On our side of the pond, most of the diesel is now ULSD.
Oh lol. Talk about picking on the spec that wasn't a health hazard and holding it high above your head. *golf clap* But since you're so proud of it, let's compare. ULSD in the USA contains 15ppm sulphur, introduced in 2006. A commendable effort. On our side of the pond the requirement was ULSD be 10ppm and available as of 2005 and was mandated as a requirement from 2009. No doubt by the time you'll shave off those 33% we'll have banned diesel vehicles.
And to reply to your quote out of order:
Guess what? That's inferior to US spec
You're not even close. Never were. The USA has been a very distinct follower rather than a leader in the west when it comes to fuel standards. Not just in sulphur spec, but also in your much lower cetane (where the EU was 17 years ago), higher ash content (where the EU was 12 years ago), higher water content (this was actually at one time better in the USA), and the GP was right your thick diesel gunk has much more in common with bunker fuel than the higher cut-point EU specs.
where you wind up having to have a catalyst and inject DEF
You see you're conflating two issues. The diesel in the USA is garbage compared to that in the EU, but all of that is actually not relevant to NOx, or PM2.5 emissions which is the battle against diesel. These are a direct result of vehicles in the rest of the world focusing on fuel economy. So while a european car will produce more NOx and more PM2.5 emissions regardless of if you buy your diesel in europe or the USA, your lovely all American soot mobile will blast PM10, CO, and that wonderful global warming inducing CO2 out the tailpipe like it's going out of fashion.
Just like your large CocaCola in the USA is much larger than the large in the EU, so are your vehicle's insatiable thirst for fuel. I'm sure in 5 or 10 years you guys will catch up too, start producing fuel efficient engines, realise NOx is a problem, start peeing in the exhaust pipe to try and control the emissions and then stand there wondering why the EU fought a war against diesel vehicles (my own city has gone from 730000 registered diesel vehicles in 2006 to 120000 in 2016 and we're much better for it).
Join the craze man, being able to breath is like cool and stuff.
Errr yeah they do. Catalyst and urea injection reduce emissions, but doesn't remove NOx, made worse by the fact that NOx emissions are a direct side-effect of the efficiency of the engine. There's a reason why many cities are taking the next logical step to ban diesel vehicles rather than impose even tougher emissions which several automakers are showing they are incapable of meeting.
That's not to mention that catalysts and urea injection do nothing for PM2.5 which is another major health concern and that diesel vehicles are almost the sole reason that many cities in the world have PM2.5 levels above the WHO recommended safe threshold.
Back atcha.
Errr... thanks? I'm going to go with thanks. I'm not sure what you sent my way, but thanks seems like it covers all basis. e.g. Thanks for not having a comeback. Thanks for making this so easy. Thanks for the opportunity to allow me to share my knowledge with others, and for this last one you are most welcome.
Considering the lurking question mark that exists the moment over your head
We already do. When we buy and use EVs we think of that lurking question mark that exists over *your* head (anti-EV fluffernutter's head), and then we laugh at the ridiculousness of your statements.
Gasoline taxes are collected to pay for the infrastructure combustion engines drive on
Gasoline taxes are just collected. They don't even remotely cover the cost of infrastructure maintenance let alone the creation of new infrastructure, and there's no law saying exactly what they are to be spent on or that no other forms of funding for infrastructure exists.
You jest, but that's a universal truth. Everytime someone mentions the price of "gasoline" you know they are paying far less for it than those people talking about the price of "petrol".
Most electricity from fossil fuels does not pump massive amounts of NOx in the very centre of densely populated spaces. This isn't a CO2 emissions argument, he directly called out healthcare, something spectacularly bad about diesel emissions made even worse by the location of those emissions.
Oh fuck. Why didn't you just say you ticked the wrong box during the setup. Either that or you were running the pre-channel setup. Firefox does NOT DO THIS BY DEFAULT.
I spectacularly don't care.
Then take yourself out of the discussion and disappear.
Just out of curiosity, who else makes viable electric vehicles?
