You can't have it both ways. A self driving car should not require a driver and conversely
I don't have it both ways. There are legal obligations currently under both the laws that govern vehicles moving on public roads, and the regulations that govern the testing of self driving vehicles. Those laws state you need a driver. That driver was there, employed for a job that he didn't do. He wasn't distracted, he outright was not doing his job and breaking the law in the process.
This isn't having it both ways. It's having it one way. Person being paid for a task should be doing the task. If I decided to suddenly stop paying attention whip out my phone and watch a movie while moving a heavy load with a crane and I ended up crushing someone, would I get a free pass too?
The driver. Legally as required by the government during this test. The driver. As employed by Uber to oversee the machine under test.
Who approved this person to be the safety backup and what was their training?
Irrelevant given the evidence that it wasn't training which was lacking. Or are you suggesting everyone in the world do mandatory "don't watch TV when you're on the clock" training? That's just stupid.
Who let her in the car with her phone in the first place?
God did. That's where you're heading with this right? I mean by going back throughout all the irrelevant things that lead up this incident you'll eventually get to "First there was nothing and then God created the universe" right?
SATA and eSATA are the same interface, but not the same cable. SATA is inside a high-EMI envelope within a computer casing; eSATA is exposed to less electromagnetic interference. SATA doesn't have shielding; eSATA requires shielding.
You description of the cables is right but the motivation behind them is quite different. Let's address them:
Firstly the EMI envelope within a PC is controlled and far lower than what you compare it to. Short lengths of very low current very low voltage signals at high frequencies radiate but do so poorly. On the flipside you have eSATA, a standard which will be routed directly next to unshielded LV power cables of multiple devices using a standard that allows double the length of cable, and will typically use 3-4x the cable length as well. Running a long cable out the back of your computer is far worse for interference on a differential signal than running a short one inside your computer and hence eSATA requires additional shielding.
Of course there are situations where SATA devices are exposed to excessive EMI which is precisely why shielded SATA cables are actually available, but inside a standard computer isn't such a nasty environment.
USB 3.0 cables aren't shielded from outside electronics; outside electronics are shielded from USB 3.0 cables.
And that is not remotely true. The data lines are twisted to prevent radiation and have been for a long time. The signaling frequency hasn't changed appreciably between standards (as in appreciably to the ability for a 1m long cable to radiate as an antenna, which it barely is capable of doing at the frequencies being talked about) either between the standards where shielding was required and where they were not, and in fact USB 3.0 all things being equal would be less likely to cause external interference than USB 2.0 based on signalling alone.
Mind you this is academic since the shielding requirements of a USB cable are very low to ensure they remain flexible.
Making the code open would be virtually no cost and maybe someone could get something useful from it.
What "useful" Edge feature are you interested in? A rendering engine that fails miserably to render a large portion of pages? A PDF engine which craps itself when displaying PDFs? Timeline integration (MS is writing plugins for that already).
And really, we can't know how bad the code is because we can't directly audit it.
The code quality itself is probably high. The result of running the code we can directly see, and even Microsoft has abandoned trying to maintain it. I don't think much good would come of making something open source and you're wrong that it comes at no cost. Edge is still a browser widely used, and while security by obscurity is not a valid security measure, obscurity still raises a bar for exploitation. Releasing the code would likely serve to highlight a lot of bugs and security flaws which MS would then need to whack-a-mole until such a time as Edge is no longer in wide use.
But the survey was not representative, with 3 million of the 4.6 million votes coming from Germany. This led to diplomats from smaller EU countries complaining behind closed doors that the European Commission wanted to impose German will on the other states through sheer populism.
I'm pretty sure we at Slashdot called it. When you make a decision based on a marketing campaign of a small vocal minority don't expect a smooth change.
What they don't understand is there is also an extra hour of dark at the start of the day.
And? It's night when we get up, it's night when we're at work. That is EXACTLY what we want. Shitty useless lack of sunshine during work hours, and nice useful sunshine during pleasure hours.
They'll have to get up an hour earlier in winter because of permanent DST.
Actually they'll get up at the exact same local time.
But please for the love of god don't establish DST year round. I'd like to have the sun up before 9:30 please.
Nope, screw the sun in the morning. We don't need it.
Yeah the UK suffers horribly under the EU. How can May and her fellow politicians score a win for the people when that damn EU keeps doing it first. I especially like how May declared the abolishion of mobile roaming fees as one of *her* successes.
