But did they? You're talking about a supposedly tested release that pasted through the insider program was designated as RTM and then pulled on the day of public release.
It doesn't sound like they learned anything. It sounds like they majorly dodged some bullet and their QC process is still as fucked up as it has always been. No surprise mind you. It took them close to 14 months to fix the problem turning on their own premium Surface Pro 3 computer when a Surface Pro 4 keyboard was attached, a device they not only listed as compatible but wrote a specific SP3 driver for.
The fact a W10 computer can start updating itself without prompt or UI
It can't, and hasn't done so since the first Windows 10 release. What will happen now is that you set active hours during which it will never restart, you also tick the notification box so all you get is a notification telling you that on your next restart it will update, and that will also tell you the exact time it scheduled for the out of hours restart, and even provide you with an option for delaying it, which you can for up to a month.
Seriously if your presentation is interrupted due to a windows update, you deserve to be laughed off stage at this point.
Mind you the way you talked about resource hogging BITTORRENTING as if it isn't a good thing that your local network doesn't send every single request to the internet... on a feature you can disable no less, we should all be laughing at you anyway, regardless if your presentation is interrupted or not.
I havn't seen a BSOD in Windows in over a decade now myself.
While rare, they aren't quite that rare. Though I did see a Windows 10 BSOD for the first time a few months back. They have QR codes now... for some reason.
As for Windows XP being the last I call shenanigans, or were you mysteriously in a coma from January 2007 to July 2009?... Or more likely PTSD has caused you to wipe Windows from those 2.5 years from you mind.
I'm worried about the country I live in so let's start there. Don't make perfect the enemy of good.
To address those two, I didn't make perfect the enemy of good. You did. To quote: "There is genuinely zero reason why essentially the entire tax system could not be automated."
As for the country you live in, that's my point. My first issue where I had to file international taxes occurred before I ever left the first country I lived in, and you can thank my employer's share scheme administered in the country of their head office for that.
That makes you wildly outside the norm.
I know it is. I was just pointing out how horridly absurd a normal person can get. I'm not some weird millionaire, just a guy who happened to have moved because work asked him to. As I already said, I agree with you that the vast majority of people shouldn't need an accountant (probably more than that). However saying 99% of it could be automated is ludicrous on the face of it. You'd need to overhaul the entire tax system and start by getting rid of the myriad of deductions as well as anything that is classified as income that isn't provided by someone reporting to their tax authority. If you did that, you could eliminate the return altogether.
Where in the major version number does it say that you "break functionality frequently"?
Dunno I was quoting you with your incompatible API changes. Maybe you were wrong.
No, I'm simply saying that people should remember that version numbers are not meaningless
They aren't. They form a logical sequence of releases. But the specific versioning system you proposed is meaningless to the development process of the Linux kernel. Maybe you don't understand Linus's comment because you don't understand the kernel development. I tried to explain it to you but you either didn't read it or willfully ignored it choosing instead to just repeat your original reply without addressing any subsequent part of the discussion. To quote an unlikely president: "SAD."
Many countries don't have such laws and still have an incredible problem with recycling. Convenience trumps recycling every time, and it's hard to beat the convenience of littering let alone throwing something into the first garbage bin you see.
Unsurprisingly, Chinese-based Huawei and Korean-based Samsung are not on the list.
I'm not sure what surprises me more, that you think any Asian based firm would sign up to a list of empty white country promises, or that you think that the promise is worth enough to get upset about Google missing from it.
What next, evacuating an entire shopping mall because someone wrote "Bomb" on a sticky note and slapped it on a garbage can?
My own city removed all the bins from the train station during the G20 summit for that reason.... They didn't get replaced after that. I make it a point to throw my garbage on the ground where the bins used to be.
I'm cheered by Chief Pussehl's reaction. No SWAT team, no one got shot or arrested, he didn't call for new laws, he didn't even say it was a bad idea to call your wifi "Remote Detonator".
Tell me about it. I just googled to see if another country had a placed named Michigan to see if we're just confusing it with the USA. Turns out we're not. This person is unbecoming of a police office in the USA and should be fired at on the spot!
Bonus points if that WiFi point is open and they transparently proxy requests along with a script that flips, blurs or eitherwise mangles the data as it is sent to you.
Not good enough. There is genuinely zero reason why essentially the entire tax system could not be automated.
Whose tax system? No seriously that's the fundamental flaw in anyone thinking their tax system can be automated completely. There is no agreed international tax system or transfer of private information between countries.
For people with more complicated tax situations we have them file some paperwork but the vast majority of the public should never have to pay an accountant or a tax software company.
