People still blaming the cops on this one. Get a clue, please.
We have a clue. The police responded to a complete anonymous tip with deadly force and no attempt to even identify what the situation is let alone diffuse it. In any other country the police officer would be in jail. There are levels of escalation and the side with an overwhelming advantage in this one sided confrontation responded with unwarranted deadly force.
Have you seen the Hateful Eight? "Anybody moves a little weird....little sudden--gonna get a bullet. Not a warning. Not a question; a bullet. Let me hear you say, 'I got it'." See even fucking Quentin Tarantino when writing a bloodbath knows how to communicate a warning.
The swatter orchestrated an incredibly dangerous situation and is the one to blame for this
You've boiled a complicated situation escalated by many people down to blaming a single person. You sir are an idiot.
the most uncivilized elements of humankind must be dealt with
100% correct. Trigger happy police officers who shoot unarmed people must be dealt with.
I am merely grateful
Why are you grateful that the very people who protect you are so fucking trigger happy that they are likely to shoot you when you call for help, even if you're tiny white woman in her bathrobe? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Interactions with police are an example of a clash of an unpleasant element of society, but in the USA it is for all the wrong reasons.
Errr. Those are thermal characteristics of components, especially in the automotive side of things. Actually integrating that into a complete design that actually works through the range of those temperatures *environmentally* (remember he didn't specify 60C is his max SoC temperature) is incredibly bloody difficult. You got a chip that's qualified for that temperature at ambient. Does that include loading the chip to it's max ratings while at that temperature or is that in typical operation. Your ambient temperature is at the same limit as your chip, are you 100% certain you designed your system to not include any other heat-source in the same enclosure? Did you derate the result accordingly? Does the rating still apply if you've conformally coated the circuit board?
Don't be fooled into thinking designing something for extreme weather is easy. Even many certified industrial components have lovely caveats that they only guarantee a certain minimal functionality at the extreme ends of the temperature range.
"Having the thermal throttle kicking in and not letting you have 200fps on whatever thing you're trying to emulate in RetroPi"
!= "I won't be able to take a shot every now and then".
"Being thermally challenged at room temperature" also != "systems that will work in temperature ranges from -35F to 140F (-37C to 60C) for an engineering project"
Leave your toys in the cupboard where they belong. There are countless more suitable options out there in the world than throwing *the cheapest* toy at the problem.
It's SoC is qualified for -40 to +85
What the SoC is qualified for is completely irrelevant as that qualification does not take into account the final integrated solution. Your raspberry pi will not work (not may not work, not could not work, but "will" not work) if you put it in a box and heat that box up to 85C and if you read the very next sentence from your source it says: "but we're not qualifying the board itself to these extremes" Mind you the comment is absurd on the face of it given the problems people have with it at barely above room temperature.
Your toy is a great suggestion if you have a $35 budget. But leave it at that.
most ARM hardware is at least "industrial" temperature
I think you'll find "most" ARM hardware is in cheap toys and gadgets that barely work outside of room temperature. But if your point was that there is oooodles of ARM hardware available that suits industry then you're most definitely correct. But that is the exception not the norm.
A lot of ARM systems (even raspberry PI) will live life fine at 60C.
NO!. A Raspberry Pi, unless you're talking about one of the industrial hardened ones will definitely not "live life fine" at 60C. In fact at that temperature it will thermally throttle at no load and be utterly useless. It is barely able to run at load on a hot day if you don't have the AC on.
Not the smartphone as you know it, precisely because you only know iPhone and Android. But J2ME basically was the underlying platform for every other phone in the world.
The fact that it was a bucket of shit not withstanding.
Why doesn't America just shoot half the population. I mean that would have a bigger net positive impact on the environment than your suggestion so let's go with that.
Oh...hold on..... No it won't. Because the EU isn't the problem, and the USA isn't the problem.
Indians shit on the street. Which means it's okay for you to go an shit in the street. After all it's Indias fault. We all live on our own little earth and me throwing a plastic cup on the ground is okay because someone else did it too. waaaaahhhhh.
I take it you're a Trump voter. No that wasn't a question.
It's well documented that approximately 90% of garbage is sourced from major Asian and African rivers.
It's well documented in the headlines of news articles which didn't actually read the study. No the reality is that the amount of garbage entering the oceans through rivers is tiny. The amount of plastic waste is between 5-15% depending on the study.
And when you go back to your news article that shows that 90% of plastic in the oceans goes through a couple of major rivers read carefully and you'll notice the quote is that 90% of garbage in the ocean *that comes from rivers* does so through only a couple of rivers in Asia and Africa.
Journal articles, not news headlines. The former educate, the latter just make people stupid.
And most of that enters the sea from a single river.
*sigh*. Another person who read the headline rather than the report. I hate to break it to you but no where near that... little... plastic enters the oceans through rivers. Now do yourself a favour, find the news article with the headline you looked up and actually read the report behind it. Look at the conclusions, then look at the study (notice how it was a study of only plastic that goes into rivers), and then look at the references to find a link to how much plastic actually goes in the ocean through rivers.