Audi, BMW, BYD Chevy, Citroen, Fiat, Ford, GM, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes-Benz, Mitsubishi, Peugeot, Renault, Smart, and Volkswagen. And I was being kind only listing the companies producing cars that I have actually seen driving around in the streets, and skipping over the producers I haven't seen in the wild. In the USA Nissan probably makes that list but I've yet to see a Leaf, strange given that it's the 3rd best selling electric car in Germany.
The vast majority of them are budget cars too. Several of my colleagues own Renault Zoes, VW e-Golfs, Opel (GM) Amperas, and we often joke about the one who owns the Fiat 500e. Fiat 500s have a long reputation of breaking down, but there's so little to go wrong in an electric drive train but we always say I'm sure the 500e will be the car to make that happen:-)
Where does Tesla sit in Germany? Year to date in 14th place. The Audi A3 has sold 5 times as many as the Tesla S this year, followed very closely by a Renault Zoe (which I nearly bought myself, but there was a 6 month waiting list on getting charging infrastructure installed in my street and I needed a car right now so I bought a Clio). BMW and VW's electric vehicles are far more popular in Germany than Tesla, and curiously so is the Kia Soul.
about just about every model? Apple doesn't single-source-source modem chips; as a result, they get minor but measurable differences in performance between manufacturers. Shocking, really.
Not just every model from Apple. The international markets differ. Major handset vendors provide a variety of different models for various companies. Samsung do that too: several models for US carriers, one for South Korea, one for Japan, one for China, and one for Rest of The World. All these phones vary to some extent in the design of their RF components.
It's the nature of the beast. Hell anyone remember the tri-band mobile phones? The ones you had to own if you wanted your international phone to work in the USA? Remember the big downside there being the ability to "roam" in the USA came at the expense of being able to roam in your own country side due to performance issues.
What's harsh about space other than it being relatively cold?
That is much like saying what's harsh about the inside of the sun other than it being relatively hot. Or what's harsh about the surface of venus other than it rains sulphuric acid.
Electronics lasting 30+ years at only a fraction of a temperature above absolute zero, a point where molecules themselves stop moving completely is amazing. Physical stress isn't the only killer of equipment. The amazing part isn't the programming but those 50s and 60s era electronics still ticking along. I don't have anything from the 50s or 60s anymore that I haven't had to repair. Even back then electronics used chemically reactive components capable of drying out or physically changing, and I'm sure none of it would do so well submerged in liquid nitrogen either.
That just reminded me something. Liquid nitrogen is very effective at converting heat. Electronics in space typically undergo immense stress as there's no convection possible. They gradually cool to incredibly cold temperatures and then when they fire up have to rely on only radiation to dissipate heat. It's counter intuitive but if your simple design has a heatsink to run here on 25C earth then it will instantly overheat in the -270C space. milliwatts cause stress.
Yes it does. Firefox with default settings executes browser.search.geoip without asking.
And? Next you're going to complain that it renders to your graphic card without permission? Firefox is doing an API lookup here, nothing more. If you're worried about your WiFi being tied to your location, guess what, that information either is or isn't already out there. That's kind of how it works. Either you're in the phonebook Firefox is reading or you're not.
I for one would never use a browser that askes me if I'm sure it should do every tiny internal function that it is capable of. No one would.
Firefox should offer the user a simple blunt lever to exhaustively control all of the calling home shit.
It does. You see Firefox doesn't call home. It just lookups your location from an existing database and then stores it locally in the browser. Any time some site requests to use that information it asks you. To tie that back to the above, should Firefox ask your permission before it accesses your RAM, before it caches an image, or updates your profile?
Nothing is leaking out. Nothing is phoning home. And you spectacularly missed my point about freaking out over something you seem unwilling to invest your time in understanding.
Carrying a copy of my directive around can be useful.
Indeed it would be. That's my point. Go find out what the requirements are and how to *best* achieve them. Someone else carrying your form and you tattooing their number on your chest won't get you very far.
This is one of the things that is often missed about the power outages in SA. One side is shouting OMG IT WAS TEH RENUABLS! while the other side is shouting OMG IT WAS THE TRANSMISSION TOWER THAT WAS KNOCKED OVER!
The reality as always is in the middle. Yes a large transmission tower was knocked over, but the renewable kept generating and were happily powering a large portion of the state, or at least they would have if it weren't for a massive loss of synchronisation tripping offline wind farms, gas turbines, and the inter-connectors to Victoria.