That I agree with. I have income in multiple countries, depreciating assets in multiple countries, shares in multiple countries some subject to deferral schemes, and my own business on the side. Taxes are actually quite simple to do yourself, though I wish I didn't have to file 4 tax returns every year.
So were the doors. The GP's analogy was fine. The other one was frigging stupid because it implied something criminal (taking something which didn't belong).
Does that scare you? It should. They are horrible. And my point is that own content is not valuable at all if it isn't watched. If you were an investor the increasing gap between profit and revenue despite the increasing subscription fees should alarm you. It isn't something that can survive on "we make a loss on every unit sold but we'll make it up in volume" kind of scenarios.
Netflix needs viewership of their own content otherwise along with a large expense the net result is that people will go elsewhere for the content they want. Remember, Netflix broke the cable model, their customers are mobile, and their competitors have half of the cost of content to weigh down on the bottom line (literally Netflix spends more on content than Hulu and Amazon put together).
Version numbering ceases making sense when you classify it according to bug fix / feature improvement but don't have a development cadence that incorporates standard fixes and maintenance fixes. When every fix involves both bux fixes and feature improvements then the entire premise of the versioning system you promote falls apart. You may as well just Start at 1.0 and then increase the decimal point at every commit. Which version of Linux are you running? 1.123512345 or the 1.123512358?
Indeed! Probably because Linus thinks that a lot of standard software engineering "is meaningless".
And? To be clear you are proposing changing the approach taken by one of the worlds most expensive and longest ongoing software projects. When Linus says something it no longer is an appeal to authority fallacy, it is the actual authority. You are going to have to come up with a much better justification than *it doesn't follow this system* in light of its current success.
I think we can all agree on one thing. There is a level of stupidity surrounding this entire situation. Especially stupid is the poster who thinks that a curious teenager is somehow a liable criminal expected to follow up a disclosure contact because he dared to visit a fucking publicly open website. Even more stupid is the poster who thinks that some curious teenager is somehow even more criminally liable for not purging, exorcising, and then salting the toasted remains of his computer that dared to peak at this highly secret classified publicly accessible without restriction data.
I can only conclude that you were born an adult in some test tube, because even people who've never seen kids grow up would at least has some basic realization of how a young mind works having lived it themselves. For you to consider this behaviour criminal is just showing an incredibly huge lack of understanding of how people work, even by slashdot standards.
Like say how Mission Impossible 2 and 4 are available on Netflix, but not 1 3 or 5? Or maybe those legal alternatives like the show I was in the middle of watching when it suddenly disappeared from the library? Or maybe we're talking about me hitting a download button on something I've downloaded but wasn't able to watch on a previous flight only to get a warning saying that I am only allowed to download this thing Netflix knows has never been watched one more time, only for that download to fail and lock me out of the system preventing me from downloading it again.
Are those the legal alternatives?
There was an easy solution to all three scenarios:
1) Torrents 2) Torrents 3) Torrents
All have served me far better than the legal "alternatives" which is a big stretch of the word.
it would perhaps be better if they were actually meaningful.
It is meaningful in its meaninglessness. The semantic versioning system assumes that you make software in a way that breaks functionality frequently or that you roll out bug fixes at a different cadence to feature improvements. The Linux kernel hasn't been maintained like that in a long time.
This is Linus we are talking about. If there's one person in the world who realises he also has toes it's him. Apple and Microsoft may only be able to count to 10 but I expect Linux will go up to 20.
A large ship emits as much SO2 as millions of cars. Yet they regulate CO2 for ships?
Firstly, SO2 is largely a local pollutant and not a global one like CO2. Secondly, SO2 most definitely is regulated. It was many years ago when we stopped burning high SO2 bunker fuel in population centres for this very reason. The amount of SO2 emitted by ships has been actively driven down since the 1960s where it seems we can't go half a decade without a new standard putting more downward pressure in SOx and NOx emissions.
CO2 however is a tough one to crack since it has far less to do with the composition of the fuel and rather more to do with engine design ensuring efficient use of the fuel.
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At least Microsoft learned
But did they? You're talking about a supposedly tested release that pasted through the insider program was designated as RTM and then pulled on the day of public release.
It doesn't sound like they learned anything. It sounds like they majorly dodged some bullet and their QC process is still as fucked up as it has always been. No surprise mind you. It took them close to 14 months to fix the problem turning on their own premium Surface Pro 3 computer when a Surface Pro 4 keyboard was attached, a device they not only listed as compatible but wrote a specific SP3 driver for.
