control (save for encrypted offline backups where I choose the encryption mechanism, it's just a blob to my offline storage providers).

      These two applications are the primary reasons I have keep Windows around. There are some other apps where the Linux substitutes are inferior (esp. in terms of documentation and stability) but acceptable (LibreOffice comes to mind). As well, the Windows software upgrade process is quite a bit more bulletproof - I've not bricked a Windows system in years doing an ordinary upgrade but it probably happens once a year with Linux (currently I'm running Ubuntu and have a lot of apps installed) -- when this happens I waste time figuring out which obscure dependency or config setting is causing the problem (or, installing from scratch and restore backups if that seems likely to be faster).

    25. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by aaron44126 · · Score: 1

      I'm curious what you use for managing your finances on Linux? Quicken is one of the few things keeping me tied to Windows (alternatives I've tried are not even close).

    26. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's play a game of Overwatch together!

      Oh wait... sucks to be you.

      No thanks, I only play good games.

    27. Re: lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's like saying Windows 7 can run a Windows 98 game due to backward compatible libraries. Wine Is Not an Emulator.

      But thanks for your input, Microsoft shill. You'll surely reap a ton of Bing credit for this.

    28. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Yup! When I read what Gnome 3 was going to be like I started looking for a different DE. By the time it came out I was using Xfce4 and I've never regretted it.

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    29. Re: lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you attribute this state of affairs to Windows?

    30. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The world runs on Linux. Your very ability to access the internet and Slashdot relies upon multiple Linux systems.

      Android, a Linux-based OS, is the world's most used and popular.

      On the other side you have Windows, which is only good for playing children's video games.

    31. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A web based version is not a substitute

      Ah yes. It's not a substitute because it destroys your argument.

    32. Re: lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually Linux administrators get paid far more than Windows "administrators".

      As a Linux admin, I bet I make at least quadruple what you do.

    33. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      It's not an MS mindframe. It's a "I'm just a computer user who just wants it to work without bullshit" mindframe. Maybe you and I have no qualms about ripping out a GUI we hate and putting in a different one, but it wouldn't even occur to the average user to do that, let alone know HOW to do that.

    34. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of which, whatever happened to the 'switchdesk' command (to switch windows manager)?

    35. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by sjames · · Score: 2

      Nothing to rip out, just install the wanted GUI and select it when logging in.

    36. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by sjames · · Score: 1

      Same here.

    37. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by jowifi · · Score: 1

      There's Skrooge for KDE if you need a dedicated program. Or you can just use a spreadsheet in LibreOffice.

    38. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GnuCash does double-entry accounting and supports imports from QIF files. Try it out.

    39. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a good reason to use KDE. :)

      Not in Red Hat. Deprecated.

      I deprecated Red Hat years ago in my Linux usage.

      I do not miss Red Hat at all.

    40. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And downgrading OS on startup is "work without bullshit"?

    41. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll do that once the £7000 worth of specialized software I use for my job works on Linux.

      And no I don't give a fuck about your "alternatives", you lot are worse than vegans for that.

    42. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      just install the wanted GUI

      That little snippet is missing a LOT of details. First of all, it assumes that they even know what GUI they want. KDE? XFCE? FVWM? Cinnamon? Enlightenment?

      The average user is not going to have any idea. They will have to spend time learning the pros and cons between each one, possibly experiment to see what they like most.

      I can tell you right now that the average user is going to throw their hands up in the air and say "Screw that" before you've managed to finish saying the letter K D.

    43. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by sjames · · Score: 1

      How do these imaginary users manage to get to work? All those dizzying breakfast options, eggs, cereal, OJ, coffee, butter, jam, or both on the toast choosing which clothes to wear, picking a station on the car radio, it' just too much!

      Those poor people shivering naked in their childhood bedrooms unable to choose clothes, bedding, a setting on the thermostat, a house, a car, what they want to be when they grow up or even which free GUI they want on their Linux box.

    44. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      Is it really that hard for you to understand/accept that not everyone has the same level of technical expertise that you do?

      Being a dick doesn't help your argument at all. You clearly have zero understanding of how people actually make choices. Here's a hint: it's the reason why marketing is so effective, and why shitty products easily outsell clearly superior ones.

    45. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by sjames · · Score: 1

      I'm presuming they didn't install Linux themselves (or they would have the knowledge you believe they lack), so that means it's down to clicking on a selection when they log in. Are you saying they are incapable of clicking on a selection? And further that they are incapable of asking for help?

      TL;DR, Linux != gnome3

    46. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it's not. KDE is only deprecated in upcoming versions of RHEL (EL = Enterprise Linux).

    47. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      KDE is only deprecated in upcoming versions of RHEL (EL = Enterprise Linux).

    48. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      No, I'm not saying that. And at this point I just have to say that you are either being intentionally thick, or you are utterly incapable of putting yourself into the shoes of the average person who probably has kids, a day job, and a mortgage to worry about.

      The fact of the matter is that they are not going to make the kind of choice you are thinking. Their choice is going to be, "Does it do what I need it to do, yes or no?" It is NOT going to be "how can I make it do what I want?". They are NOT going to take the time to evaluate all the myriad options. They are going to, at best, ask for a recommendation, and then either go with it or abandon Linux entirely and stick with what they already know.

      For good or ill, the average person looks at a computer as an appliance. What you put in front of them is what they get. It's not a matter of if they can. It's a matter of if they are arsed to do so because they have more important things to worry about. This is why Apple is doing so well. Because they put out a product that the average non-computer-savvy user can use.

    49. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by sjames · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'm basing it on family who asked me what they could use to browse the wen abd read some email. They ended up set up with modest desktops running Ubuntu with XFCE. It's never been a problem.

      In other words, they took the second option I suggested (ask for help). Because Linux isn't stuck on Gnome3, there were options I could choose that would actually help them.

      People routinely make choices. They don't reject "cars" because a manual transmission is too hard, they just choose one with an automatic. They certain;y don't reject a car because the driver's seat is too far back. They know it's adjustable and so they adjust it. If you put the computer in front of them and don't go through the UI options they have, you failed, not Linux.

    50. Re:lol why do you people put up with this shit by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Gnucash and Moneydance are probably the best alternatives. They don't have all the features of Quicken, but they don't force you to "upgrade" to a version that's worse than the previous one.

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  4. It's even worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Windows 10 Pro.... being prompted to downgrade to Windows 10 Home

    It gets even worse... just the other day, my Debian box prompted me to downgrade it to Windows 10 Pro.

    1. Re:It's even worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Damn systemd, Poetering being lazy and trying to cut corners.

    2. Re:It's even worse by vbdasc · · Score: 1

      Just don't get your Linux from the MS store. Problem solved.

    3. Re:It's even worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 10 Pro.... being prompted to downgrade to Windows 10 Home

      It gets even worse... just the other day, my Debian box prompted me to downgrade it to Windows 10 Pro.

      systemd is at it again

  5. I saw this on a customer's PC by TheDarkener · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On Monday I was at their office fixing an unrelated issue when I noticed the desktop graffiti/banner saying they weren't activated. Weird. I plugged in the Win10 product key on the case sticker and it activated again. I just summed it up to another M$ fuck-up, didn't know it was as widespread as it is.