This battery won't power 30000 homes when the state goes dark. What it will do is prevent a small power outage escalating into a large one while capacity is still available.
Flip that question on it's head: Would you divert a bought and paid for product from your customer to some other customer knowing full well the result would incur significant financial penalties while at the same time doing nothing of value as this is designed to resolve an intermittent stability problem rather than Puerto Rico's lack of electricity problem?
After installing an outgoing firewall on my laptop I was amazed to see that Firefox was continuously sending updates about the wifi networks I was connected to to a maps.google.com/something address.
I was quite dissapointed, and switched to Waterfox for a while.
Why were you disappointed? How else do you think Geolocation features in a modern browser on the modern internet is supposed to work? If you want to drop the evil conspiracy then here's some information:
Of course this API request is for Mozilla to get the current location from Google, so it sends your connected WiFi spot and Google replies with where you are. Nothing too exciting since all it's doing is getting the information from Google. It doesn't hand anything out without your permission (and neither does Chrome). That can all be managed under Settings > Permissions > Location.
Finally if you're truly paranoid, head to about:config and set geo.enabled = false.
The worst thing we ever did was give data to those people who are unwilling to take the time to understand it. With the curiosity of what is being sent where you should also add the curiosity of why, how and for what reason. Then you may actually simply turn the relevant setting off instead of panic switching to a whole different product for the wrong reasons.
So how long is Google, (an advertising company whose browser is a core part of its advertising strategy), going to keep funding a company whose stated aim is to "keep the internet open and a place where you aren't in the thrall of tech giants"?
Until they actually are a threat? I mean capturing the Firefox search market while at the same time being at no risk due to it's crappy market share sounds like a standard cost of business.
Nope. I assume the bare minimum, and the bare minimum is not to delay emergency procedures even one moment. It's irrelevant if your mom is carrying the binder with her at all times. Verbal agreements don't cut it. Transmitting proof takes time. If you have any hope of not being resuscitated before legally valid evidence is transmitted then you will file your request with the local hospital / government register. There's a reason these things exist.
You have been modded funny, but it's actually quite interesting. At what point did we freak out about someone knowing our name, address and phone number? This used to be a public record.
but I see no good reason for including this in laptops.
Is that because you think the only equipment which needs managing is servers? Hell as someone who has a mother with a computer I'm personally hoping they'll introduce a HCF instruction that can be triggered remotely.
Ok facetiousness aside, IME is a "feature" based product which is why they charge extra for chips that have more IME functionality. Management of remote machines is customer driven. It's the same justification for things like bitlocker to be included in Microsoft's OS. These companies look to see what customers are paying others for and then seek to get in on the action.
The GP was unkind to you. I don't think you deserve to be censored. You provide a very good service. Personally I enjoy a good APK post with a side of LSD. The resulting colours in the sentence structure are amazing.
Since when did you have to be "an experienced electrician" to know that Mylar blocks a device's GPS radio?
Maybe Slashdot should have hired an experienced editor to write the summary.
Going for the funny mod but:
a) That isn't from Slashdot but from TFA and b) The logical statement made isn't exclusive. For instance an English major would quickly pick up on the fact that you failed to read an english sentence properly, but you don't need to be an english major to come up with that conclusion.
Until unlimited data plans become cheap and affordable AND malware ceases to be a vector from online ads
Wow, talk about low on the list of reasons to block adverts. Let's add some: AND battery life isn't affected AND web pages / apps don't take forever to load. AND the device ceases interrupting me to view an advert (video ads are instant grounds for uninstalling apps) AND the ads stop taking up most of the content space AND....
Common people, chime in. I'm sure we can make this thread go on for ever. Forget malware and bandwidth. Ads are a blight on the entire mobile world right now.
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On our side of the pond, most of the diesel is now ULSD.
Oh lol. Talk about picking on the spec that wasn't a health hazard and holding it high above your head. *golf clap* But since you're so proud of it, let's compare. ULSD in the USA contains 15ppm sulphur, introduced in 2006. A commendable effort. On our side of the pond the requirement was ULSD be 10ppm and available as of 2005 and was mandated as a requirement from 2009. No doubt by the time you'll shave off those 33% we'll have banned diesel vehicles.