It is harsh winter 5 out of 12 month here, yet they keep eliminating lanes by adding bike lanes.
I don't understand. Do they not sell studded or winter tires for bicycles in your country? Or do you not own jackets? Or do you just not put the maintenance in? I mean where I live the ploughs ensure the cycle paths are done before the roads. I don't quite understand your problem.
If anything fails, the study will be dismissed as fake from the pharma industry.
The industry which manufactures vaccines would dismiss a study which would increase their sales? Either you are getting your anti-{insert_outrage_of_the_day} confused, or you just had a stroke and should see a doctor.
I can't think of a more inane and ultimately useless use for such an amazing technology.
What makes you say that? The only use case for gorilla glass is a surface that is um thick. If you had any other use than a display on a thin gadget you'd use something stronger like one of the many traditional toughened glass processes.
No you don't understand. This is a leaked screenshot of the current state. If this wasn't what they were planning on releasing then they wouldn't hide it and it wouldn't need leaking now would it. Therefore it's a finished product. The only reason it will be released in November is because that's when they will finally get the March 1903 Windows 10 release in a usable state.
This means that they can relax significantly when it comes to the safety of the testing vehicles; if an accident happens, the courts says it's the driver's fault.
Err no, that doesn't follow from this example at all. Uber put a system in place to prevent the accident and the single person wasn't even remotely attempting to do the job they did. This would be no different in any other industry. If I watched TV instead of doing what I got paid to do and someone died I fully expect to be held liable.
Even if Uber is liable for not installing driver facing "incompetent job slacking" detection cameras in their cars the driver is still 100% at fault.
airline pilot's errors do not have Criminal proceedings most of the time.
Only because airline pilots often die due to their mistakes. And calling this a "pilot error" is disingenuous. Sorry wrong word. err. No it's absolutely fucking stupid. The person didn't make an error, they outright were not attempting to remotely do the job they were being paid to do all while operating a motor vehicle illegally.
Even if Uber was 100% liable the driver should still be charged with manslaughter for their actions.
Arizona wants Uber investment dollars so they would gladly scape goat an Uber employee while giving the company a mulligan.
To be clear are you saying you or anyone else in their right mind would not scape goat someone being paid for a task who instead decided to show up to work, kick back and watch TV instead? All the while actually causing your company to operate outside it's legally approved framework for which the person was employed in the first place?
That doesn't sound like a scape goat to me, that sounds like blaming someone who utterly failed to do their job.
You do not want to accept the job of 'backup driver' because you are basically taking the blame
Not at all. The driver didn't get the blame because a self driving Uber killed someone or because they weren't able to avoid an accident. The driver got the blame because they didn't do their job at all while at the same time also illegally operating a motor vehicle.
If you want to spend all day watching TV then maybe you should should become a TV critic rather than an Uber backup driver.
They meant "but don't be a dick". Now it means "this is why we can't have nice things".
At what number does "unlimited" turn into "being a dick". Is someone's 500GB collection of dickbutt drawings more or less dickish than someone else's 2TB photo library they have amased over the years?
You want me to not be a dick, stop being arbitrary and tell me at where you draw the dick in the sand.
What problem is being created? Our lives are a constant battle of benefits vs downsides. If we cared truly deeply about security we wouldn't be here talking right now with our valuable computers exposed to a foreign network.
Yet we've accepted that risk for the benefit we get. Likewise most people who care about speed will disable Specter mitigation due to the incredibly tiny likelihood of it yielding a successful exploit in most end user scenarios.
Conversely there are some people out there who should definitely not be compromising security in the name of speed or convenience.
At what point do you stop throwing regulation at it and just nationalise the infrastructure? After all you're suggesting the government should run it as it is. Throwing money at the problem while being run by private companies hasn't worked in the USA or Australia in the past, what makes you think the future looks any different?
Plus careful. If you use that "R" word here the republicans may lynch you.
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You can't have it both ways. A self driving car should not require a driver and conversely
I don't have it both ways. There are legal obligations currently under both the laws that govern vehicles moving on public roads, and the regulations that govern the testing of self driving vehicles. Those laws state you need a driver. That driver was there, employed for a job that he didn't do. He wasn't distracted, he outright was not doing his job and breaking the law in the process.