    I'm so glad I use Linux at home =D

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    1. Re: I saw this on a customer's PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh man! Microsoft licensing is a far cry from the old days. I actually had to sneaker net all my files when transferring a license because the activation server wouldnâ(TM)t allow both PCs to be active at the same time. Try moving terabytes of data on a thumb drive and you will also learn to hate licensing servers (and no, before you ask, the hard drive on the source PC was encrypted and decryption did not work even with the same version of windows and UID so could not just unplug the HDD and move it). Ugh

    2. Re:I saw this on a customer's PC by Lanforod · · Score: 2

      On Monday I was at their office fixing an unrelated issue when I noticed the desktop graffiti/banner saying they weren't activated. Weird. I plugged in the Win10 product key on the case sticker and it activated again. I just summed it up to another M$ fuck-up, didn't know it was as widespread as it is.

      I'm so glad I use Linux at home =D

      Since when do you get product keys on case stickers anymore? OEMs haven't done that since Win 8.

    3. Re:I saw this on a customer's PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Refurb win10 towers have stickers.

    4. Re: I saw this on a customer's PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      manage-bde e: -protectors -delete

      Assuming BitLocker, that will ensure a USB flesh drive remains encrypted... but will just mount normally. Like locking a safe, and taping the key onto the door.

    5. Re:I saw this on a customer's PC by TheDarkener · · Score: 1

      *shrug* It was a refurb, the license key notated that it was too. Was a Win10 sticker, not any other version.

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    6. Re:I saw this on a customer's PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends. We still buy & provide stickers at work because we don't inject the key.

      (That's because OA3 requires thousands of dollars in license fees to MS to use.)

    7. Re: I saw this on a customer's PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does he get a free chicken dinner?

  6. they know .... by Dave+Whiteside · · Score: 3, Interesting

    https://answers.microsoft.com/...

    but it's causing chaos in some places -

    watermarks all over ... damn you

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    1. Re:they know .... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      They know what? That their quality assurance has all but died recently? Do they know that? If so, what are they going to do to fix it?

    2. Re:they know .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Of course they do know, they fired them all.

    3. Re:they know .... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Their QA is outsourced to their victi... customers. They're officially producing bananaware now.

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    4. Re:they know .... by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Once again, legitimate users are impacted more by DRM than the "pirates."

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    5. Re:they know .... by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      What you are seeing is failed updates to internal infrastructure. That internal infrastructure, how to kill customers computers, for what ever reason they deem appropriate. Windows anal probe 10, make no mistake, install it and M$ owns your computer and your data. A pack of shit stains with absolutely no respect for their customers.

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    6. Re:they know .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Recently? The 90's were so long ago.

    7. Re:they know .... by antdude · · Score: 1

      It is not just MS too. Many companies are doing this, and we get crappy products and services.

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  7. Beta testers ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is what happens when a company moves from testing their own stuff to leaving the users to be beta testers.

    They're literally passing partially tested over the fence and letting users deal with their QA issues.

    This is also why I'll never own a Windows 10 machine which isn't running as a VM ... it's my machine, and I'll make decisions about when it is updated.

    Fuck you, Microsoft.

    1. Re:Beta testers ... by scsirob · · Score: 1

      They have always had external beta testers. Been one from 1994 (Chicago - Win95) all the way to Win7.
      The problem is that they stopped listening to beta tester feedback with Vista. Everything was locked long before beta releases

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    2. Re:Beta testers ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They have always had external beta testers.

      Yes, but it wasn't the entire bloody user base. Those people were choosing to do be beta testers, the people affected by this most certainly did not.

      MS is now literally deciding that everyone is a beta tester whether they like it or not, and seem to be consistently putting out stuff that is nowhere near tested enough.

      Microsoft is releasing lower quality stuff, relying on their telemetry to tell them what went wrong, and then if users are lucky Microsoft will fix something they should have found before release.

      Essentially Microsoft doesn't give a damn if they break your machine, your busted machine costs less to them than doing proper QA.

      If this is the quality of Microsoft's QA, they're going downhill very quickly.

    3. Re: Beta testers ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone has to be testers now because Microsoft fired most of their testers in 2014.

    4. Re:Beta testers ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they've always had external beta testers. In the past, however, it was a select, opted-in group of people, after their own QA had been over it.

      Now it's every user with no QA.

  8. Is Windows still viable as a development plaform? by El+Cubano · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I see stories like this and I have to ask myself, "Is Windows still viable as a development platform? Will it continue to be viable as a development platform in the future?"

    I develop exclusively on Linux (some libraries in C/C++, some Python applications, Java server and desktop stuff, occasionally dabble in mobile, etc.). I have some colleagues who use Mac OS X as their platform and are happy with that. I do know a small number of developers working on Windows, but as far as I can tell they don't particularly like Windows as a development platform, especially those who have had to move to Windows 10 (precisely because they no longer control the updates and stuff can just randomly break).

    I guess, all I can say is, "wow."

  9. Interesting... by the_skywise · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There was an XBox Live outage a few days ago where all digital purchases couldn't be verified. If you had the disc you could play online fine - but if you had purchased the game or even the DLC of a disc game then it was non playable as the service couldn't determine if you owned it or not.
    I wonder if these issues are related.
    (Also interesting that even if you've successfully downloaded and installed the game on their closed system they're constantly re-validating you)

    1. Re: Interesting... by nnull · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Brings light to how stupid these copy protection schemes are. Everything discussed here for the past 10 years is becoming reality.

    2. Re: Interesting... by sjames · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Rights management" software is intrinsically bad software.

      Good software is designed in such a way that it runs if at all possible. If a file is missing and it can still do something useful, it still runs. If a permission is wrong, gives the user a chance to change it or save the file somewhere else. If a non-fatal error comes up, keep going. Where possible, re-try. If something isn't ready, sleep for a bit and try again.

      Rights management is the opposite of that. It has failure on a hair trigger. It looks for the slightest excuse to fail if anything at all isn't exactly right. It checks for things that aren't necessary to run. It is by it's very nature BAD software.

    3. Re:Interesting... by HideyoshiJP · · Score: 2

      I wonder why they didn't build a grace period in. I'm not going to pretend Sony is some role model or anything, but I believe their software only checks every x number of days. I've seen some items with a 30-90 day check and some with a year, depending on PS Plus items or purchased items.

    4. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Also interesting that even if you've successfully downloaded and installed the game on their closed system they're constantly re-validating you"

      This is just in case they change their mind ...

    5. Re: Interesting... by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

      However, the market has decided that it's easier to fund the development of bad software than good software. How could one go about changing that?

    6. Re: Interesting... by sjames · · Score: 2

      Given the crazy amount of vendor tie-ins, it can be a hard problem. But in general, the only readily available answer is reject DRMed software whenever it's vaguely feasible to do so. Keep in mind that DRM means they have already decided you are a dirty crook before you've even paid for the software. Consider what that means for the chances at a cordial; business relationship.