And to reply to your quote out of order:
Guess what? That's inferior to US spec
You're not even close. Never were. The USA has been a very distinct follower rather than a leader in the west when it comes to fuel standards. Not just in sulphur spec, but also in your much lower cetane (where the EU was 17 years ago), higher ash content (where the EU was 12 years ago), higher water content (this was actually at one time better in the USA), and the GP was right your thick diesel gunk has much more in common with bunker fuel than the higher cut-point EU specs.
where you wind up having to have a catalyst and inject DEF
You see you're conflating two issues. The diesel in the USA is garbage compared to that in the EU, but all of that is actually not relevant to NOx, or PM2.5 emissions which is the battle against diesel. These are a direct result of vehicles in the rest of the world focusing on fuel economy. So while a european car will produce more NOx and more PM2.5 emissions regardless of if you buy your diesel in europe or the USA, your lovely all American soot mobile will blast PM10, CO, and that wonderful global warming inducing CO2 out the tailpipe like it's going out of fashion.
Just like your large CocaCola in the USA is much larger than the large in the EU, so are your vehicle's insatiable thirst for fuel. I'm sure in 5 or 10 years you guys will catch up too, start producing fuel efficient engines, realise NOx is a problem, start peeing in the exhaust pipe to try and control the emissions and then stand there wondering why the EU fought a war against diesel vehicles (my own city has gone from 730000 registered diesel vehicles in 2006 to 120000 in 2016 and we're much better for it).
Join the craze man, being able to breath is like cool and stuff.
Neither do modern diesels.
Errr yeah they do. Catalyst and urea injection reduce emissions, but doesn't remove NOx, made worse by the fact that NOx emissions are a direct side-effect of the efficiency of the engine. There's a reason why many cities are taking the next logical step to ban diesel vehicles rather than impose even tougher emissions which several automakers are showing they are incapable of meeting.
That's not to mention that catalysts and urea injection do nothing for PM2.5 which is another major health concern and that diesel vehicles are almost the sole reason that many cities in the world have PM2.5 levels above the WHO recommended safe threshold.
Back atcha.
Errr ... thanks? I'm going to go with thanks. I'm not sure what you sent my way, but thanks seems like it covers all basis. e.g. Thanks for not having a comeback. Thanks for making this so easy. Thanks for the opportunity to allow me to share my knowledge with others, and for this last one you are most welcome.
Considering the lurking question mark that exists the moment over your head
We already do. When we buy and use EVs we think of that lurking question mark that exists over *your* head (anti-EV fluffernutter's head), and then we laugh at the ridiculousness of your statements.
Gasoline taxes are collected to pay for the infrastructure combustion engines drive on
Gasoline taxes are just collected. They don't even remotely cover the cost of infrastructure maintenance let alone the creation of new infrastructure, and there's no law saying exactly what they are to be spent on or that no other forms of funding for infrastructure exists.
You jest, but that's a universal truth. Everytime someone mentions the price of "gasoline" you know they are paying far less for it than those people talking about the price of "petrol".
At least in the west.
Fast charging is a problem that can be solved with better battery technology.
If that's all you think is holding it back then man are you in for a surprise if you ever research this.
Most electricity is generated from fossil fuels
Most electricity from fossil fuels does not pump massive amounts of NOx in the very centre of densely populated spaces. This isn't a CO2 emissions argument, he directly called out healthcare, something spectacularly bad about diesel emissions made even worse by the location of those emissions.
But thanks for playing.
These connections to telemetry.mozilla.org
Oh fuck. Why didn't you just say you ticked the wrong box during the setup. Either that or you were running the pre-channel setup. Firefox does NOT DO THIS BY DEFAULT.
I spectacularly don't care.
Then take yourself out of the discussion and disappear.
Just out of curiosity, who else makes viable electric vehicles?