The fact a W10 computer can start updating itself without prompt or UI
It can't, and hasn't done so since the first Windows 10 release. What will happen now is that you set active hours during which it will never restart, you also tick the notification box so all you get is a notification telling you that on your next restart it will update, and that will also tell you the exact time it scheduled for the out of hours restart, and even provide you with an option for delaying it, which you can for up to a month.
Seriously if your presentation is interrupted due to a windows update, you deserve to be laughed off stage at this point.
Mind you the way you talked about resource hogging BITTORRENTING as if it isn't a good thing that your local network doesn't send every single request to the internet ... on a feature you can disable no less, we should all be laughing at you anyway, regardless if your presentation is interrupted or not.
Learn to computer. It's not that hard.
I havn't seen a BSOD in Windows in over a decade now myself.
While rare, they aren't quite that rare. Though I did see a Windows 10 BSOD for the first time a few months back. They have QR codes now... for some reason.
As for Windows XP being the last I call shenanigans, or were you mysteriously in a coma from January 2007 to July 2009? ... Or more likely PTSD has caused you to wipe Windows from those 2.5 years from you mind.
I'm worried about the country I live in so let's start there. Don't make perfect the enemy of good.
To address those two, I didn't make perfect the enemy of good. You did. To quote:
"There is genuinely zero reason why essentially the entire tax system could not be automated."
As for the country you live in, that's my point. My first issue where I had to file international taxes occurred before I ever left the first country I lived in, and you can thank my employer's share scheme administered in the country of their head office for that.
That makes you wildly outside the norm.
I know it is. I was just pointing out how horridly absurd a normal person can get. I'm not some weird millionaire, just a guy who happened to have moved because work asked him to. As I already said, I agree with you that the vast majority of people shouldn't need an accountant (probably more than that). However saying 99% of it could be automated is ludicrous on the face of it. You'd need to overhaul the entire tax system and start by getting rid of the myriad of deductions as well as anything that is classified as income that isn't provided by someone reporting to their tax authority. If you did that, you could eliminate the return altogether.
Where in the major version number does it say that you "break functionality frequently"?
Dunno I was quoting you with your incompatible API changes. Maybe you were wrong.
No, I'm simply saying that people should remember that version numbers are not meaningless
They aren't. They form a logical sequence of releases. But the specific versioning system you proposed is meaningless to the development process of the Linux kernel. Maybe you don't understand Linus's comment because you don't understand the kernel development. I tried to explain it to you but you either didn't read it or willfully ignored it choosing instead to just repeat your original reply without addressing any subsequent part of the discussion. To quote an unlikely president: "SAD."
Many countries don't have such laws and still have an incredible problem with recycling. Convenience trumps recycling every time, and it's hard to beat the convenience of littering let alone throwing something into the first garbage bin you see.
So would I. The amount of science we could do on the diet of a man who shits pure gold and farts roses is incredible.
Unsurprisingly, Chinese-based Huawei and Korean-based Samsung are not on the list.
I'm not sure what surprises me more, that you think any Asian based firm would sign up to a list of empty white country promises, or that you think that the promise is worth enough to get upset about Google missing from it.
What next, evacuating an entire shopping mall because someone wrote "Bomb" on a sticky note and slapped it on a garbage can?
My own city removed all the bins from the train station during the G20 summit for that reason. ... They didn't get replaced after that. I make it a point to throw my garbage on the ground where the bins used to be.
I'm cheered by Chief Pussehl's reaction. No SWAT team, no one got shot or arrested, he didn't call for new laws, he didn't even say it was a bad idea to call your wifi "Remote Detonator".
Tell me about it. I just googled to see if another country had a placed named Michigan to see if we're just confusing it with the USA. Turns out we're not. This person is unbecoming of a police office in the USA and should be fired at on the spot!
#notatypo
back in his middle school days, my son named ours: Global Thermonuclear War from something he saw. gaming privileges lost after that.
Oh wow that post you just made will cost you a LOT of cred on Slashdot.
Bonus points if that WiFi point is open and they transparently proxy requests along with a script that flips, blurs or eitherwise mangles the data as it is sent to you.
Not crazy per se but I do like "Pretty Fly for a Wi-Fi". Someone in my building has this one.
I don't think it's fair to conflate anti-prostitution with anti-sex.
Really? Because I find the people who are anti-either being anti-the-other, while also being anti-prochoice, and usually also anti-contraceptive.
Not good enough. There is genuinely zero reason why essentially the entire tax system could not be automated.