    7. Re: Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Start by disregarding this "the market" excuse. It's publishing executives pushing these malfunctions as features, just as they demand the release of unfinished software. The sabotage is in general snuck in, not a customer choice. Look for saner vendors, e.g. GOG or EFF (yeah, it's a sad state of affairs when the surveillance paranoid are actually right). Even Steam has recently started adding a small orange warning label, though not for their own DRM. Having all three major anti-user branches - spyware, intrusive advertisements and sabotage - built into the system itself, as is the case on Android and Windows now, isn't the greatest starting point.

    8. Re: Interesting... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Tell me about it. My cracked Windows 10 Pro didn't skip a beat. I also not to fondly remember cracking one of the earlier Assassins Creed games because of the stupid online requirement and my frail internet connection.

    9. Re: Interesting... by strikethree · · Score: 1

      However, the market has decided

      The market didn't decide shit. Human greed did. What we have is the best system that could be decided upon with certain pre-requisites never being optional.

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  10. The activation servers were acting up yesterday. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It took several attempts for me to activate 10 Pro for Workstations last night, first attempt accepted the key then promptly reverted back to before I entered it. Next attempt accepted the key and stored it, but refused to activate "Server refused the connection attempt." Called in, the new call-in process is the stupidest thing ever - hand holding through putting in the product key (never mind that you would have already been staring at the screen with a activation challenge just to get the product activation phone number...) Gave up after having to confirm every. bloody. step. of. the. way that I knew what I was doing and had a product key and entered it correctly... Tried online activation again, NXDOMAIN response for the activation servers. Waited 10 minutes, server refused connection attempt. 10 more minutes and it auto-activated, followed by an error saying the server couldn't be resolved (?)

    It doesn't help that they discontinued the awesome self-help "mobile" website for activation earlier this year - where you could copy and paste the challenge and response between your web browser and the phone-in activation window.

  11. the road to wellvile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Microposs is making sure no one will be using their crap anymore by the end of the year, This year.

    This Microposs is getting better by the day.

    YOUR FIRED !!!

  12. So, this OS will stop working on it's own? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nice to know that the OS has a dependency on other people over the interwebs not f*cking up, and still existing so you can simply turn your computer on and use it.

    I for one, am glad I don't use an OS with such a f*cked up dependency.

    Linux, internet or no internet, it still works. kernel.org goes away? Still works. Botched kernel upgrade? Roll back to previous version (in the time it takes to press reset and press an arrow key to select the older kernel), still works.

    Microsoft - Activate or die. Looks like you don't even stay activated if things don't work out at their end. Good to know.

    1. Re: So, this OS will stop working on it's own? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck that asterisk bullshit, man, we're all grown-ups here.

  13. Only upgrades by zennyboy · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "Only users who had upgraded their computers to Windows 10 by using product keys of Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 appear to be impacted."

    I bought a Win 10 Pro non-upgrade key. Was activated. Today I am not activated. Worth reporting to MS?

    1. Re:Only upgrades by aaron44126 · · Score: 2

      Most of the complaints are coming from users who upgraded but I have seen some from people who bought Pro keys. So, I wonder if the "guess" that only upgrades are impacted isn't quite right. It could be that only OEM installs are *not* impacted. Since the vast majority of installs are either OEM (machine shipped with Windows 10) or upgrade (during the free/promo period a few years back)... Users that actually purchased a Windows 10 standalone key might be lost in the shuffle.

      In any case, this is clearly quickly becoming a hot topic and I'm sure Microsoft will address it soon... Doesn't say great things about their QC though. (Hey, where's that 1809 / October 2018 update at?)

    2. Re: Only upgrades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Microsoft DOESN'T HAVE quality control. They fired most of their testers in 2014. Not making that up.

    3. Re:Only upgrades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my case, it was a Windows 10 VM, clean installed from an MSDN ISO. All my keys were rejected when trying to activate through the graphical UI.

      It also failed when trying to activate from the command prompt, but as soon as the error message came up, the UI version (still sitting in the background) refreshed itself and said everything was ok...

    4. Re:Only upgrades by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Worth reporting to MS?

      No it's not. They don't listen.

      I wish I was saying this as some snide remarks but you just need to look at some of the big bugs identified by insiders which none the less make it into final releases months later.

  14. Cheap Windows 10 Pro licences by Mark4ST · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been buying my WIN 10 Pro licences from UK eBay vendors, and they've been working fine for a year or so. Less than $5 CAD. I believe our UK friends have different rules about transferring keys from decommissioned PCs-- they can actually resell otherwise unused used licences.

    1. Re:Cheap Windows 10 Pro licences by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I don't see why we can't resell used used licences too. In any case, no-one buys a new Windows licence when they buy a second hand PC.

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    2. Re:Cheap Windows 10 Pro licences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Microsoft claims that the license is "owned" by the computer and is non-transferrable. This argument is ridiculous as it is in conflict with the bill of first sale, but they've convinced enough regulators that it's difficult to sell oem licenses is most of the usual places.

    3. Re:Cheap Windows 10 Pro licences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So there are 9 of us living here? 2 humans and 7 computers? How to I register the computers so they can vote?
      When did computers become 'people'? Since the USA considers 'companies' to be 'a person', I guess a computer being a person isn't that much worse.

  15. I didn't think this was possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does a valid licensed activated Windows install suddenly become deactivated and 'running an unauthorised version of windows' and require 'purchase of a genuine copy from the Windows(R)(TM) Store' without a hardware change to trigger it?

    Never mind I'm fully licensed, legal, activated, and getting FUCKED OFF with nonsensical useless error messages. 0xC003FB43 oh thanks Microsoft that's a great fucking help.

    1. Re:I didn't think this was possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      0xC003FB43 oh thanks Microsoft that's a great fucking help.

      I was curious about this. Not that Microsoft's got any help about it, but via Event Viewer's Application logs you'll see tons of these Errors coming from the "Security-SPP" source like:

      1. License acquisition failure details.

        hr=0xC004C003

      2. Acquisition of End User License failed. hr=0xC004C003

        Sku Id=4de7cb65-cdf1-4de9-8ae8-e3cce27b9f2c

      3. License Activation (slui.exe) failed with the following error code:

        hr=0xC004C003

        Command-line arguments:

        RuleId=3482d82e-ca2c-4e1f-8864-da0267b484b2;Action=AutoActivate;AppId=55c92734-d682-4d71-983e-d6ec3f16059f;SkuId=4de7cb65-cdf1-4de9-8ae8-e3cce27b9f2c;NotificationInterval=1440;Trigger=TimerEvent

      And from the "Office 2016 Licensing Service" source:

      The description for Event ID 0 from source Office 2016 Licensing Service cannot be found. Either the component that raises this event is not installed on your local computer or the installation is corrupted. You can install or repair the component on the local computer.

      If the event originated on another computer, the display information had to be saved with the event.
      The following information was included with the event:

      Subscription licensing service failed: -1073422333

    2. Re:I didn't think this was possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      0xC003FB43 oh thanks Microsoft that's a great fucking help.

      Even for someone who hates systemd, looking up problems in journalctl still seems 1000x more comfortable than using Windows to troubleshoot whatever in the fuck that error code means.

      Just goes to show how spoiled us Linux users are, when even the worst option we have is better than what Windows offers.