All the while remember, Indians shit on the street, then go outside and shit in your own street smug in the reality that it's India's fault.
Thermal management for high temperature is easily managed. You're very concerned about the high temperature when that is the easy one to deal with. Any ARM chip thermally bonded to the side of the case / large heatsink which is somehow externally accessible and allows minimal airflow should be able to handle the upper side of your temperature requirement.
Your problem will be at the other end. Sustained electrical performance at -37C is something many components are not rated for. Even in industry there are problems sourcing instruments that handle that kind of temperature. We had many industrial systems fail during the last polar vortex including an industrial PLC mounted in external cabinets.
Your problem will be you somehow need to design a heating system which isn't defeated by your cooling system. That's an especially tough task if you're talking about passive systems for cooling.
Look, I'm all for reading a good anti IoT rant, but there's nothing "IoT", "new", or "fad" in using IR communications to configure equipment in the oil industry. This is literally the way it's been done for 40 years.
Done. No need for more people. In fact I'm perfectly happy with "express" petrol stations which is just a pump somewhere and no need to interact with anyone.
Aren't people free to buy the bulbs they want to buy?
Yes. People are free to do whatever they want. It's how we got to royally screwing the planet in the first place. People make poor decisions, don't think long term, don't think lifecycle cost, and don't think in externalities.
If you're buying residential lighting with a built in fan then holy fuck are you ever doing it wrong. There's wrong, there's "wtf that's wrong" and then there's this in a league of it's own "sexconker buying a lightbulb wrong".
As an outsider this is all quite funny. Obama and Trump are no different. They are products of a system. The only truly stupid thing in American politics are the American people who think an issue is red or blue. The reality is you all look like bumbling idiots
Thus, even very large reductions in residential power use result in very small changes to total power use.
Yeah if we can't find something to massively reduce power use we shouldn't both working on small easy things./signed: An American living in the country with the highest home energy usage per household in the world.
Screw you for not putting the effort into a whopping 6% of your waste.
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People still blaming the cops on this one. Get a clue, please.
We have a clue. The police responded to a complete anonymous tip with deadly force and no attempt to even identify what the situation is let alone diffuse it. In any other country the police officer would be in jail. There are levels of escalation and the side with an overwhelming advantage in this one sided confrontation responded with unwarranted deadly force.
Have you seen the Hateful Eight? "Anybody moves a little weird....little sudden--gonna get a bullet. Not a warning. Not a question; a bullet. Let me hear you say, 'I got it'." See even fucking Quentin Tarantino when writing a bloodbath knows how to communicate a warning.
The swatter orchestrated an incredibly dangerous situation and is the one to blame for this
You've boiled a complicated situation escalated by many people down to blaming a single person. You sir are an idiot.
Imagine that you are one of the police officers responding to this unknown
In many civilised countries the police officer wouldn't even be armed, sure as fuck not for some anonymous call.
the most uncivilized elements of humankind must be dealt with
100% correct. Trigger happy police officers who shoot unarmed people must be dealt with.
I am merely grateful
Why are you grateful that the very people who protect you are so fucking trigger happy that they are likely to shoot you when you call for help, even if you're tiny white woman in her bathrobe? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Interactions with police are an example of a clash of an unpleasant element of society, but in the USA it is for all the wrong reasons.
Because it's part of a wider and very worrying trend of tech companies deciding to expunge people from the record for wrongthink.
Or maybe they paid $2.5bn for not having to give credit to some dude they no longer care about. .... nah must be some wrongthink conspiracy.
The police gun down whoever's in the way. Its not a racial thing
And yet somehow you're far more likely to be gunned down as a black man than as a white man for a 100% identical interaction with police.
Errr. Those are thermal characteristics of components, especially in the automotive side of things. Actually integrating that into a complete design that actually works through the range of those temperatures *environmentally* (remember he didn't specify 60C is his max SoC temperature) is incredibly bloody difficult. You got a chip that's qualified for that temperature at ambient. Does that include loading the chip to it's max ratings while at that temperature or is that in typical operation. Your ambient temperature is at the same limit as your chip, are you 100% certain you designed your system to not include any other heat-source in the same enclosure? Did you derate the result accordingly? Does the rating still apply if you've conformally coated the circuit board?
Don't be fooled into thinking designing something for extreme weather is easy. Even many certified industrial components have lovely caveats that they only guarantee a certain minimal functionality at the extreme ends of the temperature range.
"Having the thermal throttle kicking in and not letting you have 200fps on whatever thing you're trying to emulate in RetroPi"
!=
"I won't be able to take a shot every now and then".
"Being thermally challenged at room temperature" also != "systems that will work in temperature ranges from -35F to 140F (-37C to 60C) for an engineering project"
Leave your toys in the cupboard where they belong. There are countless more suitable options out there in the world than throwing *the cheapest* toy at the problem.
It's SoC is qualified for -40 to +85
What the SoC is qualified for is completely irrelevant as that qualification does not take into account the final integrated solution. Your raspberry pi will not work (not may not work, not could not work, but "will" not work) if you put it in a box and heat that box up to 85C and if you read the very next sentence from your source it says: "but we're not qualifying the board itself to these extremes" Mind you the comment is absurd on the face of it given the problems people have with it at barely above room temperature.