Audi, BMW, BYD Chevy, Citroen, Fiat, Ford, GM, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes-Benz, Mitsubishi, Peugeot, Renault, Smart, and Volkswagen. And I was being kind only listing the companies producing cars that I have actually seen driving around in the streets, and skipping over the producers I haven't seen in the wild. In the USA Nissan probably makes that list but I've yet to see a Leaf, strange given that it's the 3rd best selling electric car in Germany.
The vast majority of them are budget cars too. Several of my colleagues own Renault Zoes, VW e-Golfs, Opel (GM) Amperas, and we often joke about the one who owns the Fiat 500e. Fiat 500s have a long reputation of breaking down, but there's so little to go wrong in an electric drive train but we always say I'm sure the 500e will be the car to make that happen :-)
Where does Tesla sit in Germany? Year to date in 14th place. The Audi A3 has sold 5 times as many as the Tesla S this year, followed very closely by a Renault Zoe (which I nearly bought myself, but there was a 6 month waiting list on getting charging infrastructure installed in my street and I needed a car right now so I bought a Clio). BMW and VW's electric vehicles are far more popular in Germany than Tesla, and curiously so is the Kia Soul.
about just about every model? Apple doesn't single-source-source modem chips; as a result, they get minor but measurable differences in performance between manufacturers. Shocking, really.
Not just every model from Apple. The international markets differ. Major handset vendors provide a variety of different models for various companies. Samsung do that too: several models for US carriers, one for South Korea, one for Japan, one for China, and one for Rest of The World. All these phones vary to some extent in the design of their RF components.
It's the nature of the beast. Hell anyone remember the tri-band mobile phones? The ones you had to own if you wanted your international phone to work in the USA? Remember the big downside there being the ability to "roam" in the USA came at the expense of being able to roam in your own country side due to performance issues.
What's harsh about space other than it being relatively cold?
That is much like saying what's harsh about the inside of the sun other than it being relatively hot. Or what's harsh about the surface of venus other than it rains sulphuric acid.
Electronics lasting 30+ years at only a fraction of a temperature above absolute zero, a point where molecules themselves stop moving completely is amazing. Physical stress isn't the only killer of equipment. The amazing part isn't the programming but those 50s and 60s era electronics still ticking along. I don't have anything from the 50s or 60s anymore that I haven't had to repair. Even back then electronics used chemically reactive components capable of drying out or physically changing, and I'm sure none of it would do so well submerged in liquid nitrogen either.
That just reminded me something. Liquid nitrogen is very effective at converting heat. Electronics in space typically undergo immense stress as there's no convection possible. They gradually cool to incredibly cold temperatures and then when they fire up have to rely on only radiation to dissipate heat. It's counter intuitive but if your simple design has a heatsink to run here on 25C earth then it will instantly overheat in the -270C space. milliwatts cause stress.
Yes it does. Firefox with default settings executes browser.search.geoip without asking.
And? Next you're going to complain that it renders to your graphic card without permission? Firefox is doing an API lookup here, nothing more. If you're worried about your WiFi being tied to your location, guess what, that information either is or isn't already out there. That's kind of how it works. Either you're in the phonebook Firefox is reading or you're not.
I for one would never use a browser that askes me if I'm sure it should do every tiny internal function that it is capable of. No one would.
Firefox should offer the user a simple blunt lever to exhaustively control all of the calling home shit.
It does. You see Firefox doesn't call home. It just lookups your location from an existing database and then stores it locally in the browser. Any time some site requests to use that information it asks you. To tie that back to the above, should Firefox ask your permission before it accesses your RAM, before it caches an image, or updates your profile?
Nothing is leaking out. Nothing is phoning home. And you spectacularly missed my point about freaking out over something you seem unwilling to invest your time in understanding.
Carrying a copy of my directive around can be useful.
Indeed it would be. That's my point. Go find out what the requirements are and how to *best* achieve them. Someone else carrying your form and you tattooing their number on your chest won't get you very far.
This is one of the things that is often missed about the power outages in SA. One side is shouting OMG IT WAS TEH RENUABLS! while the other side is shouting OMG IT WAS THE TRANSMISSION TOWER THAT WAS KNOCKED OVER!
The reality as always is in the middle. Yes a large transmission tower was knocked over, but the renewable kept generating and were happily powering a large portion of the state, or at least they would have if it weren't for a massive loss of synchronisation tripping offline wind farms, gas turbines, and the inter-connectors to Victoria.