  16. That's what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    for using a licensed copy.

    1. Re:That's what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right. My key generator doesn't have this problem at all.

    2. Re:That's what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Full name of this key gen for TPB reference? Please.

    3. Re:That's what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      KMS_VL_ALL
      Warning: Don't get this software from TPB. On TPB you will get 'stuff' that will use your computer to mine BC if you are lucky, or give you ransomware if you are not.

      If only there was a Forum on the Net where these projects and applications could be found, then MyDigitalLife would be complete.

    4. Re:That's what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do NOT talk about the fight club!

    5. Re:That's what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're asking for the *name* of the keygen instead of the *checksum*?

      And this is why Windows users get viruses. Jesus, man, have some respect for your computer and the network it runs on.

    6. Re:That's what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're asking for the *name* of the keygen instead of the *checksum*?

      And this is why Windows users get viruses. Jesus, man, have some respect for your computer and the network it runs on.

      The poster is a Windows user. What do you expect?

  17. Happens to MSDN keys as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just had it popup on 2 systems with MSDN keys. Never had any previous version of Windows on those so the upgrade path is probably a red herring.
    Re-activate with the original keys or another MSDN key doesn't work.

  18. Re:Is Windows still viable as a development plafor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Windows users put up with quite a lot.

    On the business side, stuff like this is regarded as just a cost of doing business.

    On the home side, Linux is scary and doesn't run the right games.

  19. Pro is a shorter license by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows 10 Pro is on either a 6 month or 12 month license renewal. You must pay either every 6 months or every 12 months to keep it activated. It's in the fine print in Chapter 83, Paragraph 12, subsection (c), subparagraph (4), section (b), on page 193 of the EULA.

    Read the shit you agree to, sheeple.

    1. Re:Pro is a shorter license by PincushionMan · · Score: 1

      No no no, the renewals are 180 days if you have Volume Licensed copies, Like Enterprise and Windows 10 LTSB. Then you have to check in with your local KMS (Key Management Server) within that time frame or you get the scary "Not Genuine" and "You might be a victim of software counterfeiting" messages.
      Right now, for Retail and OEM Windows installs, the license for Windows lasts as long as your computer HWID stays the same. However, changing enough of your hardware generates a new HWID and you have to call up MS and beg for a new license. Which right now they do, but I'm sure that'll stop at some point.

  20. Brand New PC with Pro Installed by slomike1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am having that same problem on a new PC which came with Windows 10 Pro installed. Just opened the box last night. -Mike

    1. Re:Brand New PC with Pro Installed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weird, I haven't had that problem on my new PC. -Mike

    2. Re: Brand New PC with Pro Installed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My new PC works just fine - Mike

  21. So this is how they want to make it come true? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    "Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows. Ever"

    Remember that? I was wondering how they want to make it come true, but this is how it's done: By eventually making using it SO uncomfortable that even the most die-hard fan eventually switches to something else.

    Hey, it worked for advertisers trying harder and harder to convince everyone to use adblockers, and lo and behold, they succeeded too eventually.

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  22. New Microsoft's Slogan by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 2

    "Windows 10, by Microsoft. A new day, a new fuck up"

    1. Re:New Microsoft's Slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, that could have been their slogan for, like, forever.

      Their software is so-o-o-o buggy. It's infuriating.

      Thankfully, like you, at home it's all Linux, all the time. I'll go literally years without seeing a bug on my Linux machines.

  23. Some ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EXTORTIONISTS. most unreliable crap ever. This does it, MS OS can't be used for anything reliably. Say goodbye to the proffesional market MS.

  24. They like the abuse! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    It's truly amazing how much abuse some users are willing to take just to use Windows. The only explanation that makes any sense at this point is that they like the abuse.

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    1. Re:They like the abuse! by El+Cubano · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's truly amazing how much abuse some users are willing to take just to use Windows. The only explanation that makes any sense at this point is that they like the abuse.

      I am pretty sure that I have said this before, but for home users the issue is not that they like the abuse. At least, that seems to be the case with the family and other folks who I know who come to me for tech support. Rather, the situation exhibits the classic signs of co-dependency: the person remains in the abusive relationship because they fear that things will actually be worse if they leave the abusive the relationship.

      In fact, I recall one friend, who had a history of tech support problems, who was considering getting a new system and who came to me for advice. About the only thing this person used the computer for was web, email, Facbook, and photos. I recommended a Mac for them instead of a Windows machine and the look on their face was practically terrified. As bad as the problems were they had experienced with Windows, they were yet more afraid of something different.

      Of course, for businesses the situation is really all about institutional inertia.

    2. Re:They like the abuse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, for businesses the situation is really all about institutional inertia.

      And the specialized software that exists in every industry that only runs on Windows.

    3. Re:They like the abuse! by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They don't realise that alternatives exist, or are only aware of Apple but don't have the budget for it...
      Indeed the common perception is that computers are inherently unreliable and insecure and that's just the way it is. This perception is entirely down to microsoft being both ubiquitous and such poor quality for all these years.

      Look at all the tv shows with characters which can trivially hack into any system, or computers which are constantly failing to work correctly - this is the perception that microsoft has generated.

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    4. Re:They like the abuse! by adamanthaea · · Score: 1

      I like OS X. I generally like my old MacBook Pro. But when Apple won't make and sell the hardware I want, I have to decide if I really want to go to all the trouble of making a Hackintosh or if I'd rather just go buy a Dell and deal with Windows. So far, just dealing with Windows has won out. If Apple would start making hardware I want to buy, I'd start buying their computers again.

    5. Re:They like the abuse! by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      It's truly amazing how much abuse some users are willing to take just to use Windows. The only explanation that makes any sense at this point is that they like the abuse.

      Because, apparently, I have to explain this regularly to the Slashdot crowd...

      First off, there is a whole lot of dependency not on Windows, but on Windows applications. I depend on Serato to DJ weddings. I depend on Adobe Production Studio to edit videos. I depend on CompuShow to run my intelligent lights. I depend on Sound Forge and Acronis and Active@ and the fact that if I run into a bizarre corner case I can find a random application on Softpedia, like when I used Remo Repair AVI to, well, repair an AVI file.

      "Well Voyager529, you can't possibly be arguing that everyone needs the ability to run DJ software and render compositions in After Effects...and at least 80% of your Start Menu is open source stuff or has perfectly viable alternatives."
      That's true. However, plenty of people still use iTunes. Plenty of people still use some sort of photo management software, be it Photoshop Elements or ACDSee or similar. My aunt has a Cricut machine. A number of friends have Neat scanners to organize their paperwork. Still others have a workflow which integrates scanner software by Epson or Brother. Even if my applications are different than other people's, it's only folks who live in Google World that believe that believe Chrome is a fully functional operating system.