Your toy is a great suggestion if you have a $35 budget. But leave it at that.
most ARM hardware is at least "industrial" temperature
I think you'll find "most" ARM hardware is in cheap toys and gadgets that barely work outside of room temperature. But if your point was that there is oooodles of ARM hardware available that suits industry then you're most definitely correct. But that is the exception not the norm.
A lot of ARM systems (even raspberry PI) will live life fine at 60C.
NO!. A Raspberry Pi, unless you're talking about one of the industrial hardened ones will definitely not "live life fine" at 60C. In fact at that temperature it will thermally throttle at no load and be utterly useless. It is barely able to run at load on a hot day if you don't have the AC on.
Not the smartphone as you know it, precisely because you only know iPhone and Android. But J2ME basically was the underlying platform for every other phone in the world.
The fact that it was a bucket of shit not withstanding.
Why doesn't America just shoot half the population. I mean that would have a bigger net positive impact on the environment than your suggestion so let's go with that.
Oh...hold on..... No it won't. Because the EU isn't the problem, and the USA isn't the problem.
Indians shit on the street. Which means it's okay for you to go an shit in the street. After all it's Indias fault. We all live on our own little earth and me throwing a plastic cup on the ground is okay because someone else did it too. waaaaahhhhh.
I take it you're a Trump voter. No that wasn't a question.
It's well documented that approximately 90% of garbage is sourced from major Asian and African rivers.
It's well documented in the headlines of news articles which didn't actually read the study. No the reality is that the amount of garbage entering the oceans through rivers is tiny. The amount of plastic waste is between 5-15% depending on the study.
And when you go back to your news article that shows that 90% of plastic in the oceans goes through a couple of major rivers read carefully and you'll notice the quote is that 90% of garbage in the ocean *that comes from rivers* does so through only a couple of rivers in Asia and Africa.
Journal articles, not news headlines. The former educate, the latter just make people stupid.
And most of that enters the sea from a single river.
*sigh*. Another person who read the headline rather than the report. I hate to break it to you but no where near that ... little ... plastic enters the oceans through rivers. Now do yourself a favour, find the news article with the headline you looked up and actually read the report behind it. Look at the conclusions, then look at the study (notice how it was a study of only plastic that goes into rivers), and then look at the references to find a link to how much plastic actually goes in the ocean through rivers.
All the while remember, Indians shit on the street, then go outside and shit in your own street smug in the reality that it's India's fault.
Why not pay unemployed people minimum wage to sort though your perceived social problem while at the same time fixing another ignored social problem?
Thermal management for high temperature is easily managed. You're very concerned about the high temperature when that is the easy one to deal with. Any ARM chip thermally bonded to the side of the case / large heatsink which is somehow externally accessible and allows minimal airflow should be able to handle the upper side of your temperature requirement.
Your problem will be at the other end. Sustained electrical performance at -37C is something many components are not rated for. Even in industry there are problems sourcing instruments that handle that kind of temperature. We had many industrial systems fail during the last polar vortex including an industrial PLC mounted in external cabinets.
Your problem will be you somehow need to design a heating system which isn't defeated by your cooling system. That's an especially tough task if you're talking about passive systems for cooling.
What a silly suggestion. The raspberry pi 3 is thermally challenged at room temperature. Adding 40C to that would put it well above Tjmax
Please take your anti government shit rant back to 4chan where it belongs.
this gas-pump thing and every other new fad
Look, I'm all for reading a good anti IoT rant, but there's nothing "IoT", "new", or "fad" in using IR communications to configure equipment in the oil industry. This is literally the way it's been done for 40 years.
Easier solution:
1. Have basic competence.
Done. No need for more people. In fact I'm perfectly happy with "express" petrol stations which is just a pump somewhere and no need to interact with anyone.
Aren't people free to buy the bulbs they want to buy?
Yes. People are free to do whatever they want. It's how we got to royally screwing the planet in the first place. People make poor decisions, don't think long term, don't think lifecycle cost, and don't think in externalities.
but the total difference over the course of the year isn't nearly as much as you think it is
Completely senseless generation of heat and cooling combined with finding a far more efficient way of heating a house?
When you add running the heater to the equation where you previously only assumed running the AC you get even further ahead in your benefit equation.
often a fucking fan
If you're buying residential lighting with a built in fan then holy fuck are you ever doing it wrong. There's wrong, there's "wtf that's wrong" and then there's this in a league of it's own "sexconker buying a lightbulb wrong".
As an outsider this is all quite funny. Obama and Trump are no different. They are products of a system. The only truly stupid thing in American politics are the American people who think an issue is red or blue. The reality is you all look like bumbling idiots
Thus, even very large reductions in residential power use result in very small changes to total power use.
Yeah if we can't find something to massively reduce power use we shouldn't both working on small easy things. /signed: An American living in the country with the highest home energy usage per household in the world.
Screw you for not putting the effort into a whopping 6% of your waste.
They are the only thread of sanity left in the world. Stop them and we have nothing of the old world left.