Whose tax system? No seriously that's the fundamental flaw in anyone thinking their tax system can be automated completely. There is no agreed international tax system or transfer of private information between countries.
For people with more complicated tax situations we have them file some paperwork but the vast majority of the public should never have to pay an accountant or a tax software company.
That I agree with. I have income in multiple countries, depreciating assets in multiple countries, shares in multiple countries some subject to deferral schemes, and my own business on the side. Taxes are actually quite simple to do yourself, though I wish I didn't have to file 4 tax returns every year.
All these analogies are stupid because this is Slashdot and they don't involve cars.
So were the doors. The GP's analogy was fine. The other one was frigging stupid because it implied something criminal (taking something which didn't belong).
own content is far more valuable
You should see my holiday videos.
Does that scare you? It should. They are horrible. And my point is that own content is not valuable at all if it isn't watched. If you were an investor the increasing gap between profit and revenue despite the increasing subscription fees should alarm you. It isn't something that can survive on "we make a loss on every unit sold but we'll make it up in volume" kind of scenarios.
Netflix needs viewership of their own content otherwise along with a large expense the net result is that people will go elsewhere for the content they want. Remember, Netflix broke the cable model, their customers are mobile, and their competitors have half of the cost of content to weigh down on the bottom line (literally Netflix spends more on content than Hulu and Amazon put together).
Where does it assume that?
Right in the major version number.
And the problem with that is...?
Version numbering ceases making sense when you classify it according to bug fix / feature improvement but don't have a development cadence that incorporates standard fixes and maintenance fixes. When every fix involves both bux fixes and feature improvements then the entire premise of the versioning system you promote falls apart. You may as well just Start at 1.0 and then increase the decimal point at every commit. Which version of Linux are you running? 1.123512345 or the 1.123512358?
Indeed! Probably because Linus thinks that a lot of standard software engineering "is meaningless".
And? To be clear you are proposing changing the approach taken by one of the worlds most expensive and longest ongoing software projects. When Linus says something it no longer is an appeal to authority fallacy, it is the actual authority. You are going to have to come up with a much better justification than *it doesn't follow this system* in light of its current success.
I think we can all agree on one thing. There is a level of stupidity surrounding this entire situation. Especially stupid is the poster who thinks that a curious teenager is somehow a liable criminal expected to follow up a disclosure contact because he dared to visit a fucking publicly open website. Even more stupid is the poster who thinks that some curious teenager is somehow even more criminally liable for not purging, exorcising, and then salting the toasted remains of his computer that dared to peak at this highly secret classified publicly accessible without restriction data.
I can only conclude that you were born an adult in some test tube, because even people who've never seen kids grow up would at least has some basic realization of how a young mind works having lived it themselves. For you to consider this behaviour criminal is just showing an incredibly huge lack of understanding of how people work, even by slashdot standards.
Like say how Mission Impossible 2 and 4 are available on Netflix, but not 1 3 or 5? Or maybe those legal alternatives like the show I was in the middle of watching when it suddenly disappeared from the library? Or maybe we're talking about me hitting a download button on something I've downloaded but wasn't able to watch on a previous flight only to get a warning saying that I am only allowed to download this thing Netflix knows has never been watched one more time, only for that download to fail and lock me out of the system preventing me from downloading it again.
Are those the legal alternatives?
There was an easy solution to all three scenarios:
1) Torrents
2) Torrents
3) Torrents
All have served me far better than the legal "alternatives" which is a big stretch of the word.
it would perhaps be better if they were actually meaningful.
It is meaningful in its meaninglessness. The semantic versioning system assumes that you make software in a way that breaks functionality frequently or that you roll out bug fixes at a different cadence to feature improvements. The Linux kernel hasn't been maintained like that in a long time.
This is Linus we are talking about. If there's one person in the world who realises he also has toes it's him. Apple and Microsoft may only be able to count to 10 but I expect Linux will go up to 20.
If it is so economical, why do they need
They don't need. Need doesn't come into it. I earn close to $100 an hour, yet I will still stop to pickup a penny.
A large ship emits as much SO2 as millions of cars. Yet they regulate CO2 for ships?
Firstly, SO2 is largely a local pollutant and not a global one like CO2.
Secondly, SO2 most definitely is regulated. It was many years ago when we stopped burning high SO2 bunker fuel in population centres for this very reason. The amount of SO2 emitted by ships has been actively driven down since the 1960s where it seems we can't go half a decade without a new standard putting more downward pressure in SOx and NOx emissions.
CO2 however is a tough one to crack since it has far less to do with the composition of the fuel and rather more to do with engine design ensuring efficient use of the fuel.