      But let's assume for a moment that we limit ourselves to people whose software needs can be comprehensively met with what Mint provides, either out of the box, or its App-Store-by-any-other-name. We're dealing with all sorts of hardware. Let's talk printer/scanners. Sure, they'll probably spit documents on paper (though I'm sure some low-end ones will be a mess even at that), but which subset of features will still function is a toss-up. Duplex printing? Paper profiles? Draft/BW/HQ/Photo printing profiles? Double sided scanning from the ADF? Auto detecting multiple photos on the glass and saving each of them as individual JPEGs? Triggering a scan from the touch screen panel? That's just one example of functionality that might have to be given up to move to Linux, but hardware support often is somewhere between research-prior-to-purchasing, or outright luck of the draw from an end user's perspective. Linux has indeed gotten Wi-Fi chipsets down, but audio can sometimes still be hit-or-miss on some laptops, suspend modes and function keys aren't a given, integrated webcams are guesswork...and just to be clear, this is not a dig at Linux developers, who I know do a whole lot of work to do as much as they can for a constantly moving target. The problem is that, from an end user's perspective, if one of these things doesn't work, there's nobody they can call. HP isn't going to support anything but the version of Windows the machine ships with, what's the OEM who even makes a webcam that shows up in Device Manager as BisonCam (who is going to say 'call HP' anyway), and it's not like calling 1-800-PENGUIN is going to get them phone support for Ubuntu.

      But, let's assume we're talking about an end user who is still rocking an HP Laserjet 4050 at home, and has been given a System76 laptop so there is no hardware incompatibilities and what they do can be adequately handled with LibreOffice and Firefox on Mint. Best case scenario, right? You're still dealing with end users.

      End users don't understand how the magical boxes do the things. Some are a bit better than others, but a whole lot of people know how to perform the handful of tasks they need to perform, and that's about it. The files-and-folders paradigm doesn't always make sense to them. Window focus doesn't always make sense to them. Command line utilization is outright wizardry. That's not a dig at these people, either - most of them have talents in other areas where I am hopelessly incompetent. To move these users to Linux, even to Mint, is going to require retraining...i

    6. Re:They like the abuse! by anegg · · Score: 1

      It's funny, Apple could (perhaps) be really cleaning up right now because of things like Microsoft's Windows 10 strategy and execution... but because Apple has chosen to go their own high $$$ route with hardware, Microsoft's issues don't translate into mass switching to Apple.

      I tend to prefer Apple hardware and O/S (I'm typing this on a 2013 iMac, and I have a 2015 MacBook Pro 15 inch), but it was tough finding my last MacBook Pro at a price that I was wiling to pay (ended up buying used through the Internet). Apple's switch to SSDs seemed to be a license to bump prices through the roof. Their phones seem to be going the same way. I couldn't make a case for a Mac for my daughter who just started college; she ended up with a Dell 15 inch business class laptop running Windows 10. It will be interesting to see where things are in a couple of years.

    7. Re:They like the abuse! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, I know all the justifications but what it really amounts to is laziness. You are unwilling to find an analog or do any leg work to actually get away from Windows. Whenever you invest in something new, you should consider if it will tie you down to Windows. However, no, that's not your plan because you are the lazy user who rather be abused than put in the effort. So yeah, you like the abuse.

      Don't believe me? How long have you dual booted so that you only have to deal with Windows for the amount of time that you are working? The answer is alwasy the same: 0 days.

      Keep praying that the next service pack doesn't delete your files. :)

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    8. Re:They like the abuse! by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      but what it really amounts to is laziness

      Much as I love seeing a diverse ecosystem of different platforms, I think telling people they're "lazy" for sticking with Windows is missing the point and doesn't mean what you think it means: it means "we" (those of us who advocate for other platforms) haven't done our job making the alternatives easy enough.

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    9. Re:They like the abuse! by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      but what it really amounts to is laziness

      You say 'you're too lazy to find something 'good enough' or to make your own tool to do what you want, I say 'it's more efficient to just use the tool that already works.'

      Do you suggest that people who need to nail two pieces of wood together learn blacksmithing so they can forge a hammer and nails?

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    10. Re:They like the abuse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah to find an analog you spend time on just to discover it doesn't do everything you need, or no longer has any support so those damn shared libraries get updated and the analog breaks?

    11. Re: They like the abuse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what his last line means.

    12. Re:They like the abuse! by flood78 · · Score: 1

      After my MBP 2011 almost died I had to decide which way to go... but Apple decided to be a luxury brand now... so I quit.
      Spending between $3000 and $5000 on a laptop is kind of crazy so I decided to give a try to Windows 10 with WSL. I was quite surprised that Windows 10 was much better than 7 or 8 and very fast! And with WSL I'm pretty happy to get a Linux console anytime I need.
      But yesterday, after a Windows Update, I got this "Activate Windows" issue... just to remind me that anything can still happen with Microsoft.

    13. Re:They like the abuse! by dyfet · · Score: 1

      Stockholm syndrome...

    14. Re:They like the abuse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " I recall one friend, who had a history of tech support problems, who was considering getting a new system and who came to me for advice"

      Similar situation with me today. My sister texted me saying her [Windows] computer was a piece of crap (functioning slowly and strangely) and asked me to keep an eye out for a deal. It's from 2012. I'm guessing the damn thing is fine because 2012 isn't exactly ancient. I offered to install Linux on it next time I see her and she said she's game to try it. My wife is happy with her 2008 Macbook running Linux Mint - hasn't had a single issue since I installed it about 6 months ago.
      Small wins, one user at a time. :)

    15. Re: They like the abuse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Windows 10 is testing my patience with the amount of work it takes to beat it into submission."

      I don't know what mental contortions you are putting yourself through to justify any of this.

      Just say "NO" to Win10.

    16. Re:They like the abuse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I switched to Apple when Win10 came out and Microsoft did everything they could to my Win7 box to make me "upgrade".

      I don't like a lot of things Apple does, but every time I start to think about maybe going back to Windows, something like this pops up again to remind me that I'd be a fool to go back. I plan on getting one of the new Mac Minis next year, as my Macbook Pro is starting to get a bit long in the tooth. Yes, they're too expensive, but not as expensive in time and frustration as using Windows is.

      I'm no gamer, but I did miss playing the occasional game on Windows, since I don't use the Win7 box much anymore. So I bought a PS4. Problem solved.

    17. Re:They like the abuse! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Oh come on, macOS isn't complicated and has plenty of software for it.

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    18. Re:They like the abuse! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      i don't know how Apple could make it any easier.

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    19. Re:They like the abuse! by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      Microsoft customers don't like the abuse. They like the infrastructure.

      Look back to the 80's and see how many computer companies there were. Most of them beat the snot out of the laughably bad IBM PC and its horrible Intel processor and garbage Microsoft OS. They all died because they were incompatible, refused to work together, and didn't cultivate their communities effectively. Even Apple was always teetering on the edge of bankruptcy until they decided to quit making computers and start making gadgets with their own, unique ecosystem.

      This is why Linux has been around for 25 years and still hasn't gained traction, despite rabid proclamations that Windows would be dead any day now. Alternatives won't become popular when Microsoft crosses the line. They will become popular when they get better. I gave Mint another try recently, and I was aghast at how badly it works. Trying to uninstall the "Talking Cow" application breaks the system core and renders the machine unbootable? Really?

      I recommended a Mac for them instead of a Windows machine and the look on their face was practically terrified.

      Of course, because they know very well that different does not mean better. You're just trading problems for different ones.