This isn't having it both ways. It's having it one way. Person being paid for a task should be doing the task. If I decided to suddenly stop paying attention whip out my phone and watch a movie while moving a heavy load with a crane and I ended up crushing someone, would I get a free pass too?
Who was driving the car?
The driver. Legally as required by the government during this test.
The driver. As employed by Uber to oversee the machine under test.
Who approved this person to be the safety backup and what was their training?
Irrelevant given the evidence that it wasn't training which was lacking. Or are you suggesting everyone in the world do mandatory "don't watch TV when you're on the clock" training? That's just stupid.
Who let her in the car with her phone in the first place?
God did. That's where you're heading with this right? I mean by going back throughout all the irrelevant things that lead up this incident you'll eventually get to "First there was nothing and then God created the universe" right?
SATA and eSATA are the same interface, but not the same cable. SATA is inside a high-EMI envelope within a computer casing; eSATA is exposed to less electromagnetic interference.
SATA doesn't have shielding; eSATA requires shielding.
You description of the cables is right but the motivation behind them is quite different. Let's address them:
Firstly the EMI envelope within a PC is controlled and far lower than what you compare it to. Short lengths of very low current very low voltage signals at high frequencies radiate but do so poorly. On the flipside you have eSATA, a standard which will be routed directly next to unshielded LV power cables of multiple devices using a standard that allows double the length of cable, and will typically use 3-4x the cable length as well. Running a long cable out the back of your computer is far worse for interference on a differential signal than running a short one inside your computer and hence eSATA requires additional shielding.
Of course there are situations where SATA devices are exposed to excessive EMI which is precisely why shielded SATA cables are actually available, but inside a standard computer isn't such a nasty environment.
USB 3.0 cables aren't shielded from outside electronics; outside electronics are shielded from USB 3.0 cables.
And that is not remotely true. The data lines are twisted to prevent radiation and have been for a long time. The signaling frequency hasn't changed appreciably between standards (as in appreciably to the ability for a 1m long cable to radiate as an antenna, which it barely is capable of doing at the frequencies being talked about) either between the standards where shielding was required and where they were not, and in fact USB 3.0 all things being equal would be less likely to cause external interference than USB 2.0 based on signalling alone.
Mind you this is academic since the shielding requirements of a USB cable are very low to ensure they remain flexible.
Making the code open would be virtually no cost and maybe someone could get something useful from it.
What "useful" Edge feature are you interested in? A rendering engine that fails miserably to render a large portion of pages? A PDF engine which craps itself when displaying PDFs? Timeline integration (MS is writing plugins for that already).
And really, we can't know how bad the code is because we can't directly audit it.
The code quality itself is probably high. The result of running the code we can directly see, and even Microsoft has abandoned trying to maintain it. I don't think much good would come of making something open source and you're wrong that it comes at no cost. Edge is still a browser widely used, and while security by obscurity is not a valid security measure, obscurity still raises a bar for exploitation. Releasing the code would likely serve to highlight a lot of bugs and security flaws which MS would then need to whack-a-mole until such a time as Edge is no longer in wide use.
But the survey was not representative, with 3 million of the 4.6 million votes coming from Germany. This led to diplomats from smaller EU countries complaining behind closed doors that the European Commission wanted to impose German will on the other states through sheer populism.
I'm pretty sure we at Slashdot called it. When you make a decision based on a marketing campaign of a small vocal minority don't expect a smooth change.
What they don't understand is there is also an extra hour of dark at the start of the day.
And? It's night when we get up, it's night when we're at work. That is EXACTLY what we want. Shitty useless lack of sunshine during work hours, and nice useful sunshine during pleasure hours.
They'll have to get up an hour earlier in winter because of permanent DST.
Actually they'll get up at the exact same local time.
But please for the love of god don't establish DST year round. I'd like to have the sun up before 9:30 please.
Nope, screw the sun in the morning. We don't need it.
Why doesn't the EU wait until after March 29th to take the vote? UK won't be part of the EU then.
That's a bit presumptuous. Personally I think they'll take from the USA playbook and give that can a good hard kick down the road.
Yeah the UK suffers horribly under the EU. How can May and her fellow politicians score a win for the people when that damn EU keeps doing it first. I especially like how May declared the abolishion of mobile roaming fees as one of *her* successes.
It is harsh winter 5 out of 12 month here, yet they keep eliminating lanes by adding bike lanes.