This battery won't power 30000 homes when the state goes dark. What it will do is prevent a small power outage escalating into a large one while capacity is still available.
Personally I only ever hire armchair engineers. Real engineers are useless for a comedy show.
Flip that question on it's head: Would you divert a bought and paid for product from your customer to some other customer knowing full well the result would incur significant financial penalties while at the same time doing nothing of value as this is designed to resolve an intermittent stability problem rather than Puerto Rico's lack of electricity problem?
After installing an outgoing firewall on my laptop I was amazed to see that Firefox was continuously sending updates about the wifi networks I was connected to to a maps.google.com/something address.
I was quite dissapointed, and switched to Waterfox for a while.
Why were you disappointed? How else do you think Geolocation features in a modern browser on the modern internet is supposed to work? If you want to drop the evil conspiracy then here's some information:
What, why and how: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/...
Google's specific policy of how it handles Mozilla's requests: https://www.google.com/privacy...
Of course this API request is for Mozilla to get the current location from Google, so it sends your connected WiFi spot and Google replies with where you are. Nothing too exciting since all it's doing is getting the information from Google. It doesn't hand anything out without your permission (and neither does Chrome). That can all be managed under Settings > Permissions > Location.
Finally if you're truly paranoid, head to about:config and set geo.enabled = false.
The worst thing we ever did was give data to those people who are unwilling to take the time to understand it. With the curiosity of what is being sent where you should also add the curiosity of why, how and for what reason. Then you may actually simply turn the relevant setting off instead of panic switching to a whole different product for the wrong reasons.
So how long is Google, (an advertising company whose browser is a core part of its advertising strategy), going to keep funding a company whose stated aim is to "keep the internet open and a place where you aren't in the thrall of tech giants"?
Until they actually are a threat? I mean capturing the Firefox search market while at the same time being at no risk due to it's crappy market share sounds like a standard cost of business.
log is a verb. I get minutely logs and they get noted in a daily log file. I'm doing just fine, but thanks for caring.
You assume too much.
Nope. I assume the bare minimum, and the bare minimum is not to delay emergency procedures even one moment. It's irrelevant if your mom is carrying the binder with her at all times. Verbal agreements don't cut it. Transmitting proof takes time. If you have any hope of not being resuscitated before legally valid evidence is transmitted then you will file your request with the local hospital / government register. There's a reason these things exist.
Yikes, a phone book would cost millions!
You have been modded funny, but it's actually quite interesting. At what point did we freak out about someone knowing our name, address and phone number? This used to be a public record.
but I see no good reason for including this in laptops.
Is that because you think the only equipment which needs managing is servers? Hell as someone who has a mother with a computer I'm personally hoping they'll introduce a HCF instruction that can be triggered remotely.
Ok facetiousness aside, IME is a "feature" based product which is why they charge extra for chips that have more IME functionality. Management of remote machines is customer driven. It's the same justification for things like bitlocker to be included in Microsoft's OS. These companies look to see what customers are paying others for and then seek to get in on the action.
The GP was unkind to you. I don't think you deserve to be censored. You provide a very good service. Personally I enjoy a good APK post with a side of LSD. The resulting colours in the sentence structure are amazing.
Since when did you have to be "an experienced electrician" to know that Mylar blocks a device's GPS radio?
Maybe Slashdot should have hired an experienced editor to write the summary.
Going for the funny mod but:
a) That isn't from Slashdot but from TFA and
b) The logical statement made isn't exclusive. For instance an English major would quickly pick up on the fact that you failed to read an english sentence properly, but you don't need to be an english major to come up with that conclusion.
Until unlimited data plans become cheap and affordable AND malware ceases to be a vector from online ads
Wow, talk about low on the list of reasons to block adverts. Let's add some: ....
AND battery life isn't affected
AND web pages / apps don't take forever to load.
AND the device ceases interrupting me to view an advert (video ads are instant grounds for uninstalling apps)
AND the ads stop taking up most of the content space
AND
Common people, chime in. I'm sure we can make this thread go on for ever. Forget malware and bandwidth. Ads are a blight on the entire mobile world right now.