      I worked with Macs for over 10 years and owned two of them. I will never own an Apple product again. You seem to be under the impression that Apple is not a greater control freak than Microsoft, and Apple machines don't have their own massive list issues. At least with a PC, I have the choice of what hardware and drivers I can use, and what budget I want, even if the OS is the same.

    20. Re:They like the abuse! by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 1

      " I recommended a Mac for them instead of a Windows machine and the look on their face was practically terrified. As bad as the problems were they had experienced with Windows, they were yet more afraid of something different."

      Or put another way, they are scared by something far far worse. People know about apple at this point in the game, trust me on that. Vendor lockin - they wrote the book. Good luck getting software without an apple ID. Pioneered always on, always tracking, always cloud, computing. The odd one out, the hipster misfit, too cool for me? too cool for you! whats that? you blinked and its now obsolete! expect to pay $$$$ and get that world class 1 year warranty.

      The problem is for an apple user, all the above are virtues, so it really is horrific when you meet that kind of user. And so it does follow that the proper response is to look horrified and slowly back away.

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    21. Re:They like the abuse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Software compatibility isn't a problem between distros. Just repackage the software if it doesn't come in your distro's repositories. Do it by hand, use a tool such as alien or rpm2deb, write a build script, look it up on the openSUSE build service, use a fucking snap, it's not like you don't have options.

      Also, how in the fuck do you brick your installation by uninstalling cowsay?

      You are full of shit.

    22. Re:They like the abuse! by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      but what it really amounts to is laziness

      You say 'you're too lazy to find something 'good enough' or to make your own tool to do what you want, I say 'it's more efficient to just use the tool that already works.'

      Do you suggest that people who need to nail two pieces of wood together learn blacksmithing so they can forge a hammer and nails?

      You are pretending that the tool works. It is more like trying to hammer in those nails using a screwdriver instead of a hammer. And everyone tells you there is a better way, but you must use the MS screwer because you liked getting screwed.

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    23. Re:They like the abuse! by strikethree · · Score: 1

      . About the only thing this person used the computer for was web, email, Facbook, and photos. I recommended a Mac for them instead of a Windows machine and the look on their face was practically terrified.

      Of course. Why would a Mac be better? Corporate ownership. Fucked up ideas on DRM. "Feature" updates in addition to Security updates. Yeah, a Mac is NOT a safe choice.

      I normally frown on trying to sell Linux to the unwashed masses, but in this situation, a live DVD of Linux Mint or somesuch would have done wonders.

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  25. Not only those you did upgrade paths... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a laptop which has a key attached from purchase time whith Windows 10 Pro. I am also getting the issue of being told I need to activate and when I run the troubleshooter, it says I need to wipe and load Windows Home as that is the digital license key that is attached.

    1. Re:Not only those you did upgrade paths... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      KMSPico, problem solved.

  26. Re:Is Windows still viable as a development plafor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the home side, Linux is scary and doesn't run the right games.

    It's not scary. I ran it for years. I just see little use for a gaming PC that doesn't play the games I want.

  27. Re: Is Windows still viable as a development plafo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, you can run Windows games in Linux with Steam now.

  28. Does Win 10 Pro call home on every boot up? by Streetlight · · Score: 2

    Windows 7 user here, so I don't quite understand how this problem could happen unless your Win 10 Pro machine calls home when it's powered up, restored from hibernation or sleep, or at random times, and has lost the Win 10 Pro upgrade key.

    This problem and the bricking of some PCs that updated to 1809 makes me wonder about ever updating to Win 10. That version has apparently been pulled. Microsoft's QC army, read end users, reported this problem to the development team and it was ignored. A second group of Windows developers is working on 1903, or whatever it's called, presumably for a spring, 2019, update. What surprises will that version have? We should be excited to learn about new problems.

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    1. Re: Does Win 10 Pro call home on every boot up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a Win 7 Pro machine that decided yesterday it was not authenticated. I wonder if it is related.

    2. Re:Does Win 10 Pro call home on every boot up? by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Another Windows 7 user here. I have made the firm decision that i won't run Windows 10 at home, nor will do so any our family member. I will also try to avoid using it at work by all means except losing my job.

      Windows 7 is the last Windows I will use privately. After it becomes completely useless (will take a long time since most applications now are good enough), I'll switch to a Linux distro I don't dislike, like Devuan or maybe FreeBSD.

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    3. Re: Does Win 10 Pro call home on every boot up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "wonder about ever updating to Win 10"

      Wonder no more: do not do it!

    4. Re:Does Win 10 Pro call home on every boot up? by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Windows 7 user here, so I don't quite understand how this problem could happen unless your Win 10 Pro machine calls home when it's powered up, restored from hibernation or sleep, or at random times, and has lost the Win 10 Pro upgrade key.

      Linux user here.

      Windows 10 is constantly "reactivating" itself. At any point in time, if a reactivation is not received, it goes into "I'm stolen!" mode.

      In other words, the continued operation of your computer relies on having a network connection to the mothership. Game companies originated this idea of "always connected DRM". Now, it is in your operating system too.

      Why participate? We all know, especially Richard Stallman, what the end result will be.

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    5. Re: Does Win 10 Pro call home on every boot up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a Windows 8.1 Pro machine that is running perfectly fine. Of course I disabled updates right before Windows 10 came out, so it's been rock solid, compatible and secure by my own doing. It never crashes, it runs most Windows software from 95 to current and has never been infected with anything.

      I'll never downgrade to Windows 10.

  29. Microsoft: No one is managing? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 0

    Apparently Microsoft is internally very disorganized. A previous comment of mine:

    Microsoft is poorly managed? Plenty of evidence. (Oct. 20, 2018)

  30. Seriously - who proofreads these submissions? by cob666 · · Score: 1
    This is from the headline for the story:

    Windows 10 Pro Users Say Their PCs Are No Longer Activated And Are Been Prompted To Downgrade

    How long does it take to make sure that the story heading is grammatically correct?

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    1. Re:Seriously - who proofreads these submissions? by mentil · · Score: 1

      They were going to fix it but then this Windows Activation prompt popped up for some reason...

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  31. Reminder that ReactOS dosen't have activation. by xack · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If more people volunteered for ReactOS we could have a viable Windows Compatible OS.

    1. Re: Reminder that ReactOS dosen't have activation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Though, there are three big projects that are worthy of our time, effort, and donation (off possible).

      ReactOS

      WINE

      Mono

      Together, this three projects can break the "oh I need Windows for X" mentality of so many home and business users.

      Gaming is a different kettle of fish.

  32. Curious George by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many IT pros keep saying how horrible MS is, switch, to ??? linux. But M$oft exists, is a top company, and is used by 99% of businesses. Interesting that a shoddy poor quality software company is still in business and has NO viable competitors in the business community. Even IBM is finally dying, as well as CA. Hell, Oracle is in survival mode as well.

    1. Re:Curious George by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you also think that Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga are better musicians than Mozart because they make more money and get more play than Mozart did in his lifetime?

      Let me provide you with some free wisdom, kid. Popularity is not an indicator of quality.

  33. Re: Is Windows still viable as a development plafo by Phusion · · Score: 0

    You can run some Windows games in Linux with steam now... the ones they could easily port / modify. Sadly if you want anything new or just a AAA title, you're still stuck with Windows. So many cry babies here, boo hoo it deactivated itself for a bit, it must be a horrible OS. jeeze..