I don't understand. Do they not sell studded or winter tires for bicycles in your country? Or do you not own jackets? Or do you just not put the maintenance in? I mean where I live the ploughs ensure the cycle paths are done before the roads. I don't quite understand your problem.
If anything fails, the study will be dismissed as fake from the pharma industry.
The industry which manufactures vaccines would dismiss a study which would increase their sales? Either you are getting your anti-{insert_outrage_of_the_day} confused, or you just had a stroke and should see a doctor.
I can't think of a more inane and ultimately useless use for such an amazing technology.
What makes you say that? The only use case for gorilla glass is a surface that is um thick. If you had any other use than a display on a thin gadget you'd use something stronger like one of the many traditional toughened glass processes.
No you don't understand. This is a leaked screenshot of the current state. If this wasn't what they were planning on releasing then they wouldn't hide it and it wouldn't need leaking now would it. Therefore it's a finished product. The only reason it will be released in November is because that's when they will finally get the March 1903 Windows 10 release in a usable state.
It is a sad day for the Web when Microsoft shifts not to making Edge's code free software
If you wanted to spread STDs can't you just screw people in traditional ways?
These places literally glow in the dark
These places literally do no such thing.
What makes you think that drivers react to accidents rather an a financial motivation?
Cool story. Why not tell us all the other countries where {insert software not being talked about} does this?
You left out the bit where the person who you paid money to do something then proceeded to kill someone.
This means that they can relax significantly when it comes to the safety of the testing vehicles; if an accident happens, the courts says it's the driver's fault.
Err no, that doesn't follow from this example at all. Uber put a system in place to prevent the accident and the single person wasn't even remotely attempting to do the job they did. This would be no different in any other industry. If I watched TV instead of doing what I got paid to do and someone died I fully expect to be held liable.
Even if Uber is liable for not installing driver facing "incompetent job slacking" detection cameras in their cars the driver is still 100% at fault.
airline pilot's errors do not have Criminal proceedings most of the time.
Only because airline pilots often die due to their mistakes. And calling this a "pilot error" is disingenuous. Sorry wrong word. err. No it's absolutely fucking stupid. The person didn't make an error, they outright were not attempting to remotely do the job they were being paid to do all while operating a motor vehicle illegally.
Even if Uber was 100% liable the driver should still be charged with manslaughter for their actions.
Arizona wants Uber investment dollars so they would gladly scape goat an Uber employee while giving the company a mulligan.
To be clear are you saying you or anyone else in their right mind would not scape goat someone being paid for a task who instead decided to show up to work, kick back and watch TV instead? All the while actually causing your company to operate outside it's legally approved framework for which the person was employed in the first place?
That doesn't sound like a scape goat to me, that sounds like blaming someone who utterly failed to do their job.
You do not want to accept the job of 'backup driver' because you are basically taking the blame
Not at all. The driver didn't get the blame because a self driving Uber killed someone or because they weren't able to avoid an accident. The driver got the blame because they didn't do their job at all while at the same time also illegally operating a motor vehicle.
If you want to spend all day watching TV then maybe you should should become a TV critic rather than an Uber backup driver.
They meant "but don't be a dick". Now it means "this is why we can't have nice things".
At what number does "unlimited" turn into "being a dick". Is someone's 500GB collection of dickbutt drawings more or less dickish than someone else's 2TB photo library they have amased over the years?
You want me to not be a dick, stop being arbitrary and tell me at where you draw the dick in the sand.
What problem is being created? Our lives are a constant battle of benefits vs downsides. If we cared truly deeply about security we wouldn't be here talking right now with our valuable computers exposed to a foreign network.
Yet we've accepted that risk for the benefit we get. Likewise most people who care about speed will disable Specter mitigation due to the incredibly tiny likelihood of it yielding a successful exploit in most end user scenarios.
Conversely there are some people out there who should definitely not be compromising security in the name of speed or convenience.
so the password used in Spaceballs is actually the more secure one of the two!
Only when presented with a dictionary attack, and only if that dictionary doesn't work alphabetically
At what point do you stop throwing regulation at it and just nationalise the infrastructure? After all you're suggesting the government should run it as it is. Throwing money at the problem while being run by private companies hasn't worked in the USA or Australia in the past, what makes you think the future looks any different?
Plus careful. If you use that "R" word here the republicans may lynch you.