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  34. you dont own your OS any more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If i am reading this right, microsoft servers are deactivating licences now?

    So what this actually says is that at any point in time Microsoft can just magically say "nope, your operating system is invalid, please pay us to validate your operating system"

    ooh boy, I feel sorry for anyone that does any form of support in the future. Sure Microsoft may never do that intentionally, but then if the system can easily suffer from such a failure then what other failures can possibly be waiting in the wings. This one happened to people with Pro licenses but what happens if the next one is on the server side and AD/DC servers stop working?

  35. Re:Is Windows still viable as a development plafor by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

    On the home side, Linux is scary and doesn't run the right games.

    Really?
    https://www.protondb.com/

  36. Add the bitlocker default "choose HW encryption" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Add the bitlocker default "choose HW encryption" to the recent list of "Whoopsie-doodle" to which MS has subjected us. Bitlocker will choose the HDD/SSD hardware encryption by default, foregoing its own, superior encryption. In some cases, the hardware encryption is an algorithm of X=X;

  37. Of course, KMSPico works just fine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which is why if you are going to be using Windows 10 you just use KMSPico to activate it and not have to deal with any of the bullshit. Even better, you can easily upgrade to the Enterprise edition at no additional cost.

    1. Re: Of course, KMSPico works just fine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

    2. Re:Of course, KMSPico works just fine. by couchslug · · Score: 1

      Truth. I never bother with online activation and I prefer not to connect my Windows VMs to the internet.

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  38. Upgrade path for the new millenium by Typing_Ptarmigan · · Score: 1

    Here's my upgrade path: MS Windows 95 -> MS Windows 95 OSR2 -> MS Windows 98 -> MS Windows 98 SE -> Linux.

  39. Re: Is Windows still viable as a development plafo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, it absolutely is. Our development team uses Windows exclusively when developing. We have zero OS issues. Our production servers are primarily Linux (no GUI).

  40. Re:Add the bitlocker default "choose HW encryption by Bert64 · · Score: 1

    It's actually perfectly reasonable to use hardware acceleration by default when the hardware claims to support it, the problem there is shoddy hardware making false claims.

    This is also caused by black box security products, they claim to do something (encrypt your data) but don't disclose enough about how and just expect you to trust them.. How many more vendors are hiding crap like this that just hasn't been discovered yet?

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  41. Activating... by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

    The whole idea that i need to depend on a outside party whom i lease my software from , so that I own nothing and have no control over my own computing environment does not sit well with me. It seems it should not sit well with anyone, but perhaps I'm just getting to be an old foggie.

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    1. Re:Activating... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, this mode of thinking, of having no property, is becoming the norm. Everything cloud based, everything a service model. Millenniums are being indoctrinated into this. Sad. No property rights = no rights.

    2. Re: Activating... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just let em burn...

    3. Re: Activating... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would if they were the last humans. I don't give a shit about millennials, I care about the generation after them though. I am gen x and my child is gen z (or whatever comes after "gen why" AKA millennials). I want gen z to do well but millennials can fuck off.

  42. Store users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is also affecting users that used the store to buy a digital license.

  43. No way this is happening. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just noticed aswell,
    Nothing changed hardwarewise , yet it's gone. No way to reactivate.
    Now if microsoft thinks i'm gonna reinstall win 8 , upgrade to 8 pro then to 8.1 pro and then to win 10 , they are gravely mistaken.
    I got a licence for win 10 that way AND i got one from the insider program, yet none work.

    Windows Ransomeware anyone ?

    Windows 10 1809 : The gift that keeps on giving...

    1. Re:No way this is happening. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just use KMSPico.

  44. Training for Subscription OS? by I75BJC · · Score: 1

    Not that I use M$ anymore -- dumped M$ over 15 years ago at home and left a mixed/M$ shop 6 years ago, but it seems that M$ might have their Subscription OS mechanism up and running. I mean, they've already implemented Subscription M$Office so the Subscription M$OS is probably in their corporate pipeline. Just an early test. (And why does your PC have to check in with M$ "Activation Servers" anyway? It wasn't like that in the "old days".)

    1. Re:Training for Subscription OS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stopped using Microsoft products about 12 years ago.

      I also stopped using a dollar sign in place of the letter 's' about 11 years ago. Doesn't it get old for you?

  45. Windows 7 FTW, for the forever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unbelievable..

    1. Re: Windows 7 FTW, for the forever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad some new hardware is not properly compatible with 7.

    2. Re: Windows 7 FTW, for the forever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it is.

      Shame MS is spreading FUD about their old OS to force/trick people to "upgrade" to Win10.

  46. Candy Crush by sbillard · · Score: 1

    A fresh format install of Win 10 Pro includes candy crush and other crap by default. If I am the product (my eyeballs), then the OS should be free. Why does a "Pro" OS come with all this bloat?

  47. Deeper problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Outlook 2010 does not show file dialogs (for example, to Save as...) when in high contrast mode anymore, not since 1809, so when I have to do just that in Excel, I can't. Why? Because I can't change themes unless this is activated. And it's not activated. I AM PISSED OFF!

  48. metoo movement for slashdot by AndrewFlagg · · Score: 1

    I wish there was a bump button on slash dot to say #metooslashdot .. something like that. ;-) happened to me last week on a few laptops. i just waited for the msft azure network to self heal..

  49. Assumed our company key got disabled, wasted morn by jbridges · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wasted a few hours on this insanity this morning.

    My final solution (tried many options) was to use some tools from Ratborus.

    KMS Clean to remove my existing key, and then W10 Digital Activation with KMS38 option.

    It now says:
    Windows(R), Professional edition:
        Volume activation will expire 1/18/2038

    Now where do I send an Invoice to Microsoft for wasting my morning on this BS?

    If you need a copy of KMS Tools Portable, it's here
    https://www.solidfiles.com/fol...

    The password is part of the filename, so for the latest version:
    KMS_Tools_Portable_01.11.2018_password_1234567890987654321.7z

    The password is 1234567890987654321

  50. Microsoft incompetent anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hard to stick up for Microsoft anymore, heads should have rolled long time ago. Maybe not enough of the Windows team take anything seriously anymore. Used to be you activated Windows once and that was it, now it appears it calls home every time Windows update is run and if it can't confirm the license it kicks you out. Yeah it really makes me want to use even more Microsoft services, NOT.

  51. You got a peek at what's to come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    M$ is working on making you PAY for Windows every 6 months to one year. The software that controls this hiccuped and deactivated Windows. Soon you will be getting warnings that your PC is about to become deactivated unless you update (Pay) your subscription. Yeah, Fuck M$. Already made the move from Win7 to Mint. Enough of this horse shit.

    1. Re:You got a peek at what's to come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anyone who was paying attention years ago when they did a a region-restricted test of a subscription model knows a windows subscription is coming...

      it's not 'if', but 'when'. we've already got the office part, and tying to microsoft accounts, and 'corporate' and 'business' windows is getting shoved towards subscription versions by the removal of features and control from windows pro....

      "windows 10 will be the last windows you ever buy"
      -microsoft

      yup.

      because the next one will be a rental only.

  52. Get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google: Removewat 2.2.9 Windows 7, 8, 8.1 & 10 Activator

  53. I had the issue just now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had bought Win 10 Pro digital download from amazon and upgraded my system from Home. Today I saw the message that I needed to activate Windows but the Activation section of the new settings app pretty much told me to get lost and it couldn't do anything.

    I found the following Software Licensing Manager command and was able to activate.
    I just ran
    slmgr /ipk my-license-key
    from an elevated command prompt then slmgr /ato
    Microsoft needs to take a serious introspective look at how they treat their customers and pull their heads from their rears.

  54. Microsoft and Windows 10 is just a big flaming dis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What a colossal embarassment on their part. The whole idea of Windows 10 is going to be the downfall of Microsoft.

  55. I seriously doubt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That gerbils use Windows 10 Home.

  56. Re: Is Windows still viable as a development plafo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So why not dual boot? Use windows only to game, and boot to Linux to do real work. Problem solved since 1990

  57. Re: Is Windows still viable as a development plaf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must like putting up with peoples shit. Does it make your dick hard?

  58. Why is MS still charging for their OS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's Office that's keeping users captive to Windows. A shitty (and costly) OS experience only nudges those who can closer to pursuing productivity alternatives.

  59. Re:Assumed our company key got disabled, wasted mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't use APKTools? They not only solve problems like this, except for the key not working issue, but also host files.

  60. Mine is bigger than yours. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot version of penis measuring

  61. Fixed at around 4:30 PM (US/Eastern) by aaron44126 · · Score: 1

    Seems to be fixed now, multiple users reporting successful reactivation (including me!).

  62. What retard wrote the fucking title? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use fucking spell check once in a while.

  63. Re:Add the bitlocker default "choose HW encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's not hardware acceleration. That's abdication of responsibility.

  64. Re:Is Windows still viable as a development plafor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agree with parent. ProtonDB/Wine looks good on paper, but really, doesn't support most of what I'd like to play. I haven't played half of the assassin's creed games yet
    I play heroes of the storm daily, which works...only on lowest graphics settings.
    gta 5 doesn't seem to work either, unless stuttering is acceptable. Pretty much anything that I would like to play has some major issues.
    At least world of warcraft seems to work, which I've been considering playing again.

    I use lightroom for my hobby photography as well, which kind of works, but only when you are lucky.

  65. Re: Is Windows still viable as a development plafo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows is not a viable develop target.

    I've been a long term .NET developer and am moving all projects away from Windows.

    What may absolutely shock you is how good Mono is. I can spin up a Visual Studio C# project and compile a Windows Forms application. Then transfer the files to the Linux Desktop (in this case Linux Mint) and double click the exe file and that fucker runs. And runs well and supports a huge part of the application space.

  66. Re:Is Windows still viable as a development plafor by lexman098 · · Score: 1

    Yes, really. The page you linked to is basically advertising a 50% success rate (and at what performance degradation).

  67. Use MS to play computer games by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    When MS has a problem your games are the only things to have to consider.
    Do work on real OS.

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  68. Re: Is Windows still viable as a development plafo by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Professional operating systems do not deactivate themselves for specious reasons. Therefore, Win 10 Pro is not worthy of the "Pro" nomenclature, and customers of Win 10 Pro are not getting what they paid for.

    Those "cry babies" you refer to? They are more accurately known as irate customers who paid for a professional-grade product, and damn sure have the right to be mad when shit like this happens.

  69. Re:Assumed our company key got disabled, wasted mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh crap. You'll summon it.

  70. Re:Is Windows still viable as a development plafor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows users put up with quite a lot.

    On the business side, stuff like this is regarded as just a cost of doing business.

    And seeing competitors that doesn't have such costs. Must be fun!

    On the home side, Linux is scary and doesn't run the right games.

    If all you care about are the latest games that the stores try to push. There are plenty of Linux games. Games you don't get tired of in a week, because they aren't designed to get boring fast so you buy another.

  71. Re:And every one of them are pirates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually I think the pirates may be the ones who escape this unscathed. All of my pirated windows 10 installations are perfectly fine and completely up to date. Piracy wins again.

  72. Remember... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you used to buy software and own it?

  73. Re: Is Windows still viable as a development plaf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like you have very low-end needs from an OS and don't mind tinkering with broken systems. True, Linux has some bugs, but you can fix them yourself and after that it can usually be left alone for years, without shenanigance and annoyances.

  74. Re: Assumed our company key got disabled, wasted m by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I try to avoid using my remaining Windows 10 laptop for fear of MS breaking it; if they do succeed in breaking it and I'm faced with fixing it like what you had to do, then I really give up and will reformat that computer with some other os

  75. Re: Is Windows still viable as a development plafo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better yet, virtualize Windows with a dedicated GPU on the VM. No need to reboot anymore.

  76. Never activate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use a sane operating system that does not phone home to big brother demanding that you once again pay for what you already own. Run Linux instead; it really doesn't care what you do with it. I ditched Windows around 2002, when my Windows XP registry got corrupted. You really won't miss Windows. Everything is so much faster and better with Linux.

  77. Re:Is Windows still viable as a development plafor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's OK, all of the Assassin's Creed games are crap and so is Ubisoft.

    Fortunately all of the good Deus Ex games (everything except that piece of shit mobile conversion "The Fall") is rated gold or better.

    Sounds like you just need higher standards for games.

  78. Re:Is Windows still viable as a development plafor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haha, true. Maybe this is the reason, I've been putting them off for a while.

    Nonetheless, while the guys behind proton are doing great work, it is still a 50/50 chance that the game you start to crave will actually work.

  79. Activators and VMs by couchslug · · Score: 1

    Clean activation has been a thing for MANY years. Forget whatever you imagine to be so and visit appropriate fora like MDL.
    Windows has its uses so most of my installs live in VMs on Linux hosts which don't connect to the internet. I've downloaded many clean .isos (checksums, what are they?) over the years and activated with no problems. If in doubt, take a clean snapshot before activating so you can revert. Remember MSFT and AV companies flag activators as malware. Know what you are doing and that's no worry.
    Take my post for nothing but do find out for yourself.

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  80. That's the way to do it. by couchslug · · Score: 1

    I see no reason to activate Windows conventionally and haven't in many years. I don't need to give MSFT access to my installs so I don't.

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  81. Some users require Windows applications. by couchslug · · Score: 1

    Some users require Windows applications. CAD software comes to mind. I use whatever serves me with zerofucks given, but I prefer to contain Windows in VMs and I take snapshots before updating. My VMs aren't connected to the internet.

    I don't activate Windows online. Clean .isos and activators work fine.

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  82. Re: Is Windows still viable as a development plafo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better yet, use Wine and/or Proton. You can avoid having to touch Microsoft's proprietary, third-world cut and paste garbage code entirely.

    In recent years, Wine has made HUGE strides. Now with the backing of Valve, Proton (which will have its updates folded back into Wine) is really kicking ass out of the gate. Windows is dead and obsolete. In ten more years, people will be saying things like "Remember back in the dark ages when we had to use Windows??" and have a good laugh at Microsoft